#But I'm not agender or non binary either cause I'm

[unmotivatedartistry]

Gender is so confusing... why am I supposed to know what I am?? Does anyone truly know what they are?? Like?? Just. How does anyone label themselves confidently??

[unnamedly]

MY HEADCANONS FOR TDAC (main cast) CHARACTERS LGBTQ+ WISE cause although I don't find it important per se it still effects the way I look at the characters.

Going in alphabetical order:

Bubble- I don't necessarily see them as anything? If that makes sense. Like just unlabeled on everything, but not even calling themself 'unlabeled'. Bubble is Bubble.

Caine- AROACE. THERE NO WAY BRO ISN'T. My headcanon started immediately when I saw his face with the Moon. The absolute look of fear. That is an ace man if I've ever seen one. "Let's get outta here before the moon starts getting frisky!! o.0 " His desire to keep everything as pg as possible?? I dunno, he just gives me ace vibes ong. AND THEN- I just personally can't see him as being romantically into anyone. Like just an example, the scene in the restaurant. Typically in scenes like that in the media it's portrayed as a romantic evening/date. BUT IT WASN'T. It was him with his fucked up dog 😭 COMING BACK AFTER THE NEW EPISODE?? THAT MAN IS AROACE!!!!

Gangle- That is a nonbinary person if I've ever seen one. Demigirl perhaps?? Either way, I'm jealous of the androgyny that mfka has. I'm not too sure sexuality wise, as a multishipper. (I honestly j consume most tadc media so I'm not sure if that counts as being a multishipper lol) I would like to think that they use she/they pronouns and is maybe pansexual. (:

Jax- I was dreading doing bro. I wanna say cis man?? But I can also see agender using he/him. Gender just isn't something that concerns him. His only concern is being a little bitch. LMAO. And sexuality wise?? He's definitely got some queer flair to him. So imo Imma just say queer. :3 Like he knew he was gay to some extent?? And just stuck with the label. ALSO ADDING ON AFTER THE NEW EP, in my opinion he doesn’t have any interest in figuring out gender or sexuality, he only likes being an absolute bitch LMAO. I like him though so I GUESSSSSS it’s okay. Maybe.

Kinger- OKAY. SO. HE'S CISHET. AN ALLY. BUT CISHET. I personally hate when fandoms see a weak and/or smaller man and immediately label him as trans and/or queer. CAUSE BRO, MEN CAN BE MALEWIVES LET THEM BE!!! He's definitely the typa man to be called babygirl. Like imagine Jerma or Paul Dano, a silly cishet man who is in fact babygirl.

Pomni- BISEXUAL WOMAN. Bros got the bi-haircut. That's my only reasoning./hj But seriously?? As a bi person myself leaning toward my gender?? I can genuinely see that for her. It's canon, trust/j

Ragatha- SAPPHIC. THIS WOMAN LOVEEEESSSSSS KISSING OTHER WOMEN!!!! She loves women so much. It’s always a good day to be gay if your Ragatha.

Zooble- Non-binary. (Duh lol) But I’d like to say sexuality wise they lean more towards women. Zooble loves kissing women. Not as much as Ragatha, but hey, it’s the thought that counts.

[apostate00]

What's your opinion on Tankie? I think he's kinda funny and cute

Ohoho THIS is gonna be a long one, strap in!

Well, my opinion on Commie is mostly negative. I HATE this guy, but it's like a passionate hate, the kind that if he were gone, things would feel empty, because he's my favorite guy to despise.

I tend to make him worse in my HCs than he is in the show, even though he's already not great either. I think part of my dislike for him also stems from them fact that he's held up in the fandom as a good guy, when he really isn't, seeing how he's blatantly disrespectful to trans/non-binary people, and would discriminate against minorities if they didn't do as he said.

Nevermind the fact that he's a tyrant and denies the holodomor, which he caused, and also brushed off Nazi's holocaust denial. Also he runs gulags, which are basically just concentration camps & slave labor, but people seem to be mysteriously brushing over that if it's commies who do it. It's a joke then.

People have told me before that the reason they like him is because he's just desperate for a family and community, but personally, that makes me like him less.

How people can ship Leftist Unity is beyond me, when Commie repeatedly disrespects Ancom and later Ansyn. He doesn't give a shit about trans people, misgendering them simply because he can. Also, we all know damn well Commie will kill Ancom the second he doesn't need quem anymore.

I think some of it also stems from me being agender myself. I generally really hate how Ancom/Ansyn's queerness was handled in the show since no one respects quis pronouns ever, and it's more played as a joke than anything.

Fuck even the fandom doesn't respect quis pronouns at times.

People prolly think that it's not that big a deal, but for me who is incredibly protective of the self and their individual identity, disrespecting someone else's to integrate them into your homogeneous view of things is so repulsive and disgusting; it's not nessecarily the act of misgendering, even though that is bad too, but the complete disregard for individuality and identity.

I read Commie as abusive, but I've gathered that some people in the fandom really don't like that lol, I got to add onto my tally of "people online told me to kms" over it. But yes, generally I picture Commie as someone who actively infantilise Ancom and makes quem adopt this uwu uwu personality we see so often, to take away quis teeth, make them submissive, follow him around and make quem less likely to stand up for quemself against him.

There's more of course but, my personal headcanons are besides the point.

I do also use this guy to project my own personal experiences and trauma onto sooo, he has become kind of an amalgamation and caricature of my abusers.

I don't know, basically everything about Commie is so repulsive to me. I can basically only tolerate him with Nazi because they're both tyrannical scum and deserve each other.

I'm pretty big on freedom & individualism so that probably also doesn't help his case in my brain 😭

People can like Commie ofc, you can love and adore characters that are pieces of shit; I'd know so since Ancap is my second favorite character only surpassed by Ancom, but you know, I know what it's like to love a character who is fucking awful.

I guess I just wish people would acknowledge Commie's shitty behaviour more often instead of treating him like this big friendly harmless guy.

But yeah, people can do whatever they want of course, that's just my thoughts about it! :3

[xxskyethetiredemoxx]

Yk what, fuck it. My attraction to women isn't straight, nor is it lesbian or sapphic. My attraction to women is the same as my attraction to any and all other genders: pansexual, or gay.

I am pansexual, but I also like to say I'm gay. Why? Cause I fucking can. My attraction to men is gay in the same way my attraction to women is gay, and in the same way my attraction to non binary people is gay, and my attraction to agender people, and my attraction to multi gender people, and my attraction to literally all genders.

The way my attraction works, or what my relationship with someone is, doesn't depend on their gender, either generally or in relation to my own, because their gender doesn't affect my attraction to them. That's my personal experience. Not everyone feels the same, and that's fine. This is just how I experience being pansexual.

My transition hasn't changed the fact that my attraction to whoever I'm attracted to is gay and pan, and the gender of the person I'm attracted to doesn't change that, because gender isn't important in how I define my relationships and attraction. It's all the same to me. Gay and pan.

[askthehcc]

To the Hcc I was wondering who all is a part of the LGBT+ community?

Cleo: I’m pan and non-binary, pretty sure Bdubs is aromantic, but he wouldn’t know the word for it.

Impulse: I’m also aro and I’m pretty sure Mumbo is ace.

Cleo: False is Bi, but isn’t really into relationships, at least for now.

Impulse: Again, I’m not certain, but I think Tango might be grey-romantic.

Cleo: That’s a point, I don’t think I’ve ever actually seen him show interest in anyone…

Impulse: Me neither, which is why I think he might be Grey.

Cleo: but not totally Aro?

Impulse: ��� no comment?

Impulse: I’m pretty sure he’s also *somewhere* on the ace spectrum.

Cleo: Don’t just brush over that, Impulse!

Impulse: Let’s see who else… Oh, Zed wouldn’t care what pronouns you use, but he’s not really ever labelled himself, so I guess I’d just go with vaguely gender queer for him… Maybe even agender?

Cleo: What do you know about Tango, Impulse?

Impulse: Anyway, I really should be getting back on shift.

Cleo: Oh my god, does Tango have a crush?

Cleo: Impulse, come back and talk to me!

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Scar: You know, I’ve never really thought about it? I suppose I’d consider myself Pan?

Tango: Hesitation?

Scar: [shrugs]

Scar: I’ve never really been that interested in anyone.

Tango: Apart from that girl in college. Remember in second year?

Scar: [sighs] Yeah… Bonita.

Tango: She didn’t speak English, dude.

Scar: But you did a great job at translating from Blaze!

Tango: And then you asked me to go on a date with you and she slapped you!

Scar: It was your fault for mistranslating! I meant for you to come with us on a date and translating!

Tango: Scar, my man, you asked her for a three–

Scar: I meant as a date with you translating!

—-

Zedaph: You knew exactly what he meant, didn’t you?

Tango: Yeah, of course. I’m fluent in Blaze and Scar. I just didn’t want to spend my entire second year translating for them.

Zedaph: Have I mentioned how much I love you?

Tango: Uh, yeah dude. We had that whole confusion in second year, remem–

Zedaph: I meant platonically!

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Joel: I'm gluten free.

Lizzie: That's not what the G stands for, Joel.

Scott: Yeah, you're not queer because you can't process gluten, Joel.

Joel: Yeah and I'm not proud about it either.

Joel: Bloody hate stupid wheat!

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Lizzie: [Looks around]

Lizzie: Keep this between us, yeah?

Lizzie: Grian came out to me about ten years ago, after we tried kissing with each other when we were like, fourteen.

Lizzie: He kissed me and pulled such a face afterwards and I was so offended, so obviously I kicked right off about it, of course, and then he said that it's had nothing to do with me.

Lizzie: And that's when he told me that he was actually gay.

Lizzie: He seemed really embarrassed about it and I don't think he's ever openly spoke about it since. I don't even know if he's mentioned it to Jimmy.

Lizzie: But I did have this little bracelet making phase and I didn't want him to make him a rainbow bracelet cause it felt too obvious, so I looked up the flag for gay men and made him a blue and white one instead.

Lizzie: He wore it for a good couple years after, too.

Lizzie: To be honest, Scott might know, cause he's pretty brushed up on these things, so he probably recognised it.

Lizzie: But yeah, he won't talk about it and I'm not sure how proud he is exactly, but... you know what?

Lizzie: I'm proud of him.

[eva-does-its-best]

I'm not gonna lie, somewhere along the way I stopped transitioning to be a woman and I started transitioning to be trans. I realized this when another woman called her transition a "mere tramitation" and those words offended me. She also got offended that I was playing with my hrt, like how I have good lvls of estrogen already but I want more so in the future I'll up the dose for fun (in a non damaging manner, don't worry) or how I'm gonna take prog for fun.

Like I get it, to her and a lot of you it is literally just a step towards becoming whatever it is you want to be, and obviously I have no problem with that. I'm not glorifying transition either, I've made posts in the past about how overglorifying it can cause some trans people to feel alienated or to feel not trans enough.

But it doesn't change the fact that those words did hurt me, and that my transition has no goal other than transitioning itself now, it is what makes me happy. I realized that if I had been born female I would transition too, it's clearly not about being a woman anymore, it is about wanting to be trans, to not be cis, to not be 100% binary.

I don't feel like I want to be called non binary because I don't want to be tossed against my will onto that stupid gender trinary oversimplification that a lot of people make. I'd say that I am mostly agender, but not in the sense that I have no gender ever, in the sense that I am a transparent recipient that is empty most of the time but is occasionally filled with gender of all kinds, after all even though I am agender I am still a tgirl and I still love the idea of becoming a butch tgirl, and if I was born with a vagina and tits i'd most likely be a tboy and I'd be having a crysis rn trying to decide if I want top surgery or I wanna be a gnc titful boy, cause I know myself, I know I would literally love both choices, I literally have that same internal debate now about my bottom surgery.

[marshberri]

wearing binders and boxers but it's not cause i'm transmasc. i don't wanna be seen as either a man or a woman, but binders/boxers are mostly associated with transmasc ppl!! and aaaagh it's hard to find my fellow non-binary, esp agender friends who get that struggle

and also, lots of mens' clothes are called gender neutral by people. but that's not true!!! i don't wanna wear that stuff, cause i don't want ppl to assume i'm transmasc!! ARRRHHHHHH

[canonically47]

Any aro/ace/aroace hcs in mlp? Wanna know cause I'm ace myself and I wanna indulge myself with my fav characters as either ace/aro/aroace :3!

i think i hc the entirety of the mane 6/7 as aspec, but i never really thought about it tbh.. lets see what queer hcs i can pull out now:

twilight: aromantic bisexual, non-binary she/he/they

rainbow dash: aceflux lesbian, bigender she/he

applejack: asexual lesbian, funky gender but not sure if trans or on the nb spec, she/her

rarity: demiromantic lesbian, trans mtf she/her

fluttershy: asexual sapphic, transfem and girlflux, they/she

pinkie pie: aroaceflux & pan, agender she/ze/they + so many neos and xenos as well as other genders...

sunset shimmer: aroflux asexual lesbian, non-binary she/he/xe

i generally dont hang around the MLP/EQG fandom so much so this is all i got i apologize 😞💔

[rebelband]

what are your specific queer headcanons for scc?

hmm? if I'm understanding correctly, for me it goes as follows:

swt is agender and aroace (triple A battery, if you will), uses (it/they) & masculine address. they never really gave identity much thought in its youth given that the people around them did not really dabble much in expression or spark any reason to question itself while growing up.

similarly, there was no need to actually think about attraction given its interaction with others — this remains true as it's typically focused on work or planning. doesn't think much about clothes either apart from practicality, but it enjoys what it enjoys, y'know?

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cpn is a demiguy (masc/non-binary) hatguy and demiace. (he/they/it). expression is... very important for him, given that they place a lot of emphasis on appearances, regardless of sincerity. his father (also transmasc) tried not to draw any strict lines concerning gender, so cpn's identity horrors started a little later in his childhood. there was a year or two where they considered themself more feminine & a lesbian as well (mostly due to a FWB roommate they had), but mid-teens is when he decided to to all-in with experimentation and self-discovery. whole shebang. really awful body dysphoria for a while before this.

his identity is tied closely with his aspecness too as cpn, well. dated and played the field. got asked out, asked out others to try and fit in (or see if it'd fix what was "broken" about his wiring) — things like that, but never really understanding or being thought of by others as shallow/disinterested for failing to pick up on cues among other things (as it's somewhat repulsed by touch). had occasional fluttery feelings, but it was only when he was with his bandmates when it really thought "oh I'm Fucked" and denied his feelings or ignored them in favor of the friendship.

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cks is unlabeled (nonbinary (a CD player (a car))) and aropan; (they/hy/mirror prns). when faced with "no boys allowed!" they'd say, "but I'm not a boy." and when faced with "no girls allowed!" they'd say, "but I'm not a girl." it's not something they really think about or question as hy doesn't really care much about it. their initial parents fussed a lot about it among other things, and they disliked how confusing it all was. why can't hy wear this or have that? its mama and later papa though didn't seem to impress upon them that it matters, and their own siblings by then had their own fun or thoughts about identity—but it still wasn't really anything they considered much about. they're k_k! that is that.

as far as attraction goes, they've had a few fleeting moments, but hy doesn't act on it and usually just let it go away on its own, it at all. they're a contact heavy person in the first place so hy was content with just casually hanging out with people. not the sort to let it show or care much it they felt the hots, so to speak, unless they were in a relationship of some kind.

[ & ] they all have their own aro/ace rings respectively 'cause cpn made 'em. they're usually not worn or are worn underneath gloves since they get in the way of work.

[xxx-ang3l-w1th-a-sh0tgun-xxx]

What’s your gender?

it's kinda confusing tbh but I'd definitely consider myself to be transgender. i guess i come under the non binary umbrella as I don't completely identify as either male or female.

i loosely use quite a lot of labels like transmasc, maverique and agender just cause i personally feel a connection to those labels but I'm not 100% sure what i am exactly and honestly, I'm okay with not being completely sure

i use he/they pronouns tho :)

also I'm AFAB (assigned female at birth) if that's what you're wondering

[weirdestcornelius]

Idk about Orange, but I know for sure Jay's pronouns got changed to he/they instead of just they bc people kept misgendering them. True, people's pronouns can and do change sometimes! But I'm pretty sure there's a screenshot floating around that has KC saying Jay should use he bc "everyone does it anyway" -.-

Orange's pronouns were originally they/them, as you can see on their old ref. The same was true for Party, who was originally a they/them enby as well. They were both changed to "non binary man/guy" though, and I'm pretty sure the reasoning behind Orange's pronouns being changed were because a lot of people were using he/him without knowing their actual pronouns. I'm not sure why Party's were changed, but it may have been because Kc is really trying to distinct them from his preboot version.

The thing with Orange bothers me because they're another example of non binary people being pushed into the binary. Not to say that there's not non-binary people who use gendered pronouns or nouns, I'm one of them! But any character we have that goes by they/them ends up being misgendered, and instead of Kc correcting these people squeak just. Goes along with it???

I can't speak for why Kc just goes along with whatever the fans are calling buns' characters, but if I had characters that were being pushed into the binary by my "fans" I would tell them to knock it off and use the CORRECT pronouns! Off binary people exist, I was a they/them only enby for almost THREE YEARS, and I experienced enbyphobia from a lot people around me. This is what it looks like, that's what I can tell you. There were people trying to cram me into the binary almost every day, just like how the fandom likes to treat enbies. Hell, I just saw someone misgender Reese, it's something that's still happening. This whole "okay now you can use he/him for these characters since you wanted to" reminds me of how one of my ex friends reacted to me saying I used any pronouns; "Great, that means I can finally use she/her on you lol!". Which was just because I wore feminine clothes at the time. See where I'm going with this?

Jay is a great example of this. There was a page in v1 that misgendered them and it was never fixed or brought up! Despite Doom being agender, they're still crammed into the "basically cis" box by the fandom just because they present masculine! Depending on how the character looks the fandom treats them like a woman or a man, and Kc just GIVES INTO IT. You do not owe your fans your characters identities, no matter how big or small of a creator you are. This is mainly a critique of the fandom, yes, but I'm also pissed that Kc plays into the enbyphobia. If I were her I'd just passive aggressively correct people who already know the characters pronouns and are STILL misgendering them until they got the damn message.

I like some of the gender rep we have, yes. Like Funfetti being genderqueer, or Doom being agender but still using "gendered" pronouns while not identifying as a man. But at the same time every. Single. They/them enby we have gets shoved into either the "woman" or "man" box and it's so annoying and even infuriating to see. It reminds me of when gym teachers separate everyone into girls/boys even in queer friendly schools and just passive aggressively push the kids standing in the middle to either side depending on what they look like.

This got ranty, I'm so sorry anon. Also please don't start stalking the tags for whoever misgendered Reese, I'm not here to cause white knights to show up in the inboxes of random people

[ieatratsforlunch]

(Current) OC MASTERPOST

Okay so, I'm like really bored so I'm gonna make a masterpost of basic info for my ocs. There's gonna be some serious stuff talked about on here so please understand that :) This one includes Bree, Plug, and Jinkles. I'll later make a masterpost for basic info about their families (the physical build is just notable things for me to remember when drawing/describing them)

Jinkles G Jangle

Allotpun: Jingle Jangle

Species: Mudi Dog

Identity: Transmasc (ftm) Panromantic Demisexual - He/Him pronouns

Mental disabilities/disorders: Separation anxiety (trauma induced), maladaptive daydreaming (trauma induced), Autism, disassociation (anxiety induced), low empathy (trauma and self induced)

Physical disabilities/disorders: Disordered eating (caused by stress; his parents were in the show industry and Jinkles has been told repeatedly that keeping skinny is the only way people will like him. He also just generally forgets to eat as he doesn't feel hunger much anymore)

Physical build: Generally underweight and lanky; 5'11. He has both claws and sharp teeth, claws are not retractable but not insanely sharp either. He does have paw pads. Fur is typically brushed through neatly unless he is visible stressed; the fur on the tan marking on his face and muzzle is shorter than the rest. His cheek fur droops slightly when he is upset/disappointed, whereas his fur visibly spikes if he is stressed/shocked/angry. Teeth are typically bared if he is agitated (normal dog behavior). He has self inflicted scars on his upper legs which are hardly ever visible, as well as small marks on his fingers and knuckles from chewing on them. He has top scars as well

Age: unknown (he is over 20)

Role: Clown and Ringmaster of Sparklecircus

Speech patterns: Typically has more sentence points than usual, never end a sentence with only one !/? Unless he is shocked or upset

Voice: Bubbly moderate masc voice, has a natural playful tune to it (think of Wonder from Wonder Over Yonder)

Harvey U.N Plug

Allotpun: Hardly Unplugged

Species: Fruit/Vampire bat

Identity: Agender and Achillean - He/They/It Pronouns

Mental disabilities/disorders: Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD), depression (trauma induced), generalized anxiety (trauma induced), Pyrophobia (Trauma induced)

Physical disabilities/disorders: overly sensitive hearing and sight, near and far sighted, Strabismus (it is crossed eyed without their glasses). Due to being half vampire, he has the urge to consume the blood of other anthries but not the need to. They are not burned by light, but ARE very sensitive to it and therefore try to only go out a night/stay in dark places if possible.

Physical build: moderately healthy weight, tall (6'2) and stocky. His fangs protrude out of its mouth, whereas the rest of their teeth are also sharpened. Has three freckles on either side of its face. Wings are connected to the underside of his arms, with slits down the side of their sleeves to comfortably keep them there. Unable to fly long distances because of this, it can keep itself in the air for a few minutes at best. Claws are small but very sharp, and are on both their hands and feet. Burn marks are visible on his hands, legs, and parts of his wings, though they are faded.

Age: 29

Role: In charge of all Sparklecare propaganda (internet ads, brochures, commercials, etc)

Speech patterns: more likely to use "-", because most of his sentences usually end in a pause

Voice: raspy, androgynous though slightly masc leaning voice. A tad bit louder than most, though not as loud as Dooms. Sounds demanding

Bree Kein Heartz

Allotpun: Breaking Hearts

Species: Rabbit/Bear hybrid (Rabbit from mothers side, bear from parents side)

Identity: Non-binary sapphic - she/it pronouns

Mental disabilities/disorders: Depression (somewhat trauma induced), low empathy and emotions (trauma induced), social anxiety, OCD, Dermatillomania (anxiety and OCD induced)

Physical disabilities/disorders: Chronic Fatigue (she usually sits during her job, including when it is inspecting bodies. It gets help from other staff members such as Dr. Nya to help move the bodies into the morgue, while she uses a chair with basic wheels to quickly move from one place to another inside the morgue, which has a small main room so it can easily get around. The hallway leading to where the bodies are actually stored long-term is long, but she usually gets staff to help her store them)

Physical build: short and stocky (4'5) with small claws on both its hands and feet. Fur is short, though she has small spiked tufts on her cheeks and long fur on the top of its head that is usually held up during work. Mouth is connected to its nose and is a permanent upside down V. All teeth inside her mouth are extremely sharp and slightly jagged, though aren't visible at all unless she opens her mouth extremely wide. Mouth barely opens when it speaks. Tail is fluffy but very short. Her right ear is maimed at the bottom and has multiple light pink scars across it. Her hands have scars on them, especially around its nails; they will sometimes bleed, as she regularly picks at them (the scars are originally caused by her dermatillomania)

Age: 27

Role: Mortician of Sparklecare

Speech patterns: No capital letters unless it's I/I've or if she is quite literally enraged (ex: "could you perhaps help me move this?")

Voice: quiet, mumbly androgynous voice. Not exactly whispering, but quieter and much calmer than usual. Voice does not get louder unless it is VERY upset

[mangodestroyer]

I have to agree with people when they find the queerbait arguments annoying on the grounds of non-binary erasure. Like, have you looked at the angels and demons? Like, sure, there are some who present very male or very female, but there are also a ton of them who look very androgynous.

Crowley is canonically genderfluid. By default, that makes them not a cis male. They could never be a cis male anyway because angels and demons aren't created with a sex (they have to make themselves have those parts). Also, there have been lots of instances of femme and androgynous Crowley in season one alone. Just cause he's mostly a he, doesn't mean he isn't often a they and a she.

And I agree with agender Aziraphale headcanons. He just doesn't really seem all that into gender, but still goes by he/him pronouns and happens to present more masc. Still, not everything he does would be considered 100% masc.

Relationships between two non-binary characters are still queer. And yeah, I feel the pain of not having them recognized as NB as an NB myself. Sometimes, it feels like every person I tell my identity to insists on telling me to just "accept my femininity." They either act like I'm in denial over my gender identity, or forget I present that way and go back to seeing me as female because it's obvious I was born as one. So, yes. I understand the pain.

[themaveriqueagenda]

I've noticed that in a lot of cases where there needs to be a nonbinary equivalent to something, neutral is used to represent that. Transmasc, transfem, transneu, or min-, fin-, nin- (neutral) for example.

Neutral doesn't exactly include androgynous, agender, and of course maverique people (plus more). Though the first 2 usually get their own equivalents, like transandrogynous, lin-, lia-, and agin-, agia-, etc. Also I think there are quite a few androgynous/genderless specific terms. Occasionally I will also see aporine, outherine, or xenine, but rarely ever maverinity/maverique.

I suppose more aporine, outherine, xenine, maverique, etc. terms could be coined, but I also think it would be nice to have a overarching nonbinary equivalent for these kind of terms. One that would include androgynous, genderless, neutral, aporine, outherine, maverique, xenine, partially masc/fem, and lots more (as broad as the nonbinary label basically), all in one that isn't the word neutral.

(also I just realized I don't know what the maverique equivalent of these words are. maverine maybe?? just came up with it on the spot)

It can't just be nin, because that's already taken. Perhaps nonbin? I'm not good at language. But the more I see these terms the more I wish there was just a broad label to begin with, then even if the specific labels haven't been made, they'd still be included. The closest thing now in some cases is just the general, unspecified, -gender label.

Is this thought just entirely unnecessary? I haven't seen other people take issue with it.

Same anon as the one about nonbinary labels. Maybe nbin as another alternative instead of nonbin? (for nonbinary in nature). eh I don't know.

hi!

i don't think it's an unnecessary thought at all. in fact i very much agree. though i've kind of abandoned the quest for general non-binary terms because i want to be visible as my specific gender, but i do think about it a lot.

to be honest, i don't even know that many androgynous or genderless terms either. for genderless, i know "agenrine" and "AGIN" and that's it. all the terms i know for androgynous sound like m/f bigender terms, like "boygirl". of course they can be used for whatever.

"maverine" was indeed suggested as an equivalent for masculine and feminine, along with others which i didn't really like. i guess maverine in nature could be MVIN and the -iaspec (what does that stand for anyway?) could be mviaspec. though honestly i don't personally use -ingender or -iagender terms, so i don't know.

a term that i coined for everything that is not masculine or feminine is "extrine", which could be considered "the non-binary version" of masculine and feminine. in the case of transextrine though, it does kind of sound similar to transsex(ual), which may cause confusion.

i also absolutely could have sworn that i've seen the terms "nonbinarine" and "NONBIN" around but i couldn't find any coining post anywhere.

as for equivalents of man, woman, etc., i wish there was some kind of database collecting all these. if anyone knows if a collection of those can be found somewhere, i need to know. there's obviously going to be overlap between some terms that describe for example outherine and maverine genders, as maverinity is outherine, but there's also going to be overlap between people who will use both the masculine and feminine terms, or whatever.

here are some terms i found or have people seen before:

androgynous: daen (equivalent to man/woman), dae (equivalent to boy/girl)

non-binary: enman or enban (equivalent to man/woman), xent (equivalent to boy/girl), enby (any age)

xenogender: xenan (equivalent to man/woman), xip (equivalent to boy/girl)

i've also seen someone use "ouman", but i'm not sure if it's an outherine equivalent to man/woman or a general non-binary one.

[erigold13261]

How did Carna and Maragold realize they were NB as young children? Also I love how they use fae and they as main pronouns. Especially fae/faer. Unhinged pink robot (affectionate). Also, what would’ve they been like as 1010 bots? I’m curious

Thank you! Glad you like the two using non-standard pronouns as their mains! (You are totally right about Carna being unhinged in an affectionate way lol)

I like the idea that when Neon J made Carna's new body he lessened the effect of the "girl" code that fae had. Same with Dew and the "boy" code that they had.

When Neon made Maragold's body though, he wasn't thinking of that as Purl hadn't brought up the whole gender situation at the time, only to keep Maragold a child.

Either way though, the two were just copying older 1010 at first. Maragold looked up to Purl a lot and decided that they wanted to be nonbinary just like Purl. And for the most part it does actually feel good and nice to Maragold to have they/them pronouns used on them.

Though I will say that talking with Yinu and seeing how she feels like a girl (with a human experience) compared to how Maragold felt like a girl (with a robot experience) was the INITIAL factor in Maragold thinking they aren't a girl.

So their robotic experience does correlate a lot with their gender experience/expression. I do honestly think Maragold might change or add on to their identity as they grow older and actually figure out what they truly feel like. But for now they are sticking with the non-binary label as they feel it best fits them right now.

Carna on the other hand has always been a bit on the weird and reckless side of things. Always getting into trouble with Martha and not conforming in any way shape or form (which caused a lot of problems for some of the other dolls at the time).

I would say that Carna mainly wanted to be different and wanted to mess with people and chose some weird pronouns to use for fun. Only to realize people would actually use them for faer because they were listening to Carna.

It was probably the first real time someone listened to Carna and actually tried to make faer feel comfortable and seen. It was weird but also really nice. Carna kept changing pronouns over and over, like weekly there would be a different set just to see what fae could get away with but also with what would feel right.

Fae really, REALLY did not want to go back to using she/her pronouns. It made faer anxious and feel weird, which fae hated so much. Once fae found fae/faer pronouns though, and used them for a week, fae didn't change them. Which came as a surprise to the people around faer as they were expecting another weekly change, only for these pronouns to have stuck.

I don't think Carna will change faer pronouns for a while, but faer might add more later on. I don't actually have a label for Carna, as I think fae would see the non-binary colors as ugly or something and reject the label just because of that. But fae will probably come around and actually use the non-binary label (maybe agender) when fae gets older.

And for Dew, even with his "boy" code limited, he still felt like he should go by he/him pronouns. He didn't feel like he "earned" a right to use other pronouns since he wasn't around as long as the rest of 1010 were to have grown and figured himself out.

However, once they met up with the Sayu Crew and Club, and saw how the mermaids were still pretty new and all using different kinds of pronouns already made them start to use he/they pronouns and feel better about themself.

Putting the "what if they were 1010s" thought under a read more because I don't have a clear answer and will be rambling a bit

As for them as 1010s? Hmmm, I'm not entirely sure. Because for them to have been 1010's they would have had to not been broken/lost along with the fact they most likely would have had a warbot code mixed into their doll code.

Like Dew is a diving bot mixed with the doll code and the first initial 1010 code. I'd have to think of other warbot classes/jobs that Pink and Orange would have been mixed with to create their 1010 versions, who would also have different names as Neon J would have named them instead of them naming themselves (I like to think the main 5 1010 names were names Neon J wanted to name his children, but he never gave them names at first, he waited for them to ask for names. Which is why Dew was able to name themself).

So yeah, depending on what kind of warbot they got mixed with would change what their personality would be like.

Right now all I can think of is a chef/cook warbot, or maybe a driver warbot (one that the captain would command to drive the ship when they need to step away). There would probably one that worked with torpedos, or a job for just working maintenance on other warbots/engines.

There also warbots that were not even on battleships that Neon could have chosen from. Though usually Neon actually would have taken defective robots to try and fix or just save from being scrapped. Honestly that's probably why 1010 has so many problems was because they were a combination of abused dolls, traumatized soldiers, and defective warbots all mixed together and forced to be musical idols that feed off of attention of others (attention they never had before: the good kind).

I would say that if 1010 came out with all 8 members (White, Blue, Red, Yellow, Green, Purple, Orange, and Pink) then they would still be the kind of flirty K-Pop BOY band that the original 1010 were in the canon game (yes Neon would have changed ALL their genders to male the same way he did to Purl and Haym).

The original 5 1010 would end up like they did later on, but I can't think of what Purple, Orange and Pink would turn out into. I doubt Orange would be as trusting of people, and Pink would definitely be more mean at times....

Actually, now that I think about it, 1010 wouldn't be entirely the same! Because there is a chance that Neon would have changed their roles up! White would still be the leader, but I can see Blue turning into the "older brother" type instead of just the "cool guy" role. Purple probably would have turned into the "cool guy" while Pink would have been the "funny one" and Green turned into a like laid back guy (not the same as cool, but like probably more like a stoner but without the implications of drugs if that makes any sense).

I can also see Pink as just being the "youngest" of the group. Yellow would probably be turned into the "loud one" or like the main dancer/visual of the group while Orange turns into the "innocent" one.

Once I think of what warbots Pink and Orange would have been mixed with I could give a better prediction of how they would have turned out once they gained full sentience as 1010s.

I can give one for Dew though. He was supposed to be the "youngest" one in the group when it was just the 6 1010 together. Him, Haym, and Eloni were supposed to be the more comedic part of 1010, with Zimelu, Dew, and Eloni being the troublesome part of the band. Purl and Rin would always be the more responsible ones of the band but also would help set up jokes or "protect" Haym and Dew from the Zimelu and Eloni's jokes/pranks. (All this based off of the roles they were given and what they were initially supposed to behave like, Haym later on becomes the more jokey/mischievous one as time goes on with the OG 1010).

With this being said, I would say that Dew (or whatever his name would have ended up being), would have turned out a lot less anxious and a lot more social. He'd be more confident in his abilities and actually be more of a sports oriented robot. Especially with swimming and other water-related activities.

He and Purl would not be as close as they are in the OG timeline. He'd be a lot more close with Zimelu and Haym. If anything he'd probably be a bit more of a bully but in a teasey kind of way, not a malicious kind of way (though he would try to get Purl soaked with water a bunch, making Purl kinda hate/resent him the same way they do Rin).

I think Dew/Purple would stick with he/him pronouns and not go into using they/them. He MIGHT use it/its but only online in a text kind of way, he wouldn't want people verbally using it/its pronouns on him. He'd identify as cis.

Also, he and Haru would never become a couple because by the time Haru is made he would be around 25 years old and sea would be 16/17. Instead he'd try to get a surfer girlfriend (or boyfriend honestly) that was his age/a bit older than him.

That's all I have right now honestly. Sorry I couldn't give more insight on Carna and Maragold's 1010 status. I literally never thought of what they would be as 1010s before now lol. Other than like, one drawing I made of Maragold looking like a standard 1010.

[elfdragon12]

You seem both sensible and like you’re actually having fun, which seems to be a rare combination for Transformers fans on this site. Not sure I’ll continue Skybound but you are convincing me to give Beast Wars a chance.

I am trying! I do know that I can be opinionated about certain things, but I do try to give new things a chance and actually enjoy it. I think part of it is realizing when I'm not having fun and either stepping back or focus in on what I do have fun with. Also writing up posts on certain opinions and saving them to drafts to check up on how I'm feeling later rather than publishing them right away.

If you aren't enjoying Skybound, then it's alright to take a step back from it. I personally am because it's the first time I get to follow along a comic TF story from the beginning and I think that its pretty interesting what they're doing with it. I did really enjoy the G1 cartoon and think exploring it as a tragedy/from an adult lens is interesting. I believe that it balances it's more tragic moments with the heartfelt pretty decently. I just want people to actually give it a fair shot rather than brushing it off because it isn't like IDW1.

Also, a trait I've noticed in myself is that, when I realize that something I like isn't as popular as I'd like it to be, I start to ride extra hard for it and, boy howdy! There's a lot in Transformers that the general fandom doesn't pay attention to! But it's part of why Blaster ended up usurping Grimlock as my overall favorite. I think it helps me come off as having fun because I want folks to see there's more to enjoy than just the mainstream.

I do think you should give Beast Wars a shot! It is a legitimately good show, led by a couple of guys who had no real interest in Transformers before they got involved! XD The graphics and rendering are dated because computer animation was a new art form (Veggie Tales, a pioneer in the industry, only started in 1993, 3 years before Beast Wars), but the animation is still generally solid! The character writing is fantastic though! Dinobot gets a lot of talk for good reason, but all the Maximals are complex characters and most of the Predacons are as well (the buttmonkey Predacons not so much, but that's okay). I do think, out of all the TF shows, it embodies being "for all ages" the most as, while it does have lots of silly kid show shenanigans, the overall story is mature enough to be interesting for adults. I mean, how much kids will understand the deeper parts of Dinobot's arc and how he's utilizing the famous Hamlet soliloquy is debatable. I mean, there's a character based on Hannibal Lector! In a show for kids! XD Also, right after the Code of Hero episode, there's the episode about how abled-bodied/neurotypical people railroad those who aren't and speak over them, often only causing their hurt. It's a whammy of an episode (also, while Nightshade is the first non-binary character, Transmutate is the first agender character whose only pronouns in the show are it/its, though part of that is no one ever bothering to find out if Transmutate has any preferences of its own. TFWiki speaks in the general of Transmutate with they/them. Transmutate being female was only introduced in Beast Wars Uprising). Beast Wars is a really good show and I heartily recommend!