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I would say nostalgic and easy to digest, but he probably never even had a childhood. Like... he probably just popped into existence as a fully grown celestial being with a "complex" (by our standards) understanding of the universe. And also, there were no TV shows or movies during the Big Bang.

So... easy to digest when stressed about something?

Ok but why was Crowley watching a kids movie in the cinema in the first place when Hastur talked to him

(Aka Crowley loves action movies, the golden girls and apparently, kids movies)

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Anyone else like the idea of AziCrow as wholesome eldritch horrors?

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Am I wet? Am I on my period? Did I pee my pants?- next on wtf is going on down there.

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It's exactly what I've been looking for my whole life. Their relationship is healthy and has so much chemistry. The only reason things get difficult between them is because the outside world sucks. Not because of stupid dramas between them. Also, it questions convention. So many love stories seem to do the opposite: embrace convention (enforce gender roles, make one party jump through hoops to impress the other, etc).

I honestly can't think of a better love story than crowley and aziraphale. I mean, i cant name one other that's as well written, nuanced, loving, healthy, tragic and comic in equal measure, and all round beautiful as the ineffable love between a book loving angel and his grumpy demon with a "heart of gold" (according to dt)

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Ofc, unlike my other reblog or the og post, I'm not suggesting that the world is always a horrible place, or that those with autism or other conditions/traumas associated with it can't thrive. Just that I'm aware it can play a part in our struggles.

I also acknowledge that the way my autism presents personally is just straight up unpleasant. I'm not so sure that's a systemic issue. It's more of a me issue, in that case. I'm not sure what to do about it at this point. All I know is that I'm somehow finding a way to get by, or even thrive, despite some challenges. I just accept it at this point. I just also wish there wasn't such a high bar to reach when it comes to being "pleasant" as a woman. On the flip side, wouldn't being "cold", logical, and obsessed with "useful" things like math and science be praised in men?

Considering that both Aziraphale and Crowley are celestial beings, does anyone else think they might be extremely neurodivergent compared to other members of their species (of whom already display what would be interpreted as bizarre behaviors to humans)? Like, might they possibly be displaying similar struggles as those who went through asynchronous development?

Because they really just don't seem to vibe with the way things are. Like, at all! Even when they try to "assimilate" in a performative way, to keep the other celestial beings off their backs, they are still regarded as "odd." And I don't mean this in the sense that the angels and demons suspect that they're hiding something (because yes, they also have that going on). I mean that, on a personal level, they don't seem to click with the other angels and demons very well. Even when they do things that are worthy of the highest praise, it seems they still aren't fully welcome in some ways, and it's even implied and SHOWN that they experience abuse from their peers and/or superiors.

In other words, it seems that decentering their world from the expectations of Heaven and Hell is the only option they have. The system just wasn't made for them.

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This.

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Sorry, vent about being on the spectrum and AFAB.

Sorry to hear that. I think you've told me about this before.

And I think I've said this before, too: I'll always be grateful I at least got to have atheists for parents! I don't think a religious upbringing would have worked out for me. Far too many stupid rules and expectations! Also, a lot less freedom to truly explore yourself.

Sadly, we all still have to put up with the side-effects of a lapsing religious, but still very religious, society. It still affects the way lots of non-religious people behave, and it's the reason we still have so much m*sogyny, abl*ism, and other nonsense going around. I hate my country! It's all about "rugged individualism", but you're also required to "conform" to ridiculous societal expectations. We also have to put on a social performance that is taxing for ANYONE to pull off! While also dancing around shit-tests and other delicate dynamics.

Sometimes, you see other AFAB/femme-presenting and/or neurodivergent individuals and just HOPE they can be there for you! Like, how can they too NOT be jaded with the way things are? Whelp, I've been to a couple of therapists who suggested I might just be a lot "sharper" than average and actually pretty great at noticing social dynamics (despite "poor" execution). Because I've met lots of people in a similar boat as me who do not seem to notice at all, or they acknowledge it a little. BUT THEY STILL BUY INTO ALL THIS AND WILL SELL THEIR SOUL TO FIT IN WITH SHALLOW PEOPLE!

In my eyes, this world is full of cults! Overarching, toxic dynamics such as the p*triarch, for instance. Cults are just a consequence of those cults. It actually makes zero sense to hate women or see them as lesser, but it does seem to be easier to accomplish that if you brainwash young children into believing fairy stories about a woman eating an apple and causing all the world's problems as a result. And conveniently, that means women should be servants who suffer and sacrifice for others in order to "repent!"

I wouldn't make it a hobby to care if it didn't affect me so much personally. I'm feeling resentful right now because I started attending a physical academic environment, found something I'm really into, and instantly started getting top scores in my courses. I also starting doing grad-level research in my first year! Now, it seems like people are trying to "put me in my place." It sucks! Overfunctioning and accomplishing SO MUCH in one year! Moving professors who aren't easily impressed (and who happen to be tough graders who hand out lots of work). The vast majority of students are NOT doing this good! I looked around because, gee, it sure does seem people take issue with me being here and don't value what I've done so far at this institution. I'm doing WAAAAAAAY better than I thought I was!

One thing that took me a little too long to consider is that, as a low-masking autistic (can NOT mask to save my own life) and AFAB individual... people probably don't like seeing me rise like this. So they aren't going to make it comfortable for me. They were okay with dismissing/ignoring me and letting me wallow in their shadow. Bored and alone (really hard for me to make friends, even when I'm in an outgoing and bubbly mood). Now I'm getting harder to ignore no matter WHAT I do! Whelp, I'm thankfully someone who's motivated by spite, so I'm not ready to give this up. But I also don't have the social energy to suck up and be a people-pleaser. So I'll keep burying myself in my work and keep to myself (save for a few individuals). I'll be polite when necessary, but I'm not going to put effort into others anymore. It almost feels like I'm getting punished for doing nice things in this environment (and a little outside of it).

The more I get into this whole "adulting" thing, the more I realize I have a lot in common with Aziraphale and Crowley. Specifically Crowley! We love to portray him as suave and charming... and he is! But I think we often forget that he's considered "strange" amongst his own kind, and while he is "crushing" it... he doesn't got this as well as we think he does. I can honestly see these two struggling in other AU settings because... the whole point is that the system isn't doing it for them!

Considering that both Aziraphale and Crowley are celestial beings, does anyone else think they might be extremely neurodivergent compared to other members of their species (of whom already display what would be interpreted as bizarre behaviors to humans)? Like, might they possibly be displaying similar struggles as those who went through asynchronous development?

Because they really just don't seem to vibe with the way things are. Like, at all! Even when they try to "assimilate" in a performative way, to keep the other celestial beings off their backs, they are still regarded as "odd." And I don't mean this in the sense that the angels and demons suspect that they're hiding something (because yes, they also have that going on). I mean that, on a personal level, they don't seem to click with the other angels and demons very well. Even when they do things that are worthy of the highest praise, it seems they still aren't fully welcome in some ways, and it's even implied and SHOWN that they experience abuse from their peers and/or superiors.

In other words, it seems that decentering their world from the expectations of Heaven and Hell is the only option they have. The system just wasn't made for them.

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Considering that both Aziraphale and Crowley are celestial beings, does anyone else think they might be extremely neurodivergent compared to other members of their species (of whom already display what would be interpreted as bizarre behaviors to humans)? Like, might they possibly be displaying similar struggles as those who went through asynchronous development?

Because they really just don't seem to vibe with the way things are. Like, at all! Even when they try to "assimilate" in a performative way, to keep the other celestial beings off their backs, they are still regarded as "odd." And I don't mean this in the sense that the angels and demons suspect that they're hiding something (because yes, they also have that going on). I mean that, on a personal level, they don't seem to click with the other angels and demons very well. Even when they do things that are worthy of the highest praise, it seems they still aren't fully welcome in some ways, and it's even implied and SHOWN that they experience abuse from their peers and/or superiors.

In other words, it seems that decentering their world from the expectations of Heaven and Hell is the only option they have. The system just wasn't made for them.

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I love our fandom

We're like little mice scouring for any little crumb we can find

Thank you Rachel T

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Breakup so bad elons accusing trump of being on the Epstein list

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Everything is Them.

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It takes a village to raise a child and it takes an even stronger village to love and care for its elders as well. ♥️

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when is michael sheen gonna play another cutie patootie. his characters are always so mean and scary, i wanna see more of him having adorable hobbies and wiggling and giggling

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It's okay... I meant to watch the show and read the book back in 2019.

Ended up happening in 2022. For the show. The book still lies neglected on my bookshelf. In mint condition :(

I finally watched Good Omens...

and then I listened to the audiobook... and then I bought the book... and then I found out about the mug... and then I found out there was a musical... guys. why did anyone let me procrastinate about watching this fucking show?? </3

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Right? Idk if my lack of interest in many of these plots is because of my personal experience. I'm ND and AFAB, so no surprise, I've fallen victim to lots of bullying and general mistreatment. I also used to have really low standards regarding relationships and such (and I'm still working on overcoming this and building confidence). I used to think it was normal for people who "loved" me to hold resentment towards me and just be annoyed with/hate a bunch of things about me. Because, you know, "Relationships are messy," and "It means they care!" I'd also hoped that, with certain relatives and classmates who seriously seemed to have issues with me, I could finally "figure it out" and get them to like me one day. Nope!

I still have people in my life who, for whatever reason, decided that we need to be enemies. Idk why, and I don't care anymore. I just think it's weird and unnecessary. Like, we could just have a nice, peaceful work, dorm, school, apartment, etc., environment where everyone just does their thing and vibes, but nope! I guess that's too boring. We need to have conflicts and hierarchies! And hey, Mango's an odd individual who prefers to keep to themselves... let's disturb their peace! It will be so funny! It's not like you can avoid everyone who's like this either. People who have it in them to be this petty are EVERYWHERE! And I've certainly never entertained the idea of dating them. Yuck! I'd rather ignore/avoid them. I'm just grateful I've started having fewer issues with this as I've gotten older.

I'm not saying I dislike all the premises that pertain to enemies-to-lovers. I actually have a couple of story ideas that fall under this category. In one, they start out as enemies because of a very genuine misunderstanding. It's a demon hunter AU, where Crowley happens to be a very misunderstood demon because, well, everyone assumes demons are evil! There is no hate, though. Aziraphale is just fulfilling a duty, and Crowley does whatever he can to protect himself without harming the human (will only do so a little bit as a last resort). Aziraphale does his best to limit cruelty towards demons while slaying them. Knowing Aziraphale, he despises being a part of this in the first place. He'd much prefer living in a world devoid of this conflict, but he also knows he needs to protect other humans from demons. Most of them are an existential threat to humans, after all! So... it just makes sense! He's not going to understand that Crowley is innocent when he first encounters him in this context. Also, Aziraphale's always been "odd" compared to the other demon hunters. The irony is that, while they're supposed to be more virtuous than the demons they slay and the humans they protect, many of them end up having massive egos. They demand unconditional and constant worship from society. They don't view demons as thinking, feeling beings, so they sometimes think it's okay to show them cruelty and humiliation. They love to flaunt how powerful they are and make it known just HOW MUCH they contribute to society. So... perhaps Aziraphale and Crowley relate to each other in some ways.

Yep, it might be cliche. I just adore a misunderstood "enemy" who either isn't, or doesn't want to be an enemy. It seems so befitting for Crowley, too. He has so many half-hearted "evil plans" that aren't really all that evil and end up backfiring on him. So cunning, yet so clumsy. But also, he doesn't give a fuck! Neither does Aziraphale. Their most "violent" fights are probably the equivalent of one tapping the other with a pool noodle, and the other pretending to be dead.

My other idea needs time to develop, tbh. Who knows if it will even end up becoming a story?

I do appreciate how in canon, they were friends-to-"enemies"-to-still-friends-to-lovers. Really, more like friends-to-forbidden-lovers. And, like, while they do struggle with the taboos of what they're doing and the stupid expectations placed upon them, they are very much willing to question the "norms" of their celestial society.

I've never been all that fond of characters who enforce "traditions," "norms," or "rules." The protagonist so obsessed with following along with societal expectations that they become toxic. Or the enemies-to-lovers plots where the two characters act like they hate each other because they're secretly attracted to each other. It gives so many "conquering" vibes. Like, it's supposed to be some male p*wer f*ntasy where the guy ends up "taming" or "managing" the attractive woman with a temper. Or, "She's only worthy of him because even though he's a powerful asshole, she's the only one who can stand up to him!" Sounds... exhausting!

I sometimes wonder if Good Omens is refreshing because it shows a developed, healthy relationship constantly standing strong against the meddling of the outside world. So many people fall victim to peer pressure. So many people end up externalizing their baggage because... the world sucks! And so many of these awful behaviors are reflected through the media we consume. I was in a toxic relationship myself when I first watched GO. Before watching this TV show, I had been normalizing SO many things my partner was doing that, deep down, I KNEW weren't good for me! After seeing how wholesome Azicrow was... I started questioning things a lot more. I thought back to when it seemed my relationship was happy, and when my (now ex) acted like they had so much in common with me, and at the time seemed very compatible. Why couldn't it just stay like that? Why did my ex slowly do a 180 personality-wise? I'd decided, from that point forward, I didn't want to settle for anything that wasn't the cute, wholesome relationship I saw on the screen that day. Hey, maybe it's unrealistic. I've met plenty of people with messy love lives. I don't envy them. Maybe that's just "the norm." But I'm still keeping my standards for what company I keep around very high. I know what I want. And I know that what I don't want just isn't good for me. Thankfully, I have a handful of people in my life who are delightful to be around. It hasn't been easy finding them!

I often think about the fact that Crowley and Aziraphale were basically smitten with each other from day one. Most other shows would, I think, have gone a pretty straightforward "enemies to lovers" route with it, probably having them being directly hostile toward each other for a while before settling into some tense truce that eventually speedruns it's way into a passionate romance. Not Good Omens, though, they're too good for that.

Like, you know, they like each other IMMEDIATELY. On the wall around the Garden of Eden, watching Adam and Eve, freshly fallen courtesy of Crowley, wander off into the world to face the horrors, while they giggle with each other over silly jokes. Even then when, by all rights, they really SHOULD have been hostile to each other they just couldn't bring themselves to be.

Like, URGH I don't know if I'm expressing this properly but they've liked each other since the beginning and they never really bother pretending to be enemies other than the absolute minimum level of lip-service to their respective authority figures and it's just so...I don't know, so REFRESHING, at least for me who's watched/read waaaayyyy too many "enemies to lovers" things that tread over the same old ground.

It's just nice to see people who like each other from the get-go, you know? Without the media in question trying to convince us you can only have chemistry with someone if you start out disliking each other? It's nice.

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Tbf, this is the first time I watched a show and had a REALLY good feeling about them being both queer and having great chemistry/a healthy relationship.

So pre-good omens 2, I wasn't on Tumblr so I didnt really have anyone that I could talk to about the show. So I wrote down all my thoughts about it in various diaries. I found one the other day where I theorized that there would be a ballroom scene, except since I was so used to queerbait shows at that point, if written "knowing tv shows, this is where Crowley and Aziraphale are given underdeveloped female love interests". I'm so glad that last part didn't come true but it is weird that I was right about there being a ball.

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Or even just a kudos! Even when there are already hundreds on the fic.

Every time I get a nice ao3 comment I can feel my brain buzzing with dopamine

You like my fic??? It fills you with joy??? Marry me now