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sasusc · 1 year ago

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I watched the trailer just before bed at like 3:30am... I'm gonna need to watch it again.

But...that music in the trailer makes it sound so hopeful! And if it's supposed to be different than what we saw in TWD--which is like surviving things we lost--couldn't the DD spinoff be about the things we lost surviving...that they could find things they lost? I'm so trying not to believe that Beth is still alive and coming so there's no disappointment if it doesn't happened, but...yo, the folks here make it so easy to believe.

This post, the DD trailer...

And this is only feeding the plot bunnies in my head. Depending on when DD spinoff takes place...which I don't think is too far off from the series finale, Laurent being 11 and all so cute about copying Daryl.... TWD finale is about 13 years from the outbreak. The prison fall, Beth's death is around 1.5 (1 yr, 5 months) years from the outbreak. Laurent would be the right age... Just saying! If my math is correct. 1yr5mo = 17 months plus 9 months for pregnancy = 26 months into the apocalypse. 156 months is 13 years. 156-26= 130 months which is 10.83 years (Laurent's age at year 13)...couple months of traveling to France... Laurent would be 11 years old.

Please, someone take this and write it. Lol, I just don't think I'll do it justice. That theory/idea has been sitting on the back burner since the very beginning when the Laurent character was introduced.

The Daryl Dixon Official Trailer - So Epic!

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@wdway:

Isn't it beautiful? Apparently we're supposed to have a long ten minute preview on AMC plus some time early tomorrow. I can't wait. Also the music in the preview link above is Clarie Lune which means moonlight.

@wdway

I've already watched this preview about four times and I foresee doing another four or five before I go to bed tonight. So beautiful and I'm so excited. Does anyone know what the big, good to see you, was? Was it as @twdmusicboxmyster predicted and simply seeing Daryl Dixon back?

@galadrieljones

Omg it’s so lovely, I love the Claire de Lune in the background. I need to watch it more!!

@wdway

Can't wait to see the long preview tomorrow. Or maybe tonight if someone bootlegs it from SDCC.

@galadrieljones

I’m going to rewatch, and maybe bring a little speculative analysis. Also, super excited about the 10min preview! If there’s a bootleg I may still wait, like if the quality is poor.

@wdway

Totally understand.

@galadrieljones

(Though who am I kidding LOL if it’s in front of my face I’m going to watch it )

I have watched it a bunch now, and it is so sweeping and atmospheric. I can already tell I’m going to really like Clemence Poesy and her performance. The little shot of her watching the train go by with the people screaming inside makes me think we will see her in flashback, and therefore, possibly Daryl as well. What he says about things happening to change you, and how she responds that they were both “broken until the world ended” conjures the past and how it has impacted them both.

It seems like we were somewhat on point, predicting that Daryl will end up at the Abbey where the nuns have taken Laurent into custody. He seems to be regarded as some sort of salvation for humanity.

One major twist will be, I suspect, the reason for why. Is he immune? We’ll know soon. I will say I love the idea of zombie-fighting nuns with their great big arsenal. Lol. They fight when they have to, to defend their flock. If anyone understands the nature and purpose of the Good Shepherd, it will be Trappist nuns.

It was very cute to me how Laurent was copying everything Daryl did. Daryl ran his hand through his hair, then Laurent did, too. Daryl took a sip of water, then Laurent did, too. I already want to adopt Laurent and save him lol.

The enemy faction, I am going to take a stab at it being related to the nationalist group that executed the French teams of scientists, re: the WB coda. If there IS a Davinci Code parallel here, then they would probably be aligned with Opus Dei, who are trying to eliminate proof that Christ’s bloodline lives on as a way of keeping control over the narrative they’ve worshipped for centuries.

My guess is that they want Laurent dead because Laurent may carry inside of him some form of the cure that was developed by the teams, which they executed. Laurent would be the holy grail. This is because if there is a cure, then they will lose control of the narrative, which is probably that the scientists caused the end of the world. Laurent, if he is the product of cure-based research, would prove that they could have saved the world, if they had not been executed.

The revelation that Laurent is immune would cause an uprising against those who killed the people who made him that way. My last bit of wild speculation is that the first season will revolve heavily around the plot with Laurent as a gateway into the research done by the French teams, which would then reveal that there are more people like him, all over the world.

We will also learn at some point soon that not all of the scientists on this project are dead. Of course, the Primrose Team was in the US when the end of the world happened. So was Dr. TB Ellis. Finding them would create more vectors toward the research that took place, which may have produced a cure. Of course, they will have to find these scientists, after they find that Paris is in ruins and that all the scientists in France have been executed. They will have to defeat the nationalist group and escape France back to America. As a plot, it is a bit of an inverse to Dead City.

Rather than rescue the boy from inside the evil organization, we are trying to deliver the boy into a cell that theoretically lies beyond the evil organization. Looking backward to Diverged. Perhaps Carol makes some sort of discovery pertaining to Team Primrose while Daryl is in France, and perhaps she goes after him to tell him what she found, because it’s just that important. That’s pure guesswork though.

I was also thinking, let’s have some more wild speculation on this glorious Friday, because it’s fun: What would make a bunch of nuns believe that a young boy is the savior of humanity? That he is their salvation? Catholics don’t take miracles lightly.

I thought, perhaps they witnessed him die and come back to life, not as a walker, but as the same person he was, only immune. This would have huge implications for TD. Because it could set up what happened with Beth very unexpectedly for Daryl.

Let’s say the nuns assure Daryl of what they saw. Maybe Daryl is skeptical, because it seems like he might be. We know he’s perhaps stopped believing in God at some point, according to what he said to Pope in season 11. And so Daryl is skeptical but he goes along with it because he trusts Isabelle and the nuns and he is taken with Laurent and he is chivalrous, so of course he will help them. But then say Daryl discovers that it’s not God, it’s science that cured Laurent and brought him back from the dead. Of course thematically that’s a whole theme: science vs. God, where is the line, etc.

He discovers the research at the laboratory, whcih lead to Laurent’s immunity, and he discovers that this research had been taking place in multiple sub-locations around the world, or even just in a couple of other places, one of them being Grady in Atlanta. Watching him put two and two together there would be extremely exciting and emotional. It would set things up nicely for season 2, which would revolve around escaping France and getting back to the USA to find these scientists and figure out what the hell is going on.

@wdway

Love this. I think your spot on very close to what we'll see. I have more thoughts, I will share those later tonight.

@galadrieljones

I’m going to add one more thing, which is that if this is anywhere near the truth, it could be possible that Beth was recaptured by the CRM after “dying.” Whether she’s still in their custody, I don’t know, but the Snow-White parallels suggest she could be. Just a thought.

I also wanted to share just that I’m also thinking that it is possible he stowed away on some sort of freight ship and that’s how he got marooned. In the trailer, he’s fighting a guy in front of a sign that says, “Muster Station,” which is defined as “the place on a ship where passengers should assemble in the event of an emergency.” There are also multiple freight containers in the background after he jumps ship. So, seems like maybe, yeah, he was chasing something else entirely. I wonder what it was. Perhaps to do with Rick, but this will be the digression that leads him to his happy ending.

Also in the shot where he’s jumping ship, it looks like there are contrails, or vapor trails in the sky, like the kind left behind by aircraft. That could ofc be an illusion idk.

@wdway

Okay I just popped in and you need to go over to the regular safe zone group page and see what Domenica posted about her SDCC workday. She got a selfie with Greg N. She also said something that sounded suspicious to me of course she gushed about being a Bethyler and he said something to the fact that, well then, you're going to love the Daryl Dixon's, (I'm paraphrasing) spin-off something to that effect. Very open to interpretation.

@galadrieljones

Love this insight! Greg said, “Well then you should like the cool stuff that happens in the Daryl series.” !!

Ofc could mean a lot lol. BUT. She said she was crossing her fingers for a dream sequence which means even she, who isn’t TD, thought this could mean a Beth appearance.

Also isn’t Greg the one who spilled the beans about Grady being exploded and them all being dead a long while back? I think it was. Hmmm.

@wdway

Yes, that was Greg.

@wdway

What I actually came on is to ask you if there was a Fear clip floating around?

@galadrieljones

I haven’t seen anything, but I’ve been super distracted by the Daryl trailer. I’ll check around.

The reactions to Troy coming back are priceless lol

Plenty of ppl claiming we saw him as a walker, which, no. Also who would have thought that fans of a show about people coming back from the dead would be this incredulous about characters coming back from the dead

Maybe a test run for Beth. But ofc everyone would be stoked about Beth’s return except Carylers who will rightly be crying.

Fear setting the groundwork for plenty more fun resurrections that for sure.

Also it looks like there is no trailer for Fear 8b. One will not be released until closer to October…? Did they make some last minute changes????

I can’t really see any other reason? Unless they just couldn’t be bothered but that seems unlikely. Maybe they filmed some new stuff and don’t have what they want for the trailer yet?

@twdmusicboxmystery:

So, if there wasn’t a Fear trailer, what are these in reaction to? Was an announcement made about Troy?

@twdmusicboxmystery

Okay, I'm caught up. Finished watching DC and have the Daryl trailer playing on repeat as I type this, lol. Love the trailer! It’s great. I have thoughts on...everything. But I'll probably forget half of them. I'll leave DC for now, since you haven't finished it. But I think it has some very interesting implications, especially for the New York symbolism. And I may have some thoughts on a template they're using. Including how some of the Rick/Negan symbolism we saw during AOW might end up being fulfilled. I know I’m stating the obvious here, but they're definitely setting things up with these spinoffs.

As for the Daryl trailer, just like both of you, I need to rewatch a hundred times to get all my thoughts straight. But just a few first observations. Did we all notice that in this trailer, the captions say, I want HIM to know that I tried. So, the captions were wrong on the ones posted on SM? Also, people were wrong about the recorder. Or at least this trailer makes it look like they are. When he speaks, it looks like he's broadcasting, and people can hear him. Of course, we have to consider that the trailers can be spliced together in deceptive ways. So, maybe that one is still a question mark.

A note on how he interacts with Isabel. We all knew there wouldn't be romance between her and Daryl, but this is still worth noting. To me, the trailer proves the lack of romance. He interacts with her much in the way he would with Aaron or Carol. It's genuine and congenial--I'm sure they'll end up being close friends--but there's nothing tender or remotely romantic betwen them from what we see here. One of my favorite moments in the trailer is when she says the thing about Laurent reviving humanity, and he just tilts his head to one side. He manages to emote SO much skepticism in the way only Daryl can, lol. It practically screams "faith ain't done shit for us."

Which segues nicely into my next point. As you were saying above, Tarah, Laurent is clearly the Christ figure in this part of the story. Daryl's interaction with him (the hug) is far more tender than anything with Isabel. And obviously it's fatherly rather than romantic, but I can still see that Laurent and Beth will be parallels here, in the way that Daryl protects and cares for them.

It would be amazing if wherever he is taking Laurent, Beth is there, and that's how he first sees her. *sigh * cue a billion head canons* I agree with all you both said above. Looks so cute and epic and amazing. Love the music. Love the sweeping shots. Love the haunting little girl walker in the garden.

Love cemetery with crosses across the horizon. Everything looks freakin' amazing!

@wdway

I was wanting to show the tape recorder, it's incorrect this is Daryl talking about the Commonwealth, it's in America, not, It's an America, so sometimes these aren't perfect.

@twdmusicboxmystery, in this preview it does use the abbreviation 'em for them.

@twdmusicboxmystery

The one on Twitter says him. So they’re all different, I guess.

@wdway

That's why I say that we can't totally rely on what is written, that it could be a mistake by the person interpreting it. I will say what I watched was actually on AMC+. Right now they have all three previews available, the very short one with the overturned boat, the long 2 minute preview and the new one minute preview that was shown today. I will say I checked it out also in the longer preview when it first showed up on AMC+ and it also says, 'em.

Even in France we have X's. I thought this was a great shot too of the morning star he's carrying.

What I want to point out here is the hat. Remember the hat in Daryl's apartment an AZ. Hanging on the hook. We saw it when Carol went into Daryl's apartment with Dog in s10e21 Diverged.

I love the Beth floor. Black and white diamonds.

It's pretty bad when you’re truly hoping that the series live up to the promotional spots for it.

@wdway

Guys I loved everything that you wrote above describing this preview. Just a few thoughts about the previous in general. I'm really bummed that we didn't see one for fear. And I'm right there with you guys and saying how are people talking about the Fear preview when we can't view it. Maybe it was only for the people who attended SDCC.

Which doesn't make a lot of sense since you want to promote to a large audience and ny SDCC standards this year is very small because of all the strikes. If in fact Troy is in the preview and there's no reason why we should doubt it at this point that makes me even more excited about the teaser radios scene. Because what was the point of not clearly showing him when you announce hours later he was going to be in part 2. I feel more justified in my feeling that it was a tease for TD with that blonde hair.

@wdway

@galadrieljones

I love all your observations, @wdway. Especially the black and white floor. I can’t tell, but I thought maybe that Daryl had made a recording, then lost it, then it was found by the organization. To me, the thing they show looks more like tape player than a radio.

There also may be a theme beginning with recordings, imprints, etc. We know the French scientist watched a recording of Jenner before she was shot. We think that Daryl will discover something shocking via a recording as well. Computer hard drives, memory. Memory in general. I think and I hope this theme continues to vibrate under the surface of this story.

Yeah I saw the announcement about Troy via a secondary source. It’s a trustworthy account on twitter, but I don’t know where they got that info.

There really was very little information on Fear. Very odd if you ask me.

If they’re delaying the trailer until October, that would mean we’ll be well into Daryl’s spin-off by then. Maybe that’s why. Idk, maybe they made some sort of choice or change in terms of how the information in Daryl’s spin-off will impact Fear.

I do think Troy is returning, but I don’t understand what is with all the weird deflection and lack of information from tptb at this juncture. Why wouldn’t they make a formal announcement?

The rumor has been circulating for months, honestly. Just weird. Anyway.

@wdway

I believe it was in the article though that mentioned Laurent being 11.

@galadrieljones

That seems right! He seems like a cute lil 11yo

Still trying to figure out what the major surprises were supposed to be today though. If it wasn’t Troy, then what was it? What did we learn?? Maybe it’s just because we pay super close attention but other than the DD trailer which was amazing, there was nothing here we didn’t know, and even the DD trailer, while beautiful, was fairly expected. It didn’t contain any bombshells. I don’t even recall them mentioning Melissa McBride joining for season 2…?

@wdway

Them not mentioning MMB is going to be a real thorn in the carylers sides. They are so convinced that they're part of the fandom is going to be the difference between Daryl spinoff succeeding or being canceled. In their minds no one wants to see Daryl in France. The only way to save it is to let everyone know that Carol will be joining (The Carol&Daryl) show to save Daryl in s2.

@wdway

@galadrieljones

Well then LOL. I’m glad they didn’t mention Melissa. Again though…it’s weird! The information is out there. They must know.

@wdway

I left you a link, it's a very short article about what was discussed today in regard to part to a Fear. In this one it says that it was announced that it was Troy in the radio scene at the end of part 1. Then again there's some mistakes in this one also. They said that Fear Part 2 will begin the same night as Daryl's final episode on October the 22nd. Well apparently, these people cannot count 6 Sundays. Daryl's scheduled to end his the week before and then Fear Part 2 begins the 22nd.

@galadrieljones

Weird. Idk I think there’s got to be some confusion with what’s going on with Fear. The journalists are doing their best.

Or maybe it’s perfectly clear and just being poorly communicated idk.

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