#bethyl theories

[s-d23]

NR sings on DD season 2

This is going to interesting. Thoughts?

[twdmusicboxmystery]

Daryl Gonna Sing!!! 😱😱😱 AAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

[paledarklight]

HE HAS A GUITAR GUYS

@gneebee

@twdmusicboxmystery

[bethgreeneprevails]

GUYS HOLY SHIT IDK HOW I SAW THIS BUT LOOK:

In this scene of DD episode 6:

We get a call back to “Still” I don’t want to spoil anything for anyone but it’s not really a major spoiler. They are at The Nest having dinner and Daryl says cheers to everyone in French at the scene pictured above. He then specifically cheers to Isabelle on the side which is a call back to “Still” when Beth and Daryl cheers in the moonshine shack. The cups even look the same as the ones in “Still” (shocking).

BUT LOOK WHAT IS RIGHT ABOVE DARYLS HEAD ON THE COLUMN:

ITS A CODA

THE MUSICAL SYMBOL AND NAME OF BETHS “final episode”.

This is all I needed to see before this season comes to an end. She’s coming back. When? I have no idea. But girlie is coming back.

[bookqueenrules]

By the end of season 2 and into season 3 the shift really began from the comics.  Gimple decided that Glen, Rick, Daryl, and Ezikel  were going to be his “male leads” and Maggie, Carol, Michonne, and Beth were his females. ..55555555555555555555555

I read a post about there being four queens on TWD.  I would love to give credit, but I can’t remember where I read it. I can’t remember who they said belonged to each suit, but my observations are as follows:

Maggie and Glen are the King and Queen of Spades. Maggie  is the farmer and Glen was the “supplier” as the run expert. Maggie reigns  over the Hilltop farming community. Glen rules with her in spirit.  Remember his big portrait over the fireplace at Hilltop?  Maggie’s spin-off story still revolves around his death. 

Rick and Michonne are the King and Queen of Clubs. The katana and machete are both types of clubs they wield as warriors.  They reign over Alexandria, the “country club” like community.

Carol and Ezikeil are the King and Queen of Hearts.  They reign over “utopian” or fairy tale-like “kingdoms”. It is no mistake that they take over the Commonwealth to rule together by the end of the flagship show. Carol has learned to temper her heart because of how deeply she loves and the lengths she will go to for those she loves.  Ezekiel is her balance.  

By the end of season 3, the stage was set.  By the time the prison fell in season four, the foreshadowing began. 

Daryl and Beth are the King and Queen of Diamonds.  Like diamonds are found beneath the earth, Daryl and Beth reign in underworld and outer world type spaces. Daryl is never a permanent resident in any of the other kingdoms because he doesn't really belong there. Beth is the “shine bright like a diamond” type of diamond and Daryl is the “diamond in the rough”. Their story was suspended in a funeral home(gateway to the underworld).  I have discussed the underworld/Grady connection here. Beth was “lost” in Grady which is a type of “underworld”. When they are finally reunited, I believe it will be in another “underworld” type space. 

By the end of season 3, the stage was set.  By the time the prison fell in season four, the foreshadowing began. 

Look at the groups who end up to together: 

As frustrated as I am with how the spin-off is dragging Daryl’s story and his eventual reunion with Beth, ALL of the writing and foreshadowing to this point still indicates that this is the story they are telling.

Rick and Michonne-They bond over a “son” foreshadowing they would be a couple and have a son together.  

Carol ends up with Tyreese who is a stand-in for Ezkiel who was not present in the prison storyline but soon would be on the show. The children they “lost” represent the loss of Henry which is an obstacle the couple must overcome. 

Maggie and Glen- They are separated and desperately try to find each other.  This foreshadows them being separated by Glen’s death.

Daryl and Beth- This couple is the most volatile of the pairings but also the most transformative for both of them. Their story was suspended in time due to Beth’s capture and “death”.  It foreshadows that when Beth is “resurrected” from the underworld, they will finish their story where it was left off and get their happy ending by staying together.

As frustrated as I am with how the spin-off is dragging Daryl’s story and his eventual reunion with Beth, ALL of the writing and foreshadowing to this point still indicates that this is the story they are telling.

After 12 years, ten without Beth, they just need to get on with it! Teasing is great, but too much teasing leads to frustration and disinterest.

[sasusc]

Oops I did it again. Short, one shot based on some of the theories for Daryl Dixon's spinoff from Team Delusional's leaders from @twdmusicboxmystery. Combined it with watching Fear of the Walking Dead, this was born.

Summary: Daryl Dixon meets Al and notices she had an interview tape marked "Beth". He knows it's impossible. Beth Greene is dead. Has been for years. But when Al says Beth had survived a bullet to the head, he knows he needs to check.

[mania12345]

Mixed opinions on these two, wbu??

[twdmusicboxmystery]

This is amazing! Love it! I have some thoughts, but my internet has been out for the past 24 hours (still is) and I don’t want to type them all out with my thumbs. ☺️ As soon as a I get my WiFi back, I’ll address them. Brilliant post, @galadrieljones!

Chartreuse, P.A.D.R.E., The World Beyond coda, and some other potentially wild connections to Daryl Dixon season 2 (Team Delusional)

Hello friends. This post contains spoilers pertaining to recent script leaks, outlined in this helpful post by @bookqueenrules. If you don't want to know anything about these leaks, you can read this post all the way until I post a WARNING. At that point, you should stop!!

Anyway, here we go. Let's look at the shot above.

When I saw this shot in the DD2 trailer, I paused for several reasons. First of all, and most obviously, I saw the Mona Lisa, which is housed at the Louvre. Recall this shot from season 1, which draws a visual connection between the Mona Lisa (shot in the left side of the forehead) and Beth. Daryl literally stops to look at her, as if he is seeing exactly what we are seeing.

Now, the second big thing I noticed in that shot from the trailer, and what I want to talk about today, were several bottles of some sort of green liquid...

These are definitely bottles of CHARTREUSE.

Chartreuse is a unique French liqueur made of alcohol infused with 130 different herbs, flowers, and plants, and which always appears to be either bright green or yellow. Of course, the color green is always interesting to TDers when it is used out of context (ie: on things that are not usually green). It reminded me of two other important out-of-context examples of green in TWDU: the green chlorine gas from The World Beyond and The Ones Who Live, as well as the green corrosive substance which causes Amanda's death in the Tales episode "Davon."

The thing is, while it seems out of context here, it's really not. Chartreuse is supposed to be green. Very green. As far as alcohols go, it, just like moonshine, has quite a bit of symbolic significance pertaining to what's going on in TWDU...

A Quick History of Chartreuse

Chartreuse has many imitators, but much like French Champagne, there is only one real Chartreuse. Real Chartreuse is very expensive because it is in limited supply, literally produced by Carthusian monks near Paris. It is named for a monastery in the Chartreuse Mountains near Grenoble, France. It began with an alchemical recipe in 1605, presented to the Carthusian monks in the monastery outside of Paris by French King Henry IV, called an "elixir of long life." Over 120 years later, it was enhanced by a monk named Brother Gerome Maubec, and over the next 60 years became quite popular in France.

Anyway, during the French Revolution in 1793, the Carthusian monks were exiled from France. They took refuge in Spain until 1816 during Napoleon's reign, when they returned to France and continued to hone and develop their "elixir of long life." But in 1903, they were exiled again, their distillery confiscated by the French government, and they returned to Spain, specifically a city in Catalonia named Tarragona where the French monks would remain, distilling the only authentic Chartreuse in the world, until they were finally invited back to France after World War II.

Parallels to French History in DD season 1

Okay, why is any of this important? To answer this question, we need to return to the World Beyond season 2 coda, but first, we should recall the events of Daryl Dixon season 1. In season 1, Daryl is taken in by Catholic nuns in an abbey near Marseille. He befriends a nun who implores him to embark on a journey to Le Havre, a place called the Nest, where he will deliver Laurent, a "sacred" boy whose "power" we don't really understand. When they finally arrive at the Nest with Laurent, we meet Losang, who is, in fact, a monk, and who has just come from Spain. Losang is not just a monk, and he wasn't always a monk. Though we know little about his past, we do know that he is originally American, and that he came to Paris to study before the fall.

In season 1, we also meet Genet whose movement The Power of the Living (or Pouvoir des Vivants) espouses strong French Revolutionary vibes. She wishes to return the power to the people in France, implying that in order to do this, the people must rise up to "usurp" said power from somebody else. We don't know for sure who Genet's true enemies are, but it does seem that Genet's enemies have some relationship to Losang, The Union of Hope, the Nest, and the USA, hence her relentless hunt for Daryl and Laurent and her impending assault on the Nest. She even shouts "Vive le France!" during the arena fight at the end of season 1, an exclamation associated with the Storming of the Bastille in 1789.

Losang's faction the Union of Hope is described in season 1 as a movement that unites all religions and all people. While it is helmed at the Nest in Le Havre, it knows no borders. We meet several sub-factions in France, including Lou's group of "Lost Boys" as well as Fallou's people in Paris. We also get some sense that there are arms of the faction in Spain, as Isabelle mentions a spaniard on the radio, and Losang has come from a pilgrimage in Spain, one that @frangipanilove has written about brilliantly. Read here.

The World Beyond: The Science of Wildfire

Let's return now to the World Beyond coda. In the coda, we meet a nameless French scientist who downloads the contents of several hard drives onto her laptop at what appears to be an old bioresearch laboratory, somewhere in France. One of the hard drives contains several folders of interest, including one titled "TB Ellis Papiers" and another titled "Slingerland," which is currently still a mystery, though very interesting, as it is the name of a prominent American musical instrument manufacturing company from the mid-to-late 20th century, which mainly manufactured drum kits and guitars. (If anybody has their own theories on Slingerland, let me know, as it's an obsession for me lol).

The French scientist proceeds to watch a video of correspondence from Dr. Jenner from season 1, who discusses at length many scientific angles on producing or addressing a cure or some sort of treatment or mitigation factor for the Wildfire virus.

As she is watching, an assassin enters with a gun and asks if she is on the "Primrose Team." She corrects him to say that she is on the "Violet Team," and that the Primrose Team was in Toledo, Ohio at the time of the fall. The Teams, as we can gather, are groups of scientists, possibly dispersed internationally, who developed the Wildfire virus and, in their efforts to curb its effects, the French teams specifically, created deadly variants, which, according to Jenner in the video, are not endemic to the US. We believe that the Jenners were members of the Violet Team, given their correspondence with the French scientist on the Violet Team and the fact that Jenner's computer assistant is named "Violet." Of course, that's just speculation...

The assassin in question seems to be unaware of the details of what's gone on with the French teams and is only carrying out assassinations on his leader's behalf. He mentions that they are no longer simply jailing the scientists. They're killing them. His faction, which I believe is the Power of the Living, blames the scientists for causing the Wildfire spread, and also for "making it worse." He shoots the scientist in the head and leaves, at which point, even despite the headshot, she turns into a walker and runs violently toward the door.

In this interaction, we learn that at some point in the first ten years after the fall, a major faction (likely the Power of the Living) began hunting the scientists responsible for the Wildfire virus, jailing, and killing them. Some of the scientists were in America at the time, in Ohio, and we think that some of them are still there, and that they possibly attempted to migrate down to the CDC in Georgia at the beginning of the outbreak. The reason for this is that there are variants of "smart" walkers which seem to exist *only* in Ohio and Georgia and *not* in Virginia. In seasons 1-4 and 11 only, we run into walkers who can run, climb, and use tools. Some even have keepsakes, such as the very first walker we see in "Days Gone Bye." She reaches for her stuffed bear, which implies some semblance of "memory" hanging on from her old life.

Mainly these walkers are encountered in Atlanta and later at the Commonwealth. Since Jenner verifies in his video that he hasn't seen any evidence of variants at the American CDC, this suggests that the variants arrived in Georgia at some point in the first three weeks of the outbreak, or before Rick enters Atlanta for the first time.

Anyway, given that we meet one of the scientist in the WB coda, this suggests that there are more in existence, but that they've simply left France. She came back to see if the Primrose team might be there, after all this time. She was wrong, but this scene has given us many massive clues. This is where the folklore of Chartreuse becomes very interesting.

When the Carthusian monks, or the makers of the "elixir of long life" were kicked out of France, BOTH times they went to Spain.

In Spain, they continued their operation until the French were so threatened by it, they finally invited them back after WWII. Given all the WWII callbacks we get in DD season 1, including the revelation that Daryl's grandfather died on the beaches of Normandy, it may be that we are currently entering into a "proxy" situation, in which Daryl fights alongside his allies in France to defeat an existential threat. Only this time, unlike his grandfather, he will survive, and he will live to see his home and his loved ones again, and soon, the "cure" or science which could mitigate the Wildfire virus, could return to France.

The "elixir of long life," aka Chartreuse, could be a compelling historic and symbolic proxy for the Wildfire virus, which I have speculated, based on its regenerative effects in walkers (ie: slowing down their rate of decay, a scientific process that is discussed in World Beyond, but which is not well understood) could have started as a cure for death or the aging process, or a way to heal and regenerate mortal wounds. A literal fountain of youth. The holy grail. A true "elixir of long life." Unfortunately, it was leaked and allowed to infect humans en masse before it was adjusted beyond its most destructive phases. This is just a theory, mind you. It's just based on a hunch.

Either way, remember that the holy grail, which is determined to be "holy blood," is the object of an intense search in the book and film The DaVinci Code, which has been cited multiple times in relation to the lore of TWD, particular TD theories, and which was the inspiration for the TV show DaVinci's Demons, which Scott Gimple wrote for prior to his work with TWD.

Like the Carthusian monks, the scientific teams in France were hunted, jailed, and exiled by a revolutionary cause and took their science with them. If this comparison is intentional or holds any water, it creates a very likely scenario for why season 3 will take place in Spain. If Genet is behind the exile, then this would also explain why Genet is so intent on attacking the Nest and neutralizing Losang and his forces. She wants the scientists dead and out of France.

What are Losang's Motivations?

Returning to Losang, my fellow theorists and several other TDers are suspicious of Losang after his motivations come into question in the ten minute preview currently available on AMC+. Losang is hesitant to attack Genet even though she has taken several of his people as prisoners. He is also critical of Daryl's attempts to teach Laurent self-defense. Why would that be? He says that it is unhealthy to expose Laurent to so much violence, but he says this knowing that Laurent traveled all the way to the Nest with Daryl and Isabelle, and was almost killed multiple times, that he already had to kill a walker to save Isabelle's life, and that said walker was his own biological father. In what way will teaching him to protect himself in a dangerous world keep him from experiencing the same trauma that he's already experienced?

One reason could be to keep Laurent as helpless as possible, ignorant, focused only on the intellectual and the spiritual, not the physical. It could, of course, be innocent but we believe Losang may have ulterior motives or plans for Laurent, who was born to a walker. The speculation that Laurent may have inherited some sort of immunity to the Wildfire virus has been rampant in the fandom, prompting many to make comparisons to Ellie in The Last of Us. Within TWDU, Laurent having any sort of immunity would make him very valuable to cure research and very interesting in terms of deepening the Wildfire origins lore.

If Losang, as an American, was in Paris to "study" at the time of the fall, it is likely he was at one of two major research universities in the region: the Sorbonne or the Pasteur Institute, the latter being at the forefront of vaccine technology in the modern world. While, of course, we don't know for sure, and we could always be wrong, the notion that he could be a scientist or medical/research doctor is not unfounded. Eastman, a good character proxy for Losang, and who counsels Morgan in the season 6 episode "Here's Not Here," found a similar spiritual awakening in the Eastern philosophy of Aikido after the fall. Eastman was a psychiatrist in his previous life.

I also believe that, logically, it is time for Daryl Dixon to follow through on the connection to the World Beyond coda, considering the fact that Scott Gimple verified a connection between the two some time ago. The set-up with Losang, a highly intelligent leader and "pilgrim," reformed monk who has just come from Spain despite being an American with an academic past, would be the perfect opportunity for the writers to draw a strong connection between two major themes in TWDU, which have been percolating for a while: science and faith.

Child Abduction, the Nest, and P.A.D.R.E. (***Major Spoilers Ahead***)

This is where you should stop reading if you don't want spoilers!

Something my fellow theorists and I have started kicking around, in the wake of a recent script leak, which is apparently the final moments of the final episode of season 2, is the possibility that Laurent will be abducted, or that he'll be lured away from the Nest by someone he trusts, perhaps Losang.

Note that the leaked script implies that, by the end of season 2, Isabelle has apparently died. Laurent is also not present in the final scene. I do not believe the writers will kill off Laurent, but that instead, they'll use him to broaden the scope of the world (and to soften the hearts of both Daryl AND Carol). I also don't believe that Daryl would leave Laurent behind in France with Isabelle dead, or that Laurent would want to be without Daryl, given all they've been through and their attachment to one another. In the trailer, we hear that Daryl and Isabelle have begun to discuss taking Laurent back to America. After the war in France, if Isabelle is gone, it might be that Laurent will still want to go back with Daryl and Carol. But since we don't see him in the final scene re: the leaked script pages, and we haven't heard anything about him in Spain, could it be that, when Daryl and Carol return to the Nest to retrieve him (in a coda, perhaps) he's just gone?

Let's talk about child abductions and missing children in TWDU. While the notion of child abduction starts with Jocelyn in "Scars," it comes to a head in Fear, seasons 7-8, in which we learn that children are being abducted by mysterious "snatchers" and taken to a highly secretive place called P.A.D.R.E., where they are trained to fight, essentially, a walker war. P.A.D.R.E. began as a US Military operation, designed by politicians, military personal, and other experts to maintain sustainability after the fall of civilization due to the Wildfire virus; however, for reasons I don't have time to get into, it turns into something else completely. The children at P.A.D.R.E. are all given BIRD NAMES, ie: Finch, Dove, Wren, etc. Madison Clark, who turns up alive in season 7, is nicknamed Lark, and she starts her journey toward redemption as one of the "snatchers" who steals "eggs" or babies and children from "unfit" parents and returns them to the safety of P.A.D.R.E..

This is very interesting. Let's consider the terminology, which greatly revolves around BIRDS. Children who are good prospects for "snatching" are called "eggs," and where might eggs be stolen from?

A NEST.

The children are then nicknamed after birds and taken to P.A.D.R.E.. "Padre" is a SPANISH word. It means priest or father.

So we have bird eggs being snatched from their nest, taken to a place with a Spanish name related to themes and inventory of Catholicism. Is it possible that P.A.D.R.E. was foreshadowing for the events of Daryl Dixon? Is this why the writers chose bird names for P.A.D.R.E.'s wards?

This is also where we might consider Beth coming in, because Beth's main job when she was with Team Family was taking care of Judith and the children. When they escape the prison, she survives because she leaves the bus to go searching for the children. In "Inmates," she leads Daryl on a search for missing children, which ends badly.

Beth also has a bird cage in her cell in "30 Days Without an Accident."

Is Beth in Spain? Will Laurent be taken there? Is this where the French scientists are hiding out, continuing to develop their "elixir of long life" in secret? Some sort of "Spanish Slabtown?" Are they conducting research on children who are "special," people who have "immunity?" Was Beth part of something bigger than we realize? Bigger, even, than the CRM? Something that spanned international borders? Something related to the origins of and cure for Wildfire?

For a very long time, the season 5 templates have lead us to believe that Daryl and Carol will leave together to search for Beth, but what if they're searching for Laurent, and they find Beth by mistake? OR, what if, while they're searching for Laurent, Beth finds THEM? In any case, it's very important that Carol be there for it, as she is the only other living person who we know of that has been inside of Grady and might have memory of what went on there.

Only time will tell. For now, it's fun to speculate...

💫

[s-d23]

Hey. I know it's been a while. I'm gonna be honest,I forgot about you. After the farm,we were always moving. But something happened.Something good. Finally. We found a prison.Daddy thinks that we can make it into a home. He says we can grow crops in the field, find pigs and chickens, stop running, stop scavenging. Lori's baby is just about due. She'll need a safe place when it comes. The rest of us,we just need a safe place to be. I woke up in my own bed yesterday. My own bed in my own room. But I've been keeping my backpack.Keeping my gun close. I've been afraid to get my hopes up thinking we can actually stay here. The thing is, I've been starting to get afraid that it's easier just to be afraid. But this morning Daddy said something. If you don't have hope,what's the point of living? So I unpacked my bags and I found you. So I'm gonna start writing in you again. And I'm gonna write this down now because you should write down wishes to make them come true. We can live here. We can live here for the rest of our lives.

Dear Lord, these are the things I hope for. I hope the people I care about will be safe and happy.  I hope someday this feels like home. Everybody here says they love me. I see how they look at me. I know it's not my destiny to be an ordinary child. I wish it was. But wishes are not hopes. So I hope I can be the person they need me to be. 

But I also hope I can be the person I want to be.  And I hope Daryl teaches me how to throw a knife.

[twdmusicboxmystery]

BETHYL ON SKYBOUND ACCOUNT; SHOWRUNNER CONFIRMS: NO CARYL; GIMPLE POSTING BETH AND MORE!

[bethgreeneprevails]

I already have additional thoughts on the coda column (yes that’s now what I’m calling it)…

Below the coda on the column at the very bottom of the column are green triangles.

These look like little trees to me. The symbol that’s on these “little trees” look like coda symbols but also look similar to the symbol from TWD 5x01 when Morgan returns.

He finds these symbols carved into trees and it looks like he’s following them. Morgan also returned in a “coda” or an “after credits scene”. It’s considered a coda because it’s an ending of an episode but it’s an ending separate from the original ending (before the credits).

We never found out what these symbols Morgan followed were (unless we found this out in Fear? I don’t watch it). It could’ve been terminus or the wolves we have no idea but regardless this is yet another tie to TWD season 5 shown in Daryl Dixon. It’s yet another tie to Morgan, Beth, and codas.

[twdmusicboxmystery]

Definitely! They really went out of their way to emphasize the sheriff’s hat. There were so many Beth vibes in this scene! 🙌🏻👍🏻

I'm sorry but this is kinda suspicious to me.. "I believed" the only time I can relate to RJ so far😭 and Beth and Rick share a lot of symbolism 🌞 plus RJ has his hat!

@angelthefirst1 @twdmusicboxmystery

[sasusc]

So, as soon as I saw some of the Daryl spin-off pics from behind the scenes and whatever they've released, I had this blot bunny nibbling at my ear. And I so don't have time right now to attempt to write it...and once the series starts and we know more about these French characters, I might lose interest in writing something against canon character backgrounds. Maybe another Bethyl writer will take it up? Or they had the same idea and I'll be looking forward to reading it. I'm unloading and dumping this stuff that's been living in my head as soon as I started seeing posts and articles about Daryl’s spin-off and reading all the "Beth is alive!" theories. Somebody do something with it! I probably won't have time.

Anyways, I just saw this on the Instagram and it just brought me warm and fuzzy feelings. I know the post probably got some wires cross or something. I didn't look farther into the poster either.

This is what I saw (possible spoilers ahead):

Um, hello? This gave me such Daddy Daryl vibes. When I first saw this kid as a character, my delusional Bethyl heart saw him as a possible Daryl Jr. Like, if Beth survived and Beth and Daryl had sex before she was taken by Grady, this kid--Laurent--could be the right age. And then there's the info for the spin-off that Daryl would have to decide between his old and "new" family (I couldn't find a direct quote but it was something like this). I mean, look at the below pic... It could fit. Lol

And I looked up the name meaning for Laurent--which is:

"The bright one, shining one"

Reminds me of Beth. She's the sun and sunshine in her family's eyes. And probably something she would name a child. Lol. Pregnant/single mother in France--little to no chance of trying to cross an ocean to get back home, she'll pick a French name to blend in and pick a name that has some meaning.

And back to the first pic, the quote that's claiming its Laurent to Daryl? Daryl’s happy ending to me is finding Beth and having someone to settle down with. I really can't imagine they would use the same quote Judith said to Daryl, so I'm a little iffy Laurent would say this in the series. But if Daryl is struggling over staying in France with Beth and Laurent (a family he dreamed of but didn't think was possible) or going back to the US to his family there...Laurent could be saying "hey, be happy! Choose what would make you happy"

[s-d23]

When Daryl and Beth fight he says "you lost two boyfriends and couldn't even shed a tear". Could his reaction to is@belle be in reference to that?

Wow, you know nonny I literally have not even though of this. I haven't seen anyone reference it either, if someone has I apologize. You're exactly right. I need someone else to watch this scene to give their opinion but I just re-watched it. Mind you that site is crap and the scene is really dark as in dark outside and hard to see but spoilers after this.

Daryl isn't crying. Isabel is like talking about something if I had to guess it's Referenceing Carol because she's there too. Like maybe fate or hope or some bs because you know thats their theme for this whole spin off. I have decided I am going to make A post today and give details. Anyways he doesn't cry, he's sad. He tries to stop her bleeding, he hangs his head but it's not a full on sob like someone killed his soul mate. Isabel actually dies stops breathing, talking whatever. Daryl isn't not holding her, she's laying on something. Carol puts her hand on Daryl's back to comfort him and literally the next second Daryl and Carol are show walking fast away from the nest. Like maybe he's upset obviously but it's not Coda I will tell you that right now!

This is a huge parallel about Beth having two boyfriends and not shedding a tear. Now Daryl's reaction is more sad than Beth's to Zach but soo similar.

We also got a kiss between Beth and Zach before he died and now we have a kiss between Isabel and Daryl!!

I wish I spoke French and knew the dialog. This is great nonny. I need others to add their thoughts but I'm not sure how many people have watched. I'll warn you the site is horrible and pop ups are insane.

This made my day!

[twdmusicboxmystery]

DDS2 Ep 6 Au Revoir Les Enfants - Symbolism Analysis

[myshipsmyotpmylifeistrash]

I love Bethyl but sometimes these theories are really funny