#Bakugo/concequences

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And while we're on the subject of Bakugou's "apology", it really rubs me the wrong way at how 1A just takes him for his word when he throws All Might under the bus for Izuku's low self esteem and self sacrificing tendancies.

Izuku flat out told Ida and Ochako that Deku was an insult and not a friendly nickname.

They were there to see how hard Bakugou was going against him during the Battle Trials, and a lot of them were genuinely scared that he was going to kill Izuku. Hell, even Momo quickly realized that at the very least, Bakugou held some sort of grudge against him.

Momo, Ida, and Ochako saw Bakugou backhand Izuku and refuse to work with him during the final exams.

They all saw him INSULTING Izuku when they were about to beat him into submission before 1A vs Izuku. They were even there when Bakugou admitted (but not really) to bullying Izuku.

I know that this is due to Hori sweeping Bakugou's earlier behavior under the rug, but come on! Anyone with common sense would be able to see that Bakugou is NOT Izuku's friend anything he says about Izuku should be taken with a grain of salt.

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There's a reason why I don't talk about how bad bakugos apology is and that's because there are already a mountain of other posts that have talked about it and phrased what I wanted to say in ways that I could never do.

However, the one thing that continually bugs me is just how horikoshi makes class 1A react to bakugos behaviour and the "revelation" of his actions. During the early arcs of MHA (before the sports festival) class 1A were allowed to have their opinions on bakugo and actively made it clear that they dislikes him and his behaviour somehow without bakugo changing at all class 1A's own behaviour towards bakugo changes and they seem to accept that him being aggressive is just a bakugo way or thing.

In the earlier arcs like the battle trials 1A literally saw bakugo saying that he wants to kill Izuku and it was actually kirishima who spoke out to all might and told him multiple times to stop the fight because he knew bakugo was taking it too far. Heck even after the fight and when izuku came back to class the 1A kids all talked about how well he did and asked if he was okay while they ignored and didn't acknowledge bakugo (which says a lot)

Asui calls bakugo out in the usj arc. Tokoyami also calls bakugos behaviour out in chapter 327 when bakugo is still being rude to midoriya after his alleged apology.

Izuku literally explains to iida and ochako that the name deku is an insult and when izuku picks out the name deku as his hero name the whole of class 1A looks in shock and uncomfortable heck someone even asks him if he is sure that he wants to use that name due to the negative connotations it has.

While I do like the idea of izuku choosing the name because ochakos gave a new meaning to it I think that was just poorly done and showed how izuku was just attention starved at best.

Heck even in the final exam battle the teachers and some students saw how bakugo was treating midoriya yet bakugo receives no concequences for this and the narrative acts like aizawas plan of putting the two together was a great idea so they can somehow get along when there is clearly a horrible dynamic between the two. This also makes me think why the hell did all might not do anything about this?!?! Like come on all might you are literally witnessing bullying and it's your mentee getting bullied and you choose to do nothing ?!?!??

One of the reasons why bakugos apology and the whole 1A Vs izuku fight fails is because instead of them trying to properly reach out to him they literally beat him. This is also one of the reasons why iida's role is my favourite during that fight because he doesn't try and beat izuku or to harm him or to make Izuku deflect an attack. No, iida reaches for izuku and holds his hand while trying to encourage him to come back to UA and tires to comfort him.

Before the fight bakugo literally starts by taunting and insulting Izuku and at the same moment he also tries to apologise like he didn't do the thing a moment before?!?! Bakugo also never acknowledges just how his bullying and abuse for 10 years has effected izuku. He doesn't ack how the name deku has effected izuku or how he contributed to izuku's poor mental health. The narrative simply doesn't acknowledge it and so bakugo doesn't acknowledge it either, all bakugo does is simply offer an explanation as to why he thought he could bully izuku and to be honest that explanation was so stupid. Seriously, bakugos whole inferiority and superiority complex that he has going on is incredibly badly written.

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I hate the fact that this an unintentional and reoccurring theme/thing within MHA in general.

Abusers seemingly don't get concequences for abusing others in MHA. Take enji todoroki and how he never receives any legal concequences for abusing the todorokis and Rei or take kotaro who never receives any legal concequences for his behaviour towards Tenko or take bakugo who never receives any concequences for treating izuku the way he did.

The only abuser that got concequences or the closest one is overhaul and AFO (but were they even done well?)

What's insane to me about scissors-kun is that yeah, now he's getting comfort from somebody but also the fact that his family who abused him and locked him away in horrible conditions pretty much get away in the end and there are no consequences for his family for what they did to him.

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Villain Deku fanfiction Tropes:

Villain Deku = VD.

VD: I became a villain because I didn't have a quirk and Bakugou bullied me and abused me everyday for my lack of a quirk and All Might told I cannot be a hero.

Few chapters later:

VD is now reformed and the thing of bakugou abusing him and telling him to commit suicide is never brought up or forgiven and Bakugou gets to live his life nicely or deku dies and Bakugou will be written as an angsty bitch.

Trope 2:

Deku is tired of bakugou's bullshit and becomes a villain and is pronounced missing. Inko is heartbroken and is comforted by "bakugou" aka. the person who is responsible for her missing son and she never finds out about the horrible shit bakugou did to her son.

VD is reformed or dead and Bakugou lives ahead nicely or stays the same.

Like come on....

Bakugou should be punished in some of the fics. With either suspension or expelling from the hero course for assaulting a quirkless kid and suggesting suicide.

I am tired of this fandom's bullshit.

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The character arc of Ochako Uraraka

I think the biggest problem with Ochako was thinking of her feelings as a burden to other people. She just doesn't wants to be a bother to anyone and that's why whatever she has to say or what's going on her mind isn't important to her and she just keeps bottling it all up.

Pretty ironic when you remember the fact that she wants to become a hero who can lift the burden of other people.

I think, it emerges from her own household where her parents worked so hard just to keep food on the table. By the Bonus Material that Horikoshi added it can be seen how far she's willing to go to save money i.e. how far she's willing to go to not be a bother and while wanting to help her parents is a very good thing but going on extreme lengths to do so and then giving birth to a new set of problems definitely isn't.

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Instances of Ochako's bottling up her feelings:

She doesn't even talks about herself. She told Izuku in the Cavalry Battle that it's better to team up with people you're friends with but later revealed that how bad and ashamed she felt for relying on him. The problem here is also that she's too critical of herself. She knows her limits (after her brawl with Bakugo, she knew she lost because she didn't have a back-up plan, in season 5 also she admitted that she should have been a bit more calm) and while that is a good thing, she just overvalued other people way too much.

Even after her battle with Bakugo when Deku comes to check if she's okay, she pretends as if nothing happened and all his worries were for nothing. Because again, it was her loss and she wouldn't want Deku getting bothered by it. So she just puts on a fake cherry smile and wishes Deku luck for his match only for him to overhear her crying in her phonecall with her parents.

She has strong feelings, opinions and motivations but she wouldn't let anyone be bothered by it. She has a side that gets jealous, that is insecure, that is strong willed but she wouldn't let it show.

Another big instance is when she refused to go for the Bakugo Rescue in Kamino. She knows Bakugo well to understand that he wouldn't like receiving help from people he looks down on. She thought too much about what Bakugo would think and it all ended up in vain when Izuku and gang went anyway and saved Bakugo from the LoV. Just like Asui at that time she felt sad and maybe ashamed but she never said anything like that during that time and yet it was brought up again in the recent manga.

Why? Because it was yet another example of her ideology that her opinion is not necessary which is wrong since her take on this matter was damn important!!

Despite her own second thoughts on the matter she suggested how Bakugo who was the victim, would feel about all this and that lead to Deku deciding that it would be Kirishima to offer help.

Her biggest development in the Pro Hero Exam?

Come to think of it, it was one of my least favourite arcs because how less of Ochako it had. Most characters in MHA learn from their mistakes but ever since her battle with Bakugo it felt like Ochako was never making any mistakes and suddenly been reduced to nothing but a love interest. This scene right here is also probably one of the most misunderstood or misinterpreted scene in MHA.

Ochako decides to completely her feelings away for Deku might have been a good thing on the short term basis but if we look at the impact it had on the larger scheme of things, we can see how big the concequences were. She thought that again, her own feelings are very unnecessary and just a burden on Deku and his Hero career and even for herself, so she decides to put it all away but it's just partial as stated by Toga in chapter 288.

"When you keep bottling it all up it only grows on the inside"

Which is true because ever since the pro hero exam it feels like despite not admitting to herself or Deku, her crush has only gotten stronger like seriously Chako, you say that you don't like him and yet to keep that All Might Keychain safe and close for your dear life!

So yeah while it might look like a character development on her part, it was one of the biggest mistakes Ochako has made in the entire series! And she was forced to face the consequences of it when Deku left UA and she couldn't do anything anymore. She was forced to face all of it and finally admitting how much of a dummy he is!

Some moments of realisations

One of my favourite thing about MHA is how realistic the characters are written. Despite Ochako not admitting her feelings much often, she does have her own moments of truth.

Before her brawl with Bakugo she admitted that they were all rivals and she wants to get stronger too.

After the Bakugo Rescue she admits that they were all uneasy.

After Sir Nighteye died, she admits to herself that she wants to save people.

In season 5 she admitted how dangerous hero work is and acknowledged how Deku's power hurts him too.

She has a parallel to Bakugo in a way that goes around announcing his motivations to the whole world while she cannot even admit it to herself. She looks up on other people so much that she doesn't looks at her own strength and while idolizing Deku had its own merits, what about her own capabilities?

After Sports Festival she went to learn some Martial arts because she needed more combat experience.

After the Black whip incident she attaches grappling hooks to her costume which gives her more mobility in air and ability to grab people and things from distances (obviously) giving her much needed ranged moves.

But where is her mastery over Zero Gravity?

Where is her use of her actual power?

Their is a big reason why the name for Toga vs Uraraka 2.0 was "Miss Candid vs Miss Shut away". Toga here is the candid one! She is honest because she has learned it the hard way (during her quirk awakening) that the transformation is only external. She tries telling that to Ochako but well, wrong place, wrong time.

Despite being the more Frank person of the group Ochako is not honest to herself and even Horikoshi has stated in his bonus Material that she has no hidden sides to her *wink* *wink* What's the meaning of this?

Obviously, Ochako has a secret side. A dual personality of some sort, that is not the cherry girl we're used to seeing on regular basis. The one that is insightful, brave and doesn't give a shit about what other people have to say and we finally witness it after the war arc when Deku leaves UA.

Now that is not to say we haven't have seen that side of her in pieces even before the war ended. She has shown her sheer wit and determination in Ocha vs Bakugo.

She shows her thoughtful side in season 5 when she acknowledged how hard it is to be a hero and her philosophy on saving other heroes in need.

We have seen it all in tiny bits and pieces though she herself thinks of them as something insignificant, as something not necessary. She just goes along with everyone and never truly admits to the situation because that will lead her to admitting her own flawed thinking.

During the war arc, both her philosophy and her Candidness were put to a test and she was made to face the harsh realities of war. She saw Toga crying, she saw casualties, she saw heroes giving up, she saw the society and the hero system fall apart right infront of her and for someone who originally wanted to do it as a job it was an especially important moment that Ochako had to witness.

And finally her breaking point was when Deku leaves UA. It wasn't the only thing that changed her forever but rather the series of events that followed the events of war but it had to be one of the most shocking ones.

After the kids make an epic return in chapter 319, we see the true side of Ochako Uraraka. The real one that is not faking things just for the sake of keeping the environment tension free. She is still a figure of reassurance for her fellow classmates and family but she is no longer thinking too much about how other people would think, infact she doesn't give a damn!

She is calm, determined and decisive.

She was the major advocate in bringing Izuku back to UA and it just only goes to show how far she has come, both as a hero and as a person.

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Have you ever killed off an OC and regretted it? Why?

Have you cried over killing a character?

Who is your least favourite character to write?

What is your favourite part about writing the genre you like the most?

Have you ever thought about bringing back a character that you've killed off?

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1. No because the only OC that I've killed was meant to die, I created it with that in mind so no regrets.

2. I didn't cry exactly but it did make me upset. The first time I killed a character was for my very first work for the Higuel (Hiro from BH6 x Miguel from Coco) fandom. I killed Miguel, who is my favorite from the two and honestly, as much as I enjoy to write angst and make the characters (and readers) suffer I do also like to write a happy ending, that os is probably my first and last bittersweet work, I don't do sad or bittersweet endings nor I do read them, is very rare for me to do so, on the other hand... I'm currently working on a bnha series which will have a character death and it also makes me sad but mainly because of how I'll write the character and how their death will affect the main character of the series

3. As for right now? I have two characters that I don't like but I've written, Lila from MLB and Teruhashi from Saiki Kusuo no psi nan

Also, again with my WIP of the bnha series, I will write from Bakugo's POV and I have mixed feelings with his character, like, Bakugo from the start of the manga/anime? I hate that dude, I love fics where he faces actual concequences for his actions and that bash him, on the other hand, Bakugo from the sport festival won some of my respect and the Bakugo from the recent chapters of the manga is a character that I actually like, because he got his development, I also like fics where he earns a redemption or where he and Izuku are good friends almost brothers, but in the grand scheme of things I like the Bakugo Katsuki Bashing tag a little more, so in my soon to post series I'll write his character not liking him.

4. I like fluff and my favorite part is to give the characters good things, love and happiness, I also like hurt/comfort, because I like to make the characters suffer but I love to give them all the nice things, support and love and happiness they deserve after putting up with whatever shit I throw at them :3

5. Nope, right now no.

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Honestly this whole moment felt out of character. Instead of horikoshi giving focus on izuku and how he feels after going through a ridiculous amount of traumatising events he simply puts light on bakugo making him cry so we can see that he has 'changed'. First of all bakugos redemption was horrendous he never even hit any concequences for his actions and izuku never got the intropsection that he should of yet Iam supposed to believe that they're best friends or something.

Izuku and his history with OFA was a huge but if his development even though I think hori ended up handling it poorly. Izuku until the very end of having that quirk viewed it as a privilege that let him have life opportunities and a gift from his favourite hero but now he lost it. In the battlefield we saw some of his emotions somewhat addressing this but we should of have received more after the battle a time where izuku should of gotten a proper in depth perspective where he genuinely thinks of what has happend and what he had to go through.

Alas, in the end Izuku midoriya is the most underdeveloped main character I have ever seen and it's a shame especially when he had flaws and perfect arcs he could of went through for some good developments.

the fact that Midoriya Izuku is in no way upset about losing his quirk is insane. The quirk that changed the course of his life, lead to him making friends, and getting into his dream school. The quirk that made it so he was no longer quirkless, which he was bullied about for a decade. The quirk that ALL-MIGHT gave him. All the whole Bakugou Katsuki is crying. Bakugou Katsuki who bullied Izuku for being quirkless and thinks izuku's natural place is below him. The same Bakugou who mostly only ever expresses childish rage or cried over his own pride being damaged. It's all insane backwards characterization.

This doesn't make any sense. It's laughable and aggravating.

Midoriya Izuku is characterized as someone who struggles to see himself as having value outside of being a vessel for an Inhereted power and a vehicle to save other people from harm. Bakugou has been consistently characterized as someone fueled b rage pride and distain for who he sees as his lessers, Midoriya most of all.

This scene should have played out as bakugou alternating between celebrating that the world is as it should be, and animalistic rage that Midoriya lost all mights quirk. While Midoriya would be contemplating killing himself. This should be a tragedy where the main character has given up all their dreams and aspirations while the bully celebrates. All from a story about how Midoriya becomes the number one hero.

Seriously what reasons does he have to live. None of his friends stand up for him. His mom is an absent mother. He has as far as he knows a one sided crush that is never going to go anywhere because he is quirkless and useless. All his friends get to live out his dream. He sacrificed his quirk only to fail anyway. Even when he had the quirk it wasn't as advertised. He still never punched the weather, something that all might could do missing a stomach and lung, running on charitably a 60th of his strength, while already over exerted on top of all that.

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I just read 426 officially, the todoroki family Endeavor congratulations selection sounded so forced.

"You've also been punished already... Can't you just stop now?" The f*ck? Objectively that's not true, the law hasn't punished him at all.

Many stories have cases of child abusers avoiding jail time (usually being disconnected from the family but whatever). But MHA puts a lot of effort telling the audience that Endeavor is well.. putting the effort and bearing a cross. So, when the obvious case of jail time is never brought up, the context of the dialogue sounds stupid. Especially when most of the chapter is in a jail.

Completely agree anon!!

I have said this before but i will say it again I completely hate how the todoroki family arc was handled and I wholeheartedly believe that enji todoroki shouldn't of gotten either a redemption or an atonement arc at all.

Enji todoroki doesn't actually end up getting any concequences legally speaking that is when he 100% should of gotten them. Enji should of probably ended up in jail at the end of this arc for his history with child abuse and implied marital 🍇 however that isn't the case and he is simply allowed to do whatever Scott free in a retirement home. It also seems that the public don't actually mind enji and may tolerate heck even accept him even after what he did. This probably has something to do with him stepping up and doing his job as a hero so people may of let it slide which ISNT OKAY!!

In the end all that enji receives is karma and no actual punishments at all. Sure his family leaves him but he is free to do whatever and go visit touya which in my opinion is something that he shouldn't be allowed to do.

I have already said this but my preferred route for enji is to have him never be redeemed. I would of liked for him to die as a worthless and abusive father who never got to realise that maybe he should of changed as his own actions have caught up to him in the form of his own son touya. Enjis death in the first war arc would of ended up serving many plot points justice including his and this is by:

Having there be actual pressure for heroes and anyone in the hero industry that there is no number one and that they're all in danger

Give more focus to the todorokis

Give enji what he deserved by having him taste his own medicine (dying by touyas flames would of been ironic)

Also drive the touya and shoto role because when enji dies there will probably be mixed reactions and some would glorify his last actions

Allow for characters to get more agency that was suppressed to humanise enji like the Rei and hawks

Parallel his arc with bakugo which would make bakugos redemption more impactful (if bks redemption is done right that is)

But yeah it's such a shame that a big plot point in the series ended like this and to be honest I feel bad for touya who just has to slowly suffer and die at least Shigaraki had the mercy of a quick death (I still hate both their endings and hori flopped so badly)

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I legit just saw the leaks and WTF IS THIS HORIKOSHI!!!

Like izuku and shigaraki have been literally stripped bare there is nothing to them and now the only way for izuku to become a hero is through more suffering and pain. Like why is it only izuku out of class A that has to lose an arm and his quirk. Like he is the only one that gets concequences because bakugo came back from the dead and tokoyami probably got his quirk back because AFO died so what's the point?!?! And I have some problems with the leaks that I will go into detail about in another post like how bk 2.0 now likes izuku somehow and is inspired cos he never gave up on anyone or some bs. Also Izuku's character fails due to having no monologue so that's why his character arc and him wanting to save shig fails. We legit get no introspection except of kudo telling us what izuku is feeling which is complete and utter BS

Is…is this a joke?

ok mha manga latest chapter Hori will have Izuku lose OFA to defeat Shigaraki? And what's even funnier is that one fan said that behind the door in OFA that's normally locked behind it is Kacchan!? I think I survived those two OFA users in your movie 2, Horikoshi. Are you really going to make me swallow this trash?

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I honestly have a strong feeling that the story's going to end with Bakugou being the #1 hero, and it both dreads me and pisses me off to no end.

I remember seeing @sapphic-agent make a post about this and it's unironically been a haunting thought whenever I think of MHAs ending.

But there's also something so ironic about bakugo (one of the most privileged mf in the series) barely getting any proper concequences becoming the number one hero and continuing to support the status quo and basically up hold the system that has hurt everyone including him to a certain extent.

I also can't help but to hate the whole izuku became the greatest hero while bakugo became the number one hero. I don't know why but I absolutely hate it the same goes for that phrase win to save or save to win.

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MHA chapter 424 (rant)

This chapter was horrible. Look, if hori thought that this chapter could provide the fans with some relief he was wrong.

This is supposed to be the epilogue or the beginning of it and half of it is just useless BKDK. Honestly this was so stupid I feel like this chapter which was labeled the epilogue could of been used to wrap up a lot of character arcs and update us on events instead of us getting some little bkdk crying ending. In all honesty I still hate bakugo and think that their arc is Hella underdeveloped considering that Izuku never gets any intropsection going on and bks development is heavily flawed.

Still hate what the series did with Izuku. Izuku as a main character and a character in general is heavily underdeveloped so I understand why he is getting the hate that he is getting. However, izuku was also a victim in this and didn't get proper development at all, like him and shigs whole storyline was sidelined and they barely formed a relationship before or even during that fight at all. Izukus lack of intropsection is also one of the reasons why he is getting hate like it's low-key hori's fault for not giving us any development when it was right there. I also think I need to remind some people that izuku is only 16 and had all of this on top of his shoulders but I see the point that shig a victim should of been saved. However, it's not like izuku didn't try his best, like he tired all he could it's at the end of the day shig that didn't accept it until it was too late. Also, can we talk about how horrible hori did izukus design dam I miss his fluffy hair at the same time I get it. Also I hate that he still has some OFA embers and all like it makes no sense I thought they were gone with that one punch that was apparently so strong it CHANGED THE WEATHER?!?! Honestly, I hate that inko is nowhere in sight and that she allowed him to go back to ua like?!?!?!?

Shigaraki deserves better. Oh dam I just wish that someone would adopt shig and izu and give them a better ending cos this isn't it. Shigarakis storyline ending sucked in all honesty especially that retcon that stated that shig apparently knew that AFO was manipulating him?!?!?! Also am I the only one whose confused as to why shigs last words were directed towards spinner. As angry as Iam I was also expecting some horrible stuff like this to pop up considering that hori has consistently been trying to separate Tenko and shigaraki so this is what we get but just even worse.

So nothing on toga and ochako? No offense but I hated that this chapter was just centered around BKDK like where was toga? Or ochako? Why is it that we only get one small panel of ochako looking pensive and sad when last time we saw her she was on the verge of death and in CRITICAL condition. Also what about toga? Like we haven't seen her in a long time. Is she alive? Is she dead? In all honesty if she is alive and gets no concequences then I would call that bad writing.

What about the todoroki family ? Poor Todoroki last time we saw him his family fully surrounded touya forgetting about him. In all honesty he deserves so much more and my arguement stands. We should of gotten an update about the todoroki family as well. Iam not a fan of enji neither am I huge fan of the direction touya/Dabis character has taken but I would of enjoyed an update.

What about the others? Kurogiri, spinner and the rest!??!!?!?! Iam bais but dam it seems like this chapter has forgotten all about the other characters it put in critical or difficult situations and just chose to focus on some stuff that's so irrelevant. Like the small panels should of been reserved for spinner and kurogiri on characters that we should of seen updates on. While we should of gotten full pages on todoroki and ochako

Also it seems like the pacing is quite fast, too fast really. How is it that they're just going back to school like I thought people resided in UA and that some of it was heavily damaged during the war? What about the chaos and destruction that's all over Japan has that been rebuilt? Also how did parents allow their kids to go back to a school that made them glorified child soldiers?

It's a shame we don't get any focus on izuku nor do we see his mother's reaction. I mean we see and get more focus on bakugo than we do when it comes to izuku and it sucks horribly.

In conclusion, I heavily disliked this chapter and giving it the title of epilogue is horrible. I bet that this is like one of the last chapters we are getting.

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I remember hearing that horikoshi focused on making the manga be something like a modernised tale from a comic book which explains why he tries to make things so clearly cut black and white but ends up failing and creating a very grey society that has a lot of mixed MESSAGES.

I made a post about MHAs horrible mixed messaging and how that ended up really destroying the series but it doesn't help that horikoshi is somewhat of a hypocrite when it comes to his wiring because he uses the villain characters to criticise something in society but then uses horrible hero characters to praise the same thing he was once criticising.

Another thing that MHA really lacks is the world building. You can argue that the MHA universe is supposed to be our universe just with superpowers but with that comes a lot of interesting concepts that are dismissed, not discussed or developed enough and clearly rushed. For example quirkless discrimination only somehow happens to izuku midoriya and we never really focus on how that has impacted him or what other quirkless people went through.

Stain was a great villain and he could of added a whole lot more to how morally grey society is and how horrible it was the same goes for overhaul and the hero comission but stain is the only character that gets some sort of spotlight when it comes to this and it isn't even enough 🤷‍♀️. Unpopular opinion but stain is a big part as to why iida's character arc was so good because it actually developed both iida and the world building to a certain extent.

Iam not an all might hater but personally speaking I would of loved if all mights character revolved a bit around him being both a victim to hero society and being the reason as to why hero society is so down in the trenches and sucks so badly 🤷‍♀️. I think it would if added more depth to him and would of been 100X better then introducing the iron might or quirkless hero all might plot point because if ANYONE SHOULD OF BEEN A QUIRKLESS HERO IT SHOULD OF BEEN IZUKU MIDORIYA!!!!!

Iam still saying that Enji todoroki should of never been redeemed and him not being redeemed would if helped the narrative so much more by (1) having the todoroki arc actually focus on shoto and the family (2) him becoming a worse person could been greatly contrasted to bakugo who is trying to change (3) would of had him be a symbol for the corrupt heroes in society (4) would of given more complexity to hawks character.

UA not properly teaching children to be heroes is another fascinating factor as it could of just been UA is a bad and corrupt school/facility that could of contributed greatly to the story. This could of really helped the world building and you could of had aizawa (who sucks and got ruined to be hori's mouthpiece) be the one to try and help the children and for the children to realise this and change how horrible the system is especially izuku and others characters who have faced systematic oppression for things they cannot control

Currently I doubt a lot would change after the final war arc I feel like horikoshi wouldn't make a new system but uphold the oppressive and horrible system presented in MHA (low-key reminds me of harry potter)

Oh and don't get me started on how much of a cancerous annoyance bakugo is there is no point for him to be attached to Izuku's character or for him to do or achieve the things he actually did. I stand by the point that bakugo should of actually faced proper challenges/concequences for his actions and should of spent the entire series trying to change and become better while having an accomplishment of working together with another person and hero to defeat a villain. ALSO CHANGE BAKUGOS REASONING FOR BULLYING IZUKU THAT STUFF SUCKS!!!! I still can't believe that the only reason he picked on izuku and gave him all that trauma was cos he thought that izuku was too good like that's some great A+ bs it makes more sense in the story to have him start to bulky izuku after izukus lack of quirk and he does it because of societal expectations and his ego but no that's not what we get and somehow the abuser rules the story yet again

The longer BNHA goes on, the more I start to ask this question.

Is this a story worth telling?

It brought up some interesting things to think about like what it really means to be a hero and if villains really are evil or people that society failed.

But then comes the muddled messages, characters that barely do anything significant other than to be plot devices, the overhyping of one character that ruins the purpose and development of the main character, and the inconsistencies and conclusions that characters come to that makes little to no sense.

Then you just have a story that just goes NOWHERE!

Because let's be honest, how much will society actually change by the end of it all? How will it treat quirkless and those with less than stellar quirks? And will they actually allow people like Bakugou to become heroes all because they "try really hard"?

Hi there, @theloganator101 First off, thank you for the question.

Also, TLDR.

Long before, I had made a somewhat similar post, talking about the same points. What makes a hero a hero? Because it's more than wearing a cape and punching issues and problems into submission. Bad guys simply go to jail and rot till their dying breath. And why is the world of BNHA so black and white? So 'this is good and this is bad'? We have a very compartmentalized version of human society. But you and I both know very well that human nature, human social interactions are the most complex and difficult things to understand. And even though I had seen these flaws in the series much earlier, I was still forgiving of the author because I genuinely thought he would eventually come around and explain why things are they way in the BNHA verse. But that NEVER happened at any point in the series so forget about Hori addressing these issues now because BNHA as a whole doesn't matter.

It's a no brainer to say that the job of a 'hero' is to save the day. But what about those who are the victims of school bullying? (cough cough BkDk is a totally normal and a healthy relationship, you're just a homophobe if you dont ship them) or those who had to keep their voice and entire existence heavily suppressed because your marriage was just a means to an end? (Endeavour is a loving husband, a doting father and a hard working hero) What about those kids who are victims of child abuse, child neglect and discrimination? (the Todoroki kids, Shigaraki, Toga and heck, even low key Spinner grew up in loving and healthy households). The Creature Rejection Clan was created to combat racism and All Might, someone who's name itself reduced crime in Japan by a half simply by existing, did NOTHING against the CRC. I thought 'heroes' were meant to protect the weak and deliver justice to the evil doers irrespective of who or what they are. I thought that's what's really meant to be a hero, to be defenders of mankind. Because lets face it, what's the difference between a villain who kills and a hero who abuses his family members on a physical, mental and an emotional level? What are the required criteria to judge these very two damnable actions with a bias attitude?

Which brings me to another question: Why are the students at UA high only taught martial or physical training? Don't they have special classes where they have to moral education classes or something along those line? Besides the rigorous physical training they need to fight against heroes, they have normal, regular-degular academic curriculum. These so called heroes-in-training are well educated in the art of understanding the topography of a battle field but the system has FAILED to educate the kids to understand why villains are the way they are. The entire system, the root itself, the very foundation of the hero society, FAILED to protect what they claimed to be. People like Toga, Dabi, Overhaul, Spinner, Shigaraki, Twice, Stain, Magne, are all nothing but the products of the hero society, the actual end result of this superficial, celebrity-like lifestyle of hero worship. But many fail to see beyond the stars and shimmers of this artificially constructed world.

The above points are heavily tied to Stain's ideologies. He didn't put up arms and struggles against the hero society for nothing. He knew what he was doing.

This may not be the answer that you're looking for but the way I see it, the MHA story shows us a horrifying representation of our already dark and twisted world but that's where it stops. It wants to do nothing with it because the story doesn't know where to go with it and how to go about doing it. It started something it couldn't finish. It created issues it couldn't solve. So the plot choose a different path to tread upon: focus on the popular people from the hero society who are highly questionable and romanticize their words and actions. It doesn't matter if you faced quirk discrimination or worse, became a butt of ridicule for not having any quirk at all. So long as a bully has given a half baked ''apology'' and works hard to be a hero to satisfy their own ego, it's all good at the end of the day. Self worth issues, self inflicted bodily harm, lack of self worth received by the victim (definitely NOT Izu because Bk treats him with utmost respect and comradery), all melt away due to the power of 'apology' and friendship. It teaches us that celebrity worship, fake sense of heroism, the desire to be the top at the expanse of others are to be treated with normalcy because the show must go on no matter what. The other message is that it's ok be a wife beater and a bully so long as you're doing it for heroism, name, fame, recognition.

Our priorities in the MHA universe are all messed up. We don't even have an inkling of a thought about how Izu feels about quirkless discrimination and the manga is wrapping itself up. So all the answers we can provide ourselves with regarding the matter will be head canon.That's why the main message of the story is that it fails on so many levels in terms of writing a morally upright story. The main hero of our story is nothing to offer, no words of hope and encouragement. That's the other message it has conveyed to us. I'm not saying this, the manga has proven to us time and again what i just said. The other thing it hammers home is the fact that, so long as you're a hero, your unjust behavior will be swept under the rug by your school and higher authorities. The message that MHA time and again conveys is that it loves hypocrisy and double standards. These are the solid reasons as to why the plot cannot logically and cohesively march forward.

"With great power comes with great responsibility" and the MHA verse failed to understand this concept by becoming the very thing the villains are condemned for in this series. That, my friend, is the general message of the story. That, my friend, is the moral lesson of the MHA verse.

#MHA critical thinking #bk is a bully #Izu deserved better #Izu is the protagonist not Bk #Izu matters Bk doesnt #Hori cant write shit

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When you realize the first tragedy of the War (Tomura's Mass Radius Decay) could've been completely avoided if the heroes performed an evacuation. Tomura was weeks away from completion.

That one laser-eye "hero" really deserved to his fate for the one of the stupidest decisions ever.

Don't you think there's an irony to it though?

Looking back at the moment laser literally only tries to destroy the machines surrounding shigaraki because he thinks it's for the best having them destroyed.

In a way this goes to prove how the way heroes have done things is quite flawed and that the whole ideology by win to save is also incredibly flawed and has caused the deaths of many others (as this does in the war arc). The whole infiltration plan has a lot of gaps since it's taking place in broad daylight with multiple innocent civilians around (aka more collateral damage) and it's worse because the heroes are always shown to be characters who fight first and then talk later. One can argue that this is a gaping flaw from hero society teaching heroes to be on their toes and to always attack if in danger or to destroy anything dangerous instead of approaching it in a different way because suprise destroying danger (in the form of horrible violence and killing) doesn't always work and can easily backfire on you just like it did with laser and miriko in the first war arc.

Talking about miriko she is the one who destroyed shigarakis tube and it was because of her jumping straight into battle that she ended up getting horribly injured to the point of losing two limbs.

Now that I think about it the series has always went ahead and given concequences to heroes that jump straight into battle simply choosing to destroy without actually getting a good grasp or understanding of the situation they're in. This is the reason why bakugo literally dies in the second war arc.

However, even with all of this shown chapter 430 ends by telling us that the hero society and industry now still very much values strength and is highly concentrated with people who have strong and powerful quirks instead of valuing other aspects like intelligence and strategy.

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UA teachers suck and UA sucks as a school

UA literally just sucks. Honestly this school has failed so many people especially izuku in particular.

Maybe it wouldn't of actually earned this title if we got more academia arcs but from the canon stuff we have so far it sucks!

No bullying policy?

So you see a student outright bullying another student and you decide to do nothing?!?!?! The student then doesn't even get any concequences for his actions?!!!!?!?!

Exposing students to the whole world after a villain attack?

So right after usj you have the sports festival and you don't even decide to delay it because UA's security measures have to look like their on top and apparently that's the logic behind it. Also, reminder that the UA sports festival is MORE POPULAR THAN THE OLYMPICS. So watching 15-18 year olds use their quirks to harm eachother is alright???! Like aren't you basically using minors for other people's entertainment?!?!

I mean realistically speaking you could of tried to delay the festival or just make the first years not do it that year. Just have them do tournaments with only heros present so you actually protect students safety and don't have people and villains watching/witnessing their weakness

Lying to the public about students being psychologically fine?

We never saw the phycological evaluation that the students did after the training camp incident and saying all students were psychologically fine was such A big lie considering you had a GROUP of students go and try and rescue another student because they couldn't trust the teachers enough to handle the situation which idk about you but that says A LOT.

Chaining up bakugo?

Look I hate bakugo I really really do but muzzling a whole student and making him a whole public disgrace has to be illegal? ...Right. like if bakugo wasn't going to cooperate then just disqualify him and make todoroki the winner and save yourself from attracting villains to kidnapping the kid.

Acknowledging that your entrance exams are badly done but then not changing them?

Seriously, we get aizawa talking and talking about how useless and illogical the entrance exams are but then nedzu does nothing... ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT IT. aizawa had a point about the exams favouring people with offensive quirks but can he really talk about that when all he does to teach his class is just play sick and twisted logical ruses on them? Also shouldn't the exams focus on different aspects of heroism instead of defeating villains?

Aizawa and his teachings being accepted?

I don't know about you but aizawa being a teacher is wild to me. Like this is the guy who actively does NOTHING to help his students but trains a student that's not even in his OWN CLASS!! He then goes on to not even read his students files which contain some very important information that could explain some or majority of his students behaviours that he isn't bothered to understand!!!! Also the amount of expulsions he has even if they are on paper they are literally a death sentence to students as it permanently destroys their records and ruins their chances in finding any normal job let alone becoming heros. He also only points out the problems with his students and then does nothing to help LITERALLY NOTHING!!

Is therapy a thing in UA?

No like this is actually a serious question because if you're telling me that hound dog is a therapist then I might as well leave because how is he a therapist when he offers nothing and is cannonically seen as threatening by all the students?!?!? Also were 1A or 1B even offered therapy after what they went through?!?! Like some of 1A literally showed some clear trauma responses and UA does nothing about it. Oh and this isn't even mentioning what hound dog done to izuku ( izuku is a gag and so is his pain) oh and what about mirio did he get any support after nighteyes death

Midnight in the anime?

We all have our own problems with midnight but her in the anime is totally different then the midnight in the manga. In the anime she continually flirts with students and you get it she does stuff she isn't supposed to. In the manga its a bit different but there are some scenes like the final exam arc where it's a bit weird

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MHA and dumbing down all might

Yes, you heard this right I wholeheartedly believe that horikoshi has been dumbing down all might because some of the stuff that happens really makes no sense.

The canon MHA stats that are made by horikoshi himself state that all might is actually quite intelligent yet we never see it in the series. If all might was very intelligent then wouldn't he :

Train Izuku in basic hand to hand combat? I mean he literally gave izuku A whole diet plan and gym routine so he can build up muscle because he realised that it would be DANGEROUS to give izuku OFA at his current state so wouldn't he also train Izuku in hand to hand so izuku can use OFA in closer range? Like are we talking about the same all might who planned how Izuku's life will go for the past 10 months by a whole schedule couldn't be offer izuku combat training?!?!

Fully explain to him the concequences of OFA? I don't mean anything about AFO but the quirk OFA itself. Even though they were both in a rush you could of had all might warn izuku not to use the quirk until the last moment because he was still weak as a user and needed more time to grasp OFA but he just ends up giving izuku horrible advice which just makes all might look dumb.

Realises how bad of a person bakugo is, plans to then help him and then NOTHING?. This can be easily explained by horikoshi and his absolute love for bakugo but all might actually realises that one of his students needs help and he planned to give bakugo counselling that's more then any other teacher has done but afterwards he also becomes blinded by bakugos "greatness BS"

Realises how much of an escalated battle between izuku and Katsuki but doesn't stop it? This one is 50/50 for me while all might didn't have any audio from both of them he saw how badly that battle escalated and it also escalated so badly to the point you had students like kirishima saying that bakugo was going to murder izuku at this rate. Iam actually fine having this one because maybe all might never understood how bad their relationship was so he allowed this to go on but we could of had an apology scene afterwards where all might could of apologised for not stopping it sooner and have some teachers give him constructive criticism on his teaching.

Actually keeps in mind that his successor is a child and understands that OFA is a big secret for a child to have or keep but then kind of leaves izuku alone with no proper support system? Look I get it. Telling every single living being about OFA is very very dangerous but the only people that do know about it do NOTHING to help or support izuku and with something like OFA Izuku definitely needs support so you could of had at least a bit of the teachers know vague details of the quirk (they don't have to know about how it can be transferred and passed down) but know that Izuku got it late. I get the reason why all might is so strict about telling NO ONE but it doesn't help Izuku. ALSO PROPS ON ALL MIGHT FOR ACKNOWLEDGING THAT IZUKU IS JUST A KID!!!!!

Withholding help from izuku (but not really??) ???. Idk how to word this but let's be honest it's not a good look on all might when you have Izuku learning more from GRAN TORINO AND ENDEAVOUR?!?! When it comes to OFA all might is just there a lot of the time ( he doesn't really do much) and yes you can blame this on the narrative because we don't get that many scenes of them and their relationship in their first place but the point stands it's not a good look on you when you're successor is learning more from people who aren't OFA user's. I know all might was probably afraid of gran Torino and that's why he didn't contact him but like almost withholding and putting off help for izuku isn't a good look especially when we see all might do nothing about izuku breaking his bones.

Forgetting to tell izuku about AFO?? At the beginning of the conversation after the stain arc it's stated that all might forgot tell izuku about the origins of the quirk which rubs me off the wrong way. I think the whole AFO reveal and it's involvement with OFA could of have been a great plot point that would make us see Izuku's feelings and maybe create some tension in AM and izu's relationship which can be sorted out because Izuku just accepting that he is gonna have to FIGHT a full on villain that has killed multiple people with no complaints rubs me off the wrong way

All might is scared of gran Torino because of how hard he was "trained" by him but then brutally beats izuku and bakugo around??? I don't know but the whole final exam fight seemed so out of character of all might especially with how hard he was going at Izuku like recovery girl herself stated that he would of damaged Izuku's lower back a whole lot more if he added more aggression and this makes no sense to me. You're telling me the guy who was beaten around by Torino until he vomited and was on the verge of passing out would do that to his own successor and another students

There are definitely more examples of this happening that I didn't include but the point is the plot and narrative tend to heavily dumb down all might which is sad.

Someone can be a GOOD MENTOR but a BAD TEACHER ( especially if it's with a group of overpowered teenagers) however, the plot doesn't do all might justice.

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This!

Izuku my beloved you deserve better

I do not like Bakugo and I don’t think I ever will.

He hurt that baby for so long only to spout some stupid EXCUSE, yes I said excuse cus that’s what that shit was, for why he bullied him. Imagine someone hurts you for years and all they can come up with is “Remember when I tripped and fell into a pond when we were little? Yeah I thought YOU though YOU were better than ME so I spent the barter part of our lives hurting and belittling and humiliating you bcs I kinda don’t like myself 🙈” if I was Izuku during that scene I would went feral. Just growling and screaming till I GET his crazy ass. Proves he’s a better person than me cus baby, bless him.

Lil side note, Bk/dks are funny cus they need canon pictures of two toddlers to prove they’re childhood friends. Cus what happens,,,directly after that for the next 10 years? No middle school or junior high fanart or even official art as far as I’ve seen. Just the same baby pics cus they have nothing else to base this weird abusive ship on.

Cus everyone knows that shit isn’t accurate at all.

We know what happens between them in middle school. All of what Baku does to him so you can’t even think to use pics from that time for your little yaoi boy fantasy (no hate to anyone who reads yaoi cus I don’t see any reason to hate but a lot of y’all are very weird when it comes to the shops and it should be addressed)

No one ever wants to address what Bak did. Hell they even try to down play the suicide batting. Like genuinely I need help to understand why on earth you would look for any semblance of romance between someone who relentlessly bullied another person for years and in the end told him to off himself? I don’t want this to be too long cus it’s really just a rant but I’m so confused like how is this appealing to you people?

This shit he does to him daily isn’t cute.

Period point blank. That snowball thing wasn’t some funny gag, not coming from someone who we know isn’t afraid to use lethal force on someone with no good reason at all.

And why is everyone so ok with Izuku having to be tormented for Baks development? Why can’t he talk to an adult? Why not get a therapist or anger management? His parents are rich they could completely afford it. Why is it the same motif of him taking out everything on this other little boy who just wants to help and won’t fight back? This boy who wouldn’t hurt him or anyone just bcs?

Anyway Bak is too villainous to become a good hero now.

Even if The creator pulls some “he changed but y’all don’t see it” type shit it wouldn’t work bcs with the way he is now he just won’t be a nice hero. He’s too brash and would easily scare off traumatized people he should be helping. Legitimately had to be FORCED to save people,,,, as a fucking hero student.

He really shouldn’t have been allowed in UA in the first place but it is a nice example about how power structures need to be upheld by bad people. People willing to suppress, willing to hurt, all because they’re allowed to.

Yeah that nigga can go somewhere else , the league shoulda kept his ugly, loud, ableist ass.

Sorry if this is all over the place but this is how I talk and think 24/7 so how tired do you think I am of it?

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Something about Hori's writing that drives me up the wall is that I'm almost positive that the complaints people have about many of the characters aren't intentional.

Like I'm sure we're not supposed to see Aizawa as a willfully useless teacher who really doesn't like Izuku and unfairly favors Bakugou and Shinsou, and I'm sure we're supposed to see 1A as a found family with an actual bond with one another.

I know for a fact that he deliberately wrote Bakugou as a bully at first, but then he wrote him/drew him crying and he thought he was so amazing afterwards 🤦

Hi @nutzgunray-lvt 👋

Totally agree! The reason Iam very critical of MHA is because of these things!

Like Iam 1000% convinced that aizawa is supposed to be written as a good mentor whose incredibly flawed but it doesn't come of that way

Or that bakugo was supposed to get a lot more concequences but we don't see that

Or that enji wasn't supposed to be redeemed but somehow he did?!?!!

Or that shigaraki is supposed to be a good leader but we don't get enough of any of that (shigaraki is incredibly inconsistent)

I can go on and on but you get the jist of it