#Anti izuocha

[ttomuras]

ochako, screaming crying throwing up over the loss of toga:

izuku: uraraka!!!!

izuochas:

(…yall call bkdks toxic but i have never experienced them treating izuochas like this over deku screaming katsuki’s name (which happened like 500 times already but wtv)? and this isn’t you being happy over your ship maybe having a cute scene or becoming canon. i doubt any of them even care about izuku or ochako (cuz ochako is literally??? having the wORST time rn why would izuku confess to her?? why would ochako confess to him??) like atp i have seen several izuocha shippers butt in and go “what are you saying?? nothing happened and it would be inappropriate to confess” (and this is not me just being a bkdk shipper and not wanting izuocha to be canon. if this was katsuki and deku instead i wouldn’t want a confession either.) and it isn’t even about that. this is just gross and homophobic honestly…(yes homophobic cuz the amount of comments that are about them being boys is telling and the lack of comments of lgbtq people saying the same thing is also telling (actually i have seen several people say “i also hate bkdk with a passion but this ain’t it guys”))

[cringengl]

istg if deku and uraraka end the series together i'm never trusting another author to finish their their series correctly bcus sure while their platonic relationship is pretty fleshed out and developed, uraraka's 'crush' honestly just seemed to be there in order to further develop uraraka's character and her relationship with toga rather than to set up a future romantic relationship to deku if i'm being honest

[bibibbon]

You know it's funny (but it's really not) how Izuku is there for Ochaco when she bawls about being unable to save Toga - yet she and the rest of 1A abandon Izuku for eight years while he has no quirk and can't act as a hero.

He could really have used some support from his friends after the war and dealing with his new quirklessness, yet she and the rest of 1A - poof! Gone like a fart in the wind.

She isn't beating the fake friend allegations which is worse for her considering Hori tried some half hearted set up for IzuOcha with her crush on Izuku that seems to have evaporated now.

It's sad but a repeating thing it seems like. Everytime someone needs help (well majority of the time) izuku is there and indeed offers help or what he can but when izuku needs help there aren't people who help him. I was hoping in chapter 429 that ochako and izuku would at least be able to have a proper heart to heart where they both comfort eachother and izuku talks about tomura but no the narrative continually shuts Izuku's trauma and strips him of any agency or autonomy. In the end Izuku is never allowed to unpack his emotional baggage and trauma he also is never allowed to rely on anyone properly which is just sad

They graduated 6 years ago (izuku lost his quirk shortly after graduation if Iam sure) so Izuku has been quirkless for 6 years however, it does hold truth 1A isn't a found family. All we know is that due to work they don't talk much but like you have technology and everything so it just seems like they straight up abandoned him in a way just to be seen interacting with him when he is a hero which leaves a bad taste and impression on me.

The thing is Izuku could of very much used support from his classmates after the war and while you can argue that they all had their own trauma to deal with that is also their friend (supposedly) and in chapter 429 asui literally told ochako that she wanted her to open up to her but I suppose there's no one for izuku to open up to as he does try to reach out to his classmates but they reply with "they're fine" or something else which is disappointing since they did say that they were there for him during the vigilante arc (although I still don't like how they got him back to ua)

I can't say much about izuocha since horikoshi used it as a way for ochako to develop out of her crush which I think was horribly done and introduced a weird dynamic that didn't make sense while making ochakos character full of wasted potential.

[rose-void-789]

Okay but the biggest thing for me that has always kept me from liking Izuocha is that I come from fairytail. I know shonen romance isn't boring. I know what it's like to see the two main leads love and fight and admire each other. And that's the thing that I always wanted for Ochako. I wanted badly for her to have what Lucy has.

And I did ship them at first because they were cute and I thought oh the hero name. The helping Deku win his entrance exam. Her having her own goals. Being broke the friendship. it seemed so much like Nalu. Better too because I could see Izuku blushing at her too.

And then someone says something about twin stars. About Izuku and Bakugou being intertwined. About win to save save to win. And then I see the second movie and my mind explodes. I reread the manga and realize what Katsuki did. Izuku was always pushing chasing looking at him. And that wasn't to say that izuocha couldn't happen but that interconnection I saw with Nalu wasn't it more with bkdk. And it kept getting worse. Ochako kept getting sidelined to better explore the relationship between Izuku and Bakugou.

Izuku never looked at her like she did him. Never thought about her like she did him. A blush or two wr got at most. But Ochako whole character started to soley revolved around her feelings towards him. She was the only one carrying the romance plot.

Mha isn't a show about romance but neither is Fairytail. And yet Lucy never got sideline in fact even with all the stuff on Zeref and Gray Lucy found herself interconnected to Natsu through her own bloodline. And they always had moments ones where he's scared of her getting hurt, of catching her from falling, of going berserk because he thought she died, of protecting her, of finishing a big villan off together, of being on missions together. Hell when he ran away shes the one that found him. When Izuku ran away bakugou found him. When Ochako was in danger Tsyu was there or any number of other heros, when she almost died Toga held her safely. Nalu gave me such a high expectation for shonen romance and female leads. So of course it's so frustrating seeing people call the obvious love intest boring when it can be anything that. To act like the female lead has to carry the romance plot and contribute nothing else. That the male lead can just walzt up to the that stupid clif and say that he loves her and that he always has when it was only ever iluded that he even thought that much about her in the last half of the war. And for her to so easily accept because when her whole arc is about her feelings for the guy isn't it only fair that they end up together.

Where is the interconnectivity, the care from him. Where is him looking at her the same way she looks up to him. How is the fanservice show better at writing a strong heroen! A strong partnership!

I'm so tried. I'm so sorry to everyone that's watch shonen and are expecting this out of female characters. That it's typical for the romance plot to be given to the girl and the big moments where I seen love intrest shine are given to the "rival." Ochako deserves better.

[ripplestitchskein]

Sorry for yet another, “Listen guys, it could be so much worse, my fandom related trauma has made me appreciate scraps. My personal bar is literally on the floor” posts but I am genuinely happy with the MHA ending. I get why people are not though. Audiences want finality. They want commitment. They want closure and resolution.

But considering the genre of MHA, the common tropes of the medium, the cultural and capitalistic concerns at play… MHA did a lot. Shonen Jump was never going to go for a canonically queer ship in their biggest property my guys, they just weren’t. So bearing that in mind, that it was never going to be explicit, your alternatives are ambiguity, punishment by the narrative via permanent character death, or canon surprise heterosexuality ala Naruto.

I’m gonna take ambiguous “fic can make this better” endings over permanent character death or like a Deathly Hallows epilogue any day. I’m certainly going to take it over “Yeah they were hella gay the whole time but here is the wife they barely had any interaction with and their 2.5 children that prove they fucked at least once.” Like yeah obviously explicit canon scenes are always gonna be better and more satisfying but the absence of them in any one direction, the ambiguity that is left to individual interpretation, especially in this genre of manga, is honestly a huge win for me personally. That HK went out of his way to not canonize Izuku/Ochako and to highlight Bakugou’s contribution especially and have him be the hand that brings Deku back to being a hero speaks very loudly. HK is not unaware of the popularity of the ship and a creator who has thier hands tied by thier distributor making the decision to not explicitly kill it IS a win. He could have very easily done the “I assure you this fruity little gremlin is straight. Look at his girlfriend! She has huge tits! Yes he sure does love women! Yessiree, ignore all the homoerotic subtext and the like yearning and weird focus on hands, and like being willing to literally die for his also very straight counterpart.”

The move when a content distributor wants to squash a ship is doubling down not “What if we left it kinda vague but heavily implied it?”

And it is such a good ambiguity. Enough detail to world build but not to preclude headcanons. And the fic possibilities jfc.

Like, the angst potential of Izuku thinking he got left behind because Bakugou and everyone else was working to make his dreams a reality will launch a thousand fics. Bakugou working tirelessly to make that dream a reality? Keeping himself away from Izuku to raise himself in the ranks and financially to buy this dream, no distractions but missing his partner. You can feast for years on an 8 year jump with patchy communication. and what comes after, the awkward relearning each other and catching up, the will they won’t they now that they are working together again. Omg.

I’m just saying the “And everyone did a cool thing related to their character arcs but the specifics of their interpersonal relationships is up to you to fill in, The End” finale is loads better than the alternatives imo and really suited the story overall.

[doodlegirl1998]

Izuku's backstory was severely overlooked.

To the point where it effects his character and certain things going unmentioned.

But I think the one thing that gets unmentioned the most is how he feels about love and romance.

Now I know romance isn't a strong point in Shonen, but I feel it could've been used effectively and really give some depth in Izuku's story.

Like have it be revealed that he probably doesn't feel worthy of being in a romantic relationship because his way of thinking is this

"Who would ever wanna get with a quirkless nobody like me?"

And

"Who would ever wanna get with someone who's quirk hurts him and makes him a liability?"

Have a flashback where a girl asked him out and it turns out to have been a cruel prank to humiliate him for ever believing someone could love him.

Sure he has an idea for a date, but that doesn't mean he can't imagine what being in a relationship would be like.

It's half the reason why I don't like Izuocha since she expresses how she feels about him but we never see if he even feels the same way.

Hi @theloganator101 👋

Definitely agree with this. There's lots of missed opportunities with Izu especially given his backstory.

If Hori actually acknowledged Izu's backstory, this could have been an interesting plot line with IzuOcha to go down.

I mentioned to you in another post where you spoke about this - that I feel like "I must push my feelings down" would canonically fit more with Izu than Ocha regarding his feelings for her. I could see Izu feeling like he doesn't deserve her / not wanting to lose her friendship if things go wrong. Add on your idea about a girl asking Quirkless!Izu out as a joke (which I could see happening - kids are cruel) and that would neatly explain why Izu hasn't asked out Ocha despite liking her a lot.

In canon, Hori avoids mentioning Izu's backstory like the plague because it would reveal / remind the audience that Bkg is a POS to Izu.

Protecting BKG, to Hori, seems to come above his MC and all aspects of his life - exploring Izu's backstory and past quirklessness? Exploring IzuOcha? Exploring both Ocha and Iida (Izu's first real friends)? All ignored to protect Bkg or give him focus that he doesn't deserve.

Poor Izu. Bakugou is a cancer on his life and the story of MHA as a whole.

[sherylhooper]

If BNHA ends like Naruto did and Izuocha becomes new Naruhina, I'd better start stocking up bottles of wine to get fucking drunk!!

I swear to god, if this manga ends in such underwhelming way, I'll have to ask mangakas how do they manage to fucking do that!! Cuz there has to be some kind of bullshitery skill!

AOT, Tokyo Ghoul, Naruto, etc.. many, many manga has ended in such way and honestly, I think it'a time that even after years I really should get used to Code Geass having THE BEST ENDING in anime history (ft. Kimetsu no Yaiba, kind of, but then again the author is a woman and she rockes for it, even if it was kinda rushed).

Lelouch, you and Suzaku's ending will always be iconic, fr. Imagine dying at your bff's hands while you also make him take up your secret identity. King Emperor behavior!

Once again, Hiroshiki wtf are you doing with the ending???

[imaginarylungfish]

the thing about the mha ship war of izuocha vs bakudeku is that the former being canon is normal but the latter? monumental. huge. meaningful. potentially life-saving. and i don't think the straights understand that.

like this isn't bella-must-pick-between-two-socially-acceptable-partners (in the fact that they are both men). this is: are we staying with the norm because we have to (izuocha) vs. can we give the gays a win (bakudeku)?

if deku was a girl, i 100% believe people would see the canon validity of bakudeku more and see ochaco as someone with an unrequited crush.

queer people have been told we are delusional about ships our whole lives. most queer ships never make it to mainstream. (we have to be delusional in order to see queer representation in media).

we are relegated to LGBTQ, BL, or GL categories. god forbid the general public have gays or lesbians in their normal stories! that must be separated!

so idk that's why i think these ship wars are so heated. queers are fighting for representation while straights are just fighting.

[rururi-chan]

Hi

It's not my real name but call me rururi pls i'm new to tumblr and i'd like to introduce myself

I was always browsing tumblr bc i wanted to make a blog sooooo badly anyways here's my intro

(Also i'm looking 4 moots)

Age:29

Fandoms:pokemon, digimon, fairy tail, my hero academia, demon slayer, inuyasha

Otps:graylu(ofc) bixanna, lories, kacchako, dekulissa, midotsuyu, inonezu, tanaoi, inukik, inusan, kogkag, egoshipping, negaishipping, sorato, daikari.

Notps(if u like any of these i'd prefer of u not to interact):gruvia, nalu, natza, grayza, izuocha, bakudeku, kiribaku, zennezu, takari, daiyako, kenyako, inukag, kogaya, mirsan

Also shout out to @grayluforever i agree w u on so many things

[ammy246]

For all you Kiribaku/Tododeku/Izuocha's who are Bakudeku-anti's, let me ask you all a question: when's the last time your ship interacted with each other in the manga?

Because Bakudeku are very relevant in the current manga, while yours are hardly ever acknowledged by Horikoshi and even if they are, it is only small moments that are brief, while Bakudeku's are always during very important scenes.

I hate to be that person, but somebody's gotta tell it to you straight: Bakudeku has way more of a chance of becoming canon than your ship, and if you haven't already accepted that, you should start to, so your heart doesn't get broken when yours doesn't. Speaking as a former sns, so I know what I'm talking about when I say that. It is OK if you like those ships, but stop bashing on Bakudeku. It just makes you look illiterate and jealous if you don't understand/accept it by now. You might as well stop watching/reading the series if you hate it, because Horikoshi has made it clear it's not going anywhere.

[bibibbon]

One thing that makes me laugh about Hori's world building is the question are heroes allowed to kill, since Hori is a coward who can't decide, it disrupts the world building to an absurd degree. If Izuku had aimed to kill Tomura from the start, then Hori's narrative would have rewarded him. Izuku would still have OFA, possibly Ochako as his girlfriend and applauded as a great hero. The standard hero ending. But Izuku tries to save Tomura and fails miserably and is forgotten by his friends and the public. What is Hori trying to tell us? Kill then ask questions later? Based on the story Izuku should have taken Gran Torino's advice, he would be sad in the short term but he would have been happier and forgotten about the LOV.

Hi @agentterios 👋

MHA'S whole narrative messaging around the subject of "are heroes allowed to kill?" Is presented in an incredibly confusing and unsatisfactory manner.

Horikoshi doesn't directly address the question however, he does indirectly address it by introducing a variety of elements to his story surrounding the question itself.

You have things like:

The development of nomu intelligence. By the nomu's developing basic human intelligence this makes it so that the line between being human and a nomu so incredibly slim that if well developed this plot point could of been tied to heteamorphis discrimation with a side of people taking the route of one has to look human and another side pointing out that humans don't have a specific look in mha. There could also be more development with endings point of the only difference between nomu's and humans is that one is a puppet. This would make civilians question societies expectations for what a human is and would the heroes kill them next because they are comfortable with killing nomu's who are almost like them

Hawks and twice. I have talked about hawks and twice a numerous amount of times but my point still stands hawks could of saved twice instead of killing him. Yes, hawks did try in the beginning of the fight and his mission to semi try and save twice as his intention was to never kill him until dabi intervened and hawks lost it reverting to what the hpsc taught him and taking out the danger infront of him. Now, hawks should of had more introspection on this decision realising that he could of saved twice yet didn't and couldn't because he viewed himself not to be fast or capable enough to stop twice and chose to revert to instincts and the hpsc teachings of killing to dispose of the threat. Hawks could easily link his experiences and give advice to izuku about shigaraki. Hawks also needed more public consequences about killing twice because why the hell is the public more concerned about hawk's villain father then the fact that he killed a man? Was this to show where societies priorities are at? How messed up they are? And if it was why wasn't this brought back up?

Lady nagant. We needed more of lady nagant in general. The way she was used and created to be a killing machine. The way she only killed those who didn't fit the status quo even izuku's own reaction to her killing needs to be studied. The way izuku didn't have much of a reaction to her killing people but he had a huge reaction to finding out that she specifically killed the previous minister of the hpsc makes me think that hero society has a huge belief thay certain lives are much more important than others and that ranking is never fully explained but it seems like the outcasts of society like twice and the people lady nagant killed aren't important and wouldn't evoke a huge reaction to people because they don't care for them and hero society has infulenced that belief.

Izuku and shigaraki . This is the biggest element in the story and the most underdeveloped in my opinion. Why does izuku want to save shigaraki? Why does shigaraki only want destruction? Everyone encouraged izuku to kill shigaraki and believed that his death would be the only way to stop everything and in a way they were right. Shigaraki had to die for this to be over and it just seemed so badly done. Izuku gets labeled as a murder but also praised (barely) for his actions. Its so weird, how am I supposed to expect that society is going to rebuild itself to a better version when it ended in the most repetitive and toxic way by killing and upholding the status quo.

Endeavour and his aggressiveness. Enji has multiple records of flipping attempted murder whether that be him viewing vigilantes and villains as objects to be easily killed like nomu's or the fact that he cannocially has many reports of property damages.

Dabi's fate. My point stands that death would of been mercy for poor dabi. So are there cases when killing should happen or should all villains be forced to live even if it has to be through horrible circumstances like dabi's? At this point it seemed like toga's death was a better ending then dabi's.

In conclusion, mha's status quo was never really broken or rebuilt into a better version and the discussion surrounding the question should heroes kill? Was never properly answered or changed.

The series begins with the answer that Yes! Heroes can kill but they can only kill villains and rejects of society while keeping all of this away from the public eye. However, if it is in the public eye just dehumanise the victim, its not like hero society didn't continually threaten villains with all the graffiti in toga's House or the publics reaction to dabi.

(Ps I do think that izuku was handed the short stick and would of suffered either way. Even with the horrible execution the series make it clear that izuku chose a thorny, hard path but what's worse is that the path doesn't seem to be worth it or hasn't changed anything)

Also izuku's whole arc doesn't depend on him having a love interest and a quirk because he could be a hero without those things it's the execution that sucks

[z-mizcellaneous-z]

For the ship ask game

IzuOcha (Izuku Midoriya and Ochako Uraraka from My Hero Academia)

HELLOOOO, I haven't had an ask for the bingo in a while. ANYWHOS

Platonically? I fucking LOVE izuocha. Their dynamic is so fun and interesting, both when it comes to hero work and general teen shenanigans.

Romantically, though?

Nope. Never.

The issue with romantic izuocha for me is honestly mainly the fact that their romantic dynamic is so...bland. You can find so many varying izuocha dynamics that SEEM to be right, because you can project anything/everything onto them. On top of that, I feel that romantic izuocha flattens Ochako's character to the superficial "she's doing heroic stuff because she loves Izuku!!" and then never exploring beyond that, when that's so far from the truth.

And of course, the shippers.

When I first joined the MHA fandom, I went from shipping nobody to bkdk, and I was indifferent to izuocha. I was like "eh. it's cute i guess, but not for me. whatever."

The shippers are who absolutely ruined it for me, to the point that I block izuocha artists and fic writers, because I know as soon as I open comments/tags, it will be FILLED with insult after insult towards bkdk, even though the art/fic doesn't even MENTION them.

I get hate from bkdk haters, from time to time. They're always either krbk shippers, or izuocha, and the izuocha shippers have ALWAYS been worse. Every single time.

I literally started to avoid krbk too, because I'd see izuocha shippers and assumed krbk would be the same.

Eventually though, I started getting krbk art and drabbles on my dash, and I started warming up to it a lot, because of the shippers. They made me go from actively avoiding to actually enjoying, reblogging, and sometimes even FOLLOWING krbk artists on here.

And yeah, that's my two cents lol. Thank you for the ask, anon! I hope you have a good day.

(also, I'm not saying ALL izuocha shippers are toxic. What I AM saying is all izuochas who I've run into on here/have interacted with me have been some incredibly rude, toxic people, who ruined a part of fandom for me.)

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[helios-co]

Your stupidity is rancid

"Izuocha is most likely to be canon 🤡" why don't you go sit in the corner with the manga and see if you can summon an OUNCE of common sense.

[mythicamagic]

i don't even mind izuch@ko as the canon ship but this makes me so salty and increases my liking for kacchako and kirikacchako

Yeahh I saw this uploaded the other day- man speaks truth. I've felt the exact same way tbh ever since Uraraka's first blushes after season 2 and I mentally groaned and realised - ohh...so this is another of the uninspired 'main guy gets main girl' pairing huh.

Dunno why I expected any better from shonen romance though. It really is a shame that Bones keeps forcing Uraraka into this romantic lens though- as in the manga she's moved on from this constant mooning phase over Deku, or at least that's what I've read on Twitter from Uraraka stans. Uraraka from season 2 will forever be best bnha girl for me tho and I'll hold onto her in a death grip even if she is paired up with someone that makes my eyes roll into the back of my head. It's not that I hate the ship, it's that the romance truly does a disservice to Uraraka when her whole world revolves around Deku. Can't stand it. She was amazingly refreshing as a hero-in-training who was just in it for the money, but was doing so for her parents. I still stan you Uraraka (at least fanfics treat you rite)

[doodlegirl1998]

I know I already expressed my dislike towards the Izuocha ship, but there was one thing that bothered me about it that I didn't realize until recently.

Is that Ochako is the one blushing and being flustered around Izuku.

From what we saw in the beginning, she was the more outgoing and approachable of the two while Izuku was more introverted and shy.

So what the fuck changed?

If anything, it should've been the other way around and have Izuku slowly developed feelings for her since we never get any introspective on how he really feels about her beyond seeing her as a friend.

But on another hand, it could've been an interesting plot point in having Izuku cling onto the first person who was nice to him and show how that can be a bit unhealthy since he was deprived of that for so long. And eventually learn that it's unhealthy and grow past that.

Hi @theloganator101 👋,

I completely agree. The one sided-ness of IzuOcha as well as Ocha 'surpressing her feelings' bugs me.

As you rightly pointed out - Ocha began more confident and freely expressing her feelings while Izu was flustered and shy around her.

Having Izu being the one to push away his feelings due to a misplaced sense of shame/ fear of ruining the friendship/ low self worth would have made WAY more sense with his backstory than Ocha doing this.

In fact, when Ocha began doing this it made so little sense for her character it needed further exploration. Is it...

A) the affects of Aizawa's poor teaching stopping her from confessing?

B) the fear of losing her friendship with Izu stopping her from confessing?

Or C) some sort of hidden self esteem issue of her own that she and Izu could have bonded over?

*Shrugs* We don't know. The only explanation given was that she "must push these feelings down to put [her] hero career first."

Ok, but heroes in relationships are commonplace they even have families of their own like the Todoroki's and the Iida's - so that reasoning is flimsy and falls to bits under the slightest bit of scrutiny.

Also as this is meant to be the endgame pairing, Hori really should have shown Izu as falling in love with Ocha too because at the moment I really don't get the impression he likes her back at all.

I get the impression Izu views her as more of an acquaintance / distant friend with how separate Hori has torn them apart in the narrative and the lack of focus he has given IzuOcha and Ocha as a character.

Both ideas you have put forth for Izu, Ocha and this pairing would have worked so much better than what we got in canon.

[dekusheroacademia]

I only had one remaining online friend who shipped izuocha and they left the ship too. They were not a multishipper, but this shitty izuocha fandom bullied them for a literal opinion on a non ship related tweet. So they are also done.

Izuocha really wins for the shippers that manages to disgust and turn away the highest number of fans.

Can't believe I actually bought the izuocha fanzine.... I don't want anything to do with it anymore, the hell am i suposed to do with it