#Anti Stiles Stans

[princeescaluswords]

The Eternal Contradiction

Another day in the Teen Wolf fandom, another story (among thousands of similar stories) where Fanon Stiles is SO offended, SO hurt, SO unbelievably angry that Scott would believe Theo, the boy who had done nothing but try to save the life of every member of his pack, over Stiles, whose reputation as someone who lies to get out of trouble was established in the first episodes of Season 1, that Stiles would just commit murder when it came to Donovan Donati ...

that Stiles actually commits cold-blooded murder.

You see, it's not that Stiles-stans didn't want Stiles to commit cold-blooded murder, they just are outraged that Scott thinks he has the right to his own emotional reaction to it. And that's all its ever been about.

[rowinablx]

Derek didn't shove Stiles hard at all, he grabbed his shirt and Stiles basically jumped fifty feet in the air in surprise. Derek wasn't abusive at all

[vicontheinternet]

Fandoms you couldn’t pay me to join even though I either really do like the show, did once or have been interested but for whatever reasons have been turned off by its fandom in no order

9-1-1 (did watch but fell off vapid fandom)

Buddie (no)

Bridgertom (was interested vapid racist fandom I find shonda Rimes to be very...)

Greys anatomy (did watch fell off vapid fandom with hints of racism)

Japril (I hate this ship with a passion mostly because their stans are annoying and turned me off)

Atla cartoon (comfort show vapid vapid fandom)

Anti legend of korra ( I have a love hate relationship with this show)

Driven (I do like them on a surface level but some of their fans can be intense) you will never get me to interact with driven content one I’ve seen multiple post attacking musa for being with riven or or calling musa ugly (she’s a cartoon character) or calling Darcy’s “spell” a dubbing issue while that might be true atp I’m over driven

Klaroline (jesus fucking christ sorry for using your in vain but this ship stans I once saw a fanfic that made caroline a original heretic and she was in the box instead of ester I'll give the points for originality but if they were to do a heretic bonnie was right there you know the wich that already had powers

Anti jegulus ( im not entering a fandom where the couple is written ooc to be together atp they are whole different characters) not trying to yuck someone yum

Sterek (these are some of the most annoying fanbase they don't even like these characters fr because rewrite them to make them so ooc that they are new characters. Why would stiles be in derek pack)

Stiles (I'm not going to lie I used to like stiles but his stans ruined him for me they were insuffible he could do no wrong in their eyes. All because he's a white snarky/sarcastic boy. Dont let write a crossover then they'll make him the most powerful being in the universe. Crossover with tvd/to he's loss mikealson crossover with supernatural hes either a Winchester that has demon blood also or an angel. They think that stile would be a better werewolf then Scott when everything in the show has told us that if he was the that had been the that had been bit his eyes would been blue by the end of season 1. And don't get me started on the friend subject)

The mcu (I used to love the mcu and watch every release but it became quantity over quality and its downfall for me was very sad)

Wanda maximoff and wandavision (I could make a whole video on the whole rollercoaster of thoughts I had on wanda and wandavision because like the mcu I liked both then I didn't. The decent of wandavision was more gradual with wandavision it was episodic to me it was a let down and didn't make sense while I thought Elizabeth Olsen acting was good the writing was not it find out that the writers were swayed not to look at the source material for the show because kevin fegie didn't want them to be influenced although that's the whole point because you're making a supposed comic book adaptation then there's the alleged part reshoot that happened because ppl guessed the ending and let's not forget the whitewashing of Wanda and peitro maximoff who are canonically romani and the mcu deliberately changed it to a made up country somewhere remotely European and made wanda a knock off Jean grey (red hair, pale skin, mind powers) for over ten years so bad that it started to influence the comics

Tony stark (hes a war profiteer, his fans infantilize him. They recognize his PTSD and mental problems only. His side of civil war was dead wrong and ppl to this day will not accept that even if you explain it to then like they are 2. Come onguys the un is useless even iron man knew he was wrong he broke the accords three times in the movie and kidnapped a child to fight adult that he had no business fighting. Also his fans are insane)

Specifically black arianitors that excuse everything thing that grow women does (now I don't dislike her or hate her but man her fanbase is annoying as hell especially the black ones it's like the one non black person who does problematic shit but has a lot black ppl in their corner rooting for them so when they do something out of pocket they don't even have to say anything they're black friends do it for them)

Taylor swift (need I could say more mind you I like some of her songs)

Obx/jaira - yall are psychotic!!!!!!! Yall have been tweaking over fictional characters for a few days

[booker-le-livre]

Me, whenever I look at the Teen Wolf tag:

[thyfggfy]

Thank you for sharing this in the scott mccall tag. I am sure all of us scott fans are VERY interested in the take of some random ass fujoshi 🙃

I love when people make Scott the bad friend in fics. I know Scott is such a puppy in most peoples eyes and they say that it hasn't been easy for him but FUCK that. IMO he was such a bad friend to Stiles. He was so quick to shoot Stiles theories down and ignore him when Stiles was always the first one there for him. I love fics where Derek and his pack take Stiles in and Scott is just confused but we all know why. Like yes, push Stiles away so Derek can pick up the pieces. Stiles joining the Hale pack is one of my fav tags. Idk. I just also didn't like Scott at all in the show.

[princeescaluswords]

Lol @ the people saying you're "bringing race into fandom". Transports me right back to 11th grade English when our teacher (instead of sacrificing us to the Nemeton) tried to teach us about analyzing race in popular media texts like Disney movies, and everyone in the class (bar myself and like 3 other people who had brains) started going on about how the critics she was having us read/watch were "bringing race into it". Like come on. This is grade school level theory. Read a book, people.

You want to know how I know that race is involved in the Sterek fandom?

Isaac Lahey.

(Before anyone gets upset, I appreciate Isaac's character as much as I appreciate Derek's and Stiles's characters, which is quite a bit.)

Let's review. Isaac is indeed abused and terrorized by his father, the same way Scott is abused and terrorized by Peter. Isaac threatens Stiles and bullies Stiles and Jackson far more than Scott "mistreats" Stiles and Jackson. He makes fun of Stiles and refuses to listen to him. Isaac resists Derek's teaching, to the point that Derek hurts him to teach him a lesson (the same way Derek hurts Scott to teach him a lesson). Isaac dates a hunter, Allison, and follows her through the woods and sneaks into her house. Isaac learns from Alan Deaton. Isaac refuses to be a part of the Hale Pack, like Scott does, but unlike Scott, he originally agreed to take the Bite and join the pack. In the end, he leaves Beacon Hills with Chris Argent, an actual hunter without a single word to either his alpha or his former-alpha.

So where the hell are all the Bad Friend Isaac stories?

I mean, if the nearly two-thousand tagged Bad Friend Scott Stories and the ten times as many stories that write Scott as a Bad Friend but don't label it are a result of Scott's on-screen behavior, then shouldn't there be at least a thousand stories that deal with Isaac in the same way? I would confidently estimate that there are less than a hundred. I can say with less confidence that there are less than fifty. There are even less that turn him into an antagonist or even a villain who must be punished, deprived of freedom, or murdered. I doubt you would break ten.

So what's the deal? If this has nothing to do with race and Sterek stories just require a bad-friend antagonist or an ineffectual villain, then it stands to reason that Isaac would sometimes fill that role, doesn't it?

Of course, their answer is that they don't like Scott, and I agree they have a right not to like Scott. But the funny thing is they won't -- they can't -- explain why they don't like Scott. It can't be because he acts as a selfless hero, because so do Derek and Stiles. It can't be because he says mean things to Derek, because they don't have any problem liking Isaac or Peter or Stiles. It can't be because he never listens to Stiles, because since when does any character always listen to Stiles? It can't be because he's in a problematic heterosexual relationship, because they don't have any problem with Isaac's or Derek's or Stiles's problematic heterosexual relationships.

And so on and so forth.

It's not just because he's the lead protagonist, because Scott being the Teen Wolf offers no obstacle at all to a Sterek relationship. He canonically loved both Stiles and Derek, and they loved him in return. But what Scott being the lead protagonist proves an obstacle for is either Stiles or Derek actually being the lead protagonist. The show was built around a Latino character and not the two white characters that this fandom has conjured a whole relationship about.

It's not -- nor has it ever been -- about what happened on the screen that causes people to dislike Scott. It's been about what didn't happen on the screen. Derek and Stiles had nearly ten times the amount of pre-canon flashbacks than Scott did, but that's not enough. You never saw Scott taking a few days or weeks off to contemplate his place in the world while sad classical music played in the background, but that's not enough. Melissa and Deaton always told Scott how he could be a better werewolf instead of getting his parking tickets erased or told that the easiest way to forgive himself is to forgive someone who didn't do anything to him, but that's not enough. Scott never got to beat Derek up because his decisions in Season 2 ruined his relationship with Allison, not the way Stiles got to hit Scott for his father getting hurt, but that's not enough. For as much as these white male characters received in terms of story, they still weren't the lead protagonist, and this creates the only explanation for the profound animosity which they exhibit toward Scott, one which they will claim the right to have but also feel they never ever have to explain. In addition, there is only one thing, no matter how much they can't say, that we must always remember.

BUT IT'S NOT RACISM.

[winterstarfall]

the most stupid stunt the stiles stilinski teen wolf fanbase ever pulled was making people think scott was a bad friend. give me one example of him Ever dismissing any of his friends and no you can’t include moments of battle or him telling his Visibly Unwell friends to go home and rest. or when theo was manipulating him.

[domesticated-feral]

i watch teen wolf for the plot; scott 'hot damn' mccall

[thyfggfy]

Booooo.Nobody wants you here. Get the fuck out.

It's Scott and Stiles. Do you really wanna try applying logic to those two?

[darkshrimpemotions]

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[rowinablx]

"Derek and Stiles hated each other!!!!" Stiles literally became Derek's anchor you idiot

[multifandom-lesbian09]

The thing I hate about anti Stereks (I’m an anti Sterek btw) is that a lot of them are also anti Stiles. I mean I get that some Stiles stans are like incredibly annoying and try to put ALL of the attention on him, but that doesn’t make the CHARACTER bad. It’s like anti Destiels being anti Cas because some people like him more than Sam. Like come on guys people can have favorite characters.

[brydeswhale]

It’s honestly, like, no fucking manners these days. If I wrote a rant where I talked about Arya stand trying to take over Sansa’s role as Queen In The North, I would tag it anti-Arya. Actually, I have written those rants about Stiles Stan’s and I tagged it anti-stiles.

People come here from twitter or TikTok and they don’t bother to learn the etiquette. It’s repulsive.

[loganwritesprobably]

Not a Stiles stan, nor a Scott anti, but a secret third thing

(Autistic, trans and projecting)

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Yes the teen wolf movie is trash id be more surprised if it wasn’t but the doesn’t give dob/stiles/sterek stan’s the audacity to be this annoying. The way they have a hate boner for Scott for not being the “fan favorite” and thinking that’s why Scott fans are mad (my guy scott is the main character so ofc ppl are going to be thinking of him as a main) or just not liking tp (which dislike an actor all you want just don’t let it blend to the character) or just liking stiles because he has the personality of “sassy” wonder bread in the likes of tony stark

[princeescaluswords]

I mean it was so ridiculous easy to disprove!

Stiles was wrong about Deaton -- twice. Once he thought Deaton was the alpha and once he thought he was the Darach.

Stiles was wrong about Derek; he thought he killed Laura.

Stiles had a whole list of people he thought was the Darach and it was completely wrong.

His instincts were wrong about Kira and Liam.

But the most telling thing, the most unforgivable omission -- he was 'wrong' about himself. He swore to Scott that he was still himself and Scott believed him.

And it got Scott tortured. Whenever they say "Scott never believes Stiles!" they always forget about the time that Scott did believe in Stiles and it nearly got him killed.

But they never remember that. Or, more precisely, they just don't care. Because it was never about Scott having faith in Stiles. It was about Scott knowing his place, and that was to do what Stiles told him. (Until he urged Scott to kill him to stop the nogitsune. Then Scott's not supposed to do what Stiles told him.)

‘stiles is usually right about people and scott never believes him’

‘stiles was right about matt stiles was right about theo’

he was wrong multiple times???

also why does this fandom make it a crime that scott didn’t automatically wish death upon every human being not named stiles stilinski

why don’t we ever talk about how much of a mess stiles was when it came to scott socialising with other people like allison and isaac and liam and even theo and derek

why is that never the basis for saying stiles was a bad friend

it’s almost as if when it comes to stiles people can tolerate complexities within relationships and accept that people change and things haunt us and we’re loved even when we’re not the ideal versions of ourselves— but when it comes to scott mccall if it’s not endless devotion then he’s the worst fucking person alive