#Anti Donna Paulsen
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I made suits Barbie posters! (No spoilers im on season 8 PLEASE-)
sorry for the anti katrina shit sheâs just kinda on my nerves rn
#suits tv#suits#harvey specter#mike ross#rachel zane#donna paulsen#jessica pearson#louis litt#anti katrina bennet
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I love this!!!! I also feel like she gives Child of Divorce energy a bit and I really like the hc of her parents relationship contributing to her issues with stability (the darvey stability/loyalty pairing makes me INSANE)
I also think her sister is roughly 10 yrs older and I wonder if she's a half sister or if she's closer to mom bc Dad seems closer to donna somehow?? To your point about Harvey seeing Donna's loyalty to her dad clearly but not his own, CRAZY!!!!! She also seems to have a kind of lack of trust in her mom after her childhood had these disappointments, personally I'm a Jim Paulsen Anti (lmao) but I think it's fascinating how both Harvey and Donna have these blindspots when it comes to their dads.
Also interesting that you think it was an on again off again relationship!!! I just love hearing ppls thoughts bc I think the way Donna's parents were mentioned and incorporated in the show was disjointed in a way Harvey's parents obviously weren't (they were so core to his character from day one) so I like thinking about how we can piece together the canon bits we have into something semi coherent.
okay i think about this a lot but what do you think donna's relationship is like with her parents and her sister and do you have any conception of the timeline of her parents separation and what do you think the sister's deal is
i mean likeâŠ. i was wholly convinced donnas whole thing was Child Of Divorce like when she talked about her mom and her moms boyfriend coming over (in 4x15 intent) like i always assumed donnas parents were long divorced. and in s5 when her dad is in legal trouble and theres all those flashbacks about her dad like theres no mention of her mom (or her sister for that matter) so it seemed like her mom was out of the picture
but also harvey mentions donnas parents staying at his condo in s1 which implies they were together before the show started
one thing i really really liked though is when harvey tells donna âyou cant see your fathers faults cus youre putting him on a pedestal!â i was like DAMNNNN GIRL LOOK IN THE MIRROR!!!! I LOVE THE FACT HARVEY CAN SEE IT IN DONNA AND HE CANT SEE IT IN HIMSELF!! LIKE THATS WHAT HARVEY DOES!!! HE WORSHIPS HIS OWN FATHER AND NEVER SAW HIS FLAWS!!! anyway i just loved how theyâre the saaaaameee there
im gonna say.. im gonna make the decision and say. i think donnas parents were separated for a long time, like years. and maybe even had an on again off again thing for a long time. like im gonna say they separated like when donna was in high school, like he lost all their money they started arguing and didnât stop and on top of having to move and go to a new school and being 14, donnas parents separated which was really really hard on her (im gonna talk about this later, but i think her sister is like 7-10 years older and is out of the house so donna couldnât even really talk to her while all this is going on)
and ok the important thing is. her parents never got divorced they only separated and started seeing other people. but also sometimes still seeing each other -> and like being a young adult, like donna was in high school and later college and witnessing that whole mess of her parents dating other people and each other, and maybe wanting to get divorced for real but never taking the plungeâŠ..really messed donna up and gave her her issues with intimacy and commitment (in her friendships and her romantic relationships)
but! but!!!! we also have to remember that donna wanted her parents back together!! donna worships her father and wants her parents to be happy (meaning together!) so like idk what donna thinks about her father as her mothers husband yknow like she does ask her mom âdid you regret it, trusting him?â about her mom trusting her dad with their money despite the fact he lost it allâŠidk where i was going with this the point is that they get back together and donna loves that, and tells harvey the story as some grand romantic story
okay back to her sister. i think her sister is much older than donna like she was out of the house most of donnas life. like if her sister is say, 8 years older than donna she would have left for college when donna was 10. and even before that yknow to have such a dramatic difference in age when donna was still a kid growing up her sister was in high school and probably not around that much⊠so i dont think theyre all that close
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I dont even know the character but if your Donna rants are as amusing as your Dumbledore rants, then Id love to hear them
Your kindness is much appreciated, anon. Honestly, Donna Paulsen isn't nearly on the level of someone like Albus Dumbledore. She would probably hate him. Hard to say, given how different their worlds are. Still, there are many different ways for a character to frustrate the audience. Donna isn't a horrible person. She's just...very annoying.
The main issue is that she is one of those characters that the show simply refuses to call out on her nonsense. In fact, it really, really wants you to like her, and attempts to portray her as this flawless superhero, this total badass...and it does this mostly through her own mouth. Half of her lines are just her stating that she's "awesome" usually because she figures things out or already knows things about other people. She always acts like she knows everything and tells other people what's right and wrong. So it's sort of like BBC's Sherlock in that sense. This would already be something that could get old after a while, but what truly kills Donna's likeability is how she totally doesn't actually meet that standard, like, at all. She massively fucks up all the time. At least once per season. It would be one thing if she grew from these incidents, or her portrayal changed because of them. But this doesn't happen. Every time, the show either A) treats her as the victim, B) tries to argue that she was right, or C) goes with the interpretation that yes, she was wrong, but it's a one time thing, and shouldn't be held against her with all of the good that she's done. Seriously, the line "One mistake in thirteen years." Comes up in Season 7 and I have to say...really?
In Season 1, she goes behind Harvey's back on the Cameron Dennis case, a betrayal that upsets him so much that he considers firing her. All she says in response is "You're welcome." In Season 2, she shreds that document and gets fired for it. She never accepts responsibility for this and to the end, keeps insisting that she did it for Harvey. In Season 3...eh, I'll give her a pass on the whole Stephen thing. He fooled everyone. But Season 4, oh boy. The Liberty Rail fiasco is one of her worst outings, especially considering that at the end of it all, Harvey got her out of it...and then she left him and went to work for Louis. And all because *checks clipboard* he wasn't sure if wanted to be more than friends? She literally just hires herself back as Harvey's secretary when Mike gets caught. "You saying you're coming back to me?" Uh Harvey, you do realize that you get a say in that? In Season 6, she has the whole "The Donna" storyline, which is...probably the worst arc on the show. It is just so beyond pointless. It reeks of seasonal rot. In Season 7, she gets herself appointed C.O.O. by using reverse psychology and asking for a Partnership she knows she can't have, and causing all kinds of drama...instead of just, y'know, asking. Then she kisses Harvey while he's dating Paula. And has the nerve to criticize how he reacts, and the choices he's made in his relationship. In Season 8, she breaks privilege for personal, selfish reasons...and gets away scot free. Harvey doesn't even care that she betrayed him at this point, he just minds that she "lost faith in him." And this? This is what ultimately gets them together? Please.
I stopped caring about Harvey and Donna's "will they/won't they" in Season 5. It was definitely the season that gave them the most development, before hitting the damn reset button by having Donna hire herself back. Because every "will they/won't they" ends the same way - yes, they will, in the last few episodes or the finale. Harvey and Donna's relationship in Season 9 was wholesome, sure. But it was too little, too late. In general, Donna has a lot of issues about her contributions to the firm. She feels unappreciated, clearly, because half of her lines are just her demanding other people (usually Harvey) recognize what she's done. Even after she found out that he paid her salary and even gave her raises that no other secretary got. There's definitely something to be said about Donna being led to believe she was more important than she is. That clearly affected her and they could have done something interesting if they explored it more. But I think all of the examples I provided are proof that she can be selfish. She loves to dig in her heels and insist that she's put Harvey first again and again for years. Trouble is...I can remember a lot of times she said this, but not that many times that she actually did it. Her actions speak louder than her words. She just feels like a very clear example of a character who the story really wants you to like, and practically instructs you to. Rose Tyler also comes to mind. Yet I don't feel like Donna came close to earning the pedestal that she was placed on.
The other characters made mistakes as well, but they were treated as human beings, not superheroes.
#Suits USA#Suits TV#Suits#Donna Paulsen#Harvey Specter#Darvey#Anti Donna Paulsen#Not exactly#Anti Darvey#But I'll tag it as such just in case
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Donna Paulsen has done more damage to that law firm than anyone else on the show. How many times has she screwed up and had everyone else sacrifice and cover for her? She never takes responsibility for her own stupidity and selfishness.
Also I miss Jessica!
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(Warning: anti Darvey and anti Donna. If you are a fan of either of those, you wonât like it.)
Tbh the main reason why I canât stand Darvey is that Harvey is totally not into it. And the reason why I am so mad about this kiss is that Donna jumped him as a last resort in the hope that a True Love Kiss will make him come to his senses and realize that they are soulmates.
Donna knows how she feels, and in spite of all the denial and how she refuses to take the hint, she also knows that Harvey doesnât want her. Her reaction? Kissing him to see if he changes his mind.
âNoâ doesnât mean âTake me, Iâm just stupidâ because he is a guy and she is âawesomeâ. Not letting him finish his sentences whenever he tries to say âI donât want to be with youâ doesnât mean getting consent.
If Harvey was a woman and Donna was a man people would be losing their shit over this. Donna has always been super-intrusive, and as much as he did take advantage of the chance to lean on her, she wanted him to, she never took any of the chances she had to leave him (except when she went to work with Louis. He had accepted it and surprise surprise she chose to go back), she found hope into being useful to him, it helped her hiding in her delusion that he would someday see the light, and now that he realized that he couldnât just leave things as they were without Donna demanding more, he tried not to rely on her anymore and as a result... she became even more invasive. And obsessed. She tried to cut herself a role into Harvey and Paulaâs relationship when she came to his office. She kissed him in spite of knowing a) of his issues with cheating b) that he didnât want that. Because he HAS to love her. He HAS to realize that they are soulmates. Thereâs no other option for her, they are MADE for each other and Harvey is just ânot readyâ to accept it, heâs being stubborn so in her mind Donna HAD to move things along, to MAKE him see.
Iâve seen people forever labelling men as Rapists, Abusers and The Literal Worst for less.
Harvey is not stupid, fucked-up or even simply wrong for not wanting Donna. He doesnât owe her romantic love. Nobody owes romantic love to anybody. But Donna is wrong, fucked-up and imo pretty disgusting for not accepting ânoâ as an answer.
#and i now people are going to get mad at this but at this point i just needed to get it off my chest in my own words#anti darvey#anti donna paulsen#not spn#suits#suits 7x10#suits spoilers#my meta#complaining
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Anyway Donna and Harvey slept together once in the first like, year of their friendship, woke up in the morning, looked at each other, went âokay fun times. Felt like I was having sex with my cousin. Weâre never doing that again.â and then they didnât.
#You know that scene in Jonathan Creek with Maddie and Jonathan going ânah that was weirdâ? Yeah#I got the sudden urge to watch Suits again after a year and I have Opinions#Suits#Harvey Specter#Donna Paulsen#anti Darvey#mine#yes i know they slept together when they first met i'm talking about after that
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I just got a flashback to that time in 'Suits' when whiter than white Donna said she was "black on the inside" and I cringed so hard I think I did myself an injury.
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âI want you in my lifeâ
#Harvey x Scottie#Suits usa#Suitsedit#SuitsUsa#anti darvey#Harvey Specter#Dana Scott#Gabriel Macht#Abigail Spencer#Donna Paulsen#Sarah Rafferty#As Candyumbrella says#this show is not rocket science
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my favorite female character: donna paulsen for sure but also scottie and jessica
my favorite male character: harvey unfortunately ljhgfdsa
my favorite book/season/etc: i never really rewatched the whole show so iâm bad with this but season 3 and 4?
my favorite episode (if its a tv show): the one that comes to mind is when harvey tells donna âyou know i love you donnaâ and then (i think itâs the next one or later in that one???) she quits and is like âi love you harveyâ THESE BITCHES
my favorite cast member: patrick is fun but also gabriel, the two of them supreme
my favorite ship: darvey, mike/rachel, scarvey
a character Iâd die defending: SCOTTIE MORE PEOPLE NEED TO LOVE HER
a character I just canât sympathize with: iâm blanking but but daniel hardman yeah what a bastard
a character I grew to love: louis lkjhgfdsa heâs like your annoying cousin that you want to smack at every chance but when someone else does it youâll go to war
my anti otp: katrina and the intern i forgot his name lmao the married one just no dude
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Ever since I began watching the good kind of television (not to sound anti-national but it was American), TV shows took precedence over movies in my life. They had longer and more stories to tell. They could experiment with characters, settings, relationships, and if youâve watched Supernatural then youâll know, even form and structure. Most importantly, they felt never-ending. You could curl up in bed with one that had a solid 5+ seasons, and it was escapist heaven. Alas, all good things, including good television, must come to an end. And this week, it was Suits, the series finale of which aired on Colors Infinity in India on September 26.
It was 2011. And of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, Mike Ross (Patrick J. Adams) walked into the hotel suite where Harvey Specter (Gabriel Macht) was conducting associate interviews for Harvard attorneys. The rest, as they say, is history.
Now I know if either of them were reading this, theyâd love how I slipped in the Casablanca reference in there. In fact, they might even argue over which one of them would be Humphrey Bogart (Harvey) and which one would be Ingrid Bergman (Mike). And that right there, the instant chemistry between Harvey and Mike, which eventually evolved into bromance, and finally brotherhood, to this day remains the heart of Suits for many. Theyâve got that Tony Stark-Peter Parker vibe!
Suits started off as a cocky S.O.B, much like its primary lead, Harvey Specter. In fact, rarely have I seen a showâs trajectory share so many traits with its characters. In Season 1, Suits was fierce like Jessica Pearson (Gina Torres), impatient like Louis Litt (Rick Hoffman), incredibly smart and sassy like Mike Ross, intuitive like Donna Paulsen (Sarah Rafferty) and determined to prove itself like Rachel Zane (Meghan Markle).
People began watching Suits because Harveyâs alpha male was sexy, and his Batman and Robin act (banter et al.) with associate Mike Ross was fun. They watched it because they found Jessica and Donna to be formidable women that every man respected and every woman wanted to be. They watched it because Mike and Rachelâs love story was as hot as it was beautiful.
And now, eight years and nine seasons later, as we bid farewell to the firm that weâve known by many namesâPearson Hardman, Pearson, Pearson Darby, Pearson Darby Specter, Pearson Specter, Pearson Specter Litt, Specter Litt, Zane Specter Litt, Zane Specter Litt Wheeler Williams, Specter Litt Wheeler Williams and Specter Litt Williams Bennett (final for five years at least)âit is incredible to see how these characters have evolved with the showâs storyline.
When we get to Suits Season 9 Episode 10, itâs the final lap of Samantha Wheeler (Katherine Heigl) v. Faye Richardson (Denise Crosby). Despite Fayeâs treacherous traps, the team manages to sidestep and pull one last con. In the end, it requires the best closer in town, Harvey Specter, to step into the ring. And since happy endings are a binding precedent when it comes to series finales, you know this means Faye is gone and allâs fine with Pearson Specter Wheeler Williams. Or is it? Because thereâs a twist right around the corner. And the promos will tell you, as are two weddings and one childbirth!
Itâs the bittersweet ending of your dreams, as you watch Harvey and Donna make a move to Seattle to be with Mike and Rachel, leaving the firm in the hands of some old and some new blood. It is a testament to the Season 9 storyline, about people facing the consequences of doing whatever it takes to win a case, that the naming partners we see at the end of the show are all at least willing to play by the book. But of course, the real moments worth focusing on has to be Mike âinterviewingâ Harvey, putting his eidetic memory to excellent use by recreating his own interview all the way from Season 1! I dare you not to shed tears as you smile over this!
And then youâll wish you had someone holding your hand like Donna held Louisâ as she bid goodbye.
In fact, Iâll go so far as saying that Harvey Specter may be a slick closer, but when it comes to series endings, fan service is the best closer in town. No matter how rushed and hurried or ridiculous your final season may appear, if the last ever episode is piled up with fan service moments, then youâre let off the hook. All a fan really wants is to have enough chances to relive it all and say goodbye. And thatâs exactly what show creator Aaron Korsch gave us.
The final few episodes were brimming with callbacks to the earlier seasons. Dr Lipschitz (Ray Proscia) came back, Harvey teased Louis by calling him the Prince of England (a subtle nod to HRH the Duchess of Sussex, perhaps?). And all the casual ways Mike, Harvey and Donna brought up Mikeâs fraud tied it all up in a nice bow. It felt nostalgic to revisit some of the badass lines Harvey has dropped over the years in the span of the last two episodes!
âHarveyâs maybe the best closer in the city. But Iâm the best everything else.â (Louis Litt)
âI donât play the odds. I play the man.â (Harvey to Louis after he got Faye to back down)
âWhen your back is up against the wall, break the goddamn thing down.â (Mike quoting Harvey to Robert Zane and Samantha)
âLife is this. I want this.â (Louis to Ted Tucker, when he was pretending to be Harvey)
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âWhat are your choices when someone puts a gun to your head? You take the gun, or you pull out a bigger one. Or, you call their bluff. Or, you do any one of a hundred and forty six other things.â
(Mike quoting Harvey back to Harvey)
For a show thatâs about the cut-throat world of corporate law, Suits somehow managed to reiterate the ideas of friendship, loyalty and family with its extremely well-developed characters and their ever evolving relationships with each other. The final episode showed just how much theyâve evolved. It did feel like only Louis got to evaluate how far he had come with Dr Lipschitz in the episode. But you wouldnât need a shrink to tell you how there was more love and respect than ever before between him and Harvey. Louis quoting A Few Good Men and Harvey letting him be the Goose to his Maverick (Top Gun reference heâd once shared with Mike) made my heart full!
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Even though she was new to the show, watching Samantha finally be rid of her baggage and ready to play the game with her new family and her old mentor, Robert Zane (a brilliant Wendell Pierce) by her side was touching. And so was Katrina Bennett (Amanda Schull) finally getting her due! It was reassuring to know that she and Alex Williams (Dulé Hill) would be there to keep Louis and Samantha in check.
It wouldnât have been easy for Harvey to give up what he did, or to make a lifelong commitment in such a split-second decision. Over the latter course of the show, weâve seen Harvey being told heâs gone soft. But we finally understand that it is his priorities and what he values most in life that has been changing for him. It helps him forgive his mother and realise his true feelings for Donna. He preferred to work alone at first and cared only about winning. Now, he was ready to move cities to work with his closest friend on cases that helped those in need. Harvey Specter had started caring.
Okay, Iâll admit, I wish some things were different. While it was a beautiful ceremony, Iâm not too sold on the impromptu Darvey wedding, more so because Harvey and Donna shouldâve known how pissed Louis would be to miss their special day. Itâs not Harveyâs style. Iâve made my peace with the fact that there would never be another Meghan Markle appearance, and it makes it easier to then imagine that Rachel missed both Louis and Donnaâs weddings. But I would've loved to see Jessica Pearson make an appearance at the event. Or if not that, then maybe a phone call to Harvey, while he was spending his last few minutes in his office. She was his mentor, and he was leaving the firm just as she had, in service of the greater good of the firm. Not even Mike would understand what that felt like.
And finally, I wouldâve loved to know what Harvey and Donnaâs ritual was with that can opener! Of course, we canât get what we want. And thatâs probably a good thing too. Can you imagine the tears that would come with that? The finale did seem to be moving at a doubly fast pace, patching arc endings wherever they could. And while it wasnât exactly seamless, it was satisfying because it gave the fans enough reasons to smile and get mushy over it.
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(I probably shouldn't go into such discourse because nothing good ever comes of it, but I am bored and argumentative so here we go)
I agree with @eyes-painted-with-kohl with two exceptions:
1. Shipping Drama is not just an afterthought for why Mai is hated, it is the very first reason why she sparks such passion in antis (mostly Zuko/Katara shippers).
When a female character is hated in 99.9% of cases it's because she gets in the way of fandom's preferred ship (Caroline Forbes in TVD/TO, Daenerys Targaryen in GOT/ASOIFA, Lana Lang in Smallville and many, many others. Hell, I hate Donna Paulsen from 'Suits' because she ended up with Harvey, so don't think I am above it). Just look around at all the fandoms here. If you can find even 1 exception, I applaud you, but I can't. And anyway the exception proves the rule.
And yes, there are Reasonable Reasons to dislike this characters, but:
a. You find said reasons after you realize you hate the character
b. dislike =/= byrning hate
Shipping isn't the only think that can cause this 'burning hate' reaction, but it's the one I've seen most often.
2. Not as important, but I disagree with the idea that Mai is more deeply flawed than other characters. Because, let me tell you, if I was in her shoes, I would have been 10Ă worse. (Plus, I don't think the protagonists are some shining beacons of moralty either. I think they hmget a free pass because we see their POV more often and understand them better)
Hi, I finished watching atla. It's a good show with interesting characters. But I wonder why Mai is hated. I mean, she saved zuko and co. at the boiling rocks. She believed in him. The brief eye lock they had after zuko locked Mai says so. I just want to know your opinion.
Why Mai Is Hated
(Disclaimer: This is not an even-handed analysis of Maiâscharacter because that was not the question asked. The question was, Why is Mai hated? The following essayattempts to answer this question, and only this question.)
Weâre introduced to Mai as abored teenager who hates being uprooted to Omashu. So great is her indifferencethat when a plague has reportedly struck the city, she merely offers her dadfire flakes and looks bored. Her little brother is kidnapped soon after, andshe casts her mother a disdainful glance when the latter breaks down in tears. Maithen joins up with Azula willingly, again because she is bored, and the princesstries to exchange Maiâs brother for Bumi before reneging on the deal, which Maiagrees to without even a hint that she is worried for her brother during orafter the fact.
At this point, Azula tells Maiwhat she needs her and Ty Lee for: tracking, capturing, and imprisoning GeneralIroh and Zuko according to the Firelordâs wishes as expressed in âSiege of theNorth Part 2.â Per the wanted poster Azula brandishes at the royal guard inâThe Avatar State,â Zuko is wanted deador alive. Despite being teased for her crush on him, Mai shows no signs of conflictat her mission or trepidation on Zukoâs behalf.
Azula: (to her men) My brother and my uncle have disgraced the Fire Lord and brought shame on all of us. You may have mixed feelings about attacking members of the royal family; I understand. But I assure you, if you hesitate, I will not hesitate to bring you down. Dismissed.
Along the way, Mai also helpsAzula hunt Team Avatar to exhaustion and capture the Kyoshi warriors so thetrio can infiltrate the Earth Kingdom. Unlike in Zukoâs character journey wherehe learns to understand and empathize with the Earth Kingdom denizens duringhis time with them, the most Mai ever says about the people she encounters isthat their bright colors make her nauseous and itâs amusing when one of the DaiLi almost wets his pants out of fear. Eventually, Mai and Ty Lee help Azula andZuko topple the last standing bastion against Fire Nation world dominationwhile Iroh is hauled off as a prisoner.
Azula, who wants to make sureZuko is kept under control, decides to set him up with Mai in order to keep aneye on him. The couple catch on at a suspiciously timed dinner and decide toescape for a fun evening out on the town. They run into Zukoâs ex-girlfriend,which annoys Mai even though she and Zuko are not dating and, as far as weknow, were never actually together. So she pretends to be a knife thrower froma circus and flings an ice dagger through an octopus atop the unwilling Zukoâshead. Mai then encourages Jin, a complete novice, to throw her own lethalprojectile at Zuko, causing him to land in the fountain and endure publichumiliation. This is supposedly revenge for when Zuko knocked Mai into thefountain ⊠as a child ⊠to save her from being burned at the hands of Azula. Iam not sure why this warrants a payback, but it makes sense to Mai. Oncetheyâre alone, Zuko understandably shouts at Mai that she could have gotten himkilled. Mai laughs loudly at this and brushes it off.
Once back in the Fire Nation, Maistarts dating Zuko officially. This mostly involves her ignoring or yawning atZukoâs inner turmoil and scoffing at the gifts he brings her, except for therare occasion when she tries to distract him from his problems by makingunreasonable demands on his servants.
They quarrel constantly untilZuko leaves the Fire Nation and Mai meets him again at the Boiling Rock, whereshe lambastes Zuko for ripping out her heart even though he pretty obviouslykept her in the dark for her own protection. She then says that she doesnâtknow Zuko, which is true, as he locks her in a cell moments later so he cansave the people in his life he has a genuine connection toâand who, thoughformer enemies on the opposite side of the war, have thrown fewer things at hishead than Mai has.
Suddenly Mai betrays Azula forZuko. Why? She loves him. Why does she love him? We never find out, since theonly things she ever says about his character are negative. Ty Lee saves Maifrom her impending execution and Mai later pulls some strings to get them bothout of prison. Once she makes her way to the capital, she announces withoutpreamble that she is Zukoâs girlfriend again, pokes him in the chest, and warnshim to never break up with her again.
In the comics, we discover thatthe âdonât ever break up with me againâ rule applies only to Zuko and not toMai, since she dumps him in the very first series. However, let us be fair toMai: Zuko did keep the truth from her, twice, and the first time she sought asolution to the problem by getting the Kyoshi warriors to be his bodyguards.But going behind her back to talk to his evil father is the last straw for Mai.Itâs such a deal breaker that she leaves the palace when Zuko is facingmultiple assassination attempts and is borderline suicidal.
Maiâs stalwart stance against notgoing behind your partnerâs back to talk with an evil father will last untilher next comic series, when she goes behind Zukoâs back to talk with her evilfather. This and her refusal to turn her father in result in thenear-assassination of Zuko and his entire family, including his little sisterKiyi. Kiyi is later kidnapped because Maiâs father is still on the run and shehas refused to come clean. When Mai finally admits her aiding and abetting of amurderous traitor, she reacts to Zukoâs dismay by yelling at him and neglectingto apologize for endangering him and his loved ones.
Pleasenote that Maiâs redemptive deed in the show was her saving Zukoâs life from amurderous tyrant and that her actions here completely cancel that out.
Mai has meanwhile been dating KeiLo, a nice young man whose affections she uses in order to spy on her fatherfor Zuko. Why she used Kei Lo against her father for Zukoâs sake, only tobetray Zuko for her fatherâs sake, is never explained. The three of them andAang later wander the catacombs trying to find clues that may lead to Kiyiâsmysterious kidnapper. But what isquite apparent is Maiâs utter contempt for Zuko during this journey. Shedeprecates Zukoâs dating style in front of her current boyfriend, insultsZukoâs ancestors, obliquely asks when Zuko will die by inquiring whether heâsreserved a grave for himself, and implies that Zuko has weird friends. Why shefeels entitled to remark on this, when sheâs had a total of one real friend herentire life, is anyoneâs guess. She caps it all off by saying that, thanks toZuko, she needs all future romantic relationships involving her to beemotionally imbalanced in her favor.
In the end, they fight againstMaiâs father, he is captured, and Mai praises him for his bravery ⊠even thoughhis actions consisted of hiding in the shadows and kidnapping children, whichseems like the pinnacle of cowardice. The comic ends with Mai and Zuko smilingat each other, Zuko holding his little sister in his arms (whom Mai hadendangered), and Mai holding her little brother in her arms (whom Mai had alsoendangered). Isnât family bonding time great?
Where this intensely annoyinglove triangle is headed in the comics is uncertain, although to be honest, KeiLo/Zuko is the only healthy pairing that could result from those threecharacters. Certainly Mai and Zuko donât resume a relationship after this, althoughthe fandom presumption is that, somewhere down the line, the pair willinexplicably marry.
Aside from Maiâs selfishness,hypocrisy, refusal to grow, and lack of compassion, the narrative around her isdisjointed and contradicts itself at several critical points. Mai is made outto be the goth girl whoâs a wet blanket on her parentsâ emotions, until âTheBeach,â where we are told that no actually, it was her parentsoppressing Maiâs emotions the whole time. Mai is willing to sacrifice everything in âThe Boiling Rockâ to save Zukoâs life, except that wait, she iswilling to throw that sacrifice away for her father in âSmoke and Shadow.â But holdon, isnât that the father she implied was neglectful and oppressive in the first place? And wait, if itâs actually her brother growing up without a fatherthat sheâs concerned about, why was she so blasĂ© about her brother getting previously kidnapped in âReturn to Omashuâ? And which is supposed to be Maiâsredeeming character trait: that she stands up for love in spite of her better judgment (âThe Boiling Rockâ), or that she stands up for her better judgment in spite of love (âThe Promiseâ)?
Maiâs motivations are muddled. Isher first loyalty to her father, her brother, Azula, or Zuko? The story givesus multiple answers, which it then doubles back on whenever convenient. Thisleaves herself as Maiâs only consistent priority, which is hardly a firmbedrock for constructing a heroine. Mai is not moving toward a fixed point indevelopment; the plot is dragging her along for the ride, while she exists asan afterthought. A plume, if you will, of smoke and shadow, that is fast losingwhat cohesion it possessed.
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I like all of your stories except for Gal Friday. I don't like the CEO and assistant set up and Sasuke seems out of character to me. I'm sorry. I don't really like the idea of Sasuke having previous relationships before Sakura because it is really out of character. I bet Sakura would not have had any relationships before Sasuke because that is how everyone writes these types of stories with the CEO and assistant AU. I guess that is the main reason why I don't like the story. I'm sorry again.
Part Two: I will be reading all your other stories because I think you are an excellent writer. It is just the Gal Friday story that I am going to avoid. I feel childish for doing so but I always defensive when Sasuke is portrayed as that way. I guess its a result of the anti fandom always saying that Sakura is being cheated on or something. Do you sometimes feel there is a type of story you donât like either because of the premise?
No harm, no foul. I donât expect everyone to like everything I write.Â
And under normal circumstances (read in the canon or any AU version of the shinobi world), I agree with you. Sasuke would not have relationships with anyone else but Sakura, because a) he wasnât in the mindframe for it and b) even in a non-massacre AU he probably wouldnât develop a connection with anyone until Sakura. As far as Iâm concerned, theyâre totally soulmates and would wait for each other.
But considering Gal Friday takes place in our modern world, it would not seem realistic if two adults hadnât had previous relationships of some sort. Even in Japan, where theyâre pretty traditional, most people have had a boyfriend or girlfriend before they start the adult portion of their lives. But the past relationships are not the focus of this story at all.Â
As for the CEO & Assistant trope, I totally get why youâre not a fan. Iâm actually not a fan either, and when I started this story for SasuSaku Festival, this was the prompt that gave me the most trouble. Because generally, CEO & Assistant make Sasuke some kind of sex god and Sakura a wishy-washy, self-conscious virgin waiting for him to sweep her off her feet.Â
But then I remembered the awesomeness of Donna Paulsen from Suits, and the ideas just came to me. So for this story, I subverted that trope by focussing on traits from Sasuke and Sakura that werenât explored much in the anime: namely, Sasukeâs general clueless nature when it comes to emotions and Sakuraâs hyper-competency.Â
IâmâŠnot quite sure how any of this leads to Sakura being âcheated onâ, but whatever.Â
And yeah, there are certain types of stories that I definitely canât do. Anything involving Omegaverse, non-con, and sadly, I can no longer stomach reading teacher/student fics unless they are very clearly set in a college/university setting.Â
Anyhow, hope you continue to enjoy the other stuff. Thereâs certainly a lot to choose from!
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Firm (Coming Soon To Theaters Near You)
In which Donna is a film star, Harvey is the best closer in Hollywood, Mike is a strange, strange child, and Rachel is Aaron Korsh.
Ships: Donna Paulsen/Rachel Zane, Mike Ross/Harvey Specter Rating: General Audiences Warnings: References to anti-LGBT discrimination Word Count: ~4.7K
For @suits100ââs 43rd prompt.
Itâs a hot, hazy night in Bel Air, and Harvey Specter-- agent, dealmaker, the greatest closer in L.A., the unofficial king of Hollywood-- is circling his next conquest like a hunter on the prowl. His chosen prey is an actress whom he wouldnât have recognized before this party, but he decided to snatch her up as soon as she walked in with that flame-red hair and tossed him a knowing, challenging smile.
âIâm Harvey Specter,â he says, reaching out a hand.
She shakes it firmly and says, âI know. I was wondering how long itâd take you to work up the courage to introduce yourself.â
For a second, his usual schmoozing smile slips into something more genuine as he replies, âI assure you I donât lack courage. Iâd be glad to let you personally confirm that other qualities of mine arenât lacking either.â
She chuckles. âI could take you up on that offer, but I can give you something even better.â
âYouâre gonna invite a friend?â he says, raising an eyebrow and smirking. âMale, female, other-- Iâm very open-minded.â
âNo, Iâm offering you me, as a client.â
âIâm not here to talk business--â
âFirst off, youâre always ready to talk business-- you havenât taken a vacation in a good five years. Second of all, youâre definitely here to talk business tonight, because Travis Tanner just landed a major client, and you want to show him up and put him in his place.â He opens his mouth, and she says, âAnd before you ask, no, Iâm not giving up my sources.â
He snorts. âHow do you know all this?â
âI know everything. Specifically, I know that Stephen Huntley, my current agent, is on his way down, and that I need to find a winner to represent me going forward. I also know that you arenât willing to both sleep with me and work with me, not after the Dana Scott debacle, which is why Iâm telling you all this now and not over breakfast tomorrow morning.â
âYou know how to act?â
âUndergrad degree at Tisch and the Lee Strasberg Institute, MFA in acting from Yale.â
He blinks, and she can see him re-evaluating. âWhy me?â
âBecause weâre both damn good at what we do and hungry for success. And because your former boss is directing one of the most interesting films Iâve heard of in my life, and I want an audition.â
âIâm not sending Jessica anyone but the best.â
âGood thing youâre sending me. And oh, I should introduce myself. I'm Donna.â
If Donna wasnât as good as she was, sheâd be alarmed at how quickly Harvey signs her upon looking into her previous work. But she is that sublimely, divinely good, and Jessica Pearson casts her in her period drama Firm soon afterwards. Sheâs in one of the starring roles, naturally.
By the sheer power of being Jessica Pearson, Jessica ties up funding, finishes hiring, and moves to the production stage surprisingly quickly, and Donna finds herself filming on location within weeks.
âHi, Iâm Rachel Zane, Iâll be showing you both around the mansion.â
Donna glances at one of the supporting actors, Michael Ross, a young man with golden hair and unfairly blue eyes, and momentarily rues the fact that her make-out sceneâs with an entirely different actor.
âWow,â Mike immediately replies to Rachel, âyouâre pretty.â
Donna raises an eyebrow at him, but she also sneaks another look at Rachel. Heâs not wrong. At all.
âGood,â Rachel says with a passive-aggressive smile that even Donna has to envy, âyouâve hit on me. We can get it out of the way that I am not interested.â
âIâm sorry, I wasnât hitting on you--â
âTrust me, Iâve met dozens of up-and-coming actors and, without fail, whatever new hotshot it is thinks that, because Iâm just an assistant, I will somehow be blown away by his dazzling smile, let me assure you I wonât. I donât swing that way in the slightest.â
And then Donna looks back at Mike, whoâs currently undergoing a revelation. âI was.â
âMm-hmm,â Rachel says, sweet as syrup.
âI was hitting on you.â
âYou were,â she coos like a particularly proud preschool teacher. âNow letâs go on with the tour.â
Scratch that. Rachelâs definitely the one Donna wants a make-out scene with.
Donna doesnât appear in the first scene they shoot, so she stays in her dressing room, re-reading her lines, taking notes in her script. She hears a knock on the door.
âCome in!â
Itâs Rachel, with a folder tucked under her arm. âSorry to bother you, but Jessica just obtained some letters from the Archives of American Art that might help inform your choices in the teapot scene.â
âWow, where does she find the time?â
Rachel smiles, tucking a wayward curl behind her ear. âWell, to be more precise, she told me to obtain them, and thatâs exactly what I did.â
âYou like research?â
She shrugs. âIâm very good at it, even if itâs not what I want to do for the rest of my life.â
Before Donna can reply, a message comes through on their walkie-talkies: âRachel, whatâs your 20?â
âBy the dressing rooms, Iâll be back up in two minutes,â she says before looking back at Donna. âSorry, I gotta--â
âYeah, go do what you need to do.â
âIâll see you around.â
As she watches Rachel stroll away, Donna murmurs, âIâm looking forward to it.â
They dance around each other in one late-night research session after another. Finally, Donna asks Rachel out.
With a teasing smile, she says, âI was wondering how long itâd take you to finally make your move.â
âI knew you were wondering.â
âDid you know I already decided on my my answer?â
âOf course, and I wouldnât have asked unless it was an enthusiastic yes.â
Once they finish shooting on-location, they head back to L.A. Donna lingers around the set one night after filming, reviewing the next dayâs scenes. Out of the corner of her eye, she sees Mike leaving his dressing room.
âYou need help running lines?â As he passes behind her, he peers over her shoulder at her script. âIâve got that scene memorized--â
âNo, Iâm fine,â she says. Then she catches the kicked-puppy look on his face and explains, âI have to go meet Rachel in a couple minutes anyway.â
âWhat are you doing?â he asks.
Donna considers telling him theyâll be doing something work-related, but she opts for honesty. âShe insists Shunji has the best sushi in SoCal, so weâre going to go try it out.â
âYeah, Shunjiâs awesome. The omakase sets are upwards of a hundred dollars each, but so worth it.â
Donna raises an eyebrow. âSounds good. Sheâs quite the foodie, so Iâm excited to explore L.A. with her.â
âHang on, is this-- is this a date?â
âYeah, it is.â
She expects those innocent baby blues to fill with tears, but instead he grins broadly. âHey, thatâs great. You two enjoy your sushi, and Iâm just gonna . . . go sleep.â
âRight.â
âAt my apartment.â
â. . . Right.â
Mike hesitates for a second, then does an awkward finger-gun snap and stumbles away.
âMike is such a strange child,â Donna says as she relates the whole scene to Rachel over sushi. âI donât know how he functions!â
âMy question is how he affords a omakase set. He doesnât get steady work, to the best of my knowledge, and itâs even hard for me to buy this without falling back on Daddyâs credit card.â Rachel rolls her eyes.
âYouâre an independent woman, huh?â
âThatâs the aim,â she says. âItâs not always feasible, but Iâm attempting to establish myself without relying on the name of âRobert Zane, famous producer.ââ
âSpeaking of establishing yourself . . . you never did tell me what you wanted to spend the rest of your life doing, if not research.â
Rachel chuckles, suddenly bashful. âItâs a little silly.â
âWhen I was younger, I wanted to grow up to be Joan Holloway. Try me.â
âWell, Iâm a writer.â She pauses.
âAnd?â
âSee, that was the jump scare, and this is the part where you run screaming.â
âIâm an actress, darling, it takes more than that to get rid of me. What do you write?â
âIâm interested in film in the long term, but right now Iâm working on an idea for a TV show.â
âWhat kind of TV show?â
âA legal drama? Itâs not a procedural exactly, or at least I donât want it to be. Itâs about these two characters, Jim and Reg, and Jim is a pothead but also a secret genius and Reg is a shark in the world of New York corporate law, and he decides to hire Jim as an associate-- thatâs a junior lawyer-- except Jim doesnât have an actual degree and-- oh god, I never explain this well.â She sinks her face into her hands.
âIt sounds interesting,â Donna says with an encouraging smile.
âIt doesnât sound half as good as it is. I never know how to present it right.â
âDo you have any of it written?â
âI have a treatment, plus a pilot and detailed notes for the next three episodes, but I am not showing those to anyone in their current state.â
âAll right, Iâll let you wiggle out of giving me details,â Donna says, âfor now.â
Filming wraps up a few weeks later. Harvey immediately has Donna out doing auditions while Rachel stays with the project, helping Jessica with post-production. Still, the two women spend every possible night together.
âUgh,â Rachel says, letting herself into Donnaâs apartment one Friday night and collapsing immediately on her couch. âIâve watched that damn teapot scene fifty times in the past eight hours.â
âWhy?â Donna asks, pecking Rachelâs cheek and then taking a seat on the nearby ottoman.
âJessicaâs a worse perfectionist than I am, and so she is trying every possible combination of shots. If you werenât in that scene, I would have put my fist through the screen by now.â
âAww.â
âIâm serious! God knows I love everything about this film, even now, but I think your acting might be my favorite part.â
âSpeaking of which--â Donna nudges Rachelâs leg with her foot-- âdo you by any chance want to go out for drinks?â
âMaybe. Is there a particular reason?â
âWell, alcohol might help you scrub the teapot scene from memory, though after fifty iterations that may no longer be possible . . . And also, I got cast today in that new Hamlet film.â
Rachel bolts upright. âWhat part?â
Ever so casually, she shrugs and says, âOphelia.â
And then Rachel is leaping onto her, and theyâre both squealing at the top of their lungs.
Less than an hour later, theyâve zipped one another into two of Donnaâs fanciest cocktail dresses and headed to a bar.
âAll right, weâre going to celebrate in grand fashion--â Donna begins.
âWithout paying a dime.â
âWait, how?â
âYouâre the actress, youâll catch on.â
And Donna watches Rachel swagger up to some guy, flash him her sexiest smile, and say, âHi, Iâm Michelle Ross.â
âIâm . . . Harriet Specter. The best goddamn closer this city has ever seen.â
âIâm the smartest paralegal on this coast.â
âIâm a COO who regularly rescues multi-billion dollar deals.â
âIâm a professional food critic.â
âI run an artificial intelligence start-up up in SF. VCs love me.â
For all Donnaâs improvisational skill, Rachel undoubtedly wins the most free drinks. She stumbles back into Donnaâs apartment far past tipsy and then throws her arms around her girlfriend, leaning in for a kiss.
âHey, no--â Donna pushes her back-- âIâm not taking advantage of you in this state.â
âWhat if I want you to take advantage of me?â she slurs.
Donna raises an eyebrow. âYou really want that, huh?â
âMm-hmm.â
âHow about you show me your pilot?â
âPilot?â she titters. âI donât even have a plane yet.â
âNot that kind of pilot,â Donna laughs. âI mean the Jim-and-Reg pilot.â
âOhhhh. Yeah. Yeah, itâs on my laptop.â
âCan we go look at it?â
âSure!â
Donna maneuvers them over to the couch, and Rachel clumsily pulls her laptop from her bag and opens it, all the while muttering about how sheâs going to get herself a jet one of these days, just you wait.
âHere,â she says, clicking on a file named âLaw Dorksâ with a flourish. âHere is the meaning of life.â
âGo to sleep, Rachel.â
Rachel hums and burrows in her shoulder, mumbling, âComfy.â
And when she nods off less than a minute later, Donna places a kiss on the top of her head and then starts reading.
âOh, my god.â
Rachel awakes with a shudder on the couch, under the blankets Donna carefully draped over her.
âOh, my god. Donna! Did you read it?â
âI read it--â
âOh god, you hated it, didnât you? Please, ugh, it wasnât ready, Iâm still working out the pacing, and thereâs so many plot holes I have to fix--â
âAnd I loved it.â
Rachel stops mid-sentence. âWhat?â
âI want to hug Jim. I want to be Roberta. I want to worship at Katherineâs feet, and I really want to see Reg naked.â
âWhat about Elizabeth?â
âWell, since sheâs clearly just an adorable baby lawyer version of you, I want to cuddle with her on the couch--â Donna flops down and nuzzles Rachelâs neck-- âand then smack her upside the head for not already being a Harvard lawyer, or, in real life, not already turning this genius of a story into an actual show.â
âOw!â Rachel yelps as Donna really smacks her upside the head.
âSeriously, whatâs the hold-up? You donât need any LSATs to shop this script around, and god knows you have enough connections. Jessica alone would be able to put you in touch with people, and when you account for all your previous jobs and also the fact that you know me--â
âI donât know how to pitch it,â Rachel blurts. âI donât have a hook, I donât have a good summary, I donât even have a title at this point--â
âTwo lawyers, one degree.â
Her eyes widen. âThereâs my hook.â
âMm-hmm. And one more question-- are you aware of the sexual tension and possible burgeoning love between your two leads?â
âAware?â Rachel scoffs. âDonna, if I get to keep even the slightest bit of control-- and I will, because no network is going to push me around on this-- those two are ending up married.â
âPerfect. Now run with the hook, get this story out there and go take over the world.â
âOn it!â She snatches up her laptop and bag and scampers out of the apartment.
âAnd when you end up tackily rich I get to share your jet,â Donna calls after her.
Rachel turns terribly secretive about her progress with the show, and Donna doesn't pry-- not directly, anyway. Soon, she gets swept up by the buzz around her own accomplishments. From the first reviews, Firm is a hit with critics, and they rave over her performance in particular. She knew they would, but still thereâs something downright magical about looking at an article and seeing her name in the same sentence as the words âOscar buzz.â
Due to the timing of the filmâs release, Firm misses the deadline for the Golden Globes, but other nominations and awards start filtering in, along with interview requests. The reporters ask Donna about her love life, and she plays coy, sending them all off with different and increasingly implausible stories until they know not to even bother.
She spends long stretches of time off filming Hamlet in Scandinavia, so fortunately she avoids the worst of the paparazzi harassment. Still, thereâs definitely someone camped out across the road from her house when she comes back to L.A.
âI donât think we should meet at my place,â she says, calling Rachel up on Skype. âIâm being low-key stalked.â
âI donât care if the paps see me,â Rachel replies. âIf they realize weâre a couple, hey, Iâll just spin it into publicity for the show!â
âLemonade outta lemons.â Donna grins before turning serious again. âBut seriously . . . I donât know if I want to come out yet, publicly.â
Something shifts in Rachelâs expression. âWait, what?â
âMaybe youâve been sheltered because youâve grown up in Hollywood, and California cities are just generally good about these things, but . . . Itâs not like that everywhere. And I donât want to rock the boat for the film during awards season.â
âJessica wouldnât care. Hell, sheâd try and spin it as good publicity too--â
âAnd what if she canât?â Donna interrupts. âItâs not fair to her to throw that kind of bombshell out there, not before the Oscars.â
âThen what about after the Oscars?â
âI-- I donât know.â
âSo, what?â Rachel snaps. âYou just want us to spend the rest of our lives sneaking around and having dates on Skype?â
âRachel--â
âIâm going to talk to to you later, but I need a little time for myself right now.â
She disconnects.
Actress in a Leading Role.
There she is on the Academy Award nominations list. Thereâs Donna Paulsen, right between Jennifer Lawrence and Meryl Streep.
But Rachelâs âlittle timeâ has stretched into weeks, and so it doesnât feel quite like a victory.
The day before the Oscars, thereâs a knock on her door.
âHi.â
âHi.â
âCan I come in?â
Donna steps aside and lets Rachel into her apartment. Sheâs dressed professionally, with a briefcase in one hand and a file in the other.
âIn case youâre worried,â she says as soon as Donna shuts the door, âIâve been meeting with everyone from Firm whoâs going to the Oscars to go over some simple red carpet doâs and donâts, so nobodyâs going to read too much into this. I just came from Jessicaâs place, and Iâm heading over to Mike right after this.â
âTo his house?â
âNo,â Rachel frowns, âhe wants to meet at Hot Dog on a Stick.â
Simultaneously, they whisper âstrange child,â before falling silent.
âHow have you been?â Rachel asks with a soft smile.
âI donât know,â Donna answers, frowning. âEverythingâs good, everythingâs bad, itâs all a bit overwhelming right now.â
âIâm sorry for dropping off the face of the planet like that,â Rachel replies. âYou just took me by surprise that day, because I forget sometimes how much the world sucks.â
âAnd thatâs what I like about you, you know that?â
âWhat do you mean?â
âYouâre a silly, pessimistic worrywart on the small scale, but when thereâs a big problem, you are the bravest woman I know. You just march right in with your head held high, and you ignore anybody who would dare stand in your way.â
âThatâs . . . really sweet. And I agree, I am somewhat brash when someone tells me I canât be who I am or have something I want, which is why I didnât want to talk to you until I figured things out--â
âRachel--â
âWait, let me finish.â She inhales deeply. âMy parents raised me to be an open person. I donât try to hide who I am, or what I believe, or who I love-- none of it. And yet youâre asking me to hide us from the rest of the world, and I understand why youâre doing it, but it goes against the core of who I am. Do you understand that?â
âI do.â
âAnd Iâll do it.â
âWhat?â
âYouâre asking me to defraud the whole world, and Iâll do it. For you. Because I happen to be in love you, and I know you love me too.â
Her eyes go wide. âI do.â
âI know.â
Donna swallows hard. âThis isnât fair to you, is it?â
âAllâs fair in love and business.â She shrugs, trying to act casual, and continues, âAnyway, we have actual work. I gotta get you all ready for tomorrow. Do you have an acceptance speech drafted?â
Donna rolls her eyes. âWhy would I? It's not like Iâm going to win.â
âAnd the award goes to . . . Donna Paulsen.â
âWait, what?â Donna blinks and turns to her mother, her plus-one for the night. âWhat just happened?â
âYou just won,â her mother says, beaming back at her.
âWait, what?â
As she goes up to the podium, she focuses on not tripping over her gown and also on adjusting herself to the new world order. Because really, sheâs more than a queen tonight-- she is a goddess. She can do whatever the hell she wants.
Canât she?
âI donât have note cards, or any notes at all, because according to the gambling sites there was a 5.78% chance I would be up here tonight. If I forget someone and thus lose a lifelong friendship, Iâm suing said sites for emotional damages,â she jokes, and the audience gives a warm laugh. âFirst of all, thank you to the Academy, and to the cast and crew of Firm-- Jessica, congratulations on your Best Director award, may it be the first of many. I also have to thank Harvey Specter, my agent, for actually being as good as he says he is-- not an easy task--â thanks to his reputation in this town, that gets another laugh-- âand to the other nominees, all of whom inspire me everyday . . .â
She ticks off all the typical boxes of an Oscars speech, and itâs not hard-- sheâs been watching them since before she could read. People start zoning out, she knows, and she keeps her cool and plods along all the way to the end--
âThank you to my parents for not forcing me into a so-called âsensible career.â And thank you most of all to the person who held my hand and taught me about this character and this world, who ran lines with me, who held me after the teapot scene sent me into a nervous breakdown-- the woman I love, Rachel Zane. Thank you all, and have a good night!â
The room is silent for a moment, and then she gets a standing ovation.
âSo tell me,â Donna strolls up to the bar at a particularly exclusive Oscars afterparty, âhow screwed is my career?â
Harvey turns to her, one eyebrow raised. âWhy would your career be screwed?â
She raises an eyebrow of her own. âBecause I just came out on the largest stage in what is still an intensely discriminatory industry?â
âThe fact that you picked the biggest stage works in your favor-- this town canât resist high drama.â
âHarvey.â
âOkay--â he takes a sip from his scotch-- âlet me ask you a question. How could your career possibly be screwed, when you just won Best Actress, your film would have won Best Picture if things were even a little less rigged, and your agent is even better than he says he is?â
She resists the urge to roll her eyes.
âHereâs my advice. Just give some thoughtful interviews, donât make broad statements you donât mean, and stay the hell off Twitter for a few weeks. Iâll handle the rest. Even if offers slow down in film-- which I highly doubt-- youâve got options elsewhere.â
âWhatâs worth doing elsewhere?â
âTV, Netflix--â
âBroadway?â she says hopefully.
He shrugs. âI wouldnât count it out.â
Donna grins at that. âHey, howâd you get in here anyway? Whose plus-one are you?â
He looks at her in mock-offense. âExcuse me? I can get into any after-party in the city on the strength of the Specter brand--â
âHeâs here because I brought him.â
Donna turns with a start and finds Mike behind her, smirking.
âFirstly, congrats to you and Rachel, and remember not to feed the internet trolls unless youâre trolling them back. And there will be trolls. That said, I personally welcome you as Hollywoodâs bisexual overlord.â
âWhat am I,â Harvey protests, âchopped liver?â
âSecondly--â Mike barrels on as if he didnât hear-- âcongrats on taking home a naked man.â He reaches out to stroke the golden statuette in the crook of Donnaâs arm. âStill not as pretty as mine, but youâll make do.â
âKid, you have to stop calling me âpretty,ââ Harvey sighs, shaking his head.
âI call him all sorts of things, and he loves it,â Mike mutters in conspiratorial fashion to Donna. She just stares as he leans in, plants a kiss on Harveyâs cheek, and says, âSee you around, babe. I got networking to do, just like you taught me.â
âJust like I taught you?â
âOkay, maybe not just like you taught me, I donât really want to deal with sexual harassment suits . . .â
âGet out,â Harvey commands with a wave of hand, but Donna notes the clear fondness in his expression. He turns to see her gaping at him. âWhat?â
âOn the one hand, I now understand how he affords the omakase set. On the other hand, on what planet are you two dating?â
Harvey frowns. âWhat, am I not good enough for him?â
âWhat-- what? No, Iâm thinking the other way around.â
His eyes widen, and then he bursts into chuckles. âOh, Jesus, heâs trying not to scare the mundanes again.â
âExcuse me?â
âIâd say heâs a modern-day Einstein, but that doesnât actually do Mikeâs brain justice. Once he reads something, he understands it. Once he understands something, he never forgets it. He plays the genius angle down because it freaks people out, but I think he overdoes the act sometimes.â
âWait, he has a perfect memory?â
âYep,â Harvey says, smiling into his scotch.
âOh, my god, thatâs just like--â
âHey, Rachelâs here,â he says, and Donna halts mid-sentence and whirls around to look.
Rachelâs standing at the entrance of the room, downright stunning in an all-black gown-- itâd never play on the red carpet, but here in this dark, crowded club she takes Donnaâs breath away.
âHarvey.â She nods to him as she strides forward.
âRachel, good to see you. Iâll give you two some space,â Harvey says before slipping away.
Donna can feel all the other eyes in the room on them, but she doesnât care, not when Rachel is beaming at her, throwing her arms around her, kissing her and then pulling her close. âYouâre the bravest woman I know, you know that?â
âI did it for you. It wasnât fair to make you hide.â
âAnd I am so proud of you for that. And also for winning an Oscar. You know, thatâs kinda cool too,â she chuckles.
âFrom what I hear, youâll be up for awards next.â
They share a look.
âDonna, how did you know?â
âI know everything. Seriously, did you think your show could get picked up for a pilot without my knowledge?â
âI obviously should have known better,â Rachel laughs. âAnyway, Iâve gotta figure out casting now, and I have the worst idea, and I need your help to make it a reality.â
âWhat role are we talking about?â
âReg.â
âWho do you have in mind?â
âHarvey.â
âNot the strangest thing Iâve heard all day, and that says a lot about today.â
âBear with me-- because of my dadâs work, I saw Harvey all the time growing up, and I definitely patterned a lot of Regâs personality off of him.â
âBut Harvey isnât an actor--â
âBut he was once! All through his childhood he was trying to break into the industry, and he did actually make it when he was in college, his senior year. He got cast in nothing less than a Bond movie.â
âWhy didnât I know about this?â Donna exclaims.
âHe broke his shoulder right before shooting, got replaced, and never got another role. Then he went off to Harvard Business-- so he could control casting for a change, I guess. But I dug up his old audition tapes, and he was incredible. I canât believe heâs given up on acting entirely, even now.â
Donna thinks about it for a moment. âHe does sometimes treat his life as a role.â
âYeah, I donât know if heâs shown a genuine expression in the past decade.â
She barks out a laugh before saying, âYouâd be surprised. His boyfriend gets a surprising amount of honest caring out of him.â
âHeâs in a relationship?â
âWith an actor, who incidentally might have an eidetic memory like Jim and definitely has a hell of a lot of chemistry with Harvey.â
âOh my god, who?â
âMike Ross.â
Rachelâs jaw drops. âOur strange child?â
âOur strange childâs all grown up, and potentially a great cast opposite Harveyâs Reg.â
âWell, then, please excuse me for being busy on your special night, but Iâve got to go talk to Harvey.â
âOh, Iâm coming with you. Iâve had practice persuading him to do ridiculous things, and also I fully intend to give you all the support that youâre willing to take.â
âMarvelous,â she says, pressing one more kiss to Donnaâs mouth. Then she takes her by the hand and leads her over to the table Harveyâs claimed. âLetâs find ourselves âthe best closer in New York.ââ
âHey,â Donna asks before they quite pounce on their victim, âwhatâd you end up calling the show?â
ââA Legal Mind.ââ
âThatâs funny-- âa legal,â âillegal,ââ Donna muses. âBut still, I feel like we can do better than that.â
A/N: In this AU, writers post fanfic where Jim and Reg are actors playing characters named Patrick and Gabriel.
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You're the first Donna Anti I've seen on this hellsite. (Tho the Suits following is pretty small from what I've seen.) I liked her okay up until The Kiss. Had to give up on her after that.
Okay first of all, I love how you capitalized it and referred to it like that, because it reminds me of how the Potter fandom refers to The Prank from the Marauder era. We all know, we can all well remember. And yeah, I'm 100% down for this incident being immortalized the same way, because what even was that.
I honestly gave up on D*rvey ever happening or being interesting when Donna went back to work for Harvey, because it basically undid all of the growth their relationship went through in Season 5. So when Donna kissed him I just kind of thought, "Huh, so they're finally doing this." But then it still took another season and a half to get there. Like, I just figured it was the will they/won't they finally answering with the "they will" that was inevitable at that point, but instead, we got...the kiss storyline. See, the kiss itself isn't what bothers me the most. What bothers me...is the scene where they talk it out. How Donna reacts when confronted. (A lot of grumbling lies ahead.)
Now, to be fair, this is coming off the tails of Harvey letting his anger out during a meeting, but still. First, Harvey calls Donna selfish, and then she says what she always says, which is "You have some nerve saying that to me, when you know I have put you first for years." Like...actions speak louder than words, Donna, and you really love to say that, usually whenever you fuck up. Which happens a lot. Even if I do believe that statement, It has nothing to do with her kissing Harvey, because that was selfish. She claims that she "needed to know." No, you didn't. What you needed to do was respect Harvey's relationship and boundaries.
"Our lines have been clear for a long time." Is a pretty clear statement, but then Donna just ignores it and says that their lines are blurry. Like, no, maybe yours are, but Harvey seems to disagree, so instead of listing off a bunch of aspects of your friendship, none of which are inherently romantic except maybe the claim that "we flirt" why don't you try to figure out where the miscommunication happened? These two are supposed to be best friends, and it's been thirteen years. Oh and, not too long ago, Donna pushed Harvey to consider becoming more than friends and when he was reluctant, she went to work for Louis! Since then, he has entered a relationship with another woman. What did Donna think was going to happen?
But that's okay, because she actually doesn't want to be with Harvey. Are you freaking kidding me? She kisses him without his consent, and then decides she doesn't have feelings for him? What kind of emotional manipulation is that? What if Harvey had decided he wanted to be with Donna instead of Paula after that kiss, and dumped her as a result? What if he'd dumped Paula out of guilt? Or told her, and then she dumped him out of anger? Or she didn't dump him, but it caused a lot of anger and tension they had to work through. Or what if Harvey decided to keep it a secret and felt terrible guilt for doing so? And all because Donna couldn't sort her feelings out on her own. I like how she says "I didn't feel anything when I kissed you, so you can relax if that's what you're worried about." Yeah, because this is about your feelings, Donna. That's what matters right now.
Ultimately, Harvey does seem to go for one of the options I listed. He points out that he feels like he has to keep this from Paula, Donna says to just go ahead and tell her, because he didn't do anything wrong. For someone who always claims to be inhumanly smart, she really does live in a fantasy world. Paula didn't see the kiss, she doesn't know what happened, and Harvey and Donna have always been close. Of course she'll be upset. I also don't like how it comes out that Harvey felt something during the kiss. "It did affect you, didn't it?" Donna, no, stop, that's not even close to being any of your business, and it so, so not the point. "That's not the same as feeling something." You're not the one who decides that Donna, Paula is! How is it that she's steered the conversation to being about this instead of, y'know, what she's done wrong?
Harvey finally spells it out for her, something she ought to have implicitly known since...well, honestly since before she carried out this stupid idea. That by kissing him while he's in a relationship, Donna forced him into a situation where he felt like he cheated on his girlfriend, and there's nothing in the world Harvey would hate more than that. That was Donna, Harvey's supposed best friend, his eventual wife (gag) putting him in that position, that she knows (or should know) damn well is going to hurt him worse than anything. She knows about his issues with infidelity. She knows how far back they go. She has watched him end previous relationships because of situations like this in the past! In what universe did she think that wouldn't be a problem? And when Harvey calls her out on this...Donna just kind of...ignores it. She downplays it.
She remarks that it was just a kiss. (Y'know, that thing that almost tore Mike and Rachel apart?) Which...again, Donna, Paula is the only one who gets to decide how serious this is. She reminds Harvey that they've done more than kiss in the past...which has nothing to do with the current situation either. She then asks if Harvey has told Paula that they slept together, and that is likewise none of her business. (Semi-irrelevant question, did Harvey not tell Paula about his past with Donna during their therapy sessions? Seems like the kind of thing that would have come up.) When she realizes that he hasn't told her, Donna offers one final middle finger by suggesting that Harvey shouldn't be mad at her, that it's his fault for not telling Paula that he slept with Donna thirteen years ago. Just...Harvey does bite back that he doesn't want her advice, but the moment she even said "If you want my advice" I just shook my head at the screen. Like, no. Stop. You have completely misunderstood the situation and utterly failed to take responsibility for this betrayal. You are trash, Donna Paulson. Glitzy, fancy trash.
She's not evil. She's not even really an asshole most of the time, the way so many of the characters on this show can be. But she oversells herself to an astounding degree, and for whatever reason the characters keep buying - so to that effect, it feels like the show itself is overselling Donna, which makes her flaws that much more pronounced. She's arguably the biggest screwup in the cast. I could make full rant posts like this one about The Liberty Rail fiasco, about the document that she shredded, about the time she broke privilege. But go on, Donna. Tell me more about how kissing Harvey was "one mistake, in thirteen years." Y'know, she's a much more realistic kind of annoying, and I sort of like that? But I also don't like what a karma houdini she is, how self-absorbed she acts. "The Donna" storyline almost felt like parody for that reason, but no...that was a plot-line in the show, that actually existed and aired, and we were meant to take it seriously. Like...wow...
#Donna Paulsen#Is rather like Albus Dumbledore#I could complain about her all day#Suits#Suits USA#Harvey Specter#Anti-Darvey#Not that I dislike the ship per se#But I sure don't say kind things about it in this post so#Paula Agard#Also comes up
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Suits rewatch...
OMG by season 4, Mike and Donna have become unwatchable in their self-absorption and/or self-righteousness.Â
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I donât like the âThe Donnaâ storyline, but in this episode it brought up something that I loved to see addressed: Donna was lead to believe that she was worth more than she is, starting with Harvey putting more money into her paycheck without telling her that it wasnât the firm that was paying her. In this episode, she had to face reality: being confident and good at reading people doesnât automatically mean that theyâll take you seriously, especially when you are trying to do business.
Business is full of sharks, and Donna? Donna is merely a fish that believes herself to be invincible. I liked that she got this wake-up call, it was time to show her that no, not everyone will fall at your feet if you act like you own the world.
Iâd love to see Donnaâs confidence more explored, honestly, this is the kind of storyline I want for her. Less magic-machine, more Donnaâs character exploration.
And all this also brings me back to the whole thing about Harvey and Donna not being a match according to me because of the power imbalance: Donna is a legal secretary, she is not on the same level as Harvey, who has been shown seeking accomplished, challenging women.Â
We were just slapped in the face with the fact that Donna is a little fish, and honestly if they want to make Darvey end-game it wasnât a good move, it just reminded me of one of the reasons why I donât like them.
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