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[ai-manre]

Wha-what now??? WHAT???! This is extremely stupid, why would Lyanna ask for that when her joining with Rhaegar has already fulfilled that pact? And why only first born daughter and not any daughter (hint Jon would always choose Arya). And why would such a stupid premise even exist.

Sorry but Jon*Sansa shippers have the absolute worst theories and takes.

[silverflameataraxia]

Sansa and Jeyne are the only people to call Arya ugly.

Meanwhile Ned, Jon, Gendry, Lady Smallwood, and the kindly man have all commented on her beauty, but this fandom ignores it in favor of two middle-school-aged mean girls who have to put Arya down to feel good about themselves.

[naetaesarya]

So, who wants to go first?

What ISN'T appealing about victimizing Dany (again) and turning her into a manipulated, used, exploited, betrayed, vilified, and dead pawn for Jonsa?

[asongofstarkandtargaryen]

I know some fans' reading comprehension is zero, but I can't with Jon//sas comparing Sansa to Val, calling them both "princess(es) in the tower".

Their characters couldn't be more different and Jon admires Val because she DOESN'T act like a damsel in distress( aka a princess in the tower).

[jonsaforeshadowing]

jonsa foreshadowing of the day: Sam and Satin are BOTH stand-ins for Sansa

[thelustybraavosimaid]

I think what disturbs me the most about anti-Dany and anti-Arya Jonsas is that they claim to be feminist. And yet, somehow, they constantly envision all the ways Dany is going to die by Jon's hands, how she's going to go mad. They go on about how Arya is too far gone to where she either fucks off across the seas or dies, inhabiting Nymeria, and becoming subservient to Sansa as a replacement Lady. Or even being her enforcer, simply killing any person Sansa points at.

They are so threatened by Arya being Jon's favourite person in the world and that Daenerys will eventually have a meaningful relationship with him that they want both out of the picture...

"People who hate Sansa are misogynists and hate feminine women!!" and yet all of your theories are centred around hating women and wanting them to die because they are not "girly enough" according to your standards...what part of this screams feminism at all?

[iheartsw]

what are they smoking?

[jacaerys-velaryon]

Sansa did what? Are they reading asoiaf? Can someone give me a hint when she was “bewitching” Jon with songs?

[jonsasource]

When you put it all side by side, it really is quite astounding how none of these pairings have any relation to j0nsa. And we are not even touching op pretending Sara Snow was a real person.

[daenerystargaryen06]

Can antis like, keep away from Daenerys please?

I'm so tired of seeing people writing out crap that Daenerys will be the villain, Jon is better, she is mad, calling her Danielle, yada yada. Just say you don't like her (because she is ultimately better than your fave) and go.

I'm also tired of seeing people giving the Starks (especially Sansa) her traits. I've seen edits of people making Sansa a Targ, people talking about how she'll get Daenerys' dragons, that Jon will kill Dany for her, etc.

Just keep Daenerys' name out of your mouth if you hate her and can't stand that she is strong, independent, and has an amazing character arc. A majority of Daenerys fans don't like other asoiaf characters, but you hardly see any of them going on a tangent about how much they hate that character. Usually it's us Dany fans defending anti hate against Dany and also defending antis hate on Dany to prop up their own fave (mainly Sansa).

I heavily have a high disdain for show!Sansa (she's alright in the books, not my fave but she's much better compared to the garbage that is her show character). But I don't go out of my way to hate on her, diss her character, write pointless metas about her going "mad", "evil", or "dark". Nor do I see any other Dany fan doing so. We don't hate on Sansa to prop up Dany. We don't give Dany character traits of other characters/Sansa. We don't speculate about how she'll die or get killed or manipulated by another man. It's disgusting.

It's also disgusting seeing anti hate towards Arya. Arya is my second favorite female character in asoiaf. She isn't ugly, she isn't crazy or some violent murderer, she isn't going to be permanently warged into Nymeria and become Sansa's; nor is she going to become Sansa's assigned assassin to kill all her enemies while Sansa and Jon live in lala land. It's not going to happen.

It is so disgusting how a vast majority of Arya and Dany fans don't do half the things their antis/Sansa stans do, yet they go out of their way to bash these wonderful characters to prop up their own fave or to get them out of the way for Sansa or Jon (mainly Jon fans who bash Daenerys to prop Jon up and cheer Jon for killing her).

We can talk about our faves without bashing another character, making metas about them that don't even follow the text, and just being outright nasty.

Do better. Just keep away from Daenerys and Arya.

[loredropper]

Me when somebody dislikes Jonerys because it’s incest and then says Jonsa is the best ship: 🤨

[silverflameataraxia]

I don't care if people ship Jonsa, but stop stealing content from Jonrya and somehow making it about Sansa when it's actually about Arya. And stop lying about Jon and Sansa's importance to each other.

Jon and Sansa rarely think about one another. Sansa thinks about Jon one time while pretending to be a bastard, and that was only after someone else brought him up. And that was the first time she thought about him since AGoT.

Jon, on the other hand, hardly thinks about Sansa either. It's Arya that he misses even more than Robb, and Arya who misses Jon the most out of all her siblings.

Jon compares Ygritte to Arya, not Sansa.

Jon wants to kill Ramsay for being betrothed to Arya, not Sansa.

Jon sends Mance to find the grey girl on a dying horse which was supposed to be Arya, not Sansa.

Jon was willing to forsake his vows to the Night's Watch for Arya, not Sansa.

Jon's favorite person in the world is Arya, and Arya's favorite person is Jon.

[naetaesarya]

Book Jon says “It’s death and destruction I want to bring upon House Lannister, not scorn”! Awesome line. Book Jon is freaking awesome!

And that line is the perfect counter to those Jonsa freaks who say Jon will be disgusted by Dany and Arya because they’ve killed people who deserved it. Nope. He’d be like “Those are my girls”

It's really quite something to behold how much a certain sub-fandom (which includes self-described so-called Jon "stans") want Jon to be this raging sexist hypocrite. They claim he is against violence -- that is, not against his own violence but against women doing violence (especially certain women: Arya, Dany, Ygritte, and Val).

Oh, poor put upon Jon :(

But when Jon does violence -- especially when it's supposedly for Sansa (or can be twisted into that purpose), that's okay -- nope, better than okay. That's love.

But that horrible Dany, Jon would hate her violence and "immorality":

Jon is traumatized by fire, isn't he? That's why he doesn't have any romantic observations of fire himself in ASOIAF.... after he burns his hand:

Jon went to cut more branches, snapping each one in two before tossing it into the flames. The tree had been dead a long time,** but it seemed to live again in the fire, as fiery dancers woke within each stick of wood to whirl and spin in their glowing gowns of yellow, red, and orange.**

(ACOK, Jon VIII)

And Jon has never never used fire as a weapon to kill...

Jon notched a fire arrow to his bowstring, and Satin lit it from the torch. He stepped to the parapet, drew, aimed, loosed. Ribbons of flame trailed behind as the shaft sped downward and thudded into its target, crackling.

(ASOS, Jon VII)

Not Styr. The steps. Or more precisely, the casks and kegs and sacks that Donal Noye had piled up beneath the steps, as high as the first landing; the barrels of lard and lamp oil, the bags of leaves and oily rags, the split logs, bark, and wood shavings. "Again," said Jon, and, "Again," and, "Again." Other longbowmen were firing too, from every tower top in range, some sending their arrows up in high arcs to drop before the Wall. When Jon ran out of fire arrows, he and Satin began to light the torches and fling them from the crenels.

Up above another fire was blooming. The old wooden steps had drunk up oil like a sponge, and Donal Noye had drenched them from the ninth landing all the way down to the seventh. Jon could only hope that most of their own people had staggered up to safety before Noye threw the torches. The black brothers at least had known the plan, but the villagers had not.

Wind and fire did the rest. All Jon had to do was watch. With flames below and flames above, the wildlings had nowhere to go. Some continued upward, and died. Some went downward, and died. Some stayed where they were. They died as well. Many leapt from the steps before they burned, and died from the fall. Twenty-odd Thenns were still huddled together between the fires when the ice cracked from the heat, and the whole lower third of the stair broke off, along with several tons of ice. That was the last that Jon Snow saw of Styr, the Magnar of Thenn. The Wall defends itself, he thought.

(ASOS, Jon VII)

"Must be cold down there," said Noye. "What say we warm them up, lads?" A dozen jars of lamp oil had been lined up on the precipice. Pyp ran down the line with a torch, setting them alight. Owen the Oaf followed, shoving them over the edge one by one. Tongues of pale yellow fire swirled around the jars as they plunged downward. When the last was gone, Grenn kicked loose the chocks on a barrel of pitch and sent it rumbling and rolling over the edge as well. The sounds below changed to shouts and screams, sweet music to their ears.

(ASOS, Jon VIII)

Jon laughed, laughed like a drunk or a madman, and his men laughed with him. The chariots and the racing horsemen on the flanks were well ahead of the center now, he saw. The wildlings had not crossed a third of the half mile, yet their battle line was dissolving. "Load the trebuchet with caltrops," Jon said. "Owen, Kegs, angle the catapults toward the center. Scorpions, load with fire spears and loose at my command." He pointed at the Mole's Town boys. "You, you, and you, stand by with torches."

(ASOS, Jon VIII)

The black arrows hissed downward, like snakes on feathered wings. Jon did not wait to see where they struck. He reached for a second arrow as soon as the first left his bow. "NOTCH. DRAW. LOOSE." As soon as the arrow flew he found another. "NOTCH. DRAW. LOOSE." Again, and then again. Jon shouted for the trebuchet, and heard the creak and heavy thud as a hundred spiked steel caltrops went spinning through the air. "Catapults," he called, "scorpions. Bowmen, loose at will." Wildling arrows were striking the Wall now, a hundred feet below them. A second giant spun and staggered. Notch, draw, loose. A mammoth veered into another beside it, spilling giants on the ground. Notch, draw, loose. The ram was down and done, he saw, the giants who'd pushed it dead or dying. "Fire arrows," he shouted. "I want that ram burning." The screams of wounded mammoths and the booming cries of giants mingled with the drums and pipes to make an awful music, yet still his archers drew and loosed, as if they'd all gone as deaf as dead Dick Follard. They might be the dregs of the order, but they were men of the Night's Watch, or near enough as made no matter. That's why they shall not pass.

(ASOS, Jon VIII)

"Fire," Jon barked. "Grenn, Pyp."

Grenn thrust his bow aside, wrestled a barrel of oil onto its side, and rolled it to the edge of the Wall, where Pyp hammered out the plug that sealed it, stuffed in a twist of cloth, and set it alight with a torch. They shoved it over together. A hundred feet below it struck the Wall and burst, filling the air with shattered staves and burning oil. Grenn was rolling a second barrel to the precipice by then, and Kegs had one as well. Pyp lit them both. "Got him!" Satin shouted, his head sticking out so far that Jon was certain he was about to fall. "Got him, got him, GOT him!" He could hear the roar of fire. A flaming giant lurched into view, stumbling and rolling on the ground.

Then suddenly the mammoths were fleeing, running from the smoke and flames and smashing into those behind them in their terror. Those went backward too, the giants and wildlings behind them scrambling to get out of their way. In half a heartbeat the whole center was collapsing. The horsemen on the flanks saw themselves being abandoned and decided to fall back as well, not one so much as blooded. Even the chariots rumbled off, having done nothing but look fearsome and make a lot of noise. When they break, they break hard, Jon Snow thought as he watched them reel away. The drums had all gone silent. How do you like that music, Mance? How do you like the taste of the Dornishman's wife? "Do we have anyone hurt?" he asked.

(ASOS, Jon VIII)

As for that last lil bit about Dany apparently burning a mother and child "without flinching", that was nicely twisted from a bit of text where Dany is hanging on with all her might for dear life atop Drogon's back with no control over him or the chaotic situation:

The fire burned away my hair, but elsewise it did not touch me. It had been the same in Daznak's Pit. That much she could recall, though much of what followed was a haze. So many people, screaming and shoving. She remembered rearing horses, a food cart spilling melons as it overturned. From below a spear came flying, followed by a flight of crossbow bolts. One passed so close that Dany felt it brush her cheek. Others skittered off Drogon's scales, lodged between them, or tore through the membrane of his wings. She remembered the dragon twisting beneath her, shuddering at the impacts, as she tried desperately to cling to his scaled back. The wounds were smoking. Dany saw one of the bolts burst into sudden flame. Another fell away, shaken loose by the beating of his wings. Below, she saw men whirling, wreathed in flame, hands up in the air as if caught in the throes of some mad dance.** A woman in a green tokar reached for a weeping child, pulling him down into her arms to shield him from the flames.** Dany saw the color vividly, but not the woman's face. People were stepping on her as they lay tangled on the bricks. Some were on fire.

(ADWD, Daenerys X)

And when it comes to killing children, it's not like Jon has any child hostages he thinks he could execute... right? What did Dany do with hers again?

So Jon's violence "is love" but Dany's violence is detestable. Ygritte's violence is detestable. Arya's violence is detestable. Val's violence is detestable. Note how frequently violence is done by Jon in Sansa's name and romanticized by the same fandom who condemns it as disturbing when done by the aforementioned female characters:

If that's not enough, this is taken a step further when Jonsas have Jon committing violence upon Dany for Sansa or in Sansa's name:

.....And this is a big reason why Dany stans and Sansa stans don't get along.

I think it's really quite incredible though. They claim Jon would hate Daenerys because she is a "terrible" person but their theories and their metas transform Jon into a wholly atrocious person. One even acknowledges it here!

So what would his problem be with Dany then...? Jon is not precious over violence, fire, or gender. He's not some fanatical Northern nationalist campaigning for separatism. Nor is Jon a sexist hypocrite who is against women doing violence.

On the contrary, Jon gets hot thinking about Val nearly slicing a guy's throat, arms women under his charge, and utilizes spearwives as one of the Night's Watch defences, specifically barring "blushing maidens looking to be protected":

All the same, the wildling princess was not beloved of her gaolers. She scorned them all as "kneelers," and had thrice attempted to escape. When one man-at-arms grew careless in her presence she had snatched his dagger from its sheath and stabbed him in the neck. Another inch to the left and he might have died.

Lonely and lovely and lethal, Jon Snow reflected, and I might have had her. Her, and Winterfell, and my lord father's name. Instead he had chosen a black cloak and a wall of ice. Instead he had chosen honor. A bastard's sort of honor.

(ADWD, Jon III)

"I will take any boy above the age of twelve who knows how to hold a spear or string a bow. I will take your old men, your wounded, and your cripples, even those who can no longer fight. There are other tasks they may be able to perform. Fletching arrows, milking goats, gathering firewood, mucking out our stables … the work is endless. And yes, I will take your women too. I have no need of blushing maidens looking to be protected, but I will take as many spearwives as will come."

"And girls?" a girl asked. She looked as young as Arya had, the last time Jon had seen her.

(ADWD, Jon V)

"Hardin's Tower." Of the sixty-three who had come back with him from Mole's Town, nineteen had been women and girls. Jon had housed them in the same abandoned tower where he had once slept when he had been new to the Wall. Twelve were spearwives, more than capable of defending both themselves and the younger girls from the unwanted attentions of black brothers. It was some of the men they'd turned away who'd given Hardin's Tower its new, inflammatory name. Jon was not about to condone the mockery. "Three drunken fools mistook Hardin's for a brothel, that's all. They are in the ice cells now, contemplating their mistake."

(ADWD, Jon VII)

I remain doubtful that a resurrected Jon will come back with a newfound... bigotry... acquired from his time with the undead

[asongofstarkandtargaryen]

Lysa had wept lakes the morning of their own wedding, through she had managed to be dry- eyed and radiant when Jon Arryn swept his cream-and-blue cloak over her shoulders.

ASOS, CATELYN VI.

According to jon//sas Catelyn is probably in love with Lysa since she's calling her "radiant".

[jonsaforeshadowing]

jonsa foreshadowing of the day: Sam Tarly is a stand-in for Sansa

[thelustybraavosimaid]

For your viewing pleasure since someone (aka the OP, the Jonsa who pretended *not* to be a Jonsa) screenshotted my initial reply and complained about it on the hellsite instead of replying to me. I took the time to go through all their Jonsa points. So enjoy, I guess.