#ABOUT ;; Baelfire

[rumbelle-scream]

imagine swanfire was our endgame and we arrived at gideon's plotline where he's supposed to kill emma, his sister-in-law. 🤣

[stars-and-galaxys]

PERHAPS FATE BROUGHT US TOGETHER

3x15//2x22//Mirror Traps - Hera Lindsay Bird//2x22//Uneven Odds - Sleeping at Last//Isle of the Dogs - Wes Anderson//2x14//5x11//2x22//Bring Him Home - Les Miserables//3x15

[mockiery]

it makes me crazy that like. In 2x06 Tallahassee when they were paralleling Hook and Neal with Emma's distrust, did that have planned that Killian was Neal/Baelfire's guardian and Bae was Killian's (unknowing) kinda stepson for a while? How much did they know about how Killian would've influenced the man Neal became yk? bc if I think about their narrative effects on each other especially in reference to Emma for 2 seconds I go down a spiral

Like I read on the wiki that Colin had been signed on for 5 episodes that could potentially turn into the full season, and Tallahassee is in those 5 but 2x22 And Straight On Til Morning definitely doesn't. was it in the ideas but hadn't been nailed down or did they come up with it later or was it the whole plan bc y'allllllll.

In the Enchanted Forest climbing the beanstalk to steal the golden compass, Emma's distrust of Hook is directly informed by her history with Neal/Baelfire as partners in crime that ended with Neal's betrayal.

Baelfire was on the Jolly Roger for an unspecified amount of time, under Hook's protection, and Killian took a liking to him enough to risk the wrath of Pan by hiding him. He taught him how to sail. He saw Milah and himself in Bae, he wanted to give Bae a home, a family.

Neal is shown on multiple occasions as being incredibly tactful, an effective and creative problem solver with street smarts for days. He doesn't like magic but he can play the game of it without having any. He's a survivor and self-preserver as much as Killian is, and is honestly better at it than Killian for the most part.

Bae lived in Neverland for as long as Killian did or longer, and he did it alone for most of that time, resisting being made a lost boy (at least not indefinitely, theres a lot that we don't know about Neverland character history). You could say he got a lot of his smarts from Rumple if u'd like, but Rumple protected and shielded him from the world, he didn't learn much that helped him survive from his father besides arguing and making deals.

So Bae learned his defining strengths on the fly trying to survive in Neverland and in the real world, and I think Killian would've taught him a lot too, a lot of the foundational stuff. Look at the way Killian enjoys looking after Henry in s3b onward, teaching him sailing, teaching him sword-fighting, busting out weighted die and teaching Henry that it's only cheating if you get caught. Killian sees Bae in Henry and says as much, and he's literally teaching Henry the same thing that he taught Bae with the sailing, and probably everything else. Bae learned thieving in London in the past before he met the Darlings, but u can't tell me he didn't learn plenty of pirate and thieving skills and ideas from Killian.

Emma's distrust of Hook is based in Neal's betrayal. But Neal's strengths and his approach to survival that drove him and Emma into the stolen watch situation in the first place were directly influenced by Killian. When August goes to Neal and tells him who Emma is, what her destiny is, Neal doesn't want to abandon her with nothing to show for it, but he does anyone thanks to August keeping the money. He doesn't know about Emma's pregnancy, he doesn't know that August is not going to be there for her like he asked him to. It's a selfish decision for him to screw her over without saying a word to her, but he's trying to believe August will have her back if he can't. And he wants out of this life of thievery, he'd talked about settling down with her. He wants a simple life, one that isn't on the run from the law or from magic, and he, now knowing Emma's identity and destiny, wants to get away bc now he knows he couldn't have that simple life with her, that her fate cannot be changed.

And August scratches at his insecurity of what life he's living now, that he's bad for Emma. So far he's been an improvement, but now she has family and people that are waiting on her and need her. In his weakness, in his fear, he thinks that he and that Emma aren't going to be able to change from these paths. A doubt that he learned from his father's betrayal and refusal to change for him, and one that he projected onto Killian after learning of his history with Milah and vengeance quest against Rumple.

Baelfire rejects Killian's plea that he stay, that Killian says he can change for Bae, but Baelfire doesn't believe it. He believes Killian only cares for himself and those kinds of people can't change, bc of his father. And Neal misses that he did the same when he betrayed Emma, that it was selfish of him to want to step away without facing her, without checking for himself, without trying harder, all because of her ties to the magical realm he wants nothing to do with.

With Bae's rejection, Killian does a very similar thing. I think he justifies handing Bae over to Pan bc Pan would find Bae anyway, its inevitable and Bae will never forgive him, so Killian might as well get something out of it. Bae doesn't trust him or want to stay with him anyway, might as well burn the bridge that Bae has torn down. With Pan pleased, he can kill Rumplestiltskin better than if Pan isn't happy, and maybe that'll be enough to do well by Bae and Milah, to kill the bastard who crushed Milah's heart for abandoning their son and then promptly abandoned his son anyway.

Neal justifies his betrayal by the fact that it'll be better for Emma in the long run, better for whatever curse bullshit she's destined to fix, and maybe he can see her again once all the magic bullshit he doesn't want anything to do with is done.

So when Emma sees Neal in Killian, she's seeing what Killian helped put there with what he did right and how he failed Bae, the survival instinct and destructive burning of bridges when things turn sideways. In 2x05 Hook flips to help Emma, Snow, and company to get the compass instead of Cora. So at the top of the beanstalk, she knows he'll betray if he sees a better option that suits him, and that's exactly what she thinks Neal did.

Anyway. I just wish the show didn't get weird love-triangle-y with Hook and Neal in s3, these two have way more baggage with each other than just them both crushing on Emma, like. Killian had an immense impact of who Neal became, and I neeeeeeeeded more about that dear god

[daisdu]

I actually so so love the trope where a character is so in love with a woman who they cannot be with that they feel a parental connection to her child by someone else, oftentimes a child they’ve never even met

I find it delightful both when the man is generally allied with the child like Hook and Baelfire in OUAT, but also when that relationship inexplicably makes them enemies, like Vlad and Danny in Danny Phantom

I just finished Nona the Ninth and people might disagree with me on this one, but I was getting a little bit of it from Pyrrha about Gideon

[his-lost-one]

honestly it’s so frustrating trying to figure out how old pan actually was. my current guess is roughly 250 bc hook once said that he was in neverland for about 200 years and rumple was probably a little over 50 when he killed milah and hook decided to go to neverland and yeah idk. almost feels like too short of a timespan but idk idk. to an extent, any guesses like that are irrelevant because ✨time doesn’t pass in neverland✨ except it kinda does??? like what does it even mean for time not to pass except for that not aging thing???

like it makes so little sense actually. because the dreamshade poison was able to travel through david’s body, so it’s obviously not completely static in terms of bodily functions and metabolism. but also that cut devin got from henry never healed like at all as far as we saw in the show, so it’s obviously not on the same level as in other realms (but then we also only saw devin in one episode so he’s not exactly a good example)

so like my theory is that some type of time has to exist in neverland, otherwise everything would’ve had to have been more static, but the time in neverland is slower or at least seems slower than normal time.

another example for this is imo when wendy spent that one night in neverland the first time and was surprised that she had only been gone for a day bc she thought it was longer.

another question i have here is how old rumple is by the time the neverland arc happens bc he was never really in a situation where time was altered after his first time being on neverland and being in storybrooke (although that’s debatable bc time did still pass there but more in a soft groundhog’s day kinda way and again without aging and everything). bc if we figured out rumple’s age we could also figure out hook’s, baelfire’s, and pan’s ages with at least rough but grounded estimates.

[reolf]

Just casually thinking of some of my favourite characters losing their children.

Rumplestilskin and Baelfire/ Neal

Rhaenyra and Lucerys

Neteyam and Neytiri and Jake

( not to mention the parallels between Neteyam’s death and Lucerys’ brother Jacaerys. Both dying at sea protecting their siblings.)

I am not okay.

[zangetsusundelion]

The great thing about being a fanfiction writer is that you can spend a horrifying amount of time on, say, the Once Upon a Time wiki, and say it's for research and have that somewhat be the truth.

[wastingstarsss]

Just had a whole realisation about rumple and dust and idk if the writers MEANT for it to have a significant impact on his character YET HERE I AM.

So we all know the infamous “I will truly, truly become dust” line about Bae being drafted in the war. And what happens? He loses Bae. Now bear in mind- this is ultimately because of magic and what has magic done to rumple? Made him the dark one- and you could argue his skin looks like dust.

Moving forward to Belle who Rumple brings to the castle cause “the place was filthy”, a lousy excuse for company but it’s probably true in that all his relics collected dust cause why would rumple spend his time cleaning them? He had thousands. So belle was his maid, and with the castle she cleaned him too. She kissed him, the dust cleared away and he started to become ‘a man’ again. But then he pushes her away and the mask of the monster- that dust- is back. AND THEN when Weaver kills the dark one, the dark one literally becomes dust!!! And AND think of the implications of dust. It’s just dead stuff. Rumple views himself as a dead thing without Belle and Baelfire.

And of course we can’t forget the implications of pixie dust- fairy magic which does *not* work with what Rumple is. He could’ve been good dust- light magic. A saviour. But instead due to twisted fate he became the dark one. The dead thing he thought he was.

Plus also his whole thing with Cora who becomes the queen of hearts. And what does she do? Collect hearts, yes, but the whole thing about hearts in the show is crushing them to dust. Her dynamic with Rumple was just another link to dark dust, And in teaching Regina, her breakthrough with dark magic is crushing hearts to dust

All magic comes with a price indeed, you turned yourself into the very thing you had convinced yourself you were.

[sassyandclassy94]

Mist Haven!Emma headcanon

Emma, unbeknownst to her mother, knows the words to too many bawdy tavern songs and, when under the guise of a peasant woman, joins along when they’re being sung and of course, Baelfire finds it both funny, and endearing

Her parents however, would die if they knew the shenanigans their daughter is up to when not performing her royal duties.

[depressedstressedlemonzest]

Belle finds a scroll that maps out a meteor shower that she wants to see. She asks Rumplestiltskin to join her, but he dismisses her, and the idea. It's not until Jefferson tells Rumple that Belle was asking him out that Rumple entertains the thought of watching the meteor shower with her.

[enchantedxhearts]

Happy boop day, everyone 🥲

[doerot]

I'm actually so happy they took once upon a time off of netfix bc I was about to give in and rewatch it and I do not need that rn

[im-up-to-shenanigans]

tumblr really is getting me in my hookfire feels today. just made a (slightly incoherent) post about this very thing a couple hours ago only to find this on my dash?????

and like... everyone in the tags are so right but kazzy is literally killing me dead. she put into words things i have thought for YEARS

guys go read her tags (they are everything)

i'm crying rn

[starwrittenfates]

I hope you accept curious anons - why did you decide to make an AU female version of Bae? I'm not against it, just curious.

Oh yes, I accept curious anons. I knew others might be curious and ask questions as to why to I made an AU Female!Baelfire, so I don't mind it at all.

While I love Baelfire/Neal Cassidy (he's honestly my second fave character besides Rumple), I didn't like what they did to him in Season 3. I also didn't like the storyline with Tamara. But I ESPECIALLY DESPISE what the writers did in having Bae absorbed by Rumple and of course, Bae's death. Hence...why I made my own AU Female!Baelfire.

Now granted, I was originally just going to make a Canon Divergent Baelfire that doesn't follow the mess of Zelena and lives on, but I also got curious and wanted to make a Female!Baelfire--- (I know, rule 63 of the internet. I've had others pick on me for it before.) But as I started thinking about her and her male counterpart, I realized that while she would share the same backstory with Main Baelfire when it comes to the Enchanted Forest, her time with the Darling's, and Neverland, everything after that would be different because Henry wouldn't exist. Hence why she ended up becoming an AU Female!Baelfire.

I also figured since I remember OUAT going into parallels worlds or different things, why couldn't there be a world where Baelfire was a girl instead of a boy?

But I am tempted to add the Main Verse Baelfire on here too. However, if I do, he would be canon divergent like his Papa for the same reasons.

[scvereignreignedarchived]

TAG DROP - RED / RUBY LUCAS PART 2

🐺– aesthetic

🐺– wardrobe

🐺– musings

🐺– about

🐺– hook

🐺– baelfire

🐺– pinocchio

🐺– graham

🐺– victor frakenstien

[sassyandclassy94]

“I love you. And I probably always will.”

Because I miss SwanFire very, very much