#1989 is about dianna agron
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asteracaea · 1 year ago
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love how planting the rumor that bad blood was about katy perry and a feud over dancers made people completely overlook the parallel of "you know we used to be mad love" and "this mad mad love made you come running and stand back wasted where you stood"
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merp-blerp · 10 months ago
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Cinematic parallels
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12triceratops · 7 months ago
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Where the rubber meets the road.
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These two didn't just have a relationship, they had a (soul)utionship. "The Prophecy" Hand on the throttle Thought I caught lightning in a bottle...
What these two had was magical. There is no debate that Karlie Kloss and Taylor Swift were electric: (I am using past tense for the moment, I will refer to them in present tense a bit later in the post)
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Fast forward a decade later to Fortnight. This record did not hit me immediately the way "Folklore" and "Evermore" did, It has almost been a week since its release and I hadn't been fully onboard with TTPD. I was expecting something different, something not familiar and I had quite literally thought maybe Jack Antinoff and Taylor Swift had reached their limit together as collaborators. The music produced by Aaron Dressner had flavors and connections to "Folklore" and "Evermore," while parts of the album was reminiscent of "1989." My next thought that maybe the three of them had done all they could do.
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And then the Matty Healy conversation exploded across the net (le sigh), and I just about gave up on the record.
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I damn near had a sanguinary struggle within myself over The Tortured Poets Department (I know, that is very dramatic lol), and then I finally got it. The brilliance of this woman is unmatched.
The last song "The Manuscript." Now and then she rereads the manuscript Of the entire torrid affair
"The entire torrid affair" meaning the last decade (probably longer, but I am sticking with 2014-2024). The title isn't lost on me and many others - The Man-U-Script.
The last segment of the song
The only thing that's left is the manuscript One last souvenir from my trip to your shores Now and then I reread the manuscript But the story isn't mine anymore
She is closing the chapter on all of it. It's over, the countless theories, the stories we all have created about her. They're our stories now, we built them into a formidable, monstrous entity that took on a life of its own. "The last souvenir" are her words to us on this album. From the Swifities, to the Gaylors/Kaylors, to the haters, critics, industry, fans, media. She won't play this game anymore. Taylor gave enough clues on this album to make EVERYONE'S theory plausible (Karlie, Joe, Matty, Travis, Harry, Kim etc). She connected threads to come full circle, which brings us back to "1989," that 1980s syth-pop (hello! "I Can Do It With A Broken Heart"). This is why she and Jack Antonoff brought us back to where it all began, Karlie Kloss and #Kissgate (Dianna Agron, too, who can forget "Wonderland). Aaron Dressner summons moments within this records of the two albums that fractured my soul, F & E. That folky-pop melody that gets into your skin to change the DNA. No joke, I sobbed listening to "Folklore" and "Evermore."
With TTPD, Taylor comes in like a thrashing, tumultuous storm; at times seething and others admonishing. She is singing to herself, for herself and without need of approval from the mainstream radio (or anyone else). TTPD is messy, too much, not enough, vulnerable, real, relatable and she is tired of our collective shit.
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Back to "The Manuscript" This Era has come to an end and she is leaving us with the ruins, the aftermath of what she went through: being forced to hide who she really is, having to placate the rabid fans who believe the stories of every boy she has ever dated. She has had zero privacy and the only safe place Taylor has ever had was her music, she is the ONLY one who knows to whom she sings. Does she love her fans, of course, but Mother is tired and done. She is ready to come clean and live the life she has crafted to keep in secret in order to protect the innocent.
The beards, NDAs, slight of hand, she is smashing all that we know. It's not her reflection she seeks to shatter, it's the illusions. In "Fortnight" the nurse, a woman (cannot convince me that it's not Karlie. A doorframe is 6'8" and that nurse is about 5" shorter that frame, which would make that person 6'3" :), comes to save her, gives her the key to set her free. The men in the video are the ones who are torturing her. Like the last 10 years, The poet has been tortured by the department of men: Joe, John, Conner, Jake, Harry, Calvin, Tom, Joe, Matty, Travis, Scooter, Scott, and the list goes on.
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It's "Robin" that has got a choke-hold on me.
Buried down deep And out of your reach The secret we all vowed To keep it from you in sweetness
She is singing to a child, a kid, and I am going to say a little boy. Is this song about Levi? I am going to say yes. Hands down the gem of the album, and our cue to realize she is telling us what is next, her family, the loves of her life: Karlie and the kids. That is what she wants and that will be her next chapter. We struggle to interpret the Taylor that is always ten steps ahead of us. Her Eras Tour, this will be the last one for a while. Once it has wrapped, I wouldn't be surprised if she disappeared for a spell. Will she produce more work, sure. Perform, probably, but this last decade has taken a toll, and this tour has been a herculean effort. Hence, its wild success. Could she retire (FLORIDA)? It's possible, but she would never tell us, we would have to figure that out for ourselves.
I have more to say, but it's late and I am sleepy. As I get lost in the piano of "The Manuscript" I am reminded of the book "The Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo"
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Not sure if anyone is going to see or read this, but I needed a place to write my thoughts about this extraordinary album that I almost let slip through my fingers. Good night and sleep well everyone <3
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taylorklosscomeout138 · 6 days ago
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Where does swiftgron fit in your timeline? I thought kaylor was from 2012-13
I used to believe all love songs on Red had to be about Swiftgron because based on the Kaylor officially met in 2013 false narrative, it was impossible for songs to be about Karlie
But then I discovered the video where Taylor confirms she met Karlie at the 2008 Young Hollywood Awards so pretty much they lied about the entire tl to cover their tracks
(This is going to be a long wild ride but it's worth the read so please bare with me)
That led me to discover the 10000% proof that Begin Again is about Karlie because her full name and birth year is hidden on a car license plate in the MV. (That also led to me finding out many Red songs are about Karlie)
Taylor started officially dating Karlie in 2011, Kaylor began before Swiftgron. But by Summer of 2012 Kaylor and Swiftgron overlap. And thus we get the Folklore love triangle. "Chase 2 girls lose the 1" and she swears to Betty it was "just a summer thing"
(Which I need to fact check this for clarity, Betty August Rebekah are all Karlie. August is not a seperate person that was a bait and switch. Dianna Agron is Inez. The person Betty heard the rumours that James cheated from... how did Inez know if it was a secret? Because she was the other party in the affair. Inez derives from the Latin name AGnes)
Okay so back to "just a summer thing", well the actual confirmed Swiftgron timeline literally is called "The Swiftgron Summer" of 2012. So this makes it very obvious that the "summer thing" is when she started seeing Dianna despite being with Karlie. It is explained in Folklore that this ended their relationship initially
So now the timeline makes sm sense when you know How You Get The Girl was written about Taylor losing Karlie for 6 months due to this. And showing up to her doorstep to make it up to her after officially leaving Dianna in the Fall.
The 6 months would span the beginning of Summer, to November of 2012. I believe this is also why Red TV was released in Nov 2021. It is quite literally the same date, just rearranged.
So let's reflect back, because if Swiftgron really was only official in Summer of 2012 (which is also made apparent by Dianna and Lea Michele's timeline) and Red came out in Oct of 2012, then makes it impossible that Red songs could actually be about Dianna Agron besides the potential of a couple last minute love songs, but even then, albums are turned in months prior to the release.
Therefore, Red is likely only Liz Huett and Karlie Kloss. I was not apart of the fandom during Swiftgron, I joined way later, so I honestly do not understand how anyone ever concluded Red is about Swiftgron and didn't question that when even the masterpost makes it clear Swiftgron was mainly just a summer thing in 2012 and Dianna was with Lea Michele still in 2011. I can understand thinking Red was about her though based on just not having any other fitting muse due to the lie narrative about Kaylor.
But my friend even fact checked the one lyric on Red everyone thought to 100% be about Dianna from Holy Ground "I left a note on the door with a joke we made"
But the evidence comes from Dianna's birthday party at the end of April 2012. Whereas Taylor factually wrote Holy Ground in Feb 2012, 2 months prior to that.... which I also have no idea how that never got fact checked and was ran with.
I even believed it up until my friend told me about it a few weeks ago but that's because I've never looked into facts about the Swiftgron timeline much until finding out that the entire timeline as we knew it was a false public narrative timeline used to cover up Kaylor history of the past. So needless to say.... very shocking. And it changes everything
This basically means that Swiftgron doesn't even officially get a song until 1989- and even then it's half Karlie half Dianna as confirmed by Kimby Kloss in her messy era when she liked a post of someone saying YAIL is the Kaylor anthem and Wonderland is the Swiftgron anthem.
So there you have it. Honestly this isn't even beginning to scratch the surface because there is so many things about the timeline that have been misunderstood for so long.
Including that Enchanted off of Speak Now was the first ever song written about Karlie. It was just a fantasy song at the time, but the reason we all believed it to be about Emma Stone was because that's what she was going for. Why? Because when Taylor met Karlie for the first time in 2008 it was at the same time she met Emma Stone. The guy who introduced them said he brought Karlie and Emma over her to her at the same time. Hence why on Speak Now TV she coded Karlie as Emma with "When Emma Falls In Love".
I can definitely get into the breakdown of Red as to what songs are about Liz Huett and what songs are about Karlie if that's something you or anyone else would like! Me and my discord have already reassessed the whole album through this lens awhile ago
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throwbackgaylor · 4 months ago
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august 10, 2015 | nine years ago today
taylor interviewed for gc and indirectly spoke about whether ‘bad blood’ was actually about katy perry
while doing so, she revealed that it was in fact about an ex
it’s interesting to note that during the 1989 tv google puzzles last year, dianna agron’s first name could be found within the puzzle for ‘bad blood’
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longstoryshort22 · 1 year ago
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all 1989tv vault tracks are about dianna agron
Slut:
“everyone wants him that was my crime” at that time everyone knew taylor was dating harry because they were going on pap walks since the start of their relationship, and also everyone loved and wanted him. So from “lovelorn and nobody knows” we can know that the one she was really in love with…was not harry. The “he” she refers to in the song is harry, but the “you” is another person, who she was privately dating. That’s why she said she would pay the price of everyone calling her a slut but “you” wouldn’t, because nobody knew about the secret “you”.
And then she realizes that if people are gonna judge her for everything she does, she might as well be with someone she truly loves.
Also, the flamingo pink, which I think they posted around the same time—
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Say Don’t Go:
“why'd you have to lead me on?” harry wasn’t leading taylor on, they were full on dating.
“why'd you whisper in the dark? just to leave me in the night?” I think harry stayed the night with Taylor a few times, so he wouldn’t have to leave her in the night because everyone knew they were dating, but dianna would have to.
“the waiting is a sadness. fading into madness” I really don’t think harry could make her that mad, if you agree Wonderland is about dianna then this is too.
This is like a breakup song, and I’ll say it once and for all—the breakup songs on 1989 can’t be about karlie, kaylor were just in the beginning when taylor wrote the album.
Now That We Don’t Talk:
“I cannot be your friend, so I pay the price of what I lost and what it cost” “truth is I can't pretend it's platonic” a very we’re-friends-but-want-to-be-more situation, which fits right into a gay relationship. Also, when were harry and taylor ever platonic? Neither of them needed to pretend they’re platonic because they started dating right after they met and everyone knew that they were dating so it just doesn’t make sense.
“what do you tell your friends, we shared dinners, long weekends with?” everyone knew harry and taylor were dating, so did their friends, then why would taylor add “what did you tell your friends” when there was nothing to explain about them sharing dinners and weekends because they were dating!!
“you part the crowd like the Red Sea”
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“you grew your hair long. you got new icons”some people may argue that dianna didn’t grow her hair long at that time, but this line can be figurative, saying that dianna changed her brand (maybe “straighten” up) and everything.
Suburban Legends:
“I had the fantasy that maybe our mismatched star signs would surprise the whole school”
taylor is a Sagittarius, harry is a Aquarius, karlie is a Leo, and dianna is a Taurus—
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“class reunion”, “1950s gymnasium”, and the lockers in the lyric video visuals, it’s all very Glee (and the cheerios) coded
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“I pace down your block” brings back to I Wish You Would, and that song is about dianna.
“when you told me we'd get back together”“waves crash on the shore, I dash to the door, you don't knock anymore, and my whole life's ruined” same concept as Style, a relationship that’s on and off and in the end taylor realized that that person would always come back into her life no matter how many times they left, so her life’s ruined (in a good way). And Style is obviously about dianna.
Is It Over Now:
also talking about an on and off relationship, in which she kept wondering if they were over or not. taylor and harry only dated for two or three months, how can they fell apart and came back together over and over again?! It’s very Out Of The Woods and Style coded, and so it’s about dianna.
I know “when you lost control. red blood, white snow” is a reference to their snowmobile accident, also mentioned in Out Of The Woods, but personally I think that song is about the pain of bearding and not being able to be with the one she truly loved (dianna). So in Out Of The Woods she’s talking to harry, but it’s more like “are we out of this faking pretending painful relationship?” And maybe when the accident happened, with the sun coming up and them looking at each other, they realized they didn’t want to do it anymore, it wasn’t worth it, so they decided to set each other free.
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batmanisagatewaydrug · 1 year ago
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gaylor has been a thing since like 2009 or earlier and i used to be a gaylor and the funny thing is. The sentence in the prolonged they're so mad about isn't even about gay rumors. at the time of 1989s creation her gay rpf ship was with dianna agron who was NOT in the girl squad, and the big sensationalized gay rumor thing didn't happen in her life until 2015 (AFTER 1989). she's talking about when her and her friends were portrayed as Preying On The Town Hunting Men Together. she truly is not even referencing the gay rumors i was SHOCKED everyone thought she was.
thank god we've finally got someone live from Taylor hq who can speak definitively on this
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taytaay131313 · 1 year ago
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I’m just here to say something before 1989 TV drops.
If you really think all of the 1989 album is about Dianna Agron please unfollow me. I am not interested in being mutuals with people who want to erase Karlie Kloss from that album and its story. For me the album is about both so I respect swiftgron lore to some point and songs are pretty easy to tell apart about which muse was she writing about but I will not tolerate Karlie erasure especially when we get those vault tracks. Not happening on my blog under my watch. 🩵
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gotasenseivebeenbetrayed · 1 year ago
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It's so annoying to check the Haylor tag and see (mostly Gaylors and Larries) saying dumb shit like "did you even read the prologue of 1989?" Idk babe, did YOU? Because if you're still a Gaylor after that and the other multiple times she's said she's straight, an ally, and to stop shipping her with women then are you even truly a fan of hers? She was saying, in the nicest way possible, AGAIN that she is straight and tired of people shipping her with her FRIENDS. She dated Harry, so linking songs to him is not what she is talking about in the prologue. For the males, she was referring to her male FRIENDS - ie. Ed Sheeran and honestly I have no idea now who her other male friends are because she's kept them so secret but, I know she was also linked with Cory Moneith back in the day as well as Zac Efron who were clearly just friends with her.
The other thing I have seen is "you have no proof Haylor ever happened outside of 2012 besides their song lyrics". Yes, no shit. Did you hear Harry? I'm not even a huge Harry fan and even I know he specifically did an interview (maybe multiple) where he said lyrics/songs were "the best unspoken dialogue between people". Like, he gave you the proof right there. So if you can't put 2 + 2 together then idk what to tell you.
All of 1989 indicates a relationship that failed mostly due to the paparazzi/media influence. Firstly, I have no idea how anyone could ever link that to Dianna Agron when IF they had been in a relationship it was secret so it could not possibly have failed due to the media/paparazzi. I'm assuming those who believe this just do not get metaphors? Because in "I Know Places" she's not talking about hiding a queer relationship, she's talking about the paparazzi hounding her and Harry early into their relationship (he also talked about this and how at the time it was overwhelming for him and he hated it) - I know she also made comments about this back then as well - and she was trying to be his safe place and saying "I know places we can hide from them". The hunters with their guns are literally paparazzi with their cameras. Literally the entire song:
"It's a scene and we're out here in plain sight I can hear them whisper as we pass by It's a bad sign, bad sign Somethin' happens when everybody finds out See the vultures circlin', dark clouds Love's a fragile little flame, it could burn out It could burn out"
"Lights flash and we'll run for the fences Let them say what they want, we won't hear it Loose lips sink ships all the damn time Not this time"
"They take their shots, but we're bulletproof"
All of this is about a public relationship.
"Out Of The Woods" is referring to both the relationship "are we out of the bad parts of our relationship?" and "being out of the media's spotlight causing them issues".
"Wonderland" talking about flashing lights (paparazzi) and them getting lost away from it. Again, media and paparazzi and needing to run/hide from them.
"But there were strangers watchin' And whispers turned to talkin' And talking turned to screams, oh"
That's literally explaining people watching them then running wild in the media and it turned to them fighting.
Haylor was photographed quite a few times but, there were also tons of instances where they were together that was not reported by the media - but fans saw them out and about. So clearly she did know places they could hide from the media.
As for "Slut!" it literally ties in perfectly with every other 1989 song, so again - how is ANY of that about Dianna? She's saying "everyone wanted him that was my crime", aka I get called a slut because everyone wants him and hates me for having him. I'm sorry but, as pretty as Dianna is - she was never someone "everyone wanted". And if their relationship was a secret, then why would Taylor fear being called a slut and how "it'd be worth it for once"?
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kaylorstree · 1 year ago
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My 1989 (Taylor’s Version) From The Vault Tracks Analysis
This is my gaylor analysis of the bonus tracks- please be patient with me, these were only released recently!
The are the gayest from the vault tracks in my opinion. (Also the worst in my opinion, ironically. That’s why it took me so long to analyse them).
Slut!
Essentially the theme of the song ‘If they call me a Slut! it might just be worth it for once’ I think means she’ll gain a new beard (Calvin Harris/Tom Hiddleston/Joe Alywn) so society with scrutinise and slut shame her, but it is all worth it to be with Karlie.
‘Flamingo pink’ Flamingos are symbolic of lesbianism
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‘Handprints in wet cement’
Hand to look for this but I remembered-
There was a lot of speculation about whether the ‘J 🩷 KK’ could have been changed from ‘TS KK’ due to the shape of the heart, and the fact Karlie visited it multiple times.
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‘Sunrise Boulevard’ Karlie is called a ray of sunshine, but also when I looked up Sunrise Boulevard the map looks like ‘a crooked love in a straight line down.’
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‘Aquamarine’ is Taylor’s birth stone, and a really queer coded film about a mermaid trying to live on land and learn about love. (Go watch Aquamarine if you haven’t seen it!)
‘Tangerine’ We have known this has been symbolic of Karlie, notably since the YNTCD video.
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The lyrics to the song Tangerine Girl are also very interesting.
asher roth tangerine girl lyrics https://g.co/kgs/4iT5de
‘Love lorn and nobody knows’ We wouldn’t know if she was going through any break-up if she had a beard/a relationship we didn’t know about (Dianna Agron/Karlie Kloss)
‘Love thorn’ relates to ‘All my flowers grew back as thorns’ ‘I was was poison ivy but now I’m your daisy’
‘Love sick all over my bed’ has parallels to Hits Different
‘Send the Code’ Karlie is a coder
‘This is luxury’ parallels KOMH ‘The taste of your lips is my idea of luxury.’
‘Pretty face’ Not something you’d really say about somebody male.
Is It Over Now?
‘Before I called you a lying traitor’
‘You searched in every model’s bed for something greater.’ I mean, c’mon!
‘Only rumours about my hips and thighs’
‘Wilt of a rose’
The rose a metaphor for waiting.
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Suburban Legends
‘We didn’t come here to be Suburban Legends’
‘I didn’t come here to make friends’
‘We were born to be national treasures’
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‘You had people call you on unmarked numbers in my periphery’ parallels Snow On The Beach
‘When I ended up at that school reunion’
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Say Don’t Go
I’m feeling like this is more Swiftgron in all honesty. Definitely about keeping a love secret.
We’re a shot in the darkest dark’ = ‘We never had a shotgun shot in the dark’
The dark also being a metaphor for being in the closet
‘I’m standing on a tight rope alone’ parallels to The Red Tour.
‘Half way out the door’
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‘You’re not mine’
‘Cards you show’
Now That We Don’t Talk
‘I cannot be your friend so I pay the price of what I lost’
‘On the way home’
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‘You grew your hair long’ Only a girl would be able to do this.
‘I can’t pretend it’s platonic’
‘On a mega yacht with important men who think important thoughts’
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‘The only way to get my back my dignity was to turn into a shrouded mystery just like when you were chasing me, because that’s the way it has to be.’
Let me know your thoughts down below, and tell me if you want more analysis of anything else! 🌼
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tayloralisonswift · 11 months ago
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"1989 is not about dianna agron" why do you say that? dianna is very pretty and apparently a very lovely person. you don't think taylor could deserve her? is that what you're saying?
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mazes-and-the-madness · 5 months ago
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Camila is saying she wrote a lot of her songs about Harry styles lmfao 💀
I mean, we're also supposed to think that about Taylor Swift but 1989 makes much more sense to be about Dianna Agron...
Are we actually supposed to believe that Camila wrote in South of the Border "I love his lips 'cause he says the words 'Te amo mamí' " about Harry Styles' pasty white ass?? Not to mention, Terrified is about someone she was actually involved with, not just crushing on. Camila has lied in interviews before, and I'll bet that she's lying now.
(Also in the future could you all send receipts along with these updates? That would make my life much easier, thanks.)
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spade-riddles · 2 years ago
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May I ask what your thoughts are?
About the entire picture?
I truly believe in the sources on this blog. Obviously 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 anon being number one in our hearts ❤️ and minds around here.
I believe that Taylor is meticulously executing a coming out. I also believe that a book is involved (hence the ‘read into it’ last comment by 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 anon).
I have no idea on the timing, but I admit it feels like things are picking up steam. I think she is currently re-creating the 1989 era (which Matt Healy/KissGate and Dianna Agron were heavily discussed back then). I am sure she asked Dianna and past beards if they wanted to be involved or at least made them aware of her plans. Based on the Rolling Stone article it seems that Dianna chose to have some involvement in the roll out.
I am happy for her because she looks really happy and free right now on tour.
My only question is how the devil is dealt with..
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throwbackgaylor · 6 months ago
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may 24, 2014 | ten years ago today
taylor interviewed for vogue uk’s november edition while in nyc
she told them “how she had just been away with Karlie Kloss and what a “completely awesome" human being she is”
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the interviewer noted the framed photos taylor had hanging in her hallway, including those of karlie kloss in big sur
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they had also reached out to karlie kloss for a testimonial about taylor:
“Taylor's an incredible and special friend of mine. She's humble, caring and thoughtful, and she has a huge heart.”
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taylor spoke about 1989 and its themes, along with being single for an estimated 18 months
roughly 18 months prior was nov/dec 2012, the likely time she and dianna agron broke up. ‘all you had to do was stay’ was written a month later in january of 2013, signifying this further
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taylor described ‘i know places’ as the realization “that any relationship I ever have will have to be hidden - or else it will be destroyed before it even starts”, explicitly confirming that she does hide her relationships from the public
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taylor said she sees each album as being set in its own environment
speak now is, “sort of a magical, enchanted forest”
red is, “like running through a field in the suburbs”
1989 is, “very much New York”
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the following day, the interviewer received a bouquet of peonies with one of taylor’s favorite quotes:
“‘Look closer and you'll see something extraordinary, mystifying... something real and true. We have never been what we've seemed.’ My favourite quote from Z. Love, Taylor.”
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haylorinthewoods · 2 years ago
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I do think Taylor and Harry genuinely dated, but I’ve been getting bombarded with how much wonderland fits with dianna agron. Maybe I’m being brainwashed lol but I don’t think it’s about Harry at all. There’s not much to back up (besides 1989 being about Harry)
I don’t think Taylor wrote any romantic songs about any of her friends. I think Wonderland is about Harry because it’s on theme other songs about him like OOTW, and I Know Places.
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womanexile · 1 year ago
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Oh. Oh honey. The gaylors are losing their shit about the prologue note. It's Lavendergate 2.0 for them. I wager that tommorow, Hell breaks loose because they will go on tangents about homophobia and queer baiting.
Sidenote, due to Karlie Kloss' stance on Palestine a fair few gaylors are dropping her. For good, let us pray. Now, she'll always be an important figure in their circles, but I think that if this sentiment spreads far enough, they might finally get a new idol or ressurect an old one (if the latter happens it will most likely be Dianna Agron due to 1989).
Which should be interesting because I genuinely think the reason that they've stuck to Karlie this long is because there's just no other woman that close to Taylor anymore. You know, some speculate on Kravitz or Gomez or even Sabrina Carpenter and Olivia Rodrigo lately (which is extra weird; though Olivia is seen as an unrequited crush on Olivia's side, it still feels wrong) but they can never settle and find enough "proof" so they drop them and they never spread far enough.
So I'm curious to see who they'd pick if this actually happens.
I’ve seen some starting to accuse TS of queerbaiting already. That’s them putting their own delusions onto her.
I think they’ll go with Kravitz.
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