#1 samuel

[camfusedly]

Hi I, an atheist, am reading the Bible for some reason (not the whole thing) and I'm reading a Bible that was given to me as a child (translation is NLT). Want to see some homophobic Bible translation.

"THEY BECAME THE BEST OF FRIENDS"

"NO HOMO, BIBLE EDITION"

Want to see how an accurate Bible translation does this verse?

LOVED HIM AS HIS OWN SOUL

THAT'S SOME GAY SHIT RIGHT THERE

DON'T DENY ME THAT, NLT

[wardrobe-warrior]

There is no Heterosexual explanation for David and Jonathan

1 Samuel 18: 1

"As soon as he had finished speaking to Saul, the soul of Jonathan was knit to the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul."

(https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Samuel%2018%3A1-11&version=ESV)

I'm sorry, soulmates?

2 Samuel 1:26

"I am distressed for you, my brother Jonathan; very pleasant have you been to me;     your love to me was extraordinary,     surpassing the love of women."

(https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Samuel%201%3A26&version=ESV)

That last line there is so definitley straight. I can think of no straighter thing to say.

[heart-for-god]

1 Samuel 3:10

[hiddenplacx]

[idylls-of-the-divine-romance]

Thinking about nephesh being translated "soul" but meaning "being". Thinking about nephesh referring to someone's physical being. Thinking about the lover calling her beloved "The one my nephesh loves." Thinking about Jonathan loving David as his own nephesh. Thinking about Jonathan's nephesh being knit to the nephesh of David.

Now what the heck could that mean???

[rabbitprayer]

1 Samuel 24:12 | David Spares Saul, Horace Castrelli, 19th c | 1 Samuel 24:17 | Saul and David in the Cave of En-Gedi, Willem de Poorter, 17th c | 1 Samuel 25:33 | Abigail throws herself at David’s feet, Weltchronik, 14th c

[aspirant1598]

[pertencoati]

SILÊNCIO

Vivemos em um tempo em que parece que tudo precisa e deve ser exposto. Falamos e postamos sem pensar, especialmente sobre o que estamos sentindo — sentimentos que, por vezes, ainda nem processamos em nós mesmos.

Em 1ª Samuel, vemos a história de Ana, uma mulher que não podia ter filhos, pois o próprio Deus havia fechado sua madre. Apesar de ser muito amada por seu marido, Elcana — que também era casado com Penina, a qual já tinha filhos —, Ana vivia angustiada, pois seu maior desejo era ser mãe. Penina aproveitava essa situação, sempre que possível, para zombar de Ana, o que a deixava em uma angústia ainda mais profunda. No entanto, em vez de sair por aí se lamentando, Ana orou e chorou aos pés do Senhor, que ouviu suas súplicas e, no tempo certo, permitiu que ela concebesse.

Aprendemos aqui que, quando desabafamos com o Pai, há uma mudança de cenário: a oração de um coração angustiado pode se transformar em um culto de ação de graças.

[booksofthebiblebracketpoll]

1 Samuel propaganda: none

Joshua propaganda: none

[camfusedly]

Bad news, everybody. I, an atheist, am looking through my New Living Translation Bible again (which I was given as a child.) (Note: This post will be about gay stuff under the cut.)

I was leafing through the first, pre-Bible pages and lo and behold. Look what I found.

This book is like "Hey here's some nice verses you might want to look up 😊" ***smacks you over the face with ABORTION***

Obviously the latter four of these are not directly about abortion in any way. But the first citation, if you read it in a good translation (unlike the NLT), it actually makes more sense to mean that the unborn are not considered people!! (Here's a three-minute video where the scholar Dan McClellan discusses abortion in the Bible, he addresses Exodus 21 about 50 seconds in.)

I had to look up what they had to say about homosexuality.

These verses probably* really are homophobic, but these summaries extrapolate them to harm the maximum number of queers.

(*I say "probably" because I think there is some wiggle-room to say "It's not about the gays at all!" Like I know the "It's about child abuse!" interpretation is popular among my crowd. I was convinced for a while but now I'm back to thinking that the above verses are probably homophobic.)

However, if there was a verse finder list for "David and Jonathan loving each other" that would be a much longer list!! In terms of sheer numbers, the Samuels are much more concerned with "Hey did you know David and Jonathan LOVED each other 👀" than the entire rest of the Bible is concerned with "Tell those [slurs] to stop fucking!"

But my favorite part is how they editorialize that "homosexual behavior has no place among Christians." And then. I turn a few more pages. And what do I see.

This long-ass page, absolutely kissing King James' ASS (my Bible has the NLT in one column and the King James in another).

If you want to read some love letters from King James to some young hot guy, here you go. He ends one of them like this: "And so God bless you, my sweet child and wife, and grant that ye may ever be a comfort to your dear dad and husband."

Sounds like homosexual behavior among some Christians.

[heart-for-god]

1 Samuel 2:2

[craigtowens]

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[rabbitprayer]

> be me, a medium in endor

> mfw king saul outlaws all mediums and those who consult spirits of the dead in israel

> guy shows up at my house asking me to call up the spirit of a dead guy

> wtf.jpg

> I ask him if he's trying to get me killed

> he swears an oath in the name of the Lord that nothing bad will happen to me

> okayyyyy

> he asks me to call up samuel?? I do

> old guy wrapped in a robe comes out of the earth and he looks pissed

> I realize that the guy who asked me to call him is king saul in disguise

> WHATTHEHELL.jpg

> saul asks ghost samuel what to do since God has left him

> ghost samuel says that the Lord has torn the kingdom away from saul and given it to his rival, david. he will hand saul, his sons, and the army of israel over to the philistines tomorrow.

> Saul falls on the ground

> I try to get the guy to sit up, eat something, anything. get this guy out of my house already.

> his entourage comes in and see the situation.

> they get him off the floor and onto my couch at least. they're begging him to eat.

> I go outside and kill the calf that I've been fattening, cook the meat, then make some unleavened bread from scratch. when I bring the meal to saul and his goons, they eat it and leave without saying thank you or tipping.

what do I even do after that? advice?

[sag-dab-sar]

Deity Dagan

Originally a god of West Semitic speakers from the Levant, but worshipped widely throughout the Near East, including Mesopotamia.

Deity of grain, as well as its cultivation and storage. Indeed, the common word for "grain" in Ugaritic and Hebrew is dagan. According to one Sumerian tradition and to the much later Philo of Byblos, Dagan invented the plow. In the north, he was sometimes identified with Adad. Thus, he may have had some of the characteristics of a storm god. In one tradition his wife was Ishara, in another Salas, usually wife of Adad. Salas was originally a goddess of the Hurrians. Dagan also had netherworld connections. According to an Assyrian composition, he was a judge of the dead in the lower world, serving with Nergal and Misa-ru(m), the god of justice. A tradition going back at least to the fourth century BCE identified Dagan as a fish god, but it is almost certainly incorrect, presumably having been based upon a false etymology that interpreted the element "Dag" in Dagan as deriving from the Hebrew word dag "fish."

The earliest mentions of him come from texts that indicate that, in Early Dynastic times, Dagan was worshipped at Ebla. Dagan was taken into the Sumerian pantheon quite early as a minor god in the circle of Enlil at Nip-pur. Kings of the Old Akkadian peri-od, including Sargon and Narām-Sin, credited much of their success as conquerors to Dagan. Sargon recorded that he "prostrated (himself in prayer before Dagan in Tutul [sic]" (Oppen-heim, ANET: 268). At the same time, he gave to the god a large area of the country he had just conquered, including Mari, Ebla, and larmuti in western Syria. A number of letters from the Mari archives, dated mainly to the reign of Zimri-Lim, record that Dagãn was a source of divine revela-tion. The letters reported prophetic dreams, a number of which came from Dagan, conveyed by his prophets and ecstatics. In his law code, Hammu-rapi credits Dagan with helping him subdue settlements along the Euphrates.

The Assyrian king Samsi-Adad I commissioned a temple for him at Terqa, upstream from Mari, where funeral rites for the Mari Dynasty took place.

In the Old Babylonian period, kings of the Amorites erected temples for Dagan at Isin and Ur. In the Anzû(m) myth, Dagan was favorably coupled with Anu(m). At Ugarit Dagan was closely associated with, if not equated to, the supreme god El/I(u). Although he is mentioned in the mythic compositions of Ugarit as the father of the storm god Ba'lu/ Had(d)ad, Dagan plays only a very minor role. His popularity is indicated by his importance in offering and god lists, one of which places him third, after the two chief gods and before the active and powerful god Ba'lu/ Had(d)ad. Dagan is attested in Ugaritic theophoric names. In Ugaritic texts the god is often referred to as "Dagan of Tuttul." It might also be the case that one of the two major temples of the city of Ugarit was dedicated to him, and he might there have been identified with the chief god I(u) / El.

Festivals for Dagãn took place at Ter-ga and Tuttul, both of which were cult centers of the god. He was certainly worshipped at Ebla and also at Mari.

At Mari, in Old Babylonian times, he appears as fourth deity on a god list; that is, he was very important. He was venerated also at Emar. There a "Sacred Marriage" ritual between Dagan and the goddess Nin-kur was celebrated.

At the same city, a festival was held in honor of "Dagan-Lord-of-the-Cattle," at which the herds of cattle and prob. ably sheep were blessed.

According to the Hebrew Bible, Dagan was the national god of the Philistines. I Samuel:5-6 tells of the capture of the Ark of the Covenant by the Philistines. It was customary in the Ancient Near East for the conquerors to carry off the deity statues of the conquered to mark the surrender not only of the people, but also of their deities.

So the Philistines took the Ark, the symbol of the god of the Israelites, into the temple of Dagan at Ashdod. Since the Israelites had no statues of their deity, the much revered Ark was an obvious substitute. In this way, the Philistines marked the submission of the Israelite god to Dagan. However, on the next day, the people of Ashdod found the statue of Dagan lying face down in front of the Ark. The following day the same thing happened except that the head and hands of Dagan's statue lay broken on the temple threshold. This biblical account seems to be an etiology for a practice of the priests of the temple of Dagan at Ashdod, for it states that for this reason it is the custom of the priests of Dagan not to tread on the threshold as they enter the temple of Dagan. The best-known of the biblical stories that mention Dagan is in Judges 16, the tale of Samson and Delilah. After Delilah arranged for the Philistines of Gaza to capture Samson, they blinded him, shackled him, and made him a slave at a mill. During a festival to Dagan, the Philistines took Samson to be exhibited in Dagan's temple, where thou sands of Philistines had gathered for the celebrations. After praying to the Israelite god, the now long haired Samson got back his old strength. By pushing against two central pillars, he brought the temple crashing down on himself and on more Philistines than he had killed in his whole lifetime of killing Philistines.

— From a Handbook to Ancient Near Eastern Gods & Goddesses by Frayne & Stuckey page 67-69

[larissa-the-scribe]

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Response to a question from this ask game!

Question: favorite part of 1 Sam 28?

The continuation of the background subplot wherein David is in hiding from Saul and lying to Achish's face about having RuN aWaY from Israel he is Against them now for Sure he has packed his rucksack and left and will Fight Them meanwhile Achish is like. "David. this dude. He's the best."

Specifically verse 2 where Achish decides to make David his bodyguard for life ✨

Honorable mentions:

Samuel ratting out Saul's undercover identity to the medium from beyond the grave

The medium and Saul's men having to browbeat him into accepting food because he was being angsty again (seriously Saul you gotta eat why do you keep doing this last time you almost got your son killed)