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but also consider the fact that you die two years later and you come back and there’s a NEW 15 year old and a NEW 11 year old and somehow now your older brother is bestest of bros with them despite having no indication he ever wanted to talk to you at all back then so you kind assume it was something with you in particular and he just didn’t like you

jason is the epitome of younger sibling core bc wdym my older brother whom i have a 6ish year age gap doesn’t want to be my best friend?? doesn’t want to hang out with me, a 13 year old?? also the entire jason tim thing where he attacked tim in titans tower is 100% a younger sibling reaction to no longer being the youngest

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he doesn’t die. he’s tortured for a year, and manages to get out just after arkham asylum? i think. then he’s journeying around the world, learning from death stroke, assembling thr militia, and stalking batman and robin during arkham city

I think I’m going to lose my mind, I’m arguing with this guy on tik tok that said Jason Todd dies in Arkham knight and was brought back with the Lazarus pit and he won’t accept that he’s wrong since Jason never died, Batman just THINKS he did and he survived the shot from joker and it’s driving me insane I might need to be put in one of them cells in panessa studios to contain me 😫

I’m 99.9% that I’m right and he doesn’t die in the Arkhamverse but if I’m wrong idk what I’m going to do with myself like it’s such a pathetic argument 😭

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the one that everyone unequivocally fails is when duke puts one of them as jason todd becomes batman. everyone thinks it’s fake. it’s not. earth 51 motherfucker. jason todd is a cool ass batman and also dating a female atom and running a justice league with donna troy wonder woman and green lantern kyle rayner among others

Batkids play a game called "Never have you ever" where Duke gazes into their timelines in the multiverse and tells them two made-up things and one that happened in an else-word and they have to guess which is real

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holy shit you guys i’m in a tiktok brain rot post i’ve made it

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yes he’s cutie patootie but also that “you can take the boy out of juvenile hall” comment was so unwarranted and downright classist i don’t think jason’s even been to juice

We don't talk enough about Bruce having kid Jason tied up in the cave

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i think about jason todd and frankenstein’s monster a lot. maybe he does too. maybe he knows they’re so painfully similar. maybe he finds a reflection in the way frankenstein was pieced together and born anew by its creator father, only to be betrayed, cast out, regarded in disgust by their creator, in spite of the fact they only sought to be human, to have and feel love, to be anything more than monster. for they are more than monster. perhaps their creator is more monster than they are. but it is not what the world sees. the world looks for a perfect creation that never was and never will be, they look for a creation that was perfect when no creation is perfect. they see only flaws, when those are perfectly human, and discard the creation as a failure, an aberration. they have no place among their creator and his kin. but perhaps that is for the better. their creator did love them once upon a time, or maybe a concept of them, but no longer. that love was cruelly removed the moment the creation demanded the creator give it love, or failing that. someone that would love them. love them despite their faults. that is all the creation wants. just someone who will love them.

honestly i haven’t read frankenstein recently enough to know if my parallels are fully accurate but the concepts and narrative potential is so scrumptious

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oh, thanks! ahem. fuck you nightwing: year one. i have not read you but i don’t know why you’d do jason like that.

does that work

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i’m going to assume this is all star batman and robin or whichever robin run with jason was the prequel to the dark knight returns.

fuck you frank miller for one of the most damaging and shit ass batman AND robin stories including the first part of tdkr. the other parts were okay, if only for the plot. honestly carrie kelley carried those anyhow

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i’m always appreciative of the takes where batman both hates murder and knows that if he ever started, it’d be too easy to keep going and too hard to stop. too hard to box away that deep dark part of himself that he can’t let loose because he wouldn’t be able to put it back. i’m reminded of that quote from the utrh animated movie where he tells jason he doesn’t kill because it would be so easy. but that’s not who batman or bruce is. it can’t be

just saw a post saying "batman doesnt kill because he knows he'd love it" like please tell me ur joking

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what about reverse injustice au where robin jason’s death makes him snap, and then later jason wakes up to this new world

Reverse!injustice Bruce and Clark have been giving me brainworms all week and then I saw your art of it on my dash so now I'm making it your ask box's problem, hope thats okay.

One of the concepts that makes me insane is the idea that for Clark, his snapping point is his family being murdered, but for Bruce, his snapping point (as he keeps telling everyone) would be committing murder. So I keep imagining an utrh au where Bruce actually does kill the joker when jason begs him to, and that's where it all goes wrong. Just. Bruce having a moment of weakness at exactly the wrong time and killing the joker for what he did to jason and then its just. It's over for him. Next thing you know, the Riddler's dead. Then Bane. Then Lex Luthor for being in the wrong place at the wrong time during a superbat team-up. The batfamily are freaking out. Superman and the Justice League are convinced there's mind control going on. By the time they all realise what's happened, it's too late. Congrats Jason, you got exactly what you wanted all along. Now live with the consequences. (Disclaimer: I do love him and I totally get that he's traumatised and all that but that doesn't make him objectively correct)

The transition from the Batman the world knows to a man who can and will take the world by the throat and squeeze to get the peace he so desperately wants for the world might start slower, more subtly, but once the batfam, superman or the Justice League realise what's happened, that Bruce was right all along and he could never stop at just the joker, once they try to intervene, it's too late. Bruce has been preparing for years to take down his allies should they ever turn dark, they wouldn't stand a chance if bruce himself decided to start a war.

Clark, with his self-sacrificing streak, his unbreakable belief that Bruce is in there somewhere? It's only a matter of time before he's captured or turns himself in to save the Rebellion or whatever innocent civilians he can. And Bruce has never been one to let an opportunity go to waste. He'll be determined to make Clark "see reason". All it would take is the right application of pressure, and enough time.

YOU!!! YOU FUCKING GET IT

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sasuke digital doodles

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tim drake in btas is jason todd in every way but name and i hate it. it is why i will never watch btas. that and bruce/barbara. but it is interesting to think about how instead of dying robin gets tortured and jokerized

I know in this universe Dick hasn't lost a Robin to really turn him into overprotective-big brother but it's still such a no brainer for him to prioritize their safety over the 'mission'.

(Gotham Adventures 010)

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kitty

This is the lucky clover cat. reblog this in 30 seconds & he will bring u good luck and fortune.

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this is instantly my new explanation for helios and apollo’s coexistence, apollo is bright light, usually from the sun, helios IS the sun. he is a titan, firstborn of hyperion, the titan of the sun, and he is primordial power and a burning core whole apollo is warm bright light that chases away the dark

idk how to explain this but the left image feels like apollo and the right image helios

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what about this but black lantern robin corpse jason todd and deadman ghost robin jason todd as a duo

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after jason was killed and removed from dc completely, was there a public outcry when he was replaced as robin by tim the same way he took up the name from dick? (well it wasn’t the same but that’s not important) did people care? there seems to be a lot of fans nowadays that like tim and dislike jason and seem to be a majority. did anyone care? that a new robin replaced the old one? did they make a big fuss about it like they did when it was jason’s turn? i assume they didn’t because i’ve never heard about it. did anyone stop and think about them killing off the robin that they didn’t know how read correctly, that the writers hated for the crime of not being someone else, that people (read: morons) hated for the same reason? only to put in another robin? and now they all magically loved this one? was it because they were responsible, for over 15 years, for killing the last robin? or was it because jason todd was as unloved in the real world as he was in his fictional world. was it because jason was as hated in the real world as he was in his. did they ever care. has anyone ever cared about the second robin? or will they forget him. will they continue to espouse the first and third, and forget about the one they killed, the brightest boy of them all, and never pay another thought to him. idk this was something i thought about as i dreamed last night

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it’s also interesting from a standpoint that a lot of the red hoods public trust and credibility comes from the fact that he offers one thing the bats will not. a permanent end to an aggressor. for jason, someone who has been a victim of others most his life, the ability to provide closure for others through that way is absolutely something he will stand behind. he recognizes that there are other ways, but in gotham, those other ways are shit, if they work at all. arkham and even black gate have crazy rates of people escaping or being released wayyy to early and just doing the same crime again. so yeah, any bag can arrest a scumbag, but that’s cold comfort for the victims who know how gotham works. yes cass is revered for her dedication to the cause, to no killing, but notice how most if not all of her recognition comes from other heroes, usually other non killers. very little if any comes from the public, especially those who know about her rule. they know she’ll never offer a permanent solution to their problem, but jason will. ultimately cass had to kill once, couldn’t handle it, developed deep seated problems about it, and starts projecting her insecurities and and thoughts into jason while also kind of being annoying or rude about it a lot, meanwhile for jason it’s not that deep. he chose this. batman’s rules failed him and other people, so he chose a new means to the end, one more definitive. cass projects that anyone who kills is losing themselves, their soul, cannot be redeemed, are rotten, and that by doing it it’s leaving a permanent stain on themself, but that’s her inner insecurities being projected. it’s just not that deep for jason or most other people. it’s never been. hell most of the justice league are known to choose lethal methods sometimes. ultimately they’ll never agree there and they’ll never budge the other 🤷

Ultimately the resolution of Jason and Cass fights comes down to the fact that while he has his own ideals that don't mesh with the bats, Jason can be flexible. DC skipped the whole reconciliation with the family but while he's willing to kill it's generally a means to an end to him, not the whole entire point unless you're talking about Joker. Meanwhile for Cass the question of killing vs not killing is dead serious to her which means any time they're working together and things start going off track it's like:

Jason: Look if we kill this guy we send a message to his boss which makes it easier for us to negotiate with him from a position of power and I just think that-

Cass, snatching one of his guns and pointing it at her own head: Go on, pull the trigger. Kill him. Kill me. Go tell Batman that you let his daughter die to make a negotiation easier. He already let you die so no problem right? You think we should die? You think our life only worthwhile as part of a plan, just because we're killers? Are we doomed? Are we rotten to the core with no hope of redemption? Go on then, kill us and kill part of your soul alongside it. You clearly don't care for it so why are you even trying? Kill yourself along with us, come on Jason let's all just die right?

Jason, slowly backing away: I think you may be projecting a tiny bit so just. Calm down before I call the suicide hotline please.

Cass, slowly lowering the gun and knocking the random henchman unconscious: Yeah that's what I thought, fucking pussy.

Jason: Mm yeah you know what I hate you actually. Fuck this mission I'll just shoot you right now if you're going to be this annoying about it.

Jason, explaining things later to Dick: So I just kept shooting at her until I ran out of bullets and we both calmed down enough to call a truce. We tracked the guy down and didn't kill anyone but I did blow up the batplane just as a last minute screw you. Is she always this uh... intense?

Dick: Yeah, one time I broke up with Barbara and she threw me out a window. She's just like that.