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yes he’s cutie patootie but also that “you can take the boy out of juvenile hall” comment was so unwarranted and downright classist i don’t think jason’s even been to juice

We don't talk enough about Bruce having kid Jason tied up in the cave

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i think about jason todd and frankenstein’s monster a lot. maybe he does too. maybe he knows they’re so painfully similar. maybe he finds a reflection in the way frankenstein was pieced together and born anew by its creator father, only to be betrayed, cast out, regarded in disgust by their creator, in spite of the fact they only sought to be human, to have and feel love, to be anything more than monster. for they are more than monster. perhaps their creator is more monster than they are. but it is not what the world sees. the world looks for a perfect creation that never was and never will be, they look for a creation that was perfect when no creation is perfect. they see only flaws, when those are perfectly human, and discard the creation as a failure, an aberration. they have no place among their creator and his kin. but perhaps that is for the better. their creator did love them once upon a time, or maybe a concept of them, but no longer. that love was cruelly removed the moment the creation demanded the creator give it love, or failing that. someone that would love them. love them despite their faults. that is all the creation wants. just someone who will love them.

honestly i haven’t read frankenstein recently enough to know if my parallels are fully accurate but the concepts and narrative potential is so scrumptious

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oh, thanks! ahem. fuck you nightwing: year one. i have not read you but i don’t know why you’d do jason like that.

does that work

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i’m going to assume this is all star batman and robin or whichever robin run with jason was the prequel to the dark knight returns.

fuck you frank miller for one of the most damaging and shit ass batman AND robin stories including the first part of tdkr. the other parts were okay, if only for the plot. honestly carrie kelley carried those anyhow

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i’m always appreciative of the takes where batman both hates murder and knows that if he ever started, it’d be too easy to keep going and too hard to stop. too hard to box away that deep dark part of himself that he can’t let loose because he wouldn’t be able to put it back. i’m reminded of that quote from the utrh animated movie where he tells jason he doesn’t kill because it would be so easy. but that’s not who batman or bruce is. it can’t be

just saw a post saying "batman doesnt kill because he knows he'd love it" like please tell me ur joking

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what about reverse injustice au where robin jason’s death makes him snap, and then later jason wakes up to this new world

Reverse!injustice Bruce and Clark have been giving me brainworms all week and then I saw your art of it on my dash so now I'm making it your ask box's problem, hope thats okay.

One of the concepts that makes me insane is the idea that for Clark, his snapping point is his family being murdered, but for Bruce, his snapping point (as he keeps telling everyone) would be committing murder. So I keep imagining an utrh au where Bruce actually does kill the joker when jason begs him to, and that's where it all goes wrong. Just. Bruce having a moment of weakness at exactly the wrong time and killing the joker for what he did to jason and then its just. It's over for him. Next thing you know, the Riddler's dead. Then Bane. Then Lex Luthor for being in the wrong place at the wrong time during a superbat team-up. The batfamily are freaking out. Superman and the Justice League are convinced there's mind control going on. By the time they all realise what's happened, it's too late. Congrats Jason, you got exactly what you wanted all along. Now live with the consequences. (Disclaimer: I do love him and I totally get that he's traumatised and all that but that doesn't make him objectively correct)

The transition from the Batman the world knows to a man who can and will take the world by the throat and squeeze to get the peace he so desperately wants for the world might start slower, more subtly, but once the batfam, superman or the Justice League realise what's happened, that Bruce was right all along and he could never stop at just the joker, once they try to intervene, it's too late. Bruce has been preparing for years to take down his allies should they ever turn dark, they wouldn't stand a chance if bruce himself decided to start a war.

Clark, with his self-sacrificing streak, his unbreakable belief that Bruce is in there somewhere? It's only a matter of time before he's captured or turns himself in to save the Rebellion or whatever innocent civilians he can. And Bruce has never been one to let an opportunity go to waste. He'll be determined to make Clark "see reason". All it would take is the right application of pressure, and enough time.

YOU!!! YOU FUCKING GET IT

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sasuke digital doodles

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tim drake in btas is jason todd in every way but name and i hate it. it is why i will never watch btas. that and bruce/barbara. but it is interesting to think about how instead of dying robin gets tortured and jokerized

I know in this universe Dick hasn't lost a Robin to really turn him into overprotective-big brother but it's still such a no brainer for him to prioritize their safety over the 'mission'.

(Gotham Adventures 010)

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kitty

This is the lucky clover cat. reblog this in 30 seconds & he will bring u good luck and fortune.

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this is instantly my new explanation for helios and apollo’s coexistence, apollo is bright light, usually from the sun, helios IS the sun. he is a titan, firstborn of hyperion, the titan of the sun, and he is primordial power and a burning core whole apollo is warm bright light that chases away the dark

idk how to explain this but the left image feels like apollo and the right image helios

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what about this but black lantern robin corpse jason todd and deadman ghost robin jason todd as a duo

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after jason was killed and removed from dc completely, was there a public outcry when he was replaced as robin by tim the same way he took up the name from dick? (well it wasn’t the same but that’s not important) did people care? there seems to be a lot of fans nowadays that like tim and dislike jason and seem to be a majority. did anyone care? that a new robin replaced the old one? did they make a big fuss about it like they did when it was jason’s turn? i assume they didn’t because i’ve never heard about it. did anyone stop and think about them killing off the robin that they didn’t know how read correctly, that the writers hated for the crime of not being someone else, that people (read: morons) hated for the same reason? only to put in another robin? and now they all magically loved this one? was it because they were responsible, for over 15 years, for killing the last robin? or was it because jason todd was as unloved in the real world as he was in his fictional world. was it because jason was as hated in the real world as he was in his. did they ever care. has anyone ever cared about the second robin? or will they forget him. will they continue to espouse the first and third, and forget about the one they killed, the brightest boy of them all, and never pay another thought to him. idk this was something i thought about as i dreamed last night

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it’s also interesting from a standpoint that a lot of the red hoods public trust and credibility comes from the fact that he offers one thing the bats will not. a permanent end to an aggressor. for jason, someone who has been a victim of others most his life, the ability to provide closure for others through that way is absolutely something he will stand behind. he recognizes that there are other ways, but in gotham, those other ways are shit, if they work at all. arkham and even black gate have crazy rates of people escaping or being released wayyy to early and just doing the same crime again. so yeah, any bag can arrest a scumbag, but that’s cold comfort for the victims who know how gotham works. yes cass is revered for her dedication to the cause, to no killing, but notice how most if not all of her recognition comes from other heroes, usually other non killers. very little if any comes from the public, especially those who know about her rule. they know she’ll never offer a permanent solution to their problem, but jason will. ultimately cass had to kill once, couldn’t handle it, developed deep seated problems about it, and starts projecting her insecurities and and thoughts into jason while also kind of being annoying or rude about it a lot, meanwhile for jason it’s not that deep. he chose this. batman’s rules failed him and other people, so he chose a new means to the end, one more definitive. cass projects that anyone who kills is losing themselves, their soul, cannot be redeemed, are rotten, and that by doing it it’s leaving a permanent stain on themself, but that’s her inner insecurities being projected. it’s just not that deep for jason or most other people. it’s never been. hell most of the justice league are known to choose lethal methods sometimes. ultimately they’ll never agree there and they’ll never budge the other 🤷

Ultimately the resolution of Jason and Cass fights comes down to the fact that while he has his own ideals that don't mesh with the bats, Jason can be flexible. DC skipped the whole reconciliation with the family but while he's willing to kill it's generally a means to an end to him, not the whole entire point unless you're talking about Joker. Meanwhile for Cass the question of killing vs not killing is dead serious to her which means any time they're working together and things start going off track it's like:

Jason: Look if we kill this guy we send a message to his boss which makes it easier for us to negotiate with him from a position of power and I just think that-

Cass, snatching one of his guns and pointing it at her own head: Go on, pull the trigger. Kill him. Kill me. Go tell Batman that you let his daughter die to make a negotiation easier. He already let you die so no problem right? You think we should die? You think our life only worthwhile as part of a plan, just because we're killers? Are we doomed? Are we rotten to the core with no hope of redemption? Go on then, kill us and kill part of your soul alongside it. You clearly don't care for it so why are you even trying? Kill yourself along with us, come on Jason let's all just die right?

Jason, slowly backing away: I think you may be projecting a tiny bit so just. Calm down before I call the suicide hotline please.

Cass, slowly lowering the gun and knocking the random henchman unconscious: Yeah that's what I thought, fucking pussy.

Jason: Mm yeah you know what I hate you actually. Fuck this mission I'll just shoot you right now if you're going to be this annoying about it.

Jason, explaining things later to Dick: So I just kept shooting at her until I ran out of bullets and we both calmed down enough to call a truce. We tracked the guy down and didn't kill anyone but I did blow up the batplane just as a last minute screw you. Is she always this uh... intense?

Dick: Yeah, one time I broke up with Barbara and she threw me out a window. She's just like that.

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i know in his head he’s like “FUCK I MISSED HOW DID I MISS FUCK”

HUG!

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arent the tires the most recent and still canon origin? we should remember that pre-crisis, he was just dick with red hair, because dc doesn’t know how to write. they’re still canon afaik

You don’t have to like Jason and bftc can be your reason <-did you read this part

but saying “canon Jason” isn’t accurate <-or this part

My eyes are working very well, thank you. It's accurate as much as you and I and everyone who read the comics knows it to be. It's not inaccurate just because it was dropped. Half of DC's plots are either dropped after a while or retconned so bad the original is no longer applicable. Because if we go into accuracy, we should start with the whole Pit Madness bullshit. Or let's go with an easier one with the fact that the stealing the tires of the batmobile thing was a retcon. Or the entirety of UtRH. And if you must know, the Titan Tower attack is actually what I hate the most about him.

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his origin was retconned way before his death, if people are still out here peddling the pre crisis grayson clone backstory as a reason, id honestly vote for their death

Controversial opinion, especially for any Jason Todd fans out there (I'm one of them), but I completely understand why the fans in, the 80' I think, voted to kill him off. Hear me out, okay?

Jason was at first a literal Dick Grayson copy, was legit given his backstory and personality with the name being the only change. And for a while that was all they knew about and, rightfully so, hated about him. Now I'm not sure whether he was given the whole Alley kid who tried to steal Batman's tire story before or after his death but either way, in those fans' minds, Jason Todd was just a boring replica of Dick Grayson and no one liked him. If I was alive and a fan back then, I honestly would have done the same thing.

WHICH IS WHY I HAVE SUCH A HUGE PROBLEM WITH THE WRITERS DOING TO JASON THE EXACT SAME THING THAT GOT HIM KILLED OFF BEFORE!!!

Jason immediately after getting brought back to life was a villain. He wasn't misguided, he wasn't an antihero, my man was a Villain with a capital V. He didn't protect workings girls or children from any drugs or anything, he just made one off hand comment to a guy not to sell to kids and that's it. One of his only interactions with any prostitutes is to mock her for her past and decisions that led to her becoming one. Bruce did not abuse him or attack him unfairly. Jason had not only tried to kill Joker or other horrible villains, he killed anyone whether they were rapists, or robbers, or petty fucking thieves and he didn't do it for justice or whatever the fuck but because he was angry and taking it out on everyone he could get his hands on. He stopped Batman from going after Nightwing after Bludhaven blew up with him in it. He blew up a school. He beat up Tim in his little Robin panties and was a fucking villain.

I love Jason. But I love him as the messed up asshole he is. Not as some misguided wittle antihero. Which is why I despise the fact that the fandom latched onto the completely inaccurate version of him, because the writers of DC had started writing him the way the fandom wanted and he is now irreversibly ruined. Aside from the already mentioned stuff, they made him into a copy of Dick Grayson (for the second fucking time) and Helena Bertinelli.

Helena is the one protecting women and children, the antihero that often uses violent force. She is the one with the complicated relationship with Bruce that Jason didn't have until well after the fans latched onto him. She's the one with the reluctant sibling relationship with Tim. Jason was not Tim's Robin by the way, Dick was. Tim does not like Jason one fucking bit and spends most of their forced interactions roasting him so bad he has to buy burn salves. Also her personality was taken and given to Jason in some ways too, like her manner of speech and stuff, but I'm willing to let that slide as accidental.

From Dick Grayson, they mostly took his relationships, romantic and platonic. Jason slept with Barbara and Kori both, which aside from just being dumb as hell is also weird and creepy because Jason is six years younger than them at least and they knew him as a fourteen year old when they were at least twenty, and they would never date someone so much younger than them, they aren't fucking creeps. Then they took Starfire and Arsenal and made them forget their own lives to join Jason's little antihero team (neither of them are antiheroes what the fuck) and act like the sun shines out of Jason's ass and he's their leader or some shit when they would never follow him before that, especially Roy who has led so many other teams and does not deserve that shit. Some fans also ship him and Jason, which is both creepy and character assassination for Roy's entire character more than him being friends with Jason and in the Outlaws already is.

Also, Pit Madness is not a thing you fucking brainless losers. Stop trying to justify and erase the flaws that make him an interesting character. His anger has always been due to the trauma of being tortured and dying and the misguided feeling of betrayal he felt for Bruce. He was unwell and taking his problems out on others. So, repeat after me: PIT MADNESS IS NOT A REAL THING!!!

Thank you for reading <3

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this is just batman and nightwing if they were dogs nice try pal you won’t get past me this time you can’t fool me

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