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tim drake in btas is jason todd in every way but name and i hate it. it is why i will never watch btas. that and bruce/barbara. but it is interesting to think about how instead of dying robin gets tortured and jokerized

I know in this universe Dick hasn't lost a Robin to really turn him into overprotective-big brother but it's still such a no brainer for him to prioritize their safety over the 'mission'.

(Gotham Adventures 010)

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kitty

This is the lucky clover cat. reblog this in 30 seconds & he will bring u good luck and fortune.

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this is instantly my new explanation for helios and apollo’s coexistence, apollo is bright light, usually from the sun, helios IS the sun. he is a titan, firstborn of hyperion, the titan of the sun, and he is primordial power and a burning core whole apollo is warm bright light that chases away the dark

idk how to explain this but the left image feels like apollo and the right image helios

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what about this but black lantern robin corpse jason todd and deadman ghost robin jason todd as a duo

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after jason was killed and removed from dc completely, was there a public outcry when he was replaced as robin by tim the same way he took up the name from dick? (well it wasn’t the same but that’s not important) did people care? there seems to be a lot of fans nowadays that like tim and dislike jason and seem to be a majority. did anyone care? that a new robin replaced the old one? did they make a big fuss about it like they did when it was jason’s turn? i assume they didn’t because i’ve never heard about it. did anyone stop and think about them killing off the robin that they didn’t know how read correctly, that the writers hated for the crime of not being someone else, that people (read: morons) hated for the same reason? only to put in another robin? and now they all magically loved this one? was it because they were responsible, for over 15 years, for killing the last robin? or was it because jason todd was as unloved in the real world as he was in his fictional world. was it because jason was as hated in the real world as he was in his. did they ever care. has anyone ever cared about the second robin? or will they forget him. will they continue to espouse the first and third, and forget about the one they killed, the brightest boy of them all, and never pay another thought to him. idk this was something i thought about as i dreamed last night

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it’s also interesting from a standpoint that a lot of the red hoods public trust and credibility comes from the fact that he offers one thing the bats will not. a permanent end to an aggressor. for jason, someone who has been a victim of others most his life, the ability to provide closure for others through that way is absolutely something he will stand behind. he recognizes that there are other ways, but in gotham, those other ways are shit, if they work at all. arkham and even black gate have crazy rates of people escaping or being released wayyy to early and just doing the same crime again. so yeah, any bag can arrest a scumbag, but that’s cold comfort for the victims who know how gotham works. yes cass is revered for her dedication to the cause, to no killing, but notice how most if not all of her recognition comes from other heroes, usually other non killers. very little if any comes from the public, especially those who know about her rule. they know she’ll never offer a permanent solution to their problem, but jason will. ultimately cass had to kill once, couldn’t handle it, developed deep seated problems about it, and starts projecting her insecurities and and thoughts into jason while also kind of being annoying or rude about it a lot, meanwhile for jason it’s not that deep. he chose this. batman’s rules failed him and other people, so he chose a new means to the end, one more definitive. cass projects that anyone who kills is losing themselves, their soul, cannot be redeemed, are rotten, and that by doing it it’s leaving a permanent stain on themself, but that’s her inner insecurities being projected. it’s just not that deep for jason or most other people. it’s never been. hell most of the justice league are known to choose lethal methods sometimes. ultimately they’ll never agree there and they’ll never budge the other 🤷

Ultimately the resolution of Jason and Cass fights comes down to the fact that while he has his own ideals that don't mesh with the bats, Jason can be flexible. DC skipped the whole reconciliation with the family but while he's willing to kill it's generally a means to an end to him, not the whole entire point unless you're talking about Joker. Meanwhile for Cass the question of killing vs not killing is dead serious to her which means any time they're working together and things start going off track it's like:

Jason: Look if we kill this guy we send a message to his boss which makes it easier for us to negotiate with him from a position of power and I just think that-

Cass, snatching one of his guns and pointing it at her own head: Go on, pull the trigger. Kill him. Kill me. Go tell Batman that you let his daughter die to make a negotiation easier. He already let you die so no problem right? You think we should die? You think our life only worthwhile as part of a plan, just because we're killers? Are we doomed? Are we rotten to the core with no hope of redemption? Go on then, kill us and kill part of your soul alongside it. You clearly don't care for it so why are you even trying? Kill yourself along with us, come on Jason let's all just die right?

Jason, slowly backing away: I think you may be projecting a tiny bit so just. Calm down before I call the suicide hotline please.

Cass, slowly lowering the gun and knocking the random henchman unconscious: Yeah that's what I thought, fucking pussy.

Jason: Mm yeah you know what I hate you actually. Fuck this mission I'll just shoot you right now if you're going to be this annoying about it.

Jason, explaining things later to Dick: So I just kept shooting at her until I ran out of bullets and we both calmed down enough to call a truce. We tracked the guy down and didn't kill anyone but I did blow up the batplane just as a last minute screw you. Is she always this uh... intense?

Dick: Yeah, one time I broke up with Barbara and she threw me out a window. She's just like that.

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i know in his head he’s like “FUCK I MISSED HOW DID I MISS FUCK”

HUG!

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arent the tires the most recent and still canon origin? we should remember that pre-crisis, he was just dick with red hair, because dc doesn’t know how to write. they’re still canon afaik

You don’t have to like Jason and bftc can be your reason <-did you read this part

but saying “canon Jason” isn’t accurate <-or this part

My eyes are working very well, thank you. It's accurate as much as you and I and everyone who read the comics knows it to be. It's not inaccurate just because it was dropped. Half of DC's plots are either dropped after a while or retconned so bad the original is no longer applicable. Because if we go into accuracy, we should start with the whole Pit Madness bullshit. Or let's go with an easier one with the fact that the stealing the tires of the batmobile thing was a retcon. Or the entirety of UtRH. And if you must know, the Titan Tower attack is actually what I hate the most about him.

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his origin was retconned way before his death, if people are still out here peddling the pre crisis grayson clone backstory as a reason, id honestly vote for their death

Controversial opinion, especially for any Jason Todd fans out there (I'm one of them), but I completely understand why the fans in, the 80' I think, voted to kill him off. Hear me out, okay?

Jason was at first a literal Dick Grayson copy, was legit given his backstory and personality with the name being the only change. And for a while that was all they knew about and, rightfully so, hated about him. Now I'm not sure whether he was given the whole Alley kid who tried to steal Batman's tire story before or after his death but either way, in those fans' minds, Jason Todd was just a boring replica of Dick Grayson and no one liked him. If I was alive and a fan back then, I honestly would have done the same thing.

WHICH IS WHY I HAVE SUCH A HUGE PROBLEM WITH THE WRITERS DOING TO JASON THE EXACT SAME THING THAT GOT HIM KILLED OFF BEFORE!!!

Jason immediately after getting brought back to life was a villain. He wasn't misguided, he wasn't an antihero, my man was a Villain with a capital V. He didn't protect workings girls or children from any drugs or anything, he just made one off hand comment to a guy not to sell to kids and that's it. One of his only interactions with any prostitutes is to mock her for her past and decisions that led to her becoming one. Bruce did not abuse him or attack him unfairly. Jason had not only tried to kill Joker or other horrible villains, he killed anyone whether they were rapists, or robbers, or petty fucking thieves and he didn't do it for justice or whatever the fuck but because he was angry and taking it out on everyone he could get his hands on. He stopped Batman from going after Nightwing after Bludhaven blew up with him in it. He blew up a school. He beat up Tim in his little Robin panties and was a fucking villain.

I love Jason. But I love him as the messed up asshole he is. Not as some misguided wittle antihero. Which is why I despise the fact that the fandom latched onto the completely inaccurate version of him, because the writers of DC had started writing him the way the fandom wanted and he is now irreversibly ruined. Aside from the already mentioned stuff, they made him into a copy of Dick Grayson (for the second fucking time) and Helena Bertinelli.

Helena is the one protecting women and children, the antihero that often uses violent force. She is the one with the complicated relationship with Bruce that Jason didn't have until well after the fans latched onto him. She's the one with the reluctant sibling relationship with Tim. Jason was not Tim's Robin by the way, Dick was. Tim does not like Jason one fucking bit and spends most of their forced interactions roasting him so bad he has to buy burn salves. Also her personality was taken and given to Jason in some ways too, like her manner of speech and stuff, but I'm willing to let that slide as accidental.

From Dick Grayson, they mostly took his relationships, romantic and platonic. Jason slept with Barbara and Kori both, which aside from just being dumb as hell is also weird and creepy because Jason is six years younger than them at least and they knew him as a fourteen year old when they were at least twenty, and they would never date someone so much younger than them, they aren't fucking creeps. Then they took Starfire and Arsenal and made them forget their own lives to join Jason's little antihero team (neither of them are antiheroes what the fuck) and act like the sun shines out of Jason's ass and he's their leader or some shit when they would never follow him before that, especially Roy who has led so many other teams and does not deserve that shit. Some fans also ship him and Jason, which is both creepy and character assassination for Roy's entire character more than him being friends with Jason and in the Outlaws already is.

Also, Pit Madness is not a thing you fucking brainless losers. Stop trying to justify and erase the flaws that make him an interesting character. His anger has always been due to the trauma of being tortured and dying and the misguided feeling of betrayal he felt for Bruce. He was unwell and taking his problems out on others. So, repeat after me: PIT MADNESS IS NOT A REAL THING!!!

Thank you for reading <3

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this is just batman and nightwing if they were dogs nice try pal you won’t get past me this time you can’t fool me

Ace The Bat-Hound and Bitewing in Super-Pets special: Bitedentity crisis

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he slouch :)

ahaha how are you that small

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hmmm there should be a fic about this

Jason Todd had essentially 3 years of actually participating in pop culture. The 3 he spent with Bruce. Before that he was too young/poor- After that he was busy with assassin stuff.

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i don’t know….bruce seems to let jokers murdering slide….including of his own son, not sure why the fabled batman hypocrisy shouldn’t extend to this too

disclaimer: jason is obviously not a perfect character and only just a good person i just don’t think the fault lies with him. the buck stops at batman. or honestly the joker. i think we’re looking at it from the wrong perspective

also where the hell is jason blowing up schools? i’m pretty sure canonically he goes out of his way to not kill in front of children. and in gotham, controlling the drug trade is as close as you’re going to get to stopping it, yeah it has major flaws, but there is a reason that crime rates in the alleys canonically dropped after the rise of the red hood. and his reasoning goes a lot further than “he died” once. that’s honestly a very shallow take and is very telling.

and killing isn’t ok sure, but batman gets to beat the shit outta jason? fuck with his mind? with a free pass? like we’re letting that slide? at that point death is a mercy man. i don’t think the problem is the trauma riddled 15-16 year old who woke up in a 19 year old body, and mentally is barely college age. but that’s just my understanding and opinions, it’s valid if yours are different. but perspective shifts are very important

I dislike Jason stans that will swear up and down that Bruce is a monster for refusing to let Jason's crimes slide.

Your fav is blowing up schools, torturing members of the Batfamily, willing to kill in front of children and willing to feed into the drug trade knowing that he's destroying families and people through it, etc. etc., and for what? You really think all that is justified because he died once?

I like Jason as a character, but let's not pretend he's a saint and justified/or excused in what he's doing — because he's not and you shouldn't be surprised Bruce hates it.

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steak…..mmmmm

brown works so hard and does so much and everyone is so mean to her. coffee chocolate hair leather tea wood eyes broth a warm coat autumn leaves caramelized onions the crust on a loaf of bread. all things good and warm and kind are brown. bitch!

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if you truly believe in this hot take you may need to refresh yourself on tim drakes character because no, he would never vote for someone to be killed. that’s not who he is. but also he would probably post this on twitter, with civilian jason instead of robin post legal resurrection for funny

Batfam hot take: Tim 100% would've voted to kill Jason Todd because he replaced Dick (Tim Drake, you dumb little fan boy)

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i assume you’re talking about kingdom come, in which case his name isn’t damian Ibn al Xu’ffasch, it’s just Ibn Al Xu’ffasch. at one point someone asks bruce how Ibn is. yeah his full name is just that

Fun fact Damian al ghul Wayne has an alternate universe counterpart that's named Damian Ibn Al Xu'ffasch.

It is however stupid imo cus it's pronounced Khufash and is js fancied no reason translates straight into bat in Arabic. His alt name is Damian son of the bat literal.

Anyw if u're going by arabic naming convention it cld be Damian Ibn Bruce Wayne. Which I think is so fucking funny and so so stupid.

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who found the batarang that bruce slit jason’s throat with.

Do we think random people in Gotham find Batarangs wedged into walls or lying around and decide to take a shot at throwing them, and it slowly becomes a Gotham city staple you can play at the arcade/bar? (Everyone is surprised at how hard it is to throw them with accuracy and the force needed to have any sort of impact)

The Batkids delight in either pretending they don't know how to (as civilians)/alternatively flirting by demonstrating their expert ability to nail phone numbers to alleyways.

There are also definitely collectors who trade these Batarangs and organize them by era based on material, and you get extra acclaim if you know the provenance of the Batarang (fished out of the harbour or taken out of a GCPD squad car).