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I will !!! But it won't be the best 😭😭😭

I need someone to draw Antinous in one of these so bad...

He would wear one but red instead of pink, im sorry 😭🙏

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YIPPIE I ROUNDED IT OUT !!!! I love games/competitions like these so of course I had to follow 💞💞💞

I love the saga color coded hearts so much 😭😭😭 thank you

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Thank you so much to @jambo-rat and everyone else who helped get this blog to 100 followers!! I’m so happy that my obsession with Epic has let so many people have fun on here.

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(Enjoy my attempt of saga color coded hearts :)

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THIS IS LITERALLY SO GOOD ??? AND THE LAST ONE ???? AHHHHHH

Hi tumblr.

Hermes.

Thats it that’s the post

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I JUST REALIZED I GOT SOME OF THE LYRICS WRONG

GODS

I'm case you ask are wondering what I'm up to today. Just ask @th3j4germe1ster

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I'm literally so confused. WHAT DO YOU MEAN ???

I'm case you ask are wondering what I'm up to today. Just ask @th3j4germe1ster

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I'm case you ask are wondering what I'm up to today. Just ask @th3j4germe1ster

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Guys...I'm genuinely not normal.

Me and my friend walked past a car that was blaring music, and normally you'd ignore it but I recognized the song as Epic. Not that, it was specifically " We'll be Fine " when Athena is saying " maybe if I made a different call " (around the beginning, like the first minute or so)

I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD BE DISAPPOINTED, EXCITED, OR SHOCKED AT THE FACT I COULD PINPOINT THE SPECIFIC POINT IN THE SONG.

I genuinely need to get assessed for Autism...this can't be normal guys

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I'm with both Ody and Circe...damn... (Not upset)

@lady-loveluck @raccoongutzx @aoexem @corvid-col @imasillygooose

the og post was way too long so I'm making a new one

thanks for the tag @lombolica !! :D

You're stuck in a room with the last character in your gallery how safe are you

very safe

the worst thing that could happen is him being clumsy, so I think I'm alright (unless monsters find him I guess)

tagging (no pressure): @flaretheidiot @lemonic-whimssyy @wibbly-wobbly-blog @cryptidanathema @virtualunease @aurlworthfightingfor @angrysheep @sugarplumanderson @time-travelling-chaos @fateisnotafactor @monstrousmaws @sinfulauthor @idkaguyorsomething @vampireopossum and anyone who wants to do this!

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THIS DID NOT HELP MY URGE TO DRAW SHIT POST DRAWING. IM ALREADY DOING SOME, GUESS I'LL ADD ANOTHER 😭😭😭

In Legendary you know the part where the suitors go “where is he? Where is the man who’ll have you to wife?” So I keep mis-remembering(?) the lyrics and keep thinking of it as “where is he? Where is the man who will BE your wife?”

so…uh.

trying to draw Antinous in a wedding dress but don’t know how to draw people.. so, I’ll send it to you once I got it figured out.

As soon as I read that, for some reason I had that scene from The Witcher 3 in my head. I guess you could use it as a ref???

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Those people who cancelled and were mean to Elianzis for the Antinous and Telemachus drawings and for other things:

Leave my friend alone, she explained her points simply and clearly enough, and unfollow me NOW

“Don’t like it, don’t interract with. Block and move on.”

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I'm so sorry for all the sh*t you had to deal, not only yesterday but with your own art.

I hope you're doing okay and taking care you yourself, I know how much energy those trolls could take of one.

For now, I'm really grateful to you for standing with Elianzis, art is suppose to be controversial, art is not to make everyone feel comfortable, is to wonder, to question.

It is so sad to see the media literacy die these days, to have people think less and hate more, this wave of conservatism and conformism in social meadia really worries me, people are so entitled to themselves that can't reflect, discern and separate from a work. Everything is taken personally.

In a way, I'm sad she has to take down the piece, but I'm glad for the sake of her mental health.

I hope at least this discussion helps we, as a fandom, to evade something like this in the future (a person could only dream).

Take care, sorry for the long ask <3

Thank you so much, and sorry if I made you worry! Sometimes I just explode. I'm mostly angry on behalf of the other artist, really.

I really enjoy this type of discussion when everyone is chill about it. But now, when I reread everything I wrote, I noticed I fumbled a lot of my words and didn't fully express what I meant. To summarize, everything has nuance, and it’s okay to criticize both fictional and real-life stuff. I do believe that fiction and media can normalize harmful things, and I truly belive that. but I also think it’s fine for someone if they want to enjoy problematic content, when they can acknowledge its issues. For example, if someone tells me they like Lovecraftian horror, I’m like, "Ok, cool! I like it too!" But if they start to show discomfort or being indenial when I wanna talk about problematic stuff about Lovecraft, then yes, that is a massive red flag. Its a extreme exemple but that is all I can come up with right now 😅

I think all of this will tone down eventually. Epic community is a very chill fandom compare to others :) But all fandoms has its dowsides.

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So I’ve received a couple of anonymous messages telling me that they were really disappointed in me for liking Elian's Antinous fanart. Instead of answering them individually, I’m just going to make an angry rant post instead. Most of if probably won't make sense anyway.

This post have talk about SA, and homophobia. Be aware. I don’t ship genuinely Telemachus and Antinous, if that’s what you’re wondering. I didn’t even consider the possibility that ship could even exist. At the end of the day, I don't care about that ship.

And do you want me to explain that I know SA is bad? Or that I’m aware Telemachus/Antinous is a toxic ship? Do you think I’m dumb and don’t know that? You don't have to explain to me either, I know that SA is bad, I have experienced it, you don't have to explain to me, trust me I know.

I like Elian's art because it’s really beautiful. Her work is a huge inspiration and encouragement for me when making animatics. But do I REALLY have to spell out, word for word, that I know Antinous is an antagonist and tries to do bad things? Does it mean every time someone draws Antinous and I like it, I have to explain that I like the drawing because it’s well done, not because I support Antinous’ intent toward Penelope and wants to kill Telemachus?

I mean, I’ve seen tons of thirsty comments like, "I hate how Zeus treats women, but your design is really hot" or "Even if Poseidon SA Demeter, this Poseidon I'd go down on all fours for!"

I have seen some stuff….

I guess I could just imitate something like that????

But I know it’s a joke and I know its a fantasy that someone is expressing. Its not real, its fictional. I know all those thirsty ppl who simp over Poseidon, Zeus, or even Antinous aren’t supporting hatred and violence toward women. And yes, I am expecting that you should already know this too. Because if we gonna assume the worst of ppl… Then everyone who likes Greek myth/Epic the musical are pro SA. "Do you like Crice from Epic the musical? That means that you support her actions, you support SA!" "Oh you like Odysseus?! He killed a baby and all of his female slaves cuz they got SA by the suitors! You support infanticide, slavery and SA!" Do you hear how dumb that sounds? To be honest, I wouldn’t be that surprised if there are some who think like this. I mean, this discussion wouldn’t even be a thing, right.

And if you don’t know, I literally make thirst art of Poseidon (and that includes Zeus and Hermes), and you don’t see it as a bad thing??? It’s Poseidon… Do you know what he has done to women in the myths?!

Im going to ramble here and I will bring up stories from greek myth that have SA in it. So be aware.

One example is the story of Caeneus. When Caeneus was a woman, his parents left him to take care of the house while they were out running errands. Poseidon took that as an opportunity to break into the house and sexually assault him. This is probably the only myth where Poseidon actually feels bad after what he did, so he grants Caeneus a wish. Aww, how sweet~~~ /sarcasm.

Do I need to give an example of Zeus? We all know what Zeus does. But hey, I’ve made Poseidon/Hermes ship art. And guess what? There’s a story where Hermes breaks a woman’s leg so she can’t run away from him, and then he sexually assaults her. Isn’t that cute~~! /sarcasm

Heck, I can even go on with my biblical ships. David/Jonathan—David, a serial assaulter and murderer, and Jonathan, a mass murderer. But do I support their actions? No, I do not support mass murder, and its really dumb that I have to spell it out for you.

Daniel/Darius is even questionable too! It's literally a king and his servant, and that power imbalance is so big I don’t know what to tell you! Do I have to spell it out that I know that, in real life, king/servant relationships aren’t cute at all?!

All of these characters that I’ve listed have done or represent horrible things. And I have to tell you that I don't support their actions?! Really? You really can't think outside the box?

But do you see what I’m trying to tell you? We can simp over other ancient mythological figures but Antinous is the red line that we can never cross??? It’s hypocritical and immature, that’s what it is.

Right now, ppl loves the Ody seduces Zeus art I made. And that "ship" is well really questionable too! But nobody have called me a witch and tries to burn me at the stake yet. 😐

And the thing is, I can separate these fictional characters from the real world. I can also separate the fictional material from other fictional interpretations. Exemple, I like The Song of Achilles, in it, they are the same age, but I am also aware that in the Iliad, Achilles is 16 and Patroclus is 26. But do I automatically assume that Madeline Miller likes teens? No! Do I assume that everyone who likes The Song Of Achilles like that shit? No!

But we still can have a disscussion about it without making it into a witch trial.

As long as we can separate different fictional materials, then everything is fine. It only becomes a problem if a person can’t separate them. Then we have a problem. I can acknowledge that my depiction of King David from the bible is not the same as from the original story and that he is horrible person towards women. If I couldn't acknowledge that, then its bad! The same goes for Antinous if someone makes an AU or headcanon about him. If someone want so make AUs about Antinous, my first thoughts isnt "Oh they like to SA ppl!". At the end of the day, this is just a group from tiktok who didn’t like a toxic ship and decided to bully an artist while acting like they have superior morals.

And I get this type of shit from christians when I make my queer bible interpitations, both from those that don't like the queer stuff but also those that points out that David and Jonathan were horrible ppl.

So I rarely answer comments like this because they usually end up spewing beliefs filled with homophobia and Islamophobia. Heck rasism sometimes, apparently, Christians don’t know that the Bible takes place in the Middle East, and they are angry at me for drawing them looking like Arabs! I just delete their comments before they gets there. Making queer biblical animatics on TikTok that go viral on the Christian side is not fun at all guys....

And hate to say it but tiktok Epic fans sound really similar. You are acting like you’re on a pedestal, holier than thou. Its just a different font.

+ I haven’t forgotten all those homophobic comments I got on my David/Jonathan animatic that I posted right after my Ruthlessness animatic. Epic fans were saying they didn’t want “that gay shit” and wanted to see more Epic stuff. Hate to break it to you all, but the Epic fandom isn’t that innocent.

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Wouldn't you like, little wolf, and God Games

Everyone reblog with the epic the musical song your brain is currently rotting over. Mine is we'll be fine and there are other ways

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Is this why I always get the friends with horrible taste in people ? (My irls know damn well what I'm talking about)

if you were a deity, what would you be the god of

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I need to subject you all to my analysis on Odysseus and specifically the line " I see a man who makes it home alive, but it's no longer you " in " No longer you "

Cutting for Wisdom Saga spoilers, and also it's fairly sad. With the accompaniment of my theory on what the last bit says in ' No longer you '

OKAY SO

Odysseus has changed in many ways from " No Longer You ". He finally decided he would become a monster to make it home to his wife and son. He made the choices he could to make sure as many people could make it home (like sacrificing 6 men to Scylla so the rest could survive.) he's tired and worn, both physically and mentally. But he can't rest until he makes it home. Everytime he let himself rest something has gone wrong. So when the God of Thunder tells him to either kill himself or kill his crew. Be changes. Not only was he betrayed AGAIN from Eurylochus in the entirety of Mutiny, but now he has to make the choice to kill his brother. It changes a man.

If the lyrics really ARE " Island Love ". We hear how worn Odysseus is in " Love in Paradise ". He still hasn't let himself rest, because this Goddess is tormenting him. Not only that, but he is haunted. He is haunted by his crew, his friends, his brothers. Even his mother. Before he couldn't close his eyes because he would see them. But now all he wants to do is close his eyes. He's all but given up. He's accepted he can't see Penelope. This Island is his end.

I don't know about you but ever since those really intense suicidal thoughts I have changed. Now I was given a second chance I fight harder. He hasn't gotten his second chance yet, but he's about to, with the Goddess of Wisdom "risking her life" for him.

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THIS. I WILL YELL ABOUT THIS

I have my reasons for not liking characters. I don't really like Eurylochus, and I DEFINITELY don't like Calypso. But my reasons for not liking them aren't relevant to their skin, it's to their actions. And it pisses me off when people say that " oh if you hate _____, you're probably racist and hate them for their skin color. " No, it's their actions. Especially Calypso.

Ok. I don't usually make comments on my opinions beyond rebloging. But some things have been making me mad.

That being the number of people saying characters are being hated or disliked because of the race of people acting them. Because if you read the numerous analysis posts, you realize that is not true at all. We don't like those characters because of their actions and words within the musical. For instance, I don't like Calypso because of the implied assault and abuse within the lyrics, which are drawn from the Odyssey. It is not because she is black. It is because she is a manipulative and abusive person who has trapped Odysseus in a relationship and a place he has no hope of escaping beyond death. And you see that with how she acts when he is on the ledge, inches away from death.

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I WAS RIGHT. I TOLD YOU IT WOULD BE EL_CRAFTS. IM SO AHHHHHH

IT WAS LITERALLY SO GOOD

This is me being on my EPIC brain rot, I'll go back to HatchetField at some point. ANYWAYS

So in Jorge's newest TikTok video he gave us a hint on who is animating legendary. A lot of people think it's Gigi due to the hint being "omnomnomnom" and her just finishing Scylla. But I believe it's referring to the lotus eaters and either Mircsy or El_Crafts who animate it.

I SPECIFICALLY BELIEVE ITS REFERRING TO THE LOTUS EATERS BECAUSE OF THE ONE GUY WHO GOES " om nom nom nom " IN OPEN ARMS. ITS SUCH A SMALL PART AND VOICE BUT THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE.

I also think it can't be WolfyTheWitch because they commented on Jay's reference video for Legendary. And I believe Gigi is gonna animate the God Games.

That's just me thinking, tell me what y'all think 😇