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Thanks for 666 followers!

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hi yes would you mind tagging anything with unsympathetic virgil from here out, please?

Yeah I’m sorry I’ll be more careful to tag everything next time

-also I apologize for however late this might be, I don’t really get notifications for this blog😬

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Unpopular Opinion (being a brave beaver saying this)…

I don’t forgive Patton.

Sorry not sorry that end card didn’t make me go “awww” as it was intended.

Patton has made too many of the same mistakes for too long. His treatment of Deceit was so…gross that I couldn’t stomach his “sweet” reply. All of his condensation, shunning, and villainizing of him like…no. You did not earn that moment, Patton. I don’t care how guilty he felt. That scene didn’t make up for shit.

Patton’s badgering of Roman to give up something that he knew really mattered to him and acting all cheery as if Roman isn’t visiably miserable beside him. Him not allowing Roman to say a thing to Virgil while letting him bully Roman all he wants.

Patton’s infantilization of Virgil, disrespect of his boundaries, and whining when he won’t allow him to show him love his way.

Patton with Logan…hoooo booooy! This fucking laundry list is just…I can’t-

But I’ll only say this: Him literally pushing Logan (Deceit?) away when he responded in a way he didn’t like. He physically booted him out of the conversation and acted as if everything was chill when Logan came back (like he always does). Just…I wanna strangle him, no joke.

Oh, yeah. He also assaulted Thomas. …..That’s nice.

Ya’ll can forgive him if you want to, I have no issue with that. But personally I can’t. He’s done too many shitty things for me to even be on a neutral ground with him anymore. He isn’t even my least favorite Side. It’s Remus. But maaaaaan is he looking like his potential replacement lately.

I want to forgive Virgil because he’s my favorite (though Deceit is threatening that) but….it’ll take ALOT. I hope he grows, I do. But you’re on thin, thin ice, boy. 

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I love this~

Headcanon that all the Darks can turn their heads 360 degrees. Just a cute little quirk all of them naturally share. Light Sides don’t know about this because they just refuse to do it around them cause they know they’d react negatively to it. Kind of a “keep it in the Dark Side unless necessary” rule. So imagine this gem:

Patton, surprise surprise, is deciding to be a dick again. He sees Deceit walk by with one of his “underlings” as he so delicately calls them. Dee tells him to wait right there while he goes to get something off a shelf. Their backs are turned. The other Dark Side is standing near the door that separates the two mind palaces. Patton huffs in irritation at seeing them crawling around his home again. So he quietly marches over to the unsuspecting Dark Side, fully intent on grabbing him by the collar and throwing him out or hitting him until he tries to run. But before he can fully lift his arm, Deceit turns his head all the way around without moving the rest of his body, eyes glowing yellow, snake fangs elongated, and his tempest tongue bleeding into his speech.

“So much as attempt to do that and you won’t live to see the next sunrise.”

The look of horror on his face is priceless.

On a more comedic note, imagine this: 

Virgil just asking Roman a question but subconciously uses his head turn as a force of habit as the prince walks behind him while he’s on the couch.

“Hey, Roman do you- stop screaming- do you want Chinese?”

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OH MY GOD PATTON IS A KAREN

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Janus is actually pertrified of snakes. patton loves them to death. so Patton finds out and he mocks janus for his scales causing a panic attack and he just...locks himself in his room. for four months. when he comes out, his face is all scar tissue where the scales once were. and his fear of snakes is gone. now he fears patton. ((could you please write this for me? i dont have much writing skill myself and i would actually internally die you wrote this for me. you dont have to i promise-))

ive been wanting to do something like this and i finally have an excuse too awawaa,,, also plz dont die and fun fact u should write whatever u want. just have fun with it ^^ writing just takes practice

TW: U!Patton, physical abuse, verbal abuse, implied suicidal thoughts, scars, scalpel, implied/referenced panic attacks, cutting someone, crying, loss of breathe, weapons, slight victim blaming, let me know of other things to tag !

"I'll cut your little heart out 'cause you made me cry"

 Janus was reserved as he knew any sign of weakness would be used against him. He knew how predators would hunt down its prey till the small creature is too weak to run then the beast would pounce on it and uses everything it had on the poor thing. The deceitful side isn't aware of how Patton learns of his fear of snakes, but whatever mistake he made to let the information be known to the fatherly side would haunt him for the rest of his life.

Patton is cruel and revolting. He for being the moral side shows no moral code to his treatment of dark sides. It isn't a hidden secret but the more inhuman things Patton does is only for Janus to witness and bare. Janus despised this burden; the constantly forced to deal with his fear until he passes out from hyperventilation and continuously forcing himself to drag himself to the bathroom to heal the ripped off scales made him unbearably fatigued. It had been two months and Janus lost hope one month ago. Any form of begging or pleading was disregarded like trash so he stayed silent allowing for the moral side to play with him like a doll.

The snake side grudgingly wakes up depleted. He's only been awake for a few seconds and his mind is already begging for him to just let go. Perhaps then it would be easier than dealing with Patton. Janus shakes his head and gently placed a gloved hand over his eye, a small depressing smile forming as he recalls the only semblance of himself he was allowed to keep were his gloves. Janus pushes himself and a prominent weight of fatigue that crashes into him which causes him to stumble. He uses the wall to hold himself up while he trudges to the bathroom. He opens the sink and looks at the mirror grimacing at the reflection that made his stomach turn. Janus's face was much paler, frailer, and fewer scales. He gently swifts over the scars feeling the dry patch of healing skin. He feels filthy.

Janus isn't sure when he went back to bed, time was lost in this small, cold, empty room. The deceitful side unintentionally jumps at the sound of the door clicking. He internally hopes that it's another side but he should have realized there was no hope. The smile on Patton's face sends shiver's down Janus's spine.

"Evening Janus!" Patton smiles," hope you're having a good day, mines been tiring."

 Janus doesn't speak he's learned not to.

 "Ever since you've been gone Logan been more annoying! I love Logie but ugh, he just needs to shut up! He keeps trying to logic every situation as if he knows anything, perhaps a stay in here for a bit would teach him better," Patton says lowly with a maddening smile.

 "Don't!" Janus utters," do bring Logan into this room."

 Patton turns to face him with a shocked yet intrigued expression. He slowly moves to sit on the other bed and looks at the sheets as he spoke with venom," you know, Logan does ask about you a lot. I've told him you had a panic attack and chose to stay inside. He thinks Thomas being more honest is a bad idea, but what does he know."

 "More than you," Janus hissed.

 "Excuse me?" Patton replied.

 Janus throws his gloved hands over his mouth as he internally curses. Patton being pissed was an understatement. His eyes burned with fury yet the calm exterior terrified Janus. He knew it'd be another terrible night.

 "Gloves off Janus," Patton muttered.

 He did as he was told. Patton moved to one of the snake cages and took out a snake. Janus grimaces knowing that the snake had a texture that made him nauseous and it didn't help that the snake had venom. While he couldn't die he knew Patton would force Janus through the symptoms.

 "I want you to pet him," Patton commands.

 It's a simple command but Janus deeply wants to deny it.

"Please Patton, I'm sorry. I did mean to upset you please I cant-"

 "You can and you will if you want to make sure Remus and Logan stay out of this room," Patton spat.

 He hasn't even started touching the snake and he's already crying. Patton snickers as he watches shaky fingers pet the small reptile.

 "Amusing that your fear of snakes makes you this emotional," Patton spoke as Janus pulls his hand away.

 "I'm sorry I'm sorry please I've learned my lesson," Janus please through shaky breathe.

 He can barely breathe and his vision is going in and out. Janus is sure he'll pass out soon and he wants too, he's so tired but he knows what'll happen if he does. Patton hums to show he’s thinking," hm, well I suppose you have learned your lesson but I'm not done yet kiddo."

 Patton gets up gently putting away the snake and heads to the bathroom. Janus groans knowing what's coming next. Patton comes with a scalpel and wipes.

 "Stay still or I'll cut you," Patton says with an innocent tone, but the words worked.

 Janus was still while he cried. He was slightly depersonalizing but he knew he'd feel it all. Patton gently wipes the scales. Janus holds in a breath and closes his eyes as he feels cold metal latching onto his skin.

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 Janus's return is a shock to everyone. His empty eyes and healed skin is sight for sore eyes, and how he shivers in room temperature indicates how frail he’s become.

 "Janus is back!" Patton says warmly, wrapping his arms around the deceitful side.

 "Patton what did you do to Janus for the last four months," Logan questions terrified.

 "I just helped him a bit! He doesn't like snakes so I fixed that fear for him!" Patton answers letting Janus go. Remus quickly grabs Janus away from the moral side, shocked to see Janus gripping onto Remus tightly.

 "You ripped off his scales you monster!" Roman yelled drawing out his sword.

 Patton just shrugs," he made upset so I taught him a lesson."

 His smile sent shivers down everyone's spine.

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sides do not need to eat or drink to survive as humans do, however to function at their best eating and staying hydrated is a must.

patton knows this and purposely makes sure certain sides aren’t getting enough nutrition so that he has an excuse to berate them on their functionality efforts. and if it comes to the point where a side doesn’t have enough energy and is unable to breath correctly or function at all he yells at them for not eating/drinking enough

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don’t ever feel bad for asking me to tag a trigger

i do not care what the trigger is

i will tag it for you

you have legitimate reasons to be triggered by it

and i am not one to question those reasons

so just send me an ask

anonymous if you’re scared

and i will tag it all the time in future

your wellbeing is worth twenty extra seconds of my time at least

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Receipts for Patton’s Toxic Behavior

THIS IS NOT A DISCOURSE POST AND I WON’T ANSWER DISCOURSE REBLOGGED HERE. THIS WAS MADE FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES. IF YOU’D LIKE TO DISCUSS IT WITH ME YOU CAN MESSAGE ME.

I’ve gotten people asking me how Patton has shown toxic behavior in the series so I decided to rewatch the series and collect receipts. Enjoy.

Because this whole discourse started after SvS, that’s the episode I’ll be starting with (coupled with DWIT). However, after that, they will be in chronological order.

These behaviors have repeating evidence, so I just grouped the evidence together under (or rather, above) the topic to save a little space. Each new point (or receipt, I suppose) will be preceded by  ⭐)

Selfishness VS Selflessness & Dealing With Intrusive Thoughts

⭐ (SVS; 2:11) T: “The callback date is inflexible.�� P: *sigh* “Same as the wedding date.” T (unenthusiastically): “Yeah.” P: “And Lee and Mary Lee really want you to be there.” T (unenthusiastically): “Yeah.” P: “And they’ve always been there for you when you needed them.” T(unenthusiastically): “Yeah.” P: *sigh* “And you were really excited to go, too.” T (hesitantly): “Yeah.”

This kind of dialogue is very common in abusive and manipulative relationships. Am I saying Patton is abusive? No. Toxic behavior and abusive behavior are two different things; abusiveness has intent, toxicity has ignorance.

Anyways, during this exchange, Thomas isn’t even trying to argue with Patton about going to the callback yet, and neither is Roman. All they did was tell Patton the date, and what is his go-to reaction? Guilt-tripping. 

Guilt-tripping is a tactic used by many abusers to goad the abused into agreeing with them and/or doing what they want. It uses a specific manner of speaking, nitpicking at the things that are important to the abused (read: Thomas’ friendships) and playing to their weaknesses (read: not wanting to be seen as a bad friend. This point is further explored later in the post for another video). He’s actively, albeit subconsciously, guilting Thomas into agreeing with him to go to the wedding without question.

⭐ (SVS; 7:22) P: “And Roman, I thought you fought for honor! Why are you pushing Thomas to be dishonest?”

Here, Patton attacks Roman’s very character while guilt-tripping him. I’ll save post space by sparing the lengthy analysis of a behavior I’ve already discussed, but if you need me to go farther than this please message me and I’ll be happy to discuss.

Toxic Behavior: guilt-tripping (2)

⭐ (SvS) Patton is also telling Thomas how he feels (”And you were really excited to go, too.”), something Deceit Logan points out not even five seconds later. This is another tactic used by abusers. Caught unawares of the potential manipulation, it can make the abused feel like the abuser understand and sympathizes with them, fostering trust in the beginning of a toxic relationship. However, in the way Patton is using it, it is used to strip the abused of their autonomy, essentially saying “this is how you feel. I know it, and if you disagree with me you’re lying to yourself and being disobedient”. Now again, is this how Patton means it specifically? Absolutely not, he isn’t an abuser. But it’s a form of manipulation that can’t go ignored. 

Toxic Behavior: emotional manipulation (1)

⭐ (SvS; 5:37) D: “Wrong?” T (unenthusiatically) & P: “Yeah.” P: “Deceit, standing in the spot of one of my four best friends.”

This is another common tactic of manipulation: discrediting. With a simple comment, Patton is attempting to get the other three in the room to instantaneously ignore/disbelieve anything that comes out of Deceit’s (his direct opposition) mouth just after Thomas has decided to tentatively trust him. He goes on to say, “Because Thomas gave his word, but you wouldn’t know anything about that, would you, mister?” This is just another example of the same; Patton is further trying to wedge distrust between Deceit and the others before Deceit can continue to make a valid argument.

⭐ (SvS; 8:24) P: “Basically Deceit is trying to prove that you care more about yourself than  your friends. But don’t worry kiddo, we’ll show him.”

This line is from the moment when they enter the courtroom. As anyone who has watched the video can tell you, that isn’t what Deceit was trying to prove at all. He was just trying to show the main sides and Thomas that he isn’t completely innocent like they love to pretend he is.

Toxic Behavior: discrediting/invalidating (2)

⭐ (SvS; 6:43) P: “Lying is bad enough! Lying to a friend is out of the question!”

Patton is speaking as an absolute authority here. His tone and words broker no discussion at all, not even from the side who literally represents lying, who (in my personal opinion) should be allowed to decide when lying is appropriate. A point I raise in a previous video (seen below the Read More) is that Patton is part of a whole, he should never be able to hold all of the power or claim the right to speak unopposed. Throughout the video he shows controlling tendencies such as these, unwilling to hear (or at least entertain) the opposing argument. 

⭐ (DWIT; 4:40) P: “I’m sorry, but I can’t condone any more of that kind of thinking!”

While Patton may be morality, DWIT clearly showed that he isn’t the best authority on judging the validity of a thought. Granted, as Logan explained, Patton’s views are more than likely influenced by Thomas’ upbringing. Explanations are not excuses however, and this is still toxic behavior.

⭐ (DWIT;  32:46) P: “It’s okay if you sometimes think some icky thoughts, Thomas. You have my permission.”

This one is… Strange and complicated. Firstly, because Patton starts off saying “this may not be necessary”, so he’s aware that he shouldn’t have the control he does. But, on the other hand, he still feels like he needs to say it, and it can be argued that that is because of himself and/or Thomas. So… This one is hard, but I still hold that it shouldn’t have had to be said. Thomas shouldn’t rely so heavily on Patton’s approval.

Toxic Behavior: controlling tendencies (3)

⭐ (SvS; 7:13) P: “What is this wacky talk? You don’t mean this. I’m your morality, I wouldn’t be here if you did.” (anyone remember what a character lie sounds like?)

I’ve seen this video at least 4 times now, but this line always makes me take a shocked step back. The severity of Patton’s reaction completely comes out of left field here. He hears Thomas trying to rationalize the opposing idea, and instead of trying to talk it out as he did in the past, he literally cuts off the conversation and tells Thomas how he thinks/feels. This is a classic abuser tactic, as stated above when I talked about the “excited” line, wherein the abuser strips the abused of autonomy.

Toxic Behavior: invalidation/stripping one of their autonomy (1)

⭐ (SvS; 29:52) D: “…Acting in your own self interest.” P: “That’s wrong!”

This isn’t necessarily a “toxic behavior” in the terms that I’m outlining here in this post, but it is one that the fandom has been talking about since the video dropped: Patton’s black-and-white views leading to Thomas neglecting himself over his friends. Patton said in The Mind VS. The Heart, [in response to Thomas saying he needs to make time for himself] “Oh, of course! I never wanted you to feel like you couldn’t!“, and Thomas later says in Growing Up, ”I can’t go moment to moment doing whatever you want me to do”. These are fairly early videos in the series, and yet it seems that the lessons brought up in said videos were forgotten very quickly (especially since this will, hopefully, be the third time it’s being addressed…). Patton has grown in many ways, but this seems to be the one lesson that won’t stick. In fact, if SvS showed us anything, it’s that Patton’s gotten worse. 

Toxic Behavior: self (or Base((since we aren’t saying host anymore))) neglect (1)

⭐ (DWIT; 18:11) P: “Is Thomas a bad person?”

This quote, coupled with a Toxic Behavior I address in a previous episode down below, actually shows a dangerous polarization of thought towards people called Idealization and Devaluation. Simply put, with this line of thinking, one views people as either perfect, sometimes near godly, or corrupt, dirty, rotten, not-worth-my-time, and there is no in between. With Patton’s reoccurring question of “Is Thomas a bad person?” he shows evidence that this is the case; despite what he may say, he has only ever described Thomas and the other sides as a good/perfect person, or a Bad Person. It’s a toxic mindset that can ruin relationships.

Toxic Behavior: devaluation (and idealization) (1)

So how did we get to this point? Click the read more to find out!

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Patton takes the others out for family walks. They are very long and usually involves a lot of activity. Virgil always tells Patton when his feet start hurting but he just tells him to deal with it, they’re on bonding time. His feet get so bad it’s literally so difficult to walk and keep up. Patton equates it to Virgil just being emotionally distant and making excuses to trail from behind. And he tells him this, every time he stops participating and wants to take a break. His pain is so unbearable he often starts crying. The others are always trying to get Patton to stop forcing him to do this when it clearly hurts him this bad. But Patton throws a fit and whines every time the others take Virgil’s side (which is always, he’s in pain). He goes right for the “you guys don’t like spending time with family, why?” guilt-trip and the others know he won’t let up so they have to just deal with it until they get home. Each of the others takes turns looking after Virgil on their walks to make sure he doesn’t collapse or has a full-on breakdown. They sometimes have to resort to the piggyback method just to keep him with them, not lost or curling up on the ground. Patton gives them the stink eye and makes snide comments whenever they have to carry him but mostly says nothing since Virgil is there with them and that’s all that matters to him. They fight about the situation all the time at home because Patton insists this won’t affect his health at all.

Until one day, Virgil’s out with his new friend (crush)   and he stops in the middle of their walk together. When he asks why he was stopping, Virgil with the most strangled voice said, “I-…..I-I can’t move…”

Virgil ends up being carried home by his friend, having him call the others and dealing with their panicked voices over the phone, he’s immediately brought to his room on sight. They’re all there, including Deceit and Remus. (They aren’t “allowed” on family walks. Guess who’s idea that was.) They’re all comforting him and trying to get him to stop sobbing. But he can’t. He’s in so much pain. Everyone just wants him to be alright. Then Patton speaks up.

With the sweetest, adoring voice, the moral side strokes his hair and utters with a smile,  “See what happens when you don’t allow yourself to open up, Virgil? Consider this punishment for faking a problem to get out of family time.”

The others are seething.

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Just saw a post saying no one ever apologises to Patton, and... are we watching the same series?

Because I’m pretty sure Logan does. Quite a lot, actually. In Growing Up, if I’m remembering correctly, he sure did. He and Patton happily compromised in MvH. In POF, when he accidentally hit Patton with the textbox, he immediately apologised. And of course, we all remember the gift of the cat hoodie that Logan used to apologise and make it up to Patton in Moving On.

And, actually since Moving On, I think he’s actually been very nice to Patton (even if Patton isn’t always the nicest back. In fact, he’s been quite a bit of a dick to him, especially in POF). Even when Patton was at fault in DWIT, Logan was considerate as he talked through what Patton could do better. I find it harsh to call out all the sides for not apologising to Patton for things when Logan has nothing to apologise for (and I guess neither does Roman since Roman never really says bad stuff about Patton, not even during his breakdown at the end of POF. In fact, the black and white morality that Patton pushed for so long is what caused Roman to have this reaction to Janus’ acceptance, so...)

I feel, sometimes, some people in this fandom can paint canon Logan as a bit more of an asshole than he actually is. Just because he can be rather blunt and puts logic before emotions doesn’t mean he’s heartless. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: he seems to apologise the most out of the sides. And even though he doesn’t like being wrong, when he is and realises it, he apologises, and makes an effort to do better without needing to be told twice.

I mean, just look at LNTAO. He learns that ‘unconventional’ means of learning are just as useful and effective as conventional ones. A lesson he clearly holds on to, since he utilises the unconventional video game theme in POF.

Logan cares about his family and wants them to be happy. As of now, he’s probably the side on best terms with all of the others (well, he would be if they weren’t all mean to him for no reason). He’s not perfect of course, none of the sides are, but I don’t think not apologising is one of his flaws.

Patton does not deserve an apology from Logan. But Logan sure as hell deserves one from him.

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Original

Roman tearfully after the new ep: I-I might duck out… W-What’s the point staying around when you’re not wanted…

Virgil: Gee, Princey, I knew you were unoriginal but I didn’t think you were a copycat.

Roman:…

Roman laughing bitterly: Y-You’re right Virge!

Roman: I’m becoming a dark side instead!

Virgil: Wh-

Roman already sinking out with tears streaming: BYYYEEE~!

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I would happily punt virgil sanders into the abyss send tweet

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new ask game: kiss, kin, or kill. you can send either 1 character to be sorted under one of them or 3 characters to divide among each.

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Idea #11

Virgil will state that he feels uncomfortable with something (such as the others changing his appearance) but then will turn around and do that same things to the others without asking first

oH WAIT

HE'S ALREADY DONE THAT

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God

Don’t accuse me of having favorites, I like Logan, Roman, Janus, and Remus all equally

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Somebody on instagram just compared Patton Sanders to Aziraphale from Good Omens and I would like to inform you that Zira would beat Patton with a baseball bat no questions asked