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I did this for Instagram reels a while ago and everyone there is probably annoyed by it so I figured that I can also annoy Tumblr people with it ฅ^•ﻌ•^ฅ

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Woke up to this excellent addition.

According to these people apparently only perfectly normal functional Humans can be abused. Nevermind any other sentient being, we can sweep them under the rug.

The Sentimonster Problem

I'm about to say some things that may very well get me in hot water but I need you all to know that I am heavily autistic and a victim of abuse. I have friends who are all over the spectrum of mental illness, including some that have been extremely low functioning. So before you get up in arms, I know exactly what I'm talking about. If this upsets you, think about why it upsets you.

I've seen a lot of talk about the entire sentimonster situation being bad because it portrays abuse victims as nonhuman and therefore the abuse is acceptable and that's a bad thing to show abuse victims.

Let's look at what canon tells us about sentimonsters.

We've had explicit confirmation from the creator that sentimonsters made to be humans are humans.

We've had in-show confirmation that high-functioning sentis are sentient and capable of determining their own actions and thoughts.

We've had Felix fighting for the peacock miraculous so that the meaningless deaths of sentis will stop. He explicitly apologizes to Strikeback in the finale because he fully understands that they cannot fight against the commands of Hawkmoth when he holds their object.

We've also had sentis that are Not high functioning. Sentis that are led by their impulses like Feast.

That does not mean that these sentis are any less deserving of life or that suddenly sentis are a bad allegory for abuse.

To say that sentis are inhuman is to say that humans that exhibit these same traits are inhuman.

Abuse victims often find themselves incapable of saying no to their controllers. Mentally ill people sometimes have ugly symptoms and they act out on impulses that they cannot control. But the lot of you that are saying that sentis are being portrayed as purely evil would rather not think about things like this. You're the exact same people who see someone exhibiting nasty symptoms like violent tendencies or saying terrible things or having any other sort of outburst that you deem terrible and turn your back on them because they're now toxic and bad people. Sometimes humans do bad things. Sometimes they can't help doing bad things. You've taken the backlash about only having negative traits of mentally ill people portrayed and turned it into mentally ill people Don't have these sorts of outbursts and the second they do they're no longer representative of having mental illness. They're toxic and bad and you shouldn't associate with them. I have outbursts, my partner has outbursts, my friends have outbursts. But we have freedom to choose our actions. So we can apologize afterward becauae we realize this is bad to do to people. Sentis do not have this ability. They cannot fight back against their object's holder.

You look at Hawkmoth, who has done Nothing but prey on people who are weak and less likely to fight back, and see him find a group of people who Can't fight back and use them for his benefit and you put the blame on the sentis.

You're ignoring all of the work that has been put into this story to clearly make the sentis victims of Hawkmoth's influence. You're throwimg that out the window because you would rather not think that abuse victims or mentally ill people are susceptable to being influenced by bad people into doing bad things. Think long and hard about who's really being ableist or ignoring abuse victims here, the show that has done everything in its power to show the sentis as being who cannot fight back being made to do terrible things whether they like to or not or you who's choosing to ignore the fact that things like this can and do happen.

I speak from Experience. I am mentally ill. I have been made to do and say horrible things because I did not know any better. Not every mentally ill person is high functioning. Not every mentally ill person is capable of fighting back against people controlling them. Do not ignore these people, people like me, because you'd rather not think about this outcome.

The show is doing everything to portray the sentis as humane. You're taking a look at beings who aren't normal and saying they aren't human. Being low functioning does not make you less human. Having outbursts or being made to do things you don't want to do does not make you less human. Lashing out when you have no control over it does not make you less human. Acting strangely or in ways that "normal" people wouldn't doesn't make you less human. Stop saying these things and claiming to be on the side of the vulnerable. It's ignorant at best and willfully disingenuous at worst.

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On the topic of sentimonster Adrien, it always kind of bothers me when people compare him too heavily with other sentimonsters, and I think it’s why people have such a hard time grasping what him being a sentimonster means. I get why people compare them, because it’s kind of the obvious first thing to do when trying to understand it, but comparing them can only take you so far.

“Sentimonster” is a term equally as broad as the word “animal”. Humans are animals. Sharks are animals. Comparing the natural behavior and ability to express thoughts/emotions between a shark and a human is clearly a bogus comparison, and we have to take that into account when comparing Adrien to any other sentimonsters. It’s simply useless to compare him to any sentimonsters other than the human ones: Sentigabriel, Sentibubbler, Sentialec, Sentinino, and Bugette/Sentibug. and Felix but we’ll get to him

But even then. I don’t think they’re very comparable.

Aside from Bugette/Sentibug, we haven’t seen any of these sentimonsters act on pure free will. They were born, they were controlled, and then they were disposed of within half an hour of their birth. To say “well, sentibubbler didn’t seem to have any strong opinions, so he may as well have been a husk!” is a… strange statement to make about some guy who was born 20 minutes ago and was forced to do what he was told. Of course he doesn’t have any strong opinions!

Bugette is really the closest sentimonster that can really be fairly compared, but she still was only alive for like… I don’t know? 15 minutes? Again, pointing out the lack of a developed personality in her is pointless. It doesn’t matter if you’re a sentimonster, or if you’re a perfectly biological human grown in a tube who just stepped out of your chamber at the ripe old age of 14— you’re probably not going to have any strong opinions or personality quirks. That doesn’t make you not human, that just means you haven’t been given a chance to live yet.

But Adrien? Adrien (and Felix) is the oldest human sentimonster we know. He’s been alive for fourteen years, from Wishmaker we know that he was actually born as a baby. He has lived life. He has had time to form his own personality and opinions. 

He’s basically just a human, he’s lived his whole life as one, and comparing him to some guy who lived for 5 minutes and then immediately died and determining that Adrien’s personality/emotions must be fake because you didn’t think sentialec had a personality? …. I just think it’s a strange take.

That being said, I also need to point out that many of the human sentimonsters, despite all of this, did seem to have some personality to them. It’s difficult to tell exactly where the “just following orders and performing exactly how shadowmoth wants me to act” begins and the “natural personality showing through” ends, but the fact of the matter is that we don’t know. We don’t. 

You cannot definitively point at scenes like these and say that these weren’t at least semi-genuine reactions from the sentimonsters. You can speculate, sure, but that speculation isn’t strong enough to discredit Adrien’s entire personality (especially because, I repeat, even if it was all artificial they’ve been alive for 5 minutes):

sentialec taunting Style Queen and then running away laughing (sentialec’s entire purpose was to get Style Queen akumatized. Why would shadowmoth instruct him to laugh? his mission was complete! he didn’t have to do anything! and the real Alec is kind of a coward, so it’s not like he’s giving a convincing performance of the real Alec):

sentinino getting startled by Ladybug (why would shadowmoth tell him to pretend to be nervous about Ladybug? serious question. I honestly believe sentinino was genuinely nervous about being forced to do an undercover mission.):

shadowmoth talking to sentibubbler, and sentibubbler giving a kind of nervous/panicked response (seriously, rewatch this scene if you have to. in both french and english you can hear the nervousness in sentibubbler’s voice, and this is him talking TO shadowmoth, NOT parroting what he’s telling him to say):

In all of the above screenshots, the sentimonsters were being actively controlled by Shadowmoth. Their object was being held, yet they seemingly still had a bit of a mind on their own. Again, you can argue to the ends of the earth that these are simply emotionless husks that are pretending to be human, but at that point there’s really nothing that can convince you otherwise. 

Saying “shadowmoth’s sentimonsters are emotionless, therefore Adrien is emotionless” is such a strange take because: A) shadowmoth’s sentimonsters never lived for longer than half an hour B) shadowmoth’s sentimonsters do show hints of personality/emotion C) the peacock is… literally the miraculous of Emotion… I didn’t mention that until now but honestly that alone should make this pretty clear. D) Adrien has lived a completely different life from them. They’re just not comparable.

The only other sentimonster that really can be completely fairly compared to Adrien is Felix. In fact, I’m pretty sure that’s Felix’s point. He’s Adrien’s foil. He’s there to show how different two different sentimonsters made under similar circumstances can be! Because they’re two people. They’re people, so they’re different from each other. They’re people, so their personalities differ. 

I understand why sentimonster Adrien theory feels like Adrien’s entire humanity has been a lie, but that’s just simply not the case. Adrien has humanity. He always has, and the circumstances of his birth don’t change that fact. I fully believe that if Adrien was born as a human or as a sentimonster, he’d still be the same exact character (except maybe with some extra trauma for being a sentimonster). 

And this is all just going into the sentimonsters that people usually bring up as a point against Adrien. Obviously if I delved into the Ladybug episode, whose entire thesis was “sentimonsters are just like humans” and delved more into Bugette, then this point would be even clearer. But I often see people use the other sentihumans as counterpoints, and I wanted to point out that they really aren’t the counter-examples that people think they are.

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It doesn't but they'd rather not think about that. I cannot even Believe this fandom has to be told that all sentient beings are capable of being abused. You do not have to be a human to be a person that is deserving of free will and life. This is objectification of people who don't behave how you think they should. I shouldn't have to say that this is disgusting.

It's disgusting. Stop.

The Sentimonster Problem

I'm about to say some things that may very well get me in hot water but I need you all to know that I am heavily autistic and a victim of abuse. I have friends who are all over the spectrum of mental illness, including some that have been extremely low functioning. So before you get up in arms, I know exactly what I'm talking about. If this upsets you, think about why it upsets you.

I've seen a lot of talk about the entire sentimonster situation being bad because it portrays abuse victims as nonhuman and therefore the abuse is acceptable and that's a bad thing to show abuse victims.

Let's look at what canon tells us about sentimonsters.

We've had explicit confirmation from the creator that sentimonsters made to be humans are humans.

We've had in-show confirmation that high-functioning sentis are sentient and capable of determining their own actions and thoughts.

We've had Felix fighting for the peacock miraculous so that the meaningless deaths of sentis will stop. He explicitly apologizes to Strikeback in the finale because he fully understands that they cannot fight against the commands of Hawkmoth when he holds their object.

We've also had sentis that are Not high functioning. Sentis that are led by their impulses like Feast.

That does not mean that these sentis are any less deserving of life or that suddenly sentis are a bad allegory for abuse.

To say that sentis are inhuman is to say that humans that exhibit these same traits are inhuman.

Abuse victims often find themselves incapable of saying no to their controllers. Mentally ill people sometimes have ugly symptoms and they act out on impulses that they cannot control. But the lot of you that are saying that sentis are being portrayed as purely evil would rather not think about things like this. You're the exact same people who see someone exhibiting nasty symptoms like violent tendencies or saying terrible things or having any other sort of outburst that you deem terrible and turn your back on them because they're now toxic and bad people. Sometimes humans do bad things. Sometimes they can't help doing bad things. You've taken the backlash about only having negative traits of mentally ill people portrayed and turned it into mentally ill people Don't have these sorts of outbursts and the second they do they're no longer representative of having mental illness. They're toxic and bad and you shouldn't associate with them. I have outbursts, my partner has outbursts, my friends have outbursts. But we have freedom to choose our actions. So we can apologize afterward becauae we realize this is bad to do to people. Sentis do not have this ability. They cannot fight back against their object's holder.

You look at Hawkmoth, who has done Nothing but prey on people who are weak and less likely to fight back, and see him find a group of people who Can't fight back and use them for his benefit and you put the blame on the sentis.

You're ignoring all of the work that has been put into this story to clearly make the sentis victims of Hawkmoth's influence. You're throwimg that out the window because you would rather not think that abuse victims or mentally ill people are susceptable to being influenced by bad people into doing bad things. Think long and hard about who's really being ableist or ignoring abuse victims here, the show that has done everything in its power to show the sentis as being who cannot fight back being made to do terrible things whether they like to or not or you who's choosing to ignore the fact that things like this can and do happen.

I speak from Experience. I am mentally ill. I have been made to do and say horrible things because I did not know any better. Not every mentally ill person is high functioning. Not every mentally ill person is capable of fighting back against people controlling them. Do not ignore these people, people like me, because you'd rather not think about this outcome.

The show is doing everything to portray the sentis as humane. You're taking a look at beings who aren't normal and saying they aren't human. Being low functioning does not make you less human. Having outbursts or being made to do things you don't want to do does not make you less human. Lashing out when you have no control over it does not make you less human. Acting strangely or in ways that "normal" people wouldn't doesn't make you less human. Stop saying these things and claiming to be on the side of the vulnerable. It's ignorant at best and willfully disingenuous at worst.

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The Sentimonster Problem

I'm about to say some things that may very well get me in hot water but I need you all to know that I am heavily autistic and a victim of abuse. I have friends who are all over the spectrum of mental illness, including some that have been extremely low functioning. So before you get up in arms, I know exactly what I'm talking about. If this upsets you, think about why it upsets you.

I've seen a lot of talk about the entire sentimonster situation being bad because it portrays abuse victims as nonhuman and therefore the abuse is acceptable and that's a bad thing to show abuse victims.

Let's look at what canon tells us about sentimonsters.

We've had explicit confirmation from the creator that sentimonsters made to be humans are humans.

We've had in-show confirmation that high-functioning sentis are sentient and capable of determining their own actions and thoughts.

We've had Felix fighting for the peacock miraculous so that the meaningless deaths of sentis will stop. He explicitly apologizes to Strikeback in the finale because he fully understands that they cannot fight against the commands of Hawkmoth when he holds their object.

We've also had sentis that are Not high functioning. Sentis that are led by their impulses like Feast.

That does not mean that these sentis are any less deserving of life or that suddenly sentis are a bad allegory for abuse.

To say that sentis are inhuman is to say that humans that exhibit these same traits are inhuman.

Abuse victims often find themselves incapable of saying no to their controllers. Mentally ill people sometimes have ugly symptoms and they act out on impulses that they cannot control. But the lot of you that are saying that sentis are being portrayed as purely evil would rather not think about things like this. You're the exact same people who see someone exhibiting nasty symptoms like violent tendencies or saying terrible things or having any other sort of outburst that you deem terrible and turn your back on them because they're now toxic and bad people. Sometimes humans do bad things. Sometimes they can't help doing bad things. You've taken the backlash about only having negative traits of mentally ill people portrayed and turned it into mentally ill people Don't have these sorts of outbursts and the second they do they're no longer representative of having mental illness. They're toxic and bad and you shouldn't associate with them. I have outbursts, my partner has outbursts, my friends have outbursts. But we have freedom to choose our actions. So we can apologize afterward becauae we realize this is bad to do to people. Sentis do not have this ability. They cannot fight back against their object's holder.

You look at Hawkmoth, who has done Nothing but prey on people who are weak and less likely to fight back, and see him find a group of people who Can't fight back and use them for his benefit and you put the blame on the sentis.

You're ignoring all of the work that has been put into this story to clearly make the sentis victims of Hawkmoth's influence. You're throwimg that out the window because you would rather not think that abuse victims or mentally ill people are susceptable to being influenced by bad people into doing bad things. Think long and hard about who's really being ableist or ignoring abuse victims here, the show that has done everything in its power to show the sentis as being who cannot fight back being made to do terrible things whether they like to or not or you who's choosing to ignore the fact that things like this can and do happen.

I speak from Experience. I am mentally ill. I have been made to do and say horrible things because I did not know any better. Not every mentally ill person is high functioning. Not every mentally ill person is capable of fighting back against people controlling them. Do not ignore these people, people like me, because you'd rather not think about this outcome.

The show is doing everything to portray the sentis as humane. You're taking a look at beings who aren't normal and saying they aren't human. Being low functioning does not make you less human. Having outbursts or being made to do things you don't want to do does not make you less human. Lashing out when you have no control over it does not make you less human. Acting strangely or in ways that "normal" people wouldn't doesn't make you less human. Stop saying these things and claiming to be on the side of the vulnerable. It's ignorant at best and willfully disingenuous at worst.

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you see a man hunched over a sink, splashing water on his face and in the mirror he just keeps chanting “c’mon babygirl you got this, c’mon babygirl, c’mon-” to hype himself up because he’s clearly going through it

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Ladybug: *confused screaming*

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self-indulgent chat noir stimboard with themes of glowy green things and the color black

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meow btw. if you even care.

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