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same anon :33 tbh i never considered fallowtail hateable but ig your post brings up some points lol
also WHAT about Blossomfall and Hawkfrost having kits?? i thought your au was serious 😭 I hope you know I am stalking your page and waiting for you to reply.
hello same anon :3 you're spamming my inbox (i'm not mad) my au is semi-serious. it's a lot of concepts that i think of without any warning and then try to make it make sense on paper. SO UM yeah Blossom doesn't have kits with Thornclaw because A: that clears up the tree and B: Thornclaw, IF i give him kits, will most likely have them with someone else. i'm not a massive shipper. i actually rarely ship things, but I like exploring questionable dynamics. accidentally getting pregnant by your abusive dead mentor in hell? absolutely, i can work with that. but the thing is that this idea is outdated lmfao. remember the "try to make the concepts make sense" thing? uh yeah, I found it MUCH more interesting if Hawkfrost was a redeemable antag that lived. I honestly can't see Brambleclaw murdering him after sucking up to him for the entire arc + the additional distrust from Firestar for not saving him but keeping him as deputy is also an intriguing dynamic. i'm rambling here, send me a different ask about Hawkfrost lol SO ANYWAY, yeah. Blossom and Hawk most likely will not be having kits anymore. it might be Blossom and Rushtooth instead. Rushtooth was present in ALITM and a bit of Spottedleaf's Heart, and I always found it weird that Blossom had kits the arc RIGHT after her time in the Dark Forest. i don't particularly remember if there was a time skip between OotS and AVOS (there probably was and I'm just stupid) but no time to recuperate? i've also mentioned here that Rushtooth is hanging around in RiverClan's camp. so why not give them a reason? so the concept here is that even though Blossom fights against the DF in the Great Battle, she views their strength as something to not go to waste. Ivypool (who earns NUMEROUS scars there) survived and everyone knows she's a great choice for deputy. what's the issue? and with the early version of The Kin emerging nearing the end of OotS, (you'll understand why) and already proving troublesome, stealing prey and whatnot, it adds to the stress. Rushtooth is one of Blossomfall's mentors instead of Applefur. they were always more sensitive to the living world than other DF members. they've never quite gotten over their death (which is undecided, I'm open to ideas) and have been looking for connections to the living world. they WEREN'T looking for kits here. but Blossomfall is theatrical and brutally honest. whenever Rushtooth asks her a question about life, "What's the current state of ThunderClan?" she answers. "It's shit."
Rushtooth doesn't care about ThunderClan. Blossomfall isn't an idiot, but she, for all of her bitchiness (affectionate), needs to vent. Millie and Briarlight aren't getting any better. She and Graystripe aren't getting any closer. Bumblestripe isn't a good venting partner (affectionate), and Ivypool isn't either (aggressive). And Blossomfall is pretty. Rushtooth doesn't care about that either, but it gives them status. Mapleshade belittles Rushtooth in Spotted's Heart, so in my AU, they're on the lower end of the "hierarchy" in the DF. not much respect is shot their way, but having a pretty, devoted, successful trainee, AND being her closest mentor boosts them a bit. and hey why not, for funsies Hawkfrost has a crush on Blossomfall just as a reference to the original idea. he later drops this though because he'll quit training in the DF before her and devote himself more to RiverClan, thus seeing her less. but anyway, the death of Briarlight crushes her... but not really. Blossomfall and Briarlight drifted away over time in this AU. Blossomfall became more mean-spirited and Briarlight distanced herself from that. she had enough on her plate with Millie. so when Briarlight dies, Blossomfall doesn't attend the vigil. she wouldn't be welcome. she's everything Briarlight hated. Blossomfall is negative and spiteful and she trained in the DF and continues to do so. but more importantly, Millie and Graystripe are there. and she HATES them. it's selfish. mainly NOT attending her sister's funeral because of THEIR shitty parents, and Blossomfall vents all about it to Rushtooth. "I know it's cruel and awful that I didn't go, but Briarlight wouldn't want me there anyway. We didn't get along that well, and I would've only started drama."
"You sound like you're deflecting from the fact that it's about your feelings. You don't know what Briarlight would've wanted." "Of course I don't! And I never will because I'll never make it to StarClan to ask her! Not that I would've. No way she'd talk to me then. I skipped her funeral--who wants to talk to their littermate after that?" Rushtooth doesn't care that much. Blossomfall isn't stupid, as I said earlier. But it works. Rushtooth isn't a demon, they're just in the DF. Rushtooth being a completely dismissive asshole also inspires Blossomfall to care less in general. Plenty of cats in ThunderClan are rude and aggressive and get away with it. Why should she feel guilty? She didn't attend Briarlight's vigil, so what? Millie and Graystripe did. She hopes Briarlight didn't expect her to go with them there. And besides, Blossomfall has another littermate. He's not Briarlight, and thank StarClan he isn't. Don't get it wrong, Blossomfall would still die for ThunderClan. But now she'd die for herself first. Blossomfall trains in the DF without much guilt now. Ivypool stops trying to stop her. In case you're curious anon, Blossomivy are a semi-thing. They get divorced every week but they can't stay away from each other. Ivypool has her first litter with Blossomfall by adopting the kits when they're born after A LOT of begging from Blossomfall. dw she still has Fernsong, probably. but yeah this massive response started with Blossomrush kits and it's ending like that lol. I already know what you're thinking. "How does a ghost have kits with a living warrior?" idk lmao, don't forget that this is all a massive concept (albeit one that I like the more I think about it). so yeah, Blossomfall and Rushtooth DO eventually have kits. Rushtooth figures that there's no better connection to the living world than a family, one that they never got to have when they were alive. Blossomfall agrees to be the surrogate because, well, why not? Everyone is moving on around her while she's stuck in the past. She's mad about that. It's embarrassing. Blossomfall agrees to be the surrogate because, well, why not? Everyone is moving on around her while she's stuck in the past. She's mad about that. It's embarrassing. So she agrees, on Rushtooth's condition that one of the kits MUST go to RiverClan somehow. they don't care how, but they must live in RiverClan. "Just one?" "Just one. I don't care what you do with the others." "No problem." Blossomfall could DEFINITELY be a better mother than Millie. Instead of having kits in AVOS, it's getting pushed back to TBC, most likely Lost Stars. During her pregnancy, she steps away from the DF to raise her kits. No way can she risk dying every night if she'll have a litter soon. This also sets up a 'reflection' arc for Blossomfall, now that she's away from the toxic environment of the DF and soon-to-be mother. this reflection arc is NOT a redemption arc. don't get it mixed up. Blossomfall is still just as rude and bullying and snappy as before, but is she? despite their ups and downs, despite Blossomfall literally bullying Ivypool as apprentices and the two getting into plenty of clashes as adults, Ivypool still wants to adopt Blossomfall's kits as her own. she and Bumblestripe are still close even after Millie and Graystripe and Briarlight. Blossomfall doesn't stop being nasty, but maybe she can be a bit nicer and extend a paw like the ones that were extended to her. She was allowed to stay in ThunderClan even after her status as a DF trainee was initially revealed. She still has the chance to be a mother and give her kits the childhood she wanted, even if their sire is a ghost in hell. This reflection is recognition. It's in Blossomfall's character to be unable to let go, she's far too toxic for that. But she can be nice, even if that niceness is coated in scathing words.
#third ask#blossomfall is literally one of my favorite canon characters i'd hate myself if I didn't spoil her with emotional trauma#Rushtooth is SUCH a nothing character in canon as well so yeah here they are#warrior cats au#the chest in the closet#blossomfall's kits being born in TBC also opens up some possibilites#like angst. what if Blossomfall kept her kits away from Millie and Graystripe (since Millie dies around GV iirc)#well if she didn't then she is now#stemleaf might not be a Blossom kit anymore. tbh all of her kits might get changed#I considered making Leafshade a Blossom kit#we'll see#blossomfall#rushtooth#I plan to expand on Graystripe's impact on not being involved in the three B's lives but in this ask I kind of focused on Millie mb
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same anon but more questions, more general: 1: what are the dark forest and starclan like in your AU? 2: you said that duskfur and podlight don't like children. why? 3: is every character getting a name change?
anon you're scaring me how did you send this so quick anyway: "What are the Dark Forest and StarClan like in your AU?" This deserves a post of its own, sorry lmao. UHH the gist of it is that the difference between DF and StC is complicated. There is no clear "good" or "bad" afterlife for the Clans, the cats just happen to think that. it's as good or as bad as you, or the other residents, make it out to be. depending on how i explore this, there might be levels to StC and the DF "You said that Duskfur and Podlight don't like children. Why?" they're assholes. this one is more rambly, but duskfur really used to be an asshole. her character was just changed midway through the arc bc idk fuck her. i liked that duskfur couldn't fully accept what Curlfeather did, but i wished it was rooted in selfishness bc that's who Duskfur used to be. selfish, proud, and combative. she loves both of her children, but in my AU, Duskfur used to be a rogue before joining RiverClan under Tigerstar and Leopardstar (Tigerstar's ideology comes from a massive hypocrite in Thistleclaw), possibly sometime after during reconstruction and grave digging, since more cats are executed and/or die. timeline is still being figured out, but Curlfeather and Podlight will already been apprentice-aged when they joined RiverClan with Duskfur, possibly just above five moons, so a survivalist mindset comes first. while Curlfeather manages to expand her views (somewhat), Podlight is still a selfish character, and so is Duskfur since she keeps her rough edges from her time as a rogue. i feel like this is explained REALLY poorly so i'll probably have to make another post if you didn't understand what i meant "Is every character getting a name change?" no. a lot of characters keep their names like Lionheart, Redtail, Tigerclaw, etc. Bluefur might get changed to Blueflower after a bluebell (plant symbolism we love it). I'm currently working on TC's territory, but bluebells are most likely rare in their territory, so the name is a blessing of sorts in Tawnyspots' eyes (he changed their names). Bluemoon is a good name I see around, but I decided to give the -moon suffix to Snowfur instead. not only is Snowmoon a good name, but Snowmoon and Blueflower obviously make Moonflower together. both sisters come to this conclusion, and it takes a toll of both of their mental health, Blueflower moreso than Snowmoon. their names are part of a legacy, a melancholy, and so are they as beings, and they don't even realize it. they realize their mother's name within theirs, and they try to live up to it. Snowfur wasn't a saint in the books, and Snowmoon won't be either. yet again, this deserves a post of its own. i should make a list OH YEAH BEFORE I FORGET, some characters will be getting an appearance change because i decided to make the trees semi-genetically accurate. clearly i hate myself
#second ask#wouldn't it be funny if I just counted my asks in the tags#but yeah we love tragic families (in fiction I wish everyone the best irl)#the chest in the closet#warrior cats au
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woah this looks cool :o a few questions: 1: is your rewrite political? 2: are there villains who get redeemed? 3: is curlfeather and splashtail evil? 4: how do you feel about other arcs and will you also rewrite them or just ASC? 5: are you still reworking family trees? (i wish you luck if you are)
my first ask! anyway: "Is your rewrite political?" nah. TcitC is not CENTERED around politics, but it does include them, sometimes more prominent in some arcs than others. politics in general is a touchy subject for me. i hate them. WC as a series is political, but my AU is telling a story for the sake of telling a story. political elements are there to push the story forward. i also have other rewrites for other fandoms that are more politic-centered, so WC is just me taking a break ig "Are there villains who get redeemed?" yeah. i haven't decided who exactly, but be rest assured that some "villains" do get redeemed! i'm thinking Star Flower from DOTC will be one of these redeemed villains because of a post I made a while back. it's probably outdated though. DOTC lives by different standards from modern Clans, so what counts as Star Flower getting redeemed there might not work the same way as in modern clans. "Is Curlfeather and Splashtail evil?" no, but they might be in the eyes of RiverClan (mainly Splashtail, Curlfeather went under the radar). not to be poetic, but evil is simultaneously a complex thing and not. a person (or cat in this case) is actions and ideals personified, but we also have the power of thought and perception. sociopaths aren't inherently evil, but stigma is a perception. what one might consider far another doesn't, and that's kind of what RC is going to be going through in AU-ASC. "How do you feel about other arcs and will you also rewrite them or just ASC?" if i had to rate arcs from favorite to worst, the ranking would probably be, TBC -> ASC -> TBP -> TNP -> PoT -> AVOS -> OotS -> DOTC -> CS (counting it lol) this ranking is extremely arbitrary btw. this flips like a dime depending on the day and how much I've reread them. so yeah take this with a grain of salt ig, i analyze arcs as a whole but I'm much more interested in individual books yeah, I'll get around to coming up with concepts for the other arcs. I'm currently focused on ASC bc I've always worked based on what I'm most interested in at that moment. currently it just happens to be ASC since it finished up. i've talked a bit about what I've thought of for other characters in other arcs, like Leopardstar and Mudfur, minor characters, Fernshade, Fallowtail and Reedfeather, etc. i do need to talk about other characters though so i don't blame you for thinking i was doing only ASC lmao "Are you still reworking family trees?" yeah. a lot of family aren't entirely the same. Stonestream will most likely be the son of Heavybelly and Dawnbright like it was originally intended. Emberdawn (the sister of Mosspelt) might have her children gutted. Floatshimmer is DEFINITELY having her children gutted. They are most likely dying or going to a different family, or just being repurposed altogether. a lot of kits in CS are probably going to different families because they are rather too young or I just didn't like it (needleclaw). if i'm not explicitly stating that the parents are going to change, then other parents in that arc will probably keep their kids. despite my ranting in the past, I'm not entirely against the baby boom. i just feel like the Erins will drop the ball, per usual. i've considered making cats just be outsiders to solve the problem, but that's boring. but without a doubt some cats have outsider blood. some Clans will be more xenophobic than others (TC and RC are more strongly against outsiders), and to explain the outsider blood, I'm thinking during periods of leadership leisure that some cats who were more willing to skirt around the code saw their chances and took it. some cats also have multiple fathers. this post is DEFINITELY outdated but yeah, i've always been receptive to this idea (i'm also open to non-serious ideas)
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I've been thinking that since the ghost of Curlfeather visits Splashtail when he's asleep, the ghost of Curlfeather does the same here. BUT, since Splashface can see ghosts regardless of whether he's asleep or not, it's a calculated choice to only visit him when he's asleep so he WON'T sleep. She wants to see Splashface crash and burn after he killed her. Sleep deprivation from the dead, if you will. She knows he's TERRIFIED of her.
It, along with a whole lot of other shit, contributes to an ultimately bloody leadership from Splashface.
#the chest in the closet#warrior cats au#ig I'm sticking with Splashface being able to see ghosts#so i was thinking how i could keep Curlfeather haunting him if he sees them all of the time#obviously sleep deprivation yk#is he seeing her in his dreams or was he just awake the entire night?#hehe#Curlfeather wanders around camp to see how everyone is holding up#mainly hovering over her kits without their knowledge#“have you been treating my kits well?” Curlfeather asks knowing Splashface attempted to murder Frostdawn#also idk if it's just me but RiverClan allegiances look small next to other clans#i need more cats to live so i can kill them lol#uh about the allegiances I just counted them (as of Star) and RiverClan is in fact the smallest Clan#TC has 47 cats. ShC has 26 cats. SkC has 28. RC has 25.#Subtracting everyone who is exiled or dies RiverClan has 20 cats#and ShadowClan has 28 cats since Sparrowtail and Hollowspring rejoin#the authors could be a bit less obvious about their favoritism#I included kits in those counts btw
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okay so I actually got a lil curious and using Star allegiances, marked who was related to who. excluding Berryheart, Hollowspring, and Sparrowtail because they're ShadowClan, 9 cats are related to Graymist through Mallownose or Sneezecloud (11 are related to Graymist if you count her sons) 6 cats are related to Icewing through Petalfur Minnowtail is related to Mosspelt 4 cats are related to a different tree besides Gray or Ice and 3 cats are completely fresh blood with no trees whatsoever (Duskfur started her tree so I'm counting her). important cats are marked in different shades idk (like Mallow and Sneeze being a lighter brown)
#I did this for no particular reason other than curiosity#take it#warrior cats#riverclan#uhh idk Gorseclaw?#yeah Gorseclaw#gorseclaw
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Curlfeather canonically groomed Splashtail, whether some fans want to admit this or not (looking at a redditor i got into an argument with). I did an analysis on this in the past, but TLDR; Splashtail became more radicalized than Curlfeather as a result of her twisting his "ambition" (fuck you Erins) so, in the AU: Curlfeather swoops in. Trying to make sense of the canon timeline here; Splashtail and Fognose were born sometime before Lost Stars, while Curlfeather gives birth to Frostdawn, Mistpool, and Graysky in The Silent Thaw. So Curlfeather would've been in the nursery with Havenpelt while Splash and Fog were kits. OKAY SO In the AU, Curlfeather notices that Splashkit is… strange. It's not on purpose. She wasn't actively observing this child; she could care less about Havencloud's kits. But she's going to be a mother for the first time, and she's nervous because Jayclaw actually dies BEFORE Curlfeather's kits are born, not while they're young like canon. She's going to be a single mother, and Havencloud has promised to help her since, yk, at least Havencloud has Sneezemuzzle. Both of Curlfeather's relatives, her brother Podspring (canonically Podlight) and her mother Duskfur (name will most likely change), don't like children in this AU. Duskfur has offered to babysit after Curlfeather begged, and Podspring told Curlfeather to go to hell. She's alone in the nursery, but she can get some tips from witnessing Havencloud with her kits. When they are born, she notices that the dark gray tom is just a tabby. Nothing unusual, but as he grows older, he suddenly has a white face marking. How odd. And suddenly he's staring into nothingness, and he doesn't like being around the Clan, and from snippets she can hear from the nursery, they think he's odd. Curlfeather doesn't have any major interaction with Splashkit. She doesn't step in when Sneezemuzzle and Havencloud neglect him and Fogkit. She's too focused on her own kits. BUT the major interaction comes from before Softripple's death. Frostkit, Mistkit, and Graykit are born now, and she's doing quite well, but she often takes breaks because Frostkit has her father's eyes, Mistkit has her father's gentleness, and Graykit has her father's determination. It gets to be a bit much sometimes, along with being a first-time mother and whatnot. Nursing feels weird, yada yada. And now she's alone, because Fogkit and Splashkit have become apprentices, and Havencloud doesn't have to be in the nursery. So she takes a break, leaving her kits in the care of Turtlestalk (canonically Mosspelt). She overhears Splashpaw admitting to Softripple that he can see ghosts. Softripple, as I said in a different post, didn't fully buy into it. But Curlfeather believes it enough to keep an eye on the kid. Still, she doesn't approach him. Until after Softripple's death, and Mistystar bending to the impostor. Who does that? Not a RiverClanner. Now, in the AU, Curlfeather and Podspring are actually born ROGUES because Duskfur was a rogue. They have no father because Duskfur fucking murdered him but yeah, they were born rogues. Dusk brought little Curl and Pod to RiverClan when the two were apprentice-aged. BUT ANYWAY yeah, Curl was resistant at first, but she eventually integrated into Clan life and was named Curlpaw and then obviously Curlfeather. Her name MIGHT change to Lightfeather, but for now it's Curlfeather. So back on topic, Curlfeather keeps an eye on Splashpaw, and sometime after Softripple dies, she notices that Splashpaw often pulls away from Minnowtail, wanting to be on his own. So, she approaches him while he's on a lonesome brooding moment.
Splashpaw doesn't want to talk at first, but Curlfeather doesn't really care about what he wants.
She asks if he can really see ghosts. He says yes. After some idle conversation, Curlfeather asks "Do you ever see StarClan ghosts?"
This causes Splashpaw to freeze. He never thought about this, ever. But now that he's thinking about it… "Well, no, but they'll see me eventually."
"Why eventually? Why not now? Aren't cats who can see ghosts special? Why do you think medicine cats exist?"
Splashpaw has nothing to say to these questions. They're ripping him apart, picking at his worst insecurities. And Curlfeather has him where she wants him. His reaction basically confirms that yes, he CAN see ghosts, but it'll be their little secret once Curlfeather really digs her claws into him.
And this also assists with her plan to become the leader of RiverClan. Curlfeather doesn't want to become leader because of malice, she genuinely thinks Mistystar is a terrible leader who makes awful and sentimental decisions that ultimately affect her Clan. Why did she apparently stay with Blackclaw for so long when he treated her like utter shit? She's weak and affected. Curlfeather loved Jayclaw to StarClan and back, and the stars knows she misses him everyday, but she'd never let memories affect her.
Curlfeather could never kill Mistystar. She'd have to get through all of her lives, firstly.
But Reedwhisker, he's doable. He's the deputy, and Mistystar's son, but all of her other children died anyway. Stonefur died. Bluestar died. It's fine. Curlstar sounds like a cool name anyway.
But still, Curlfeather doesn't want to dirty her paws directly, she still has kits to raise. But this kid, this kid who looks into hell could, with a little shove. Curlfeather spends more time with Splashpaw, planting these seeds into his head, promising that he'll be deputy when she becomes leader. Minnowtail doesn't question this. She tried to bond with Splashpaw so many times but couldn't, maybe Curlfeather could. It'd help him process his grief for Softripple, making new friends and whatnot.
Curlfeather is fully committed to her plan at this point with Minnowtail's "permission." She has Splashpaw, and she has her kits, perfectly moldable.
And by the time of the first book in ASC, River: Frostpaw is a medicine cat apprentice, Graypaw is a considerable enforcer, Mistpaw is shaping up to be a lovely warrior, and Reedwhisker is dead without her laying a single paw on him.
#idk why I mentioned that redditor lol they don't know I have a tumblr#anyway this isn't to make curlf a sexual freak or anything (that argument pissed me off tbh)#(so ignore that previous tag ig that's what i'm referencing)#initially posted this without tags because Tumblr hates my ideas and doesn't want me to post things#uh so yeah#the chest in the closet#warrior cats au#I COULD ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT CURLFEATHER'S MOTIVATIONS#maybe in a different post i'm tired lol#curlfeather#splashtail#oh yeah also Havencloud and Sneezemuzzle are Havenpelt and Sneezecloud#Havenpelt is white in my au for no particular reason other than that's how I imagined her until I browsed the wiki one day#I still need to talk about Fognose :(#I kept Minnowtail's name the same just bc I like it enough#also Minnowtail is Mosspelt's granddaughter??? the more you know#almost everyone in RiverClan is related to Icestar Mosspelt or Mallownose
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dude stonestream (he's the one on the left) could've been named after stonefur if he had been born a little later loudbelly (he was planned to be stonestream's father) participated in tigerclan as well iirc imagine if loudbelly named stonestream after stonefur due to guilt for watching him get executed?? dude imagine if that was controversial like "i'll name my son after stonefur to begin to make up for my mistakes" "you just want honor because your son looks like stonefur!" idk i'm tired but this was an idea i had i'll probably revisit this later
#the chest in the closet#warrior cats au#stonestream had planned littermates I think#imagine if dawnbright (his other parent she would've been dead by the time he was born I think) was adopted or half-clan or something#and imagine if loudbelly was secretly glad she was dead by the time of tigerclan and feeling guilty for that#I want to make cats being named after someone more rarer in my au. bffr stemleaf did NOT need a kitten named after him#i'll talk more about this later bc this has been on my mimd
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OH WAIT YOU'RE THE ONE WHO WROTE THAT HII I actually read it... a lot...
i was getting antsy waiting for asc books to release lmfao. there was a severe lack of Berryheart to me. I actually really do like your work! I get stuck in loops of re-reading stuff over and over if I really like it
What Will Happen?
In Star, what do you think will end up happening to Berryheart?
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this is really funny seeing this poll after Star the Erins are really predictable in dropping the ball last minute
What Will Happen?
In Star, what do you think will end up happening to Berryheart?
#I agree op my headcanons for Berryheart actually canon#canon berry is just fanon misspelled#i actually pitched ideas for berryheart and they just totally ignored me trust me#berryheart they could never make me hate you#ACTUALLY that idea part is kinda true lol I kinda sent a suggestion thing to not kill Berryheart at the beginning of ASC bc of her potentia#but alas the Erins never let villains make it out of an arc alive#unless they're like Sol and Sleekwhisker where we'll never see them again#warrior cats#a starless clan#star spoilers#berryheart
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ik a lot of people whose first super rare pet is midnight, and granted, she was mine too, but this time around my first super rare was Merlin that's all
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"Hawkheart lunged at her and snatched her up with his powerful front paws, then flung her like prey across the clearing. Bluepaw saw the shock on her mother’s face as she landed hard and struggled to find her feet. But she wasn’t fast enough. Hawkheart pounced on her, ripping with his teeth and claws."
"Bluepaw gasped as her mother wrenched herself from Hawkheart and landed a searing blow on his muzzle. But the medicine cat didn’t even stumble. Instead he lunged again and, grabbing Moonflower by the throat, sent her skidding across the blood-slicked clearing.” — Both of these also occur in Bluestar’s Prophecy, Chapter 9 Mudfur, at most, pinned Adderfang down during their duel. The wording "landed hard and struggled to find her feet," suggests airtime when Moonflower was flung. Hawkheart is strong enough to basically throw someone, with or without airtime (if you don't read it like that.) He also sent her skidding after basically throwing her AGAIN by the throat. He didn't even use his paws that time. "'I can walk!' she gasped, twisting and clawing at the ground. Swiftbreeze let her find her paws, but as soon as she let go of her kit’s scruff, Leopardpaw collapsed, her legs too shaky to hold her. Swiftbreeze grabbed her again, and Leopardpaw staggered toward the edge of the clearing. Bluepaw followed, her nose filled with the scent of blood and fear and torn fur. 'ThunderClan brought kits!' A gray-flecked WindClan warrior was staring at Bluepaw. Bluepaw stopped and growled at the warrior. 'I’m not a kit!' The WindClan warrior advanced on her, his eyes gleaming. 'Then show me your battle moves, young warrior.' Fear shot through her. She didn’t know any. She’d been an apprentice for only two sunrises! She fought the urge to back away. I was born a warrior! she told herself. But her legs wouldn’t stop trembling as the WindClan cat advanced, his whiskers twitching as he unsheathed his claws. 'Hawkheart!' A voice rang across the clearing. Bluepaw recognized Heatherstar, the leader of WindClan. She was at the center of the fighting, with fur bristling and blue eyes wide. Her fierce gaze was fixed on the gray-flecked warrior. 'Get back to tending the injured like you’re supposed to!' she ordered. Hawkheart snarled at Bluepaw. 'Looks like you’re going to have to wait a little longer for your first battle scar,' he sneered before turning away." — Bluestar’s Prophecy, Chapter 9 (broken up for readability) Hawkheart was 100% willing to attack and maim an apprentice that he noted as a kit. As I said earlier, ruthlessness is a key component in battle. If Hawkheart was willing to "fight" a very young apprentice, and killed Moonflower along with flinging her multiple times, what's stopping him from maiming Mudfur? Hawkheart has displayed that he doesn't show restraint, even after being ordered by his leader to heal cats and not fight. He is also described in Pinestar's Choice as "lashing his tail as if waiting for prey" when Moonflower enters the medicine den. He has no qualms about killing even after being told otherwise. He taunted Bluepaw after murdering her mother. He has no regret over this, and justifies his actions as defending the medicine den, even though AGAIN, self-defense was out the window when Moonflower was retreating without his interference. TLDR; Hawkheart wins (imo)
Medical Mayhem - Mudfur vs. Hawkheart
Two toms- ex-warriors turned medicine cats- but only one winner...
#part 2/2#hawkheart#mudfur#warrior cats#had to do my duty as a Hawkheart lover#I hate how they never elaborated on StarClan calling him to be a medcat#and how they made him nicer in other books#“Hopkit was softening him up-” FUCK YOU AND FUCK THAT KID (affectionately I like deadfoot (and you :3)) 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️#HOPKIT AIN'T SPECIAL HAWKHEART WAS WILLING TO MURDER CHILDREN 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️#tallstar's revenge Hawkheart (every Hawkheart besides Bluestar's Prophecy actually) was far too nice#he should've been a meaner jayfeather to his Clan and a literal demon to everyone else#Vicky originally said that Hawkheart went to the dark forest iirc so#KEEP HIS ASS THERE HE'S THE CLOSEST WE GOT TO AN EVIL MEDCAT#he'd call breezyp fatherless if he lived that long#you can't even use the “books were released in different orders” excuse to excuse the fact that hawkheart was butchered#Bluestar's Prophecy (2009) was released before Tallstar's Revenge (2013)#Yellowfang's Secret (2012)#And Goosefeather's Curse (2015)#HE SHOWED NO SIGNS OF CHANGING WHY DID HE CHANGE. they could've made him less physically aggressive if they wanted change but NO#I promise I am not as irritated about this as you might think I am lol. He keeps his shittiness in my au#he's not evil though he gets nuance. he didn't WANT to be a medcat and he had kits to defy StarClan#and he loved those kits and loves his clanmates even if he's constantly rude and aggressive and easily irritable#and even his love is kinda... ish. he has a strictly professional relationship w/ Heatherstar because they argue so much#and yet he listens to her anyway. he's never hands on or there with his children but he protects them anyway#he goes out of his way to convince Heatherstar to not exile his children (if they're halfclan). he isn't surprised when he goes to the df#he never tried to atone and he never will. fuck StarClan. he's so “violent” and yet Tigerstar and Brokenstar were allowed to be born#I have to make a separate post about him
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I know this was a while ago (and I obviously know that Hawkheart won the poll), but I just want to say that I personally believe that Hawkheart would win in a fight between the two of them. Consider this me just throwing my two cents out there. Firstly, morals. Hawkheart has little regard for the warrior code during a battle. During his fight with Moonflower, he managed to break TWO codes in one go, the Warrior Code and the Medicine Cat Code* Rule 13: The word of the Clan leader is the warrior code. Heatherstar told Hawkheart to heal cats when he was threatening Bluepaw. He later broke this rule by attacking Moonflower. Note that prior to Hawkheart's interference, she and Stonepelt were already fleeing being chased by unnamed WindClan warriors. Hawkheart had no reason to attack at this point. Rule 14: An honorable warrior does not need to kill other cats to win their battles, unless they are outside the warrior code or if it is necessary for self-defense. One could argue that Hawkheart was defending the medicine den, but any notion of defense went out the window when Moonflower was fleeing and he still proceeded to pursue and kill her. Moonflower, as a ThunderClan warrior, is also not outside of the code. *The medcat code is extremely vague outside of the no mates/kits rule. You have to basically analyze the books to even get an idea. One of my ideas is that medcats are supposed to stand aside during disputes, and again, this is just my interpretation from the fact that we see medcats do more healing than fighting (as expected). Take this point with a grain of salt. Mudfur, from what we've seen, is willing to follow the code during a battle, as seen in his duel with Adderfang. Mudfur didn't kill him, he pinned him down until he submitted. He's described as being able to hold down a warrior underwater... but theoretically, any cat could do that. Hailstar did it. Darktail and Sleekwhisker technically did it. This also might have happened in Star. Mudfur did beat Adderfang, who was one of ThunderClan's strongest warriors at the time, and Mudfur is often painted as RiverClan's strongest (I'm pretty sure it was outright said) at one point, but I feel like a lot of people forget that Hawkheart was described as "WindClan's fiercest warrior" by Swiftbreeze, and this is proven in ThunderClan vs WindClan, specifically the battle where Moonflower died. Before I get into this, a little reminder that Hawkheart, a violent warrior, was called by StarClan to be a medicine cat. Why is never really explained, but the most common interpretation is that Hawkheart was too violent. Mudfur chose to become a medicine cat. Ruthlessness is a key component in battle. If you hesitate, you die, or get injured. Especially if your opponent doesn't follow any clear code. Hawkheart can take blows without faltering: "A screech rang from inside the den and Stonepelt hurtled out, blood pumping from a gash in his shoulder and a WindClan warrior slashing at his tail. Then came Moonflower, pursued by another warrior; her gray fur was streaked and specked with torn herbs. Bluepaw froze. As Moonflower exploded from the den, Hawkheart lunged at her and snatched her up with his powerful front paws, then flung her like prey across the clearing. Bluepaw saw the shock on her mother’s face as she landed hard and struggled to find her feet. But she wasn’t fast enough. Hawkheart pounced on her, ripping with his teeth and claws. […] Bluepaw gasped as her mother wrenched herself from Hawkheart and landed a searing blow on his muzzle. But the medicine cat didn’t even stumble. Instead he lunged again and, grabbing Moonflower by the throat, sent her skidding across the blood-slicked clearing." — Bluestar’s Prophecy, Chapter 9 The fact that the blow was described as "searing" shows that Moonflower didn't swat at him like a kitten, she was fighting. She landed a solid blow on his muzzle, and we've seen that being attacked on the muzzle commonly deters a warrior from further fighting.
And may I mention this part of the passage: "A screech rang from inside of the den and Stonepelt hurtled out, blood pumping from a gash in his shoulder and a WindClan warrior slashing at his tail."A lot of people accept this as Hawkheart. I personally don't, but I'll use both "this is Hawkheart" and "this isn't Hawkheart." For "this is Hawkheart,"
I hope you know Stonepelt had to retire early because of this injury. So not only did Hawkheart kill Moonflower, but if you use this unnamed warrior as Hawkheart, he also caused Stonepelt to retire early. So Hawkheart basically took out two ThunderClan cats, he just killed one of them. If we look at what the cats say of him and how "he was unusually strong for medicine cat" and how he trained has a warrior, he would be fully aware of how much force it would take for a cat to die. Again, if this unnamed warrior is Hawkheart, he only injured Stonepelt to the point of retirement, which shows he knows how to not kill a cat, he just fights for blood. And, again, if you don't accept this unnamed warrior as Hawkheart (I personally don't), it doesn't erase the fact that Hawkheart flung Moonflower. Chucked her, tossed her. He "flung her like prey." When have you EVER heard of Mudfur throwing someone, much less "across a clearing"?
Medical Mayhem - Mudfur vs. Hawkheart
Two toms- ex-warriors turned medicine cats- but only one winner...
#part 1/2#hawkheart#mudfur#warrior cats#I could ramble forever#I initially got an error bc my post was too long
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hawkheart they could never make me hate you
If i was hawkheart I'd look at bluepaw and go WAAAA WAAAA your mummy died?? Mummy dead??? Mummy no more?? WAAA WAAAAAAA.
If you attack my family in the middle of the night unprovoked and crush up all my fucking benadryl I won't be nice to you just because you still have a soft spot on your skull. BOOOO HOOOO
#“he murdered moonflower” it was self defense I promise#if someone crushed my ibuprofen because of a dead rodent you're dying#my headaches kill me mentally dude that's like psychological torture#“mummy no more” LMFAO#hawkheart#warrior cats
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i couldn't fit my thoughts into a Tumblr post so I shoved them into a google doc i don't understand Tumblr's obsession with uploading my pictures out of order but whatever you're smart enough to figure it out :)
#this isn't the end of it i promise you I have so much more thoughts on this#warrior cats#fallowtail#reedfeather doesn't have a tag#the books like to paint Willow and Gray as a form of “traumatized” from their time in WindClan#they didn't even seem to mind being in WindClan. they just may not have liked it and weren't given time to adjust#and you're telling me Heatherstar barely did anything about the raid? you're telling me the kits didn't even wonder about daddy?#not when their dad was the well known deputy of WindClan?they never even had a single thought unprompted about it? okay#i have thoughts on this topic that i needed to share#graypool#willowbreeze#the timeline is tight around Gray and Willow's birth and them being stolen iirc#why#god I hate this#this may be worded poorly I was ranting#I just wish the entire thing was done more interesting
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i have decided to make the two cats Splashkit witnesses fighting Rushtooth and this fella:
Rushtooth was apparently part of RiverClan at one point, and I may give them descendants. If these descendants are dead by the time of ASC, then it kind of gives them a reason to haunt RiverClan's camp and for Splashtail to see them around. Oddly enough, I'm thinking Mosspelt/Turtlestalk (AU name). Mosspelt's sister in canon is Emberdawn (not Silverhawk's mate), and they have no listed parents; not one is mentioned nor is shown on the family tree.
That long ass vertical line is not linking Emberdawn and Mosspelt to a parent, it's actually Reedfeather (and Fallowtail) connecting to Graypool and Willowbreeze lmfao
Also, Mosspelt is apparently a brown tortie (according to the tree), but I actually like the wiki's muted depiction of Mosspelt
So that's what she looks like in the AU, perhaps a bit more gray instead of brown. And even if Mosspelt stays unlinked to Rushtooth, that other Emberdawn is still completely free to use. She only appears in Leopardstar's Honor, and most people I see didn't even know Mosspelt had a sister. This also allows me to clear the tree a bit. Even though Emberdawn never had kits, if I just gave her ancestry to Rushtooth and gave her some kits in the larger RiverClan tree, it would mean more fresh blood to use. Some examples of other RC warriors without familial links are Swallowtail, Rainstorm, Pinefur, Otterheart, etc. None of these characters might be Emberdawn's kits, we'll see. Some of them might live to ASC, be her parents, so on so forth. And there's also those kits that existed to die.
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I sob internally whenever I think about this.
#whitestorm#bluestar#tragic families my beloved#AUGHHHHHH#warrior cats#Imagine if Whitestorm was the only one who could bring bluestar prey.#Imagine when Lostface was named and Whitestorm was the only cat who could talk to Bluestar about how cruel it was without her snapping.#Imagine if she didn't listen and dismissed him. Imagine how he felt knowing his aunt/foster mother was wasting away in front of him.#Imagine if Bluestar sometimes lashed out at him because Thistleclaw is his father only for her to immediately regret it.#Imagine if Bluestar called Whitestorm to her den to groom him and tell him everything is going to be okay like she did with Snowfur.#Imagine how Whitestorm must've felt with Bluestar condemning StarClan while he still believed in them.#Imagine if Bluestar told Whitestorm that StarClan turned their backs on them and cursed them unaware she was making him uncomfortable.#Imagine how happy Bluestar must've been when Fernkit Ashkit Elderkit and Tulipkit were born.#Imagine how Whitestorm felt watching her turn and snap on the only surviving two of the litter and still treat him lovingly.#Imagine if Whitestorm was there when Bluestar was reconciling with Mistyfoot and Stonefur.#Imagine how both of them felt when they had to say goodbye. They knew it wouldn't be okay.#But Bluestar had her kits beside her and Whitestorm had his aunt. So it was okay. They both knew this as Bluestar closed her eyes.
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rated rainworld scugs. NOT based on gameplay bc im a broke bitch who can't afford downpour and has played the base game 2million times christmas please let downpour go on sale
#rain world#rain world downpour#if your favorite isn't saint you're subjectively wrong#excluding inv here bc they aren't canon unfortunately
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