#you know cause of the panphobia

[dazeddoodles]

Hate to bring this up, but you know that L*nter stan that accused Dana of "stealing" from other shows? Well, they also accused Dana of "stealing" from AtLA.

This is actually kinda funny in a pathetic way because last time I pointed out how Avatar did a lot of the tropes before all the shows they listed, so by that logic they ALL copied Avatar.

And said jokingly that they must not have watched Avatar because then they could have said Hunter is a ripoff of Zuko. Then they turned around and immediately did that.

The Lunter Stan stole from ME 🤬

Didn't expect the Lunter comparison to Zutara though. But that's because it's fucking stupid. Their dynamics are literally nothing alike, if anything Luz's attitude toward Hunter is the exact opposite of Katara's toward Zuko. Oh but the only reason Dana would make a brown female character is because she's actually copying another show.

The only thing they have alike is the bare-bones concept of the main girl and the redeemed villain guy. And if you genuinely think these two ships are the same that just tells me you don't give a fuck about either these brown girls or their characters, you just see them as blank slates to "fix" your uwu bad broken baby.

In every single one of those examples, the context is completely different and is literally just them standing in slightly similar poses. But ESPECIALLY THIS ONE???

Not only is it the opposite characters they're claiming are the same. But have you actually watched either show and know the context of either of these? In the first one Katara is threatening Zuko. In the second Hunter is telling Luz they need to fight back against Belos.

This whole thing is just "Dana stole from this other show because her show has a ship I'm mad didn't get together and this show ALSO has a ship I'm mad didn't get together!!!"

[posi-pan]

Hey! So I have a question that I’m hoping you or your followers can maybe answer for me.

I really want to try watching (and eventually reading) Heartstopper. I think it looks adorable and cute, and I love seeing queer media that treats their queer characters nicely (and like normal people, not weird outliers) and doesn’t just trauma dump on them.

But here’s where my question comes in: is it a safe series for a pansexual girl?? I know very little about it except that it’s generally considered to be fairly good queer rep for a lot of different people… so I’m wondering if pan folks are included in that? (Not meaning characters have to be pan; I just want to know if it’s inclusive of us as existing a whole.)

I’ve tried to look around myself but I honestly couldn’t find any information :/ and tbh, I feel kinda stupid for asking at all instead of just diving into it, but I’ve tried out queer media before only to have it invalidate pan people or toss in casual panphobia (cause that’s accepted, of course) and I just… I’m honestly tired of it. So I’d rather know ahead of time and avoid it altogether than start it and stop if it’s not truly inclusive :(

don't feel bad about asking about these things! it's totally normal and valid to want to know. heartstopper happens to be one of my all time favs (both the graphic novels and tv show) and there isn't any panphobia. there's no pan rep (well, technically michael from solitaire, who is canon pan, makes an appearance in one of the books) and as far as i remember pan isn't mentioned for there to be anything ignorant said about it. and i personally don't take pan not mentioned or like given a shoutout or something as a bad thing, because alice oseman does have three canon pan characters in other books. so it's not like a pan erasure or not accepting/supporting pan kind of thing. i hope this helps! and if you decide to watch/read, i hope you enjoy it!! it's truly deserving of the hype. it's just a genuinely heartwarming, feel good series.

[twinsoftriumph]

(You do not need to answer this ask if you're not comfortable with it)

I am someone who followed you before you went on that huge hiatus back in 2020, I was a huge fan of your art because I loved the twins A Lot (still do to an extent), and your art style and interpretation of them was quite literally perfect. However, said hiatus started right as some individuals in skyblr were called out for holding some shitty opinions about queer discourse (Panphobia and aspec-exclusionism in specific) and these individuals were people you also associated it.

I do not want to seem entitled to know about this information, and I absolutely do not want to cause drama (which is why I'm sending an ask instead of making a post). It's just that finding out that you associated with these people and kept silent about it as they were called out for their harmful views was just...dissappointing.

I reiterate you do not need to answer this ask if you dont want to — I just want to know if you do not hold these same views or associate with people who do? At least as an aspec person I do not feel comfortable with following or interacting with someone who does, but also I am just a stranger on the internet 👍

Regardless of anything, I hope you have a good day/night

hope you don't mind me putting this under a read more since i wanted to give a decently thorough answer to this!

hello! i appreciate you sending an ask about this, and i don't have a problem with answering it. (also, thank you for enjoying my art!)

i will say up front that no, i am not any sort of exclusionist. i want to make this extremely clear right off the bat. i myself am actually on the ace spectrum, if it's any sort of comfort! but i've literally only ever explicitly stated this to like. two people. so i wouldn't fault you for not knowing (also i genuinely don't remember anything about ace exclusion stuff being part of the discourse?)

if you're asking for clarification on why my inactivity started around the same time as the discourse, it was for mental health reasons unrelated to the blog. i won't get into specifics but it involved stuff like dropping out and having to go to therapy (doing better now though). this was something that was building up for a while and i genuinely have no idea how i managed the amount of activity i did when first starting the blog LMAO. i was also fed up with some sky-specific problems.

i know the point of your ask is to ask about my own views, but if it's of any interest to you, in 2021, the main person involved publicly and privately apologized and said she doesn't hold her old views. thus, OP of the blocklist deleted it.

i do understand that at the very least, some affirmation for my mutuals, followers, friends and general audience at the time would have been valued; i do apologize for not saying anything at the time! i hope my words now can at least ease any feelings of uncertainty anyone may have toward me, but it's very much up to the individual.

ultimately, i do not find value in making assumptions about one's label, including the circumstances in which it was chosen, an individual's feelings toward their own label, that sort of thing! so again, i am not an exclusionist, and i want my blog to be a safe space. i've been hoping to clarify this but wasn't sure when or how i should do it, so i hope this suffices. you have a good one as well :)

[yandereocs]

MORE PHOBIAS CUZ I SAID SO 👹👹👹

Acerophobia

(Fear of sourness)

Allodoxaphobia

(Fear of opinions)

Amaxophobia

(Fear of being in a car)

Ambulophobia

(Fear of walking)

Acousticophobia

(Fear of noise)

Amychophobia

(Fear of being scratched)

Anablephobia

(Fear of looking up)

Apeirophobia

(Fear of infinity)

Asthenophobia

(Fear of fainting)

Automysophobia

(Fear of being dirty)

Agraphobia

(fear of sexual abuse)

This is because of Elijah 💀

Bromidrosiphobia

(Fear of body smells)

Botanophobia

(Fear of plants)

Cacophobia

(Fear of ugliness)

Catapedaphobia

(Fear of jumping)

Cathisophobia

(Fear of sitting)

Chirophobia

(Fear of hands)

Chronomentrophobia

(Fear of clocks)

Cleisiophobia

( Fear of being locked in a space that is enclosed)

Clinophobia

(Fear of beds or going to bed)

Crystallophobia

(Fear of crystals or glass)

Cynophobia

(Fear of dogs)

Amathophobia

(fear of dust)

Androphobia

(fear of adult men)

Aurophobia

(fear of gold)

Batophobia

(fear of heights or being close to high buildings)

Catapedaphobia

(Fear of jumping from high and low places)

Christianophobia

(fear of Christians)

Cleptophobia

(fear of stealing)

Clinophobia

(fear of going to bed)

Dinophobia

(fear of dizziness or whirlpools)

Dipsophobia

(fear of drinking)

Disposophobia

( fear of throwing stuff out)

Domatophobia

( fear of houses)

Dysmorphophobia

(fear of a real or imaginary body defect)

Doraphobia

(Fear of fur or skins of animals)

Enetophobia

( fear of pins)

Enosiophobia

( fear of having committed an unpardonable sin or of criticism)

Eleutherophobia

( fear of freedom)

Epistaxiophobia

( fear of nosebleeds)

Epistemophobia

(fear of knowledge)

Erotophobia

(fear of sexual love or sexual abuse)

I know that sexual content is not allowed here but I decided to add it because of Elijah 😀

Ereuthrophobia

(fear of blushing)

Fibriophobia

(fear of fever)

Frigophobia

( fear of cold or cold things)

Genuphobia

(fear of knees or the act of kneeling)

Genophobia

(fear of sexual intercourse)

Blame Elijah 😭

Gynophobia

( fear of adult women)

Gnosiophobia

(fear of knowledge)

Geumophobia

(fear of taste)

Hagiophobia

(fear of saints or holy things)

Hamartophobia

(fear of sinning)

Heliophobia

(Fear of sunlight)

Hormephobia

(Fear of shock)

Hydrophobophobia

(fear of rabies)

Hygrophobia

(fear of liquids, dampness, or moisture)

Hypegiaphobia

(fear of responsibility)

Cardiophobia

( fear of the heart)

Cenophobia

( fear of new things or ideas)

Dextrophobia

(Fear of objects on the right side of the body)

Doraphobia

( fear of fur or skins of animals)

Hierophobia

(Fear of priests or sacred things)

Hobophobia

(fear of bums or beggars)

Hodophobia

(fear of travel)

Hormephobia

(fear of shock)

Kainophobia

(fear of anything new, novelty)

Kathisophobia

(fear of sitting down)

Kinetophobia

( fear of movement or motion)

Mageiricophobia

(fear of cooking)

Malaxophobia

(Fear of love play)

Masklophobia

(fear of people in masks, costumes, and mascots)

Mastigophobia

( fear of punishment)

Methyphobia

(Fear of alcohol)

Mnemophobia

(fear of memories)

Microphobia

(fear of small things)

Monophobia

(fear of being alone or isolated or of one’s self)

Mysophobia

( fear of being contaminated with dirt or germs)

Oneirophobia

(fear of dreams)

Onomatophobia

(fear of hearing a certain word or names)

Optophobia

( fear of opening one’s eyes)

Panphobia

(fear of everything or the constant fear of an unknown cause)

Paralipophobia

( fear of neglecting duty or responsibility)

Peccatophobia

(fear of sinning or imaginary crimes)

Phagophobia

(fear of swallowing)

I will be sending more soon

My hands hurts 😭

Yandere harem is probably regretting everything they have done to darling

-⭐

* I love how every sexual phobia is because of Elijah and no one else. Because that is SO TRUE THAT MAN IS TERRIBLE

* And I'm sorry Darling you just have to like

* Die bro you physically CANNOT EXIST WITHOUT PANICKING OVER EVERYTHING

* SWALLOWING?? DARLING HOW ARE YOU GONNA EAT NOOO

* BRO CAN'T EVEN WAKE UP IN THE MORNING WITHOUT PANICKING CAUSE THEY OPENED THEIR EYES

[stimmyvillain]

I sure do hope that mutuals understand from now on that if you think pansexuality is transphobic or biphobic then you’re dead to me 🥰

[stimmyvillainarchive]

I just realized I blocked an old friend of mine cause I wasn’t paying attention to their url but they’ve been reblogging from panphobic and aphobic people and I’m just :)))))))))))

[anaalnathrakhs]

nothing like seeing a random funny post from an user literally named panphobe reblogged by people you follow :) could you at least pretend to care :)

[miraculouslumination]

There's a lot with panphobia that is just so fundamentally, historically, and accurately wrong. It's much like all other types of exclusionism; it's petty, pointless, has no credible foundation, ahistorical, and all it's good for is traumatizing, slandering, and ostracizing a group of queer people. It's no different from ace and aro exclusion, or bi exclusion, nonbinary, xenogender, MOGAI, mspec lesbian, any other type of exclusion.

Yet I've noticed it may be one of the most prevalent in online spaces. Of course, so is general mspecphobia. Fandom spaces are notoriously hostile towards mspec people. Bi ships and characters are tossed and written off as homophobic, pan ships and characters are erased, omni and ply are completely ignored and forgotten about, and so on.

But even just regular spaces, I have seen time and time again people showcasing panphobia. Entire posts dedicated to "proving" how pan is biphobic and transphobic, with often thousands or tens of thousands of notes. And I rarely see anyone question it. I rarely see a post discrediting these claims get as many notes.

Exclusionism in online queer spaces is often loud and violent. Asexual people got threats of all kinds, bi people got screamed at that they weren't welcome, aromantic people were told they were narcissistic sociopaths that should be locked away, etc. etc.

Pan exclusionism has its moments of being loud and violent. But that was back when the discourse was in its prime. Nowadays, panphobes are quieter, but much like how a predator stalking its prey is silent on its feet.

Panphobes love dogwhistles and strawmans. And I feel this is a strategy done on purpose. Because, with dogwhistles and strawmans, it becomes a guessing game for the victim(s). They end up having to comb through every word, every meaning it could have, find out what the intentions are, and more.

That way, when the person does find something, and does call attention to it, there's a mighty fine chance that they'll be attacked for it. I know this term has been thrown around a lot, but I really do feel like these reactions can lead to an accidental, or even purposeful, gaslighting.

"They didn't REALLY mean to be panphobic", "well *I* read the post and I didn't see *any* panphobia, so you're wrong", "are you going to say that EVERYTHING is panphobia?", "You don't actually know what panphobia looks like", "you're just trying to slander bi people", and so on, and so on.

I also feel like there's a sense of evil in the fact that, more times than not, the perpetuators of panphobia are bi people. Note that this is a minority in the bi community, and that, historically speaking, the bi community has largely been accepting of other mspec labels more many, many decades now. Once again, this just proves that panphobia is founded in ahistorical nonsense. Now, historically speaking, as well, bi people have a lengthy history of being excluded, ignored, erased, ostracized, slandered, and more. And I feel, in a way, that for some bi panphobes, it genuinely feels like they are punching up. Fighting back against their real oppressors - the true cause for why people are biphobic!! When, really, they are punching to the side. And, really, their true oppressors continue to stand aside and laugh.

There's a large trauma held in the bi community. And it's one that needs to be addressed and healed. However, turning to exclusionism - taking upon the same, abusive role of your own abusers - is not the way to do it. Queer people cannot oppress one another.

Ultimately, all of this panphobia eventually does turn around in a 180, and returns to biphobia. And, much like how panphobia has become much quieter, more dogwhistled, and much more covert, so has the biphobia in it.

When a bi panphobe says "bi ONLY means being attracted to all genders", they are hurting bi people who do not want nor identify with that definition. Of course, some panphobes will try to back track and try to correct themselves, saying that "well, okay, bi CAN mean being attracted to all genders.." But, more often than not, they will just keep swinging. Even if they end up hitting one of their own.

Not only that, but the argument of "pansexuality only encourages people to continue having negative ideas about bisexuality!" Such as "pan makes bi people think we're all just a bunch of heartless sluts!" Yes, this is an actual argument I have seen many times. But, this is where they end up hurting their own. Because it implies that any bi person who is sexually promiscuous and does not partake in romantic relationships (whether it be because they're arospec, loveless, or whatever reason) is the wrong type of bi - that they're going to be giving the bi community a bad rep. That the only good bi is someone who is willing to be dedicated to romance (oof that arophobia) and who doesn't sleep around a lot (oof that sex puritanism).

Another is "pan will make people think bi is binary!" When there is an issue in the bi community of fellow bi people insisting that bi is only binary. It may be a minority in the bi community, but it is still there. There are bi people who will harp about how bi should only be binary. And, besides, so what if there are only bi people are attracted to the "binary" genders? As long as they aren't transphobic or enbyphobic or anything like that, but instead only find themselves attracted to men and women, what is so wrong about that? Are they going to be sending the message that bi is binary? Are they being biphobic? Are we still arguing that bi means all and ONLY means all? And, hell, what about bi people who ARE only attracted to two genders? Not even binary ones - say, a bi person who only likes women and nonbinary people? Or a bi person who only likes nonbinary and xenogender people? Are these people going to trick non-bi people into thinking bi only means two?

“Pan people keep trying to redefine bi/rewrite our history!” Yes, there are some pan people who try to instill one and only one definition of bi. However, there are countless other people of countless other sexualities that do this. Including bi people! Once again, the push for “bi has ALWAYS and ONLY means attraction to all genders” is ahistorical and inaccurate. Bi has not always meant that. And not every bi person has described or defined themselves as such. Change in definitions is common and natural, especially as our language and world evolves around us. However, to say bi has always been so and always will be so is false. Because bisexuality is flexible and diverse and its own color spectrum - bisexuality and its definitions cannot be put into a box of “only” and “always”, because that would mean all other ways of defining bisexuality is wrong, inaccurate, and biphobic. The only thing that can be said true of an “always” within the bi community is that, historically, they have stood by the sides of fellow mspecs. And they stood strong with us, as we did with them. The bi community has always accepted other mspec labels. Any panphobe or anti-mspec individual who says so is, guess what, rewriting bi history.

Also, not only that, but panphobes are notorious for trudging up old definitions of pansexuality as a “gotcha”, and also constantly erase and ignore pansexual history. Anytime I see someone say that pansexuality was born in the 2000s/2010s as a way to make a more Woke Bi, it feels like my head is being slammed into a wall. Anytime I see a panphobe say “learn bi history!!!!! ACTUAL bi history!!!!” as a panphobe recruitment tactic, I feel my heart drop. Anytime I see people talk about how pansexuality was born out of biphobia or a misunderstanding of bisexuality or formed by transphobia, I roll my eyes.

I really could go on, but I think I’ve said what needs to be said. Panphobia is rampant and has been unchecked for a while now. Panphobes know to blow their whistles at a frequency where you have to either train yourself to hear it or be traumatized/educated enough to already know it. All claims of pansexuality’s “true nature” are not founded in any credibility, and are, more often than not, far more harmful to bi and trans people than anyone else. I’ve encountered many a radfem, terf, and more that are self admitted “panphobes”. Panphobia hurts everyone, and helps no one. Not bi people, not trans people, no one.

There is no “good” or “right” way to be panphobic. Whether you’re an outright panphobe or are one of those “I don’t hate pan people!! I just want them to know their history is Bad and Messy and that their label Makes Me Upset and is redundant and that I actually hate them but I don’t!! But I do” panphobes a.k.a “I love the sinner, and hate the sin!” 2.0., it doesn’t matter. You are still hurting a group of people who are just trying to mind their business, and MORE. If you’re panphobic, then you’re a pebble’s throw away from being biphobic and transphobic. Yes!! Even if you are bi and/or trans! If that makes you upset, then suck it up and spit out the kool-aid. And, most importantly:

Educate yourself

[whatdoyouwanttobecalled-1]

I've been seeing a lot of posts about this all over social media, and while the majority of them are fine and just people expressing their opinions, a lot of people from both sides of the argument have been saying some really inexcusable stuff (such as telling people on the opposing side to off themselves, etc) and it's really pissing me off. Pls everyone idc if you agree w me or not but at least try to be mature and respectful when engaging in these conversations bc the goal is learning, understanding, tolerance, and cooperation (working together to find solutions to problems that will benefit all of us). So here's my stance on the issue, and feel free to reply, ask questions, or dm me and start a conversation regardless of your veiws. Just be nice! Here's my opinions, based off my own personal experience:

To start off: pansexuality is not inherently biphobic and/or transphobic

Yes, there are pansexuals who are biphobic, and yes they harm the transgender community in that sense. This is because generally pansexuals who are biphobic say they bisexuals are transphobic and essentially invalidate binary trans people's identity as a man or woman by saying that bisexuals are only attracted to cis men and cis women, not trans people. However, the majority of pansexual people do not think this way. Personally (and most of the pansexuals as talked to agree w me), I do not believe that bisexuality is transphobic. Why? Trans women are women, and trans men are men. If you will not date a trans person simply bc they are trans, then you're transphobic, but that has absolutely nothing to do w your sexuality. My own and most people's understanding of bisexuality (and the definition you get if you Google it, and the definition that most bisexuals will give you), is that bisexuality means attraction to 2 or more genders (which yes, could mean all), with a preference. With. A. Preference. I identified as bi to myself for years, and came out as bi for almost a year, never feeling as if the label fully fit me or that I was fully understood by the community bc there is always sm emphasis on the fact that bisexuals have a preference, while I never have. I don't think anyone is less than anyone else for having a preference, or better than anyone else for not having a preference. Pansexuality simply allows me to be apart of a smaller more specific community that fully understands my experience w attraction. I also know that bisexuality can be used as an umbrella term for anyone attracted to 2+ genders, but in the same way that it's not biphobic for lesbians to prefer to date other lesbians bc of their shared experience, I like having a smaller community that specifically experiences attraction in the same way that I do. I've also seen a lot of people talking about how people seem to think that bisexuals only care about sex, and that pansexuals think theyre better bc they're uwu innocent babies. I'm not entirely sure I'm not on the ace spectrum somewhere but lemme tell you that does not make me any less of a whore. No one is better than anyone else for how much or little they think about or enjoy sex.

2nd; bisexuality is not inherently transphobic.

Yes, there are bisexuals who are transphobic, but this is not the majority of the community. Most bi people consider trans women to be real women (which they are) and trans men to be real men (which they are). I will say it again; if you won't date someone just bc they're trans, you are transphobic, but that has nothing to do w your sexuality. As for non binary people, yes, bisexuality includes them too. Bisexuality is not inherently transphobic.

3rd; all mspec labels are fucking valid.

Whether you identify as bisexual, pansexual, omnisexual, or polysexual, you are valid. You can use bisexuality as an umbrella term if that's what you're most comfortable w, or if the definition perfectly describes your relationship w attraction then that's cool too. If you feel that pansexuality, omnisexuality, or polysexuality better describes you and you enjoy having a smaller more specific community to fully relate to, guess what, that's also cool. No one is better than anyone else, and while there are members of every community who feel that they are, they do not represent everyone.

4th; panphobia/omniphobia/polyphobia only comes from the mspec community, if it comes from outside, it's probably biphobia

Let me explain; there is no problem that comes from people who are not attracted to multiple genders that everyone on this spectrum doesn't face. Bisexuality is a spectrum that we all fall on, an umbrella term that we all fit under. This means that unless it's coming from a person or group on this spectrum, it's probably biphobia you're facing. There are 2 types of biphobia: the biphobia that comes from mspecs, and the biphobia that comes from people who aren't on the spectrum of bisexuality. The biphobia that comes from inside is only against people who identify as bisexual, and the biphobia that comes from outside is against anyone who is attracted to multiple genders. I'm not saying there aren't a few instances of people who arent mspec targeting a specific group and not every mspec identity, but most of the time, if it's from the outside, it's classified as biphobia, bc that includes all of us.

In conclusion, this is what the mspec sexualities are and some of my final thoughts;

Bisexuality = attraction to 2+ genders with or without a preference. It can be used as an umbrella term by the whole mspec community, or as a specific label on it's own. It includes trans and non binary people, and is not a transphobic label. There are transphobic bisexuals, but the fact that they are transphobic and the fact that they are bisexual are not related in any way. They are not more or less than any other mspec identity, or sexuality in general.

Pansexuality = attraction to all genders without a preference. It is not biphobic and/or transphobic. There are biphobic and/or transphobic pansexuals but the fact that they are biphobic and/or transphobic is not related to their pansexuality. Many people who identify as bisexual describe their attraction in the same way as pansexuals. This is 100% valid as bisexuality can be used as an umbrella term and the label you identify w is all about your comfort. They are not more or less than any other mspec identity or sexuality in general.

Omnisexuality = attraction to all genders w a preference. It is not biphobic and/or transphobic. There are biphobic and/or transphobic omnisexuals but the fact that they are biphobic and/or transphobic is not related to their omnisexuality. Many people who identify as bisexual describe their attraction in the same way as omnisexuals. This is 100% valid as bisexuality can be used as an umbrella term and the label you identify w is all about your comfort. They are not more or less than any other mspec identity or sexuality in general.

Polysexuality = attraction to more than 2, but not all genders. It is not biphobic and/or transphobic. There are biphobic and/or transphobic polysexuals but the fact that they are biphobic and/or transphobic is not related to their polysexuality. Many people who identify as bisexual describe their attraction in the same way as polysexuals. This is 100% valid as bisexuality can be used as an umbrella term and the label you identify w is all about your comfort. They are not more or less than any other mspec identity or sexuality in general.

Honestly, I think we all get enough hate from inside and outside the lgbtqia+ community and we need to stick together and have each others backs. It's not the microlabels that are causing problems, it's the exclusionists. Invalidating eo's experiences and saying that biphobia is a bigger problem, panphobia is a bigger problem, omniphobia is a bigger problem, or polyphobia is a bigger problem, isn't gonna help anyone or solve anything. We can have slightly different experiences and still relate and support eo. Also, even if you have a problem w a specific label, pls just ask your questions genuinely, and try to understand the opposing side. Just have a mature conversation. If you're too young or immature to do that then you probably shouldn't be on social media. Calling eo names and telling eo to off ourselves isn't helping anything and there is no excuse for it. I've always loved the lgbtqia+ community for it's love and acceptance, but the more active I become within the community itself, the more I realise how toxic it can be. Sometimes I'm genuinely embarrassed to part of this community. Especially when it's grown adults acting like children that is causing the problems. Pls do better. Thank you for your time, thank you for reading, I love you, have a nice day!!!

Also I just want to add that ik there are more mspec identities than this, and you're all so valid. These are just the sexualities that ik enough about to give a proper statement on and the ones I've seen mentioned in this discourse the most. I'm actively trying to learn more about the mspec identities I mentioned, and those that I didn't. Pls feel free to give me any info on any sexuality (doesn't even have to be mspec I just want to learn more so I can be good ally for everyone), or ask me any questions about my own sexuality, and pls let me know if there is anything I should add or any misinformation in this post (I will not be including blatant blankphobia against any mspec identity so don't even try it bitches)

[cheerpuppy14]

Hey! Op, I want you to know that your feelings are fully valid. As a bi man with a pan bf, I fully understand where you're coming from. Doesn't help that a lot of people don't know the difference between pansexual and bisexual which cause people to throw them in the same pot. The best way to remember the difference (for people who are confused about bi/pan) is that, bisexual people can have leans/Likes more than one/two genders while pansexual just means you like all and have no real lean. Once again, you're fully valid in your feelings. I and my bf wish you a lovely day. Stay strong out there! - Two big fans.

Thank you! That was my fault at the start because I didn't know the difference, and was just assuming stuff (also because there's a lot of panphobia in the bi community so I just believed everything they said)

But I educated myself since and know the differences now ^^

Thank you for this ask, so I can share it so people get educated

[pan-cakez]

I saw something that made me deeply uncomfortable and I wanna make 1 thing crystal fucking clear. Panphobia of any kind is not tolerated. I'm angry because I saw a post regarding the bisexual manifesto that not only is OP proud of their panphobia, but half of the comments and reblogs were agreeing with that mindset. So it's time for me to educate you all.

Bisexuality and Pansexuality are interchangeable. The moment you are attracted to more than one gender, you are bisexual. You don't have to be attracted to all of them, but you are bisexual. And there are names for that spectrum of attraction, but you could be simultaneously both pan and bi. Or poly and bi.

Here is a diagram from GLAAD regarding the bisexual umbrella. Never does it deny that any of the groups are bisexual.

And I know that some definitions of pansexuality infer that bisexuality is inherently transphobic which is false. But rather than informing people about that discrepancy, people have moved towards "Pansexuality is inherently biphobic" which is literally the worst take. I saw people state that the transphobic misinterpretation of bisexuality was caused by bad faith actors to split the community. So why continue that schism with panphobia???

I'm sorry that this may come off as rambling but I'm tired of seeing people spit on Pansexuality in the name of bisexuality. These are sister sexualities, if not parent and child. Pansexuality and Bisexuality are deeply intertwined and we need to start calling out panphobia that's moonlighting as actually good posts discussing biphobia/bisexuality.

[izzyliker]

Hey, asking you this as nicely as I can but can you give the immediate victim blaming a break. The absolute lack of respect you have for the people tmc abused is genuinely disheartening. Yes, he’s a shitty person, you’re entitled to hate him but immediately going “well you should’ve seen it coming earlier lol we’ve been saying this” is just ASTONISHINGLY shortsighted and cruel. Have your opinions about him and the situation all you want I would just ask that you please keep it to yourself due to the many many people he’s hurt that are still on here and can see you disparaging them.

ok, that is not what i have been saying. "well you should've known" is not an accurate summary of my feelings on this matter but apologies if thats how it came across. i have been in an abusive relationship where the person did a lot of the same things and i, too, defended that person without considering how it impacted other people. i almost lost my best friend because of how i acted as a result of keeping him in my life while people around me kept telling me to get tf out. i know.

what i am is im frustrated and annoyed by how long people were willing to publicly and passionately defend this guy while apparently fully aware what kind of shit he was doing to other people, many of which is detailed in the callout itself, and how this is now being framed as news. before the document itself was published all me (or anyone) had to go off of was vague posts that amounted to a "callout trailer" and almost all of the information on it was shit that was 100% completely public knowledge. 20+ people being aware of all that goddamn stuff and not one of them publicly stopping associating with him is frustrating. it comes across as spineless and yes, like one anon told GD, gaslighty (although i have my own issues with this being used on a large scale instead of in interpersonal relationships but i understand where they were coming from). his lesbophobia, transphobia (strange that none of the transphobia towards trans men was mentioned?), and panphobia/aphobia/biphobia were widely documented and seeing that on a callout post as if it were news was extremely tiring.

ive since read the callout. the interpersonal actions seem to have been horrible but sadly im not surprised (by which i dont mean "and neither should you" but rather. my spidey senses for this sort of behavior are pretty accurate most of the time and i did see this coming. this isnt me saying im Better than these people or that they shouldve as well but rather that i have learned to identify people of this genre.) by any of them.

also im 75% sure this is tumblr user GD. hello. if not then apologies, its just that the typing here is very similar. if it is, i think you trying to both take accountability for this and process whatever it is youre processing at the same time on tumblr is a bad idea and going to just lead to people feeling hurt and betrayed because while i truly do see where the reaction is coming from (like, truly, i understand, believe me), if you say "i take responsibility for how i acted while being manipulated" but then when people voice their negative feelings you tell them theyre victim blaming you it is going to reflect poorly on you. i dont think you understand how many people were absolutely hurt by the enabling you and your large, massively popular group of friends did for him, including the MASSIVE defense rant you typed up in defense of him when someone sent an ask to the bi jon event about him being panphobic and aphobic. whether its fair for people to expect you to immediately go into depth about it is questionable but dont invite people to do this when you obviously cannot handle it (i dont mean this in a bad way like "oh you should handle it". i mean genuinely this is how you get burnt out and possibly worsen possible future trauma. by trying to immediately placate people without having the mental resources to do so.)

i think the "we dont condone these views and never did!" without ever specifying what they were or doing any other work there is a lazy fucking cop-out. your circle was/is massively popular and a lot of people took all of you as authorities on stuff like headcanons and respectful portrayals of certain characters or identities to the point of accepting your meta as canon (something you havent really dissuaded ever), and associating publicly with someone who would constantly do this kind of shit and then defending him publicly while also positing yourself as an authority isnt something you can just "oops! we never agreed with him!" yourself out of. GD & TF specifically, you are massive blogs. you are babys first TMA blog. people in your askbox hurt and betrayed by this shit are not necessarily there to victim blame you. they are there because they trusted your word when they said "hey seraf reblogged anti pan and anti ace and weird transphobic posts" and you said "seraf is one of my dearest friends and would never do any of those things and im personally offended youd even imply that." i think you dont understand the real life consequences of the massively popular posts and sentiments he made & published and that you helped spread (despite apparently knowing that he was being a massive hypocrite and bigoted towards those groups or identities in his personal life). obviously interpersonal abuse/conflict is going to be "worse" but dear god i hope you collectively understand that "oh btw we never endorsed his views" is a massive copout and a shit apology for the hurt this association and endorsement caused. tmc has been terrorizing this fucking fandom for months with his bullshit and bigotry and you have not been passive bystandars but active enablers.

anyways, hope everyone involved gets to uh, heal i suppose, but i think expecting the people who seraf suicide baited, the groups of trans men he misgendered, the people who he targeted and harassed, the genuine fucking long lasting dysphoria he caused real people to have over his shitty takes re: transness and dysphoria, and the general shit behavior he was allowed to keep up with zero pushback from anyone in his circle of the fandom to drop all the anger or frustration they have for the people who enabled him and defended him aggressively is... unrealistic. and makes you look bad. especially when the doc doesnt even clarify which opinions you still support.

[posi-pan]

you wouldn't know when the bi flag color meanings got changed, would you? I think it's great that they were adjusted towards explicitly including nonbinary genders, but I can't figure out when it started or who started it (or if the purple stripe is "across the spectrum" or "attraction to 2 or more" or both/either?) cause everyone says "it always has been" and I understand the urge to retcon, but the original meanings are pretty easy to find. thanks so much (even if you don't know!). <3!

i don't know when that started. i personally only started seeing people say the flag meanings are different very recently.

it's funny, after i got this message, i saw a post on here that had like 80k+ notes about how the purple stripe on the bi flag has "always meant" "more genders" and that bi has "always meant" "more than one gender" and it's like.............y'all are SO disconnected from your own history. and op was a panphobe and the notes were full of panphobia (and some transphobia). shocker! /s

but the flag did not originally mean what people are saying it means (and "always meant") now. like you said, it's so easy to find what michael page made the flag to represent. and it's fine to want to update the language, as it was originally made in the '90s and that shows in the language used for the meaning, but that doesn't necessitate or justify erasing the history of it. or ever calling people biphobic for talking about the history of it (one of those pride flag threads on twitter had michael page's meaning and the tweet got spammed with people calling the op biphobic for it. guess respecting and honoring bi history comes with caveats).

my guess though for when this started happening or getting popular would have to be when it started to become popular to argue that bi has "always meant" one specific thing that it very clearly did not always mean. which very likely stems from panphobia, as it's usually panphobes who are spreading that lie. i don't know if these two things coincide, but it wouldn't surprise me if that's the case.

[intersexfairy]

I’ve seen so much panphobia that I’m just questioning my sexuality. the amount of times i've been told by the people in the lgbtq+ community that my sexuality is not valid and that i am just straight is too many to count. Pansexual visibility day was clearly not enough for everyone because I’m still not seeing people include us in posts or in discussions. i'm tired of this and i just want my sexuality and my fellow pansexuals to be seen and accepted.

I'm so sorry that there's so many people around you who are invalidating you. I understand how tiring that gets, and how it makes you doubt yourself. I wish there weren't so many exclusionists, especially online. You deserve to be proud and happy and secure in your sexuality, not driven to doubt by people who want to cause you hurt.

Please don't let them change how you see yourself, friend. I know it can be hard to figure out what you want with all the invalidation thrown at you, but the way you talk about pansexuality & your situation here shows it's what you want. Questioning your sexuality is valid, and feeling unsure about yourself in the face of invalidation is understandable too. But questioning should come from feelings on who we want to be, not from others telling us who we should be.

Being pan is valid, and wonderful, and real, and an important addition to the wonderful range of human identity and experience. And I for one accept you, and there are countless others who do too, even if you don't know them. I hope you're able to find a community where you're accepted that strengthens you against panphobia, and that things get better soon.

[arklayraven]

Before you continue: I'm making this post to inform people on some stuff, mainly for my reasons for making a carrd to inform people that Loki is bi/pan. This is NOT a invitation to debate with me at all over this all. Also don't bother trying to send hate to me. I'll just block you and move on. I'm not going to waste my energy replying to panphobic and bi/panphobic people.

With all this said...You can now continue.

~

Let's just say this now before I truly jump into a long post about this.

CHARACTERS AND PEOPLE WHO USE MULTIPLE LGBT+ LABELS DO EXIST AND ARE VALID.

Now to the real depth of this topic...

Panphobia and bi/panphobia, has been very active lately, especially on twitter I've noticed. That soon evolved to say any character who is labeled as pan(or pan too with bi) or bi/pan, is automatically 'biphobic'. Which honestly, is a lie, and just a excuse people use to be panphobic and bi/panphobic.

I understand some people can't wrap their minds around the fact a character, even a person, can use multiple labels to identify themselves. But just cause you don't understand it, doesn't make it automatically bad or invalid.

Which is why, I honestly decided to just say 'feck it' finally, and made a carrd with information to inform people on the fact, Loki is bi/pan, always has been in fact.

Twitter and other places too honestly, was and still is known, to spread a 'proof' around that Loki was only labeled as Pan out of 'biphobic' intent. That proof being Mackenzi Lee response on why she labeled Loki as pan in her book Loki: Where Mischief Lies, which people jumped to say it was for 'biphobic reasons'. When actually, that wasn't the case. If you wish to see what I mean, here's the link to the carrd I made if information about it and more. I really recommend you read through all the things carefully and see the fact it was just either people misinterpreting her reply or twisting Lee's words to fit their own panphobic rhetoric.

But I am sure some of y'all are like 'lol why care tho? Loki was called canon bi in the mcu. just shut up and leave our bi characters alone.' Yes. He was called bi in the mcu, but I'm talking about marvel comics as a whole here. The mcu for me is honestly a very iffy thing now, especially after the genderfluid erasure and fluidphobia, and other troubling stuff. So I am just focusing on the comics when it comes to Loki on this.

Though I must state a fact while talking about this. Kate Herron, the now well known director for the Loki series, has acknowledged Loki is being written as both bi and pan. But I'll just continue to just call Loki from the mcu as just bi because yeah.

source for this screenshot

The reason I bring this all up, and still care. Is because I am trying to destroy the lies that people say Loki isn't pan or bi/pan, whenever we say he is pan or bi/pan.

This isn't out of the goal to suddenly have people call Loki bi/pan for now on. Honestly I am fine if you just keep calling him bi, its cool with me personally. But what isn't cool to me is the spread of lies that Loki was labeled pan out of biphobic reasons. That's not true. And what's more as well, I don't like how people continue to say a character labeled as bi/pan is biphobic, or choose to just flat out ignore the pan label, or shoot people down for calling the character pan too or bi/pan, when they have been called as both.

If the character was labeled as both bi and pan, then guess what, they are bi/pan. It's not biphobic, or bi erasure. It's just adding another label to character. For a character can have and use multiple labels too just like a person irl.

I'm just stating the facts that bi/pan characters like Loki exist and are valid, and I bring up Loki mainly over this because the panphobia over his label identity has been going on for too long and far. That we get harassed or attacked for even calling Loki pan or bi/pan.

And yes...me talking about it isn't gonna automatically stop the -phobic talks or people, I know this. Even when showing proof to those hateful people. But I at least want to try to inform those who will listen, and are willing to try to understand, and learn. So that we deal with less spread of lies and -phobic posts from people about Loki and other characters in fact.

While I'm at it, I will repost this thing I said on another post awhile back about some characters labeled both bi and pan:

Reminder that a character can be both bi and pan, if they’ve been called as both. Neither label cancels the other out no matter which was said first or last. For both labels are valid and can coexist together.

Though if you still are determined to say it's still biphobic because Loki was called bi first, then pan. Let me ask ya a question then about another character in a similar boat:

Lucifer Morningstar from the show was first called pan by his writers, then bi later on, but his pan label then was just ignored by almost everyone. Why isn't that seen as 'panphobic' or 'pan erasure'? Compared to a character who was called bi first, then pan later on too, but that's called 'biphobic' or 'bi erasure'? Yep, its true, he was called both pan and bi by his writers/etc, look it up. Lucifer is bi/pan, just like Loki, and like Harley Quinn(yep, she was called both bi and pan too), and other characters I just haven't mentioned here.

As much as some people want to continue using their old excuses or lies, to be panphobic and bi/panphobic. In the end of the day you can't erase the fact a character can be bi/pan, use multiple labels, and be still valid as any other character with just a single label.

And this goes same for irl people who are bi/pan or just use multiple labels too. We exist and always have been, and we are valid and always will be. No matter what you try to say to us, we still will keep existing.

[reanimationstation]

hey, it sounds like being on tumblr right now is really bothering you. maybe take a break? people posting things on tumblr dot edu probably shouldn’t be messing with you this much, and there’s really no way to change the mind of someone who doesn’t want their mind changed and it’s not your responsibility matter how much you dislike what they’re saying to try to change it. if someone you follow is posting something you don’t like it’s probably in your best interest to utilize the unfollow function, nobody’s going to bother you about it.

bestie babe im gonna be passive aggressive cause this is annoying and i have a good few guesses as to who you are <3

im not gonna get off tumblr because an anon thinks me being understandably upset over the prevalence of panphobia and hypocrisy in the gothic literature fandom is affecting my mental health. i know where my line is, and ive endured much worse on this site ("tumblr dot edu" is SENDING me thanks for the laugh babe). you arent getting rid of me. and you dont know me so dont pretend that you do.

i made two (2) posts on the matter, where were you when i was deep in felix discourse? another thing that is incredibly important to shed light on, but that's not the main point of this reply. you dont care about my mental health, im a stranger on the internet. it seems like its messing with you a lot more due to this message when you couldve very well ignored me.

i'd prefer it if you didnt patronize me, dont talk to me like i dont know what the unfollow button is. ive used it, darling, but some of you have so many sideblogs that its almost impossible to keep track of them all.

"nobodys going to bother you about it." did you read my last post? comprehend it, perhaps? that was based on a real incident. i blocked a panphobe and rather quickly got a dm from one of their friends, a (ex) mutual of mine. they were polite, ill admit, and i was too. it didnt make the interaction any less irksome. i ended up unblocking them and simply unfollowing. the person who dmed me still follows me and i know they can see my posts.

as for changing peoples minds, im not putting that much effort into that. all i did was complain about people being hypocritical and an asshole towards a group of people.

tumblr is a public platform. if you dont like my posts, why dont you unfollow me. why dont you block me? stop being a coward on anon and own up to your words like you mean it.

my dms are open, after all.