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[gch1995]

Yeah, @wingletblackbird messaged me, and thanked me for standing up for her because @thebitchformerlyknownaskenobi jumped on this post she made with a completely valid point and started being needlessly rude. I don’t agree with @jedi-valjean either about Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Bail Organa doing the best they could under the circumstances in regards to Luke and Leia without the consent of either Padme’s or Anakin’s remaining families, but at least she wasn’t being rude and insulting about posing the debate to @wingletblackbird’s argument that Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Bail Organa didn’t do the best they could for Luke and Leia after Anakin became Vader, Padme died, and the Republic fell.

@thebitchformerlyknownaskenobi and all of the people who are reblogging her post in agreement are needlessly being assholes and should feel ashamed of themselves. Being a POC, being poor, being a member of the LGBTQ+ community, being disabled, being mentally ill, being a victim, and/or being a woman does not automatically make you incapable of committing and/or enabling the same abuse, corruption, oppression, and victimization that any able-bodied, neurotypical, white, privileged, and straight person could commit or enable. Being a minority, being a woman, or being a victim does not give you a free pass from the negative consequences and condemnation from others of enabling and/or perpetuating abuse, crime, discrimination, oppression, and othering against others yourself. (See: Anakin’s journey to the dark side in the prequels and ot movies, the disintegration of the old Jedi Order and Republic in Star Wars, which was not solely on just Anakin and Palpatine, the Amber Heard vs Johnny Depp case verdict, and I could go on and on).

I do kind of agree that it would have been too dangerous for either of the twins to go live on Naboo with Padme’s remaining family because of Palpatine and the Empire. However, both Anakin’s and Padme’s remaining family still had the right to know the whole truth of Luke and Leia and what happened to their parents. They deserved to know that it wasn’t safe for Leia and Luke on Naboo. They deserved to know that the children of their relatives were still alive, that they could still visit them, that they could go into hiding with them, if they wanted.

On the one hand, I do get where @canichangemyblogname is coming from, but the problem is that Yoda, Obi-Wan, and Bail Organa never are shown in either the current canon or the EU, going out of their ways to give Luke, Leia, Padme’s remaining family, or the Larses all the honest information they deserve to have about the twins and what happened to their parents.

In fact, Obi-Wan, Qui Gonn, and Yoda are repeatedly shown deliberately compromising agency, deceiving, embellishing, gaslighting, withholding pertinent information from Anakin, Shmi, Luke, Leia, the Larses, and their recruits for their own benefits because they know if they told the truth and played it fair with them, they probably wouldn’t get their way so easily. They’re not responsible for all of Anakin’s crimes, nor did the entire Order deserve mass murder, but Sidious was clearly not the only one who taught Anakin that it was “okay” to create collateral damage, disrespect personal agency, manipulate others, and violate personal boundaries of others who stood or potentially stood in the way of “the greater good,” he served or his enemies because it was easier and safer than taking a risk to do the right thing by being honest, being emotionally vulnerable, being more open-minded, and being fair to all parties involved instead.

From what we get of Yoda and Obi-Wan in canon, it’s best not to assume anything they say is fully true when they have something to gain from the other person by deceiving, grooming, manipulating, and withholding information from others by doing so. They had something to gain from deceiving, manipulating, and/or grooming Luke, Leia, the Larses, and the Organas for their own ends. It was easier than doing the right thing in a situation where the odds were against them succeeding doing any better. However, that was also often the case with Anakin for his whole life, too, but he’s the only one of Luke and Leia’s predecessors who actually ever gets called out for it, actually pays any serious negative consequences for it in the narrative, or ultimately realizes he was wrong and tries to make some form of atonement for at least his children in the end.

Likewise, we never see Bail Organa doing anything to remedy the issue by talking to Padme’s family and Anakin’s remaining family in canon. From what we see in canon, Bail Organa, Obi-Wan, and Yoda didn’t give either Padme’s remaining family or Anakin’s remaining family those basic rights of honesty and full consent, so in that sense, yes, Luke and Leia were both given away to the Larses and the Organas illegally, and Bail is responsible for kidnapping Leia since he knew the whole truth about her birth parents, knew at least Padme’s family, and never was shown doing anything to tell Leia or Padme’s remaining family the truth in canon.

It’s partly bad writing from Lucas who didn’t always do a great job with execution, planning ahead, and addressing important issues, in spite of being able to come up with brilliant ideas for storytelling, and the other writers involved in Star Wars never cared enough to actually address the consent issues with Luke’s and Leia’s “adoption.” However, as a result, the picture that we get of Bail Organa is definitely not that of Father of the Year either.

Scratching Below the Surface of the Happy Organa Family

There are all these posts circulating now about how awesome Bail and Breha are. And they are. There is no denying they are good and brave people who did an amazing job with Leia and risked a lot to do it. That is to their credit. I am also 100% here for reminding people that adoptive parents are parents. They deserve that credit. So normally, I would be 110% behind Leia is an Organa. She is Bail’s and Breha’s daughter. 

But I can’t, because it’s not legitimate. Every time I see these posts I want to go Yay!!! and get in with the vibes and the feels, and the bittersweet beauty of it, but I can’t. Maybe it’s because the work I do involves crisis pregnancies, adoptions, adoptees etc. and I also have family that was adopted. I am obliged to know at least a little bit about how this works. This is why I get really squicky, because…Leia was not adopted. She was kidnapped.

Think about it. Did Padme give her baby up for adoption? Did Anakin? Now, an argument could be made that Bail, Obi-Wan, and Yoda could hardly risk giving the child to Anakin, and at the time thought he was dead. So, we’ll say his parental rights are terminated as he is unfit. Fine. But, did Padme have a will? Who did she want her child to be raised by if something should happen to her and her husband? And if she did not, then Bail and Obi-Wan and Yoda still can’t do whatever the heck they want. They need to go to Padme’s family, (as well as to Anakin’s). The Naberries had a say in this as much as the Lars’ (who were never told the whole truth either). What, you deliver their dead daughter’s corpse and don’t even tell them their grandbabies survived? Ever. That’s wrong. That’s so so wrong. 

Now, if you do die intestate, or if there is no section for guardianship, the court gets involved to decide who gets the kids. Granted, that can’t be risked in this circumstance. But, generally, kids do go to remaining family. Bail, Obi-Wan, and Yoda could and should still have handled this informally with them. That would be the decent thing to do. 

Or are we supposed to accept that all this is legal, because all Force-Sensitive children are to have their fate decided by the Jedi, so they can do whatever the heck they want? Guess that’s why Yoda’s making the final decision on Luke and Leia’s fates. That’s probably it, isn’t it? Gross. Wrong on so many levels. 

This is sooo squicky. It is impossible for me to unequivocally enjoy content about the happy Organa family without thinking that that is….not how adoption works. That is just taking someone’s grandchild. That is just taking someone’s niece. That is just taking someone’s child. 

Cool Motive.

Still Kidnapping. 

[gch1995]

I seriously have to say that yours is the blog I never knew I needed. You have yourself a new follower!

Thanks! Yeah, unfortunately, many of the Jedi/Republic apologists and Kenobists in this fandom are pretty vicious. As you saw with that post about the completely valid point that @wingletblackbird made about the consent issues involved in Luke’s and Leia’s adoption, even when we try to stay in our own lane and avoid them, there a number of them who will still hijack our posts, gaslight us, say that “you just want to fuck Anakin, and either insinuate that you are or outright call you “stupid,” “racist,” “a genocide apologist,” “chid hater,” “a Holocaust denier,” “western predjudiced,” and in the case of @wingletblackbird’s post, “anti adoptive parents,” even though that’s not what she said at all.

You know why the “closed adoption” argument doesn’t work for Luke and Leia, while it does work for a character like Grogu in regards to Din Djarinn adopting him? Luke and Leia’s parents still had relatives, and Bail Organa, Yoda, and Obi-Wan would have at least known about the Naberries.

By contrast, Grogu is a foundling toddler and survivor of Order 66 who doesn’t have any known surviving relatives. Din Djarinn adopting him without any official record during war time/aftermath of a genocide in that situation is completely valid closed adoption.

I have given the naysayers a taste of their own medicine on a few occasions and hijacked their posts, if only because they completely dominate tumblr, but I usually try to avoid them because it’s impossible to argue them without them completely drowning you out and making valid points about their favorite fictional Star Wars characters on the “right” side being deeply flawed.

To them, only Anakin Skywalker is allowed to be criticized for his flaws from the series. Yeah. We know he committed reprehensible crimes against many people who didn’t deserve it. We know he became a monster, at least in part, due to his own bad choices. We know he developed a very ugly arrogant, cruel, domineering reckless, ruthless, self-centered, and vengeful streak at his worst.

Anakin Skywalker is generally the main character of most Star Wars content. We know where he came from. We know what motivates him. We know loyalty and love for family and friends either makes him or breaks him. We know he is brave, kind, and selfless at best, while being horrifyingly arrogant, cruel, and selfish at worst. We see nearly every good thing he has done and every terrible thing he has done under a magnifying glass with consequences that ultimately follow him sooner or later for better or worse because most of Star Wars is his story, for better and worse. It’s primarily his character arc and story we’re focusing on in Star Wars, so everything about his character and arc is pretty complex, dynamic, relatable, and well-developed when taken altogether.

However, many of the major side characters in Star Wars are also deeply flawed people, but because they’re not the main characters and/or they’re on the “right” side, they don’t really evolve much at all, except for Luke. Their atrocities aren’t examined. That’s why fandom should look at them more critically.

I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again, but the old Jedi Order and Republic was essentially a watered down version of the Empire and Sith. Anakin and Palpatine were not the only messed up characters in that society. They all were.

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Yeah, that coward OP blocked me for criticizing their precious Bail Organa on their post, so I'm going to have to say it here:

I disagree with there being necessarily nothing wrong with taking advantage of an opportunity. It is wrong when that opportunity comes from someone else's misfortune and you take advantage of that misfortune instead of helping to alleviate it as much as possible. That baby girl's family was being torn apart and instead of helping to keep it together, Bail took advantage of the opportunity for a child to claim as his own and scavenged her from them. That's quite covetous, callous, and cruel, and that's the problem with so many adoptive parents, which is why the adoption system is so corrupt. As for not considering all the factors, Bail Organa was an experienced politician in the middle of a crisis who held the fate of an entire planet in his hands. He should have considered all of those risks to his nation and his family before making such a stupid decision. Like you said, that makes him a bad leader that he was willing to endanger his planet like that.

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19 notes - Posted June 12, 2022

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Hello! I've been thinking about adoption after your post and wanted to follow up. What's your ideal adoption system? I know some parents want free babies to prevent possible interference from biological parents down the road. Even though babies may form bonds with their mother, won't they just eventually forget anyway? I can hardly remember anything before 5 years old.

That kind of adoptive parents you're talking about are half the problem with the adoption system. It's because of them that it's a corrupt industry that makes millions of dollars off of exploiting and manipulating vulnerable women, much like the abortion industry. They're spoiled, entitled, covetous vultures who want womb-wet babies to replace the ones they can't have while ignoring the fact that God gave them to someone else first. Preventing interference from biological parents should be the last thing on their minds, but it's often the first thing that they consider, even though it's rarely ever what the children need. Those babies may consciously forget their moms, but I don't think that their subconscious minds ever forget. The trauma that separation from their moms causes is so profound that it has significant psychological and even physical effects that can last a lifetime. And then there's still the inherited genetics that determine their brain structure and chemistry, which lays the foundations for a child's temperament, preventing them from bonding with their adoptive parents like they ever could with their biological parents. Even adoptees with loving adoptive parents always know that there's something missing, even if they don't always acknowledge it and it takes them decades to do so.

I already mentioned in the comments on that post that kinship care and legal guardianship are better alternatives if the parents can't or won't care for the kids no matter how hard you try to convince them or support them. Adoption should be a last resort if an option at all, and even then, it shouldn't be closed or lasting.

26 notes - Posted May 26, 2022

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@steambabyweek was supposed to kick off yesterday, but it didn't. It probably doesn't have enough traction right now, but that needs to change.

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You know that your interpretation of a ship is bad when you have to ignore the significant character and relationship development in the narrative (especially in later parts) that makes the ship work. You also know you're misinterpreting it when you're comparing it to characters and ships that have nothing in common with it.

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Kataang shippers and other Zutara antis, you might have Bryke and their canon, but we now have the other writers and their broadcast drafts of the scripts. There's now no valid reason to call us delusional for reading Zutara into the A:TLA narrative any more than Kataang. So I suggest you take a good look at these before proceeding to do so or telling us that the buildup was never part of the canon.

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My only disagreement here is that it would have been dangerous for the twins to stay with the Naberries. The majority of the reasons why are explained in the post by @wingletblackbird below. As for the rest, at the very least, it wouldn't have been any more dangerous than Leia staying with the Organas. The Naberries were only in the public eye because of Padmé and now that she was dead, they actually had a much lower profile than the Organas. Plus, Naboo was so far from the Core that it was right by the Outer Rim, while Alderaan was a Core planet that was right next door to Coruscant. This danger was compounded by the fact that, especially if the Kenobi series is anything to go by, Leia stuck out like a sore thumb amongst the Organas, both physically and psychologically, but had a striking resemblance to Padmé, which Palpatine would have noticed (having mentored Padmé in her youth). Bail might as well have been waving Leia like a flag in front of the Empire, especially when he took her to the Imperial Senate. If it actually was too dangerous for the twins to stay on Naboo, they could have both gone to the Larses or whatever family the twins had, as long as the Naberries had the final say and visiting rights, (though as @tragicfantasy-girl mentioned in the notes, that might not have been any less dangerous than staying with the Naberries). but they did not need to be separated (which, BTW, George Lucas had been planning long before ROTJ, even if the sister wasn't Leia).

Scratching Below the Surface of the Happy Organa Family

There are all these posts circulating now about how awesome Bail and Breha are. And they are. There is no denying they are good and brave people who did an amazing job with Leia and risked a lot to do it. That is to their credit. I am also 100% here for reminding people that adoptive parents are parents. They deserve that credit. So normally, I would be 110% behind Leia is an Organa. She is Bail’s and Breha’s daughter. 

But I can’t, because it’s not legitimate. Every time I see these posts I want to go Yay!!! and get in with the vibes and the feels, and the bittersweet beauty of it, but I can’t. Maybe it’s because the work I do involves crisis pregnancies, adoptions, adoptees etc. and I also have family that was adopted. I am obliged to know at least a little bit about how this works. This is why I get really squicky, because…Leia was not adopted. She was kidnapped.

Think about it. Did Padme give her baby up for adoption? Did Anakin? Now, an argument could be made that Bail, Obi-Wan, and Yoda could hardly risk giving the child to Anakin, and at the time thought he was dead. So, we’ll say his parental rights are terminated as he is unfit. Fine. But, did Padme have a will? Who did she want her child to be raised by if something should happen to her and her husband? And if she did not, then Bail and Obi-Wan and Yoda still can’t do whatever the heck they want. They need to go to Padme’s family, (as well as to Anakin’s). The Naberries had a say in this as much as the Lars’ (who were never told the whole truth either). What, you deliver their dead daughter’s corpse and don’t even tell them their grandbabies survived? Ever. That’s wrong. That’s so so wrong. 

Now, if you do die intestate, or if there is no section for guardianship, the court gets involved to decide who gets the kids. Granted, that can’t be risked in this circumstance. But, generally, kids do go to remaining family. Bail, Obi-Wan, and Yoda could and should still have handled this informally with them. That would be the decent thing to do. 

Or are we supposed to accept that all this is legal, because all Force-Sensitive children are to have their fate decided by the Jedi, so they can do whatever the heck they want? Guess that’s why Yoda’s making the final decision on Luke and Leia’s fates. That’s probably it, isn’t it? Gross. Wrong on so many levels. 

This is sooo squicky. It is impossible for me to unequivocally enjoy content about the happy Organa family without thinking that that is….not how adoption works. That is just taking someone’s grandchild. That is just taking someone’s niece. That is just taking someone’s child. 

Cool Motive.

Still Kidnapping.