#yeah…still on prosenna

[formulaocean]

“The notion of Federer’s absence has forced a kind of reckoning of his own” vs “his death was the end of my story with formula 1”

Fedal and Prosenna and the notion of an eternal rival.

[silveryhill]

F1 RACING, 01.06.2001

Murray Walker's interview with Alain

The last is the inevitable one, Ayrton Senna. But before you answer, I want to tell you a little story. One year at Monaco, I waited four and a half hours outside the Marlboro motorhome to do an interview with Senna. The two of you were having a debrief. When the door opened, the first person who came out was you. I said: "You've been in there for four and a half hours. What on earth do you talk about for all that time?" You said: "Well, Murray, we talk about this and we talk about that, but I do not like to be the first to leave!" Did that sum up your relationship with Ayrton?

Yes and no. The team were very professional. Everything we could get from each other was important. If you left too soon, you would miss learning something.

But the way you said it, I had the impression that once you left, Ayrton would say, "And put another two pounds in the tyres."

We were very professional. Even when we had the big fight. It was a funny situation because we only talked to each other in the briefings. There, it was like we never had any problem. We were sharing set-ups and things on the car. I promise you – and I don't know whether the same is true for him – that I never, ever lied to him.

As someone who had enormous admiration for Senna, I never forgave him for lying about Japan in '90.

The only problems I have today are Imola '89 and Japan '90. I really suffered over them. Everybody lies in life, but when you lie for your own benefit... I suffered a lot. I almost stopped at the end of '90. For a few days I wondered whether it was worth carrying on, especially when I saw the comments in the papers that it was almost my fault! I remember one of the Honda engineers coming to me on the evening of the race and saying, "We have looked at the telemetry. It is unbelievable, Senna stayed absolutely flat until the impact." I thought, "Shit." Why didn't the truth come out? Living with that was very difficult. You must understand that Ayrton's motivation was to beat me. All he wanted to do was beat me. Being world champion was one thing, but that was almost second to the challenge of beating me. I was his obsession. As soon as I retired, he changed totally. We talked on the phone as if we had been friends for a long time. After I stopped, our new relationship made me forget about everything else. I remembered only the best of Ayrton and not the worst. It's like in school.

[mwebber]

I think the biggest reason why martian appeals to me over other f1 rivalries is that mark never won a wdc. He came sososo close in 2010 but ultimately was beaten by sebastian. Brocedes, prosenna, makkinen, etc, both parties have ensured that they will go down in history. Both have achievements outside of the other. However, mark is doomed to be forgotton by history and forgotten by everyone. That is, everyone except seb. Mark's career is only defined by seb's, but it isn't the same the other way round. They're obsessed with each other and you have made me obsessed with them. Diagnosed with martian brainrot and i'm afraid it's terminal <3 sorry for the long rant

so much to unpack here... like yeah no i'm with u, it's the whole humanizing factor of "almost" with mark that first made me overcome my initial squick. christ, even just sympathizing, it's a gut-wrenching loss. and immediately it's like, how did he cope, what did he do, etc, and i won't lie and say i haven't contributed to this, but it's really just grief porn, isn't it? bleakly realistic or exaggeratedly unrealistic depending on whose take it is, but grief porn nonetheless. who's the real mark webber?

i get what you're saying, but honestly, i'd contest it. mark isn't doomed to be forgotten by history; he's there in the history books as one of australia's best, and also he's literally a world champion in endurance racing. just because he never got that f1 championship doesn't mean he didn't succeed or find fame in other areas. i think there's this idea that he was shit as an f1 driver and his only thing is getting mopped by seb, but when you look at even just the stats, mark still beats out ricciardo. MARK WEBBER is the third-best driver red bull racing has ever had, third only to seb and max.

plus, like, he's literally fine with everything. he doesn't see himself as a victim or a tragic character, the man is just. living his best life! travelling the world! meeting cool people! girlblogging on instagram! not saying this is necessarily you, but i think when one gets deep in the fandom, it's really easy to latch onto the idea of these people and the fleeting snapshots of their stories that are captured in media, and miss the person themselves.

and i'd also argue that seb's career IS defined by mark. i know multi-21 feels commonplace on tumblr dot com, but when the masses of fans think of vettel, they think of malaysia 2013. they think of red bull and 4 championships in a row. sure, haters focus on the tail end of his ferrari career or how godawful aston martin's car was, and haters often have loud voices, but oh my goodness. seb's racing legacy is so deeply entwined with mark's. i think it's reductive to wave that off for the sake of the narrative comparison.

i love that you're just getting into martian, and i love the renaissance that's happening where people are finding their footholds with the ship and exploring the two of them, because there are a great many treasures to find! just be wary of falling into the larger fanon, i guess is what i'm trying to say. this ship has had over a decade to marinate and both seb and mark have had their identities and stories boxed into one-liners like the ones you've described. what else is there? that's where the gold is.

[thinkingaboutfilm11]

Dearly beloved ProSenna writer, would u be down to writing a fic where, on the afternoon of May 1st, 1994, in Imola, on that supposed last lunch Alain and Ayrton had, Ayrton had slipped, and said, “tell me not to go” and Alain, clearly shocked, could only let out, “w-what?” Ayrton smiled at him, but there’s just the tiniest bit of something wrong in that smile. He reached towards the other end of the table where Alain was, and let their fingers touch just the slightest, as he repeated, “tell me not to go, tell me not to race,” with a tone that communicated Ayrton’s doubts, and fears, and the vulnerability he’d only willingly shown Alain. “Ayrton, what?” Alain asked, taken aback, not knowing what brought this on but knowing that this is not something to be taken lightly. Ayrton smiled sadly at that reply, stood up, and just as he’d taken a single step, with his back turned to Alain, he whispered, “for I do not think I would be able to come back to you, Alain” and he was a few steps in, thinking Alain hadn’t caught it, or that he hadn’t cared enough, but Alain who heard his declaration, eyes wide, and with a sudden fear gripping his heart, chased him, hugged him from behind, and that prompted a gasp out of Ayrton who turned to look back, only for Alain to murmur, “don’t go”. And Ayrton’s heart was doing somersaults, and suddenly the ringing in his ears stop, the fear gripping his heart was snatched away, calmed by Alain’s plea. “Do u mean that?” Ayrton asked, moving to turn and face Alain. No answer. “Alain, do u mean that?” He asked again, tilting Alain’s chin so they were looking into each others’ eyes. “Yes,” Alain replied, breathless. “Then, I won’t” Ayrton resolved, kissed Alain’s forehead, then gave him a peck, before communicating the same to the team, making up some illness as to why he couldn’t do it. No one died, Alain still hadn’t come back to racing, but Ayrton returned to Alain after every race he participated in after that one. And no one knew what happened, but the two were always together, and with time, they would be sporting matching gold bands - with Alain bearing A.Senna, and Ayrton bearing A.Prost. Imagine Ayrton’s overalls bearing an A.Prost tho. They were married, and once again, they were teachers, pioneers, old guards of their era while simultaneously being a tandem that advocated for more safety practices, etc. 🥹

They hadn’t taken each other’s last name, more like, it became Alain Senna since it sounds better than Ayrton Prost. 🤭

P.S. this is the same anon to ask for either mpreg, or genderbend one, but I’m kinda shy, sooo, I’ll be taking all my strength first so I could pm u for that genderbend smut, please wait for me 🥹🙏🏻

P.P.S. My prompt would’ve actually been just Alain Senna, because no matter how I see it, they were married without the certificate or the benefits, but yeah. I hope to hear from u! Thank you once again for ur great service in writing about ProSenna! U are truly, simply lovely! 🤍

Bro youre asking me to write…. But it seems to me its YOU who has a brilliant idea! Why don’t you write it- this is so cute so far, I’d definitely read it and go rabid in the comments!!!!

And I agree- Alain would have to take Ayrton’s surname. Ayrton is too stubborn to give his up I think, and Alain would do it just to shut him up.

Don’t feel shy 😭 I want friends please say hi! You are lovely too!

[drivestraight]

Tbh I am eating up the charlos drama. Like I want them to go venomous. Like full on prosenna teammate war. Give us the japan’89/spain’16. I would say baku’18 but maxiel are still friends so no.

I want them to come out of it broken and unfixable!

I would enjoy it more if it weren’t for the toxic fandom side of it :/

irreparable and unredeemable actions (ofc safe though) from the both of them on track. i need it so bad.

and yeah for the toxic fandom side of it. i think a lot of it is just having to unfollow and block everyone you don't fuck with. I've been doing loads of that lately

[sennaverstappendiary]

azerbaijan grand prix ✩ 30.04.2023

listen. i'm going to be real. the reason this is so high up is because it was my first taste of lestappen cr4ck c0caine i'm being so fucking serious. 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫 this shit fucking killed me. i was unable to talk about anything else. i felt like i had been punched in the fucking gut i'm so fucking serious. 🤧🤧🤧 if you scroll back down far enough you can find my absolute breakdown over this grand prix. i was going BONKERS. getting drunk after quali with my bestie over this shit kinda BONKERS. dancing in the street kinda BONKERS. who needs drugs when you have autism. ☺️☺️☺️

okay lets go back a bit. it had been almost a month since australia, and i had learned A LOT about f1 in the meantime. some very very important things happened, but the most important one is that i made friends! genuine friends! on f1blr! 🥰🥰🥰🤧🤧🌷🌷🌷

i did this by making some rules with myself: if i was going to engage in my hyperfix on tumblr, i should at the very least post my thoughts about it and try to message people. because in all my other fandoms i was just... alone. 😔

to start with, idk how i did it, but i managed to overcome my fear of messaging people first (i was shaking like a leaf while doing it, though), and i somehow managed to message @/verstrapons... which looking back is fucking crazy because i was SCARED and INTIMIDATED and would like... freak out making sure i said the "right stuff" 😭😭😭 looking back this is utterly ridiculous but... i hadn't had online friends in a WHILE okay i was suffering 🥹🥹🥹 it obviously turned out amazingly but!!! i'm so glad we clicked 💕💕 i love you emma... 💓💓💥💥

then i joined the max discord server… i love you guys so much too - i learn stuff every day from y’all and you all made me feel so welcome 🥺🥺🌷🌷 a million flowers to u all… i hope we can meet up at the berlin E prix 🥹🥹🥹

and my lovely bestie @/boxenstopp … my kimi /p… i’m so glad you send me an ask that day on my main blog 🥰🥰🥰 i can’t imagine my life without you and i’m so glad we’re friends… 🥺🥺🥺 you always make me feel so accepted aaaghh… can’t wait to meet up for christmas again 🌷🌷🌷🌷 or maybe we already met. idk when this is coming out 🥹🥹

last but not least… @/xiaoluclair … thank you so much for always messaging with me, especially when we were both more active on tumblr 💌💌💕💕

sappy shit aside.

the other thing that happened during this time? i started realising which drivers i like, which i don’t like as much, and which ships i like and dislike. my top 3 ships have not changed since (lestappen prosenna simi) 😳😳😳 and my tumblr got banned while making a brocedes edit (PLEASE) but it got restored thank the lord LMFAO 🥹🥹🥹 i think i even started my lestappen fic (the first one) during this time‼️‼️ ain’t that something!! don’t mention the fact that sebchal was my first ever f1 fic i will cry 🧍‍♂️/nsrs.

and of course i got to know a lot more about f1! including but not limited to: what the teams actually were, reading the first half of the prosenna book, binging youtube video’s, not quite getting a lot of the references (bono my tyres are dead), what some things on the car do… etc etc. just a lot of general knowledge, although i felt like i didn’t know anything still (well i still feel that way) 😭😭😭

shit we havent even gotten to the race yet. i love yapping 🗣️🗣️🗣️

OH!!!! this was the first time i watched a race while chatting with other people, specifically the ones mentioned above💙💙‼️‼️ thanks for hearing me ramble on about being scared for max always (thats my brand. and he slays every time 🔥🔥🔥)

so, starting with free practice. i still didn’t watch, but i do remember being at my grandparents and quinine texting me that lestappen were 1-2 in fp1? very funny. on the way home i listened to puppy princess and i was like “this is very lestappen core”. lmfao. yeah that changed me as a person for real 😭😭

quali. what. the. fuck. WHAT THE FUCK 🗣️🗣️🗣️‼️‼️‼️‼️ i think i almost passed out. keep in mind, there was a FOUR WEEK gap between australia and baku. i went fucking crazy. when 0.000 happened i blacked out for a moment (/nsrs) and i screamed i was SHAKING i was TREMBLING 😵‍💫😵‍💫 I FELT SICK 🙏🙏 i was happy stimming the entire way to the store (i had to eat afterwards). like that was so sick. i genuinely yelped like a damn puppy (ha) when 0.000 happened. wasnt even upset when charles got pole in the end i was so high on it. and then max kept praising charles OH i felt sick. i felt deranged 💥💥💥💥💥💥

this also happens to be the first sprint race of the season. wish it was the last fuck sprints. sprint quali i just remember me sitting in my brothers room completely disinterested as i always am in fucking spring qualis. lmfao. the real sprint was funny, only bc of the INFAMOUS gax moment 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 hole in the rb19 😨😨😨😨 max angry 🥰🥰🥰 george. 🙄🙄🙄 LIKE THAT SHIT SLAPPED i was mad asf at george at the time tho LMAO 🥹🥹🥹

OHHHH the race itself was ass btw. was genuinely kinda upset after NOTHING GOOD HAPPENED AND THEY FUCKED UP MAXS STRAT 💔💔💔💔💔 post race was great tho. more than great. it was fucking amazing ‼️‼️‼️💓💓💓 we got: max straight up lying to charles (“you were catching!!” <- charles was 20 seconds behind max 🫣); charles sitting on the wrong chair (typical); CHARLES AND MAX SWAPPING PODIUM POSITIONS AND CHARLES BEING DUTCH FOR A SECOND 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️ LIKE WHAT. HUH. SORRY?!?!?? sure. whatever 🤯🤯🤯🤯. and then charles RUNNING over to spray max 🥰🥰🥰 yeah that was good. that was real good 🌷🌷🌷🌷

i really did love this entire race weekend so much - this was my austria 22 i cant even lie. thats also why its ranked so highly, which, looking back, so fucking crazy‼️‼️‼️ we got so spoiled with lestappen content from qatar onwards that looking back this isnt even that much but believe me. to maple this was crack cocaine of the highest level 😁😁😁😁💞💓💕💓💓💘💘💖💞💞💓💗💝

✩ song of the race: puppy princess - hot freaks

erm hem.

[eliotheeangelis]

[1337wtfomgbbq]

To add onto the last quote, about Ayrton wanting what he can't have.

That was based on the situation JD and Elliot had at the end of season 3 in Scrubs, but it also fits Prosenna and Proquet so well; so Imma spinn it into a small story real quick.

Cause like, Alain in both the 'thirteen years' series and the 'it will set you free' series was at a point where he was essentially living with Nelson, right.

And Ayrton, like JD, has the "I want what I can't have" panic and talks Alain into leaving Nelson for him, only to then realise that he doesn't want Alain anymore.

Following the same plotpoints as scrubs, Ayrton would then end up talking with Gerhard, who he was with last, and who essentially tells Ayrton that he probably has mommy issues and that he needs to learn to love the little things about Alain.

And we have a scene where Ayrton's like "we have nothing even in common" about Alain, only to be then proven wrong, as they have so much in common and so many damn inside jokes.

And he realises how much history they have together. And Ayrton thinks about all the little things he likes about Alain, "And that's when I realized that I really liked all those things about Alain, but I didn't love them...and I didn't love him."

But the relationship between them is great and he should be happy but he can't help but feel the rising panic.

And they are at the rehearsal dinner for Niki and James' wedding, cause if you know the episode you know why they have to be.

And it is when James tells Niki how much he loves him and how he will show him that for the rest of their lifes that the penny finally drops for Ayrton.

Alain smiling: Aren't they amazing

Ayrton whispers: I don't love you

*record scratch*

Alain: What?!

Ayrton: Please don't cry

Alain: Oh, I won't *and pushes Ayrton over the table*

And then Alain sits down calmly next to Jean, asking for some more wine while everyone watches on in shock as Ayrton goes, "oh god, call 911."

And then during the Launt wedding and leading up to it Ayrton tries to get Alain back together with Nelson to try and at least salvage his friendship to Alain.

But Alain ultimately refuses that.

Alain: What have you been up to?

Nelson: Oh, I was crying a lot, and then I got really emotionally numb. Oh, and this morning I jammed a salad fork two inches deep into my thigh to see if I could still feel the pain.

Alain: And?

Nelson: Oh yeah

Alain: Good

Nelson: Alain, do you wanna get out of here?

Alain:

Alain: Nelson look, I don't know what Ayrton told you but... if we're gonna give this another try, you need to know that I didn't end things with you because I was freaking out about us living together. I did it because... Ayrton and I have this history and... I actually thought he might be the one. But I just ended up getting my heart broken.

Nelson: Sucks, doesn't it?

Alain: Yeah.

Which Nelson like Sean, and to both Ayrton and JD's surprise, is very understanding of.

And Ayrton asks Alain if they are gonna be okay which, well, if you know Scrubs you know how that goes:

Alain: Ayrton! It's not happening. Besides, if Nelson and I are meant to be together, I never would have gone home with you that night and sabotaged everything that I had with him.

Ayrton: You and I are gonna be okay, right?

Alain: What do you think?

Ayrton: Probably not.

Alain: *walks off*

Ayrton: Alain!

Alain: *stops and looks back at Ayrton*

Ayrton: You let me know when we are.

Alain: Don't hold your breath.