#xmen was so important to me. way more important than marvel/avengers
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zafiro-anyejo · 4 months ago
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My brother dragged me to see Deadpool 3. Didn't like it very much. But some of the jokes were funny. Idk man. I'm so tired of multiverses and nothing really meaning anything and characters just getting sidelined/being told things and not shown. Have some heart ffs. Make me feel something. Ugh.
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sharkgirls · 6 months ago
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xmen 97 had no business being that good. it took awhile to adjust to visually. some things felt wrong for a continuation of a children’s cartoon. but the most important thing is it took the subject matter seriously. it was more than nostalgic. it felt like its own project while being a continuation of a classic.
things i liked (very spoiler tastic)
Magneto outfit change even if the M was goofy, showing skin (armpits, shoulders) was very slutty
Morph and Logan. Morph, Gambit and Logan coming out of the danger room, sweaty with high implications of them having a threesome is not in my dirty mind. Also Logan being down and in a tree and Morph bringing him beer and snacks and Logan turns his head away all stubborn, causing Morph to well morph into Sabertooth instigating Logan to wrestle with him and stab the beer with his claws. Gay af. also Morph telling an unconscious Logan he loved him even if it was with Jean’s voice.
Magneto was right is something that is said constantly. I also love seeing Magneto exercising patience in Charles’ absence and ultimately snapping at the right amount of pressure.
Gambit going out with a bang. Im still fucking pissed about this. This is a children’s cartoon. Granted spiderman ended with peter summoning ben from another universe to get Carnage spider man to “destroy himself” which is so dark, I can’t believe that happened. Still, it was the most bad ass metal death ever.
The brief cameo of Peter and MJ. Out of all the cameos, this was the one that hit me. The rest annoyed me. Like it wasn’t the scene of spider-man they showed. It was seeing my Peter again that got me. i don’t think i would have seen him though if I hadn’t saw MJ as her red hair and yellow sweater made her stick out much easier.
The twin towers. Yes I know it’s 97 but it’s hard to see the twin towers and not laugh. Ive seen too many 9/11 jokes, maybe they should have left those out. The editing video one comes to mind first.
Seeing that hot lady with the eye patch again.
Gambit’s slutty crop top. Gambit blowing shit up in a pink explosion. fuck it, Gambit in general. I miss this man.
I think that’s it. I didn’t really care much for the ending. it really is cashing in on nostalgia which is disappointing. But having a whole season say Magneto is right and go out of the way to prove it, especially when he’s trying to be patient like omg. Let this man kill. He literally is like “do not make me let you down” he’s trying for peace and humanity decides to fucking ruin it.
Like the original wanted to put emphasis on Charles’ vision while showing how faulty it was. This one was like Charles’ vision is completely out of the fucking question, nice dream but nah. The Genosha genocide was so hard to watch especially with what’s going on in the world but watching Magneto be all like “They shall be avenged!” and finally losing his shit. Oh i love you. I love you for giving Charles’ dream a chance but you were right, you were fucking right. And now everyone is fucking dead. Just aaaah.
There was no reason for them to go this hard. But it wouldnt be xmen if they didn’t. shame it’s still a part of modern marvel. I feel like almost ashamed for liking it and wanting to talk about it but “Magneto is right” is the message I needed to fucking hear in my children’s cartoon. Now go have gay sex!
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rachaelswrites · 2 years ago
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Out of Control
Bruce Banner x Daughter!reader
Word Count: 511
Requested By: Anonymous
if you feel comfortable could you do an avengersxteenreader where y/n is bruce banners daughter and she has the same powers as rogue from xmen but they're triggered by emotions. she accidentally uses them on one of the avengers and they have to try and convince her she isn't a monster like she thinks she is? xx
A/N: Thank you for the request! I really enjoyed writing this
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Much like your dad, you viewed your powers as more of a curse than anything helpful. They were hard to control and when you didn’t have a hold on them, everyone around you was affected. You couldn’t have any of too much emotion around anyone or else you would take their memories. It was hard having to be emotionless around anyone nearby but you had to do it to protect them.
Bruce had tried hard to find different ways to help suppress and control your powers but so far, nothing worked. He felt he was to blame for your new powers so he put all his time and energy in helping you figure out these powers. It was his fault you were in the lab while he was experimenting and he didn’t stop you in time.
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Bruce had gone through about five different prototypes already. He was getting frustrated and he knew you were as well. He hoped his most recent one would work. He had spent countless hours on it and so far, it passed all the preliminary tests.
Your dad called you down to the lab where he and Tony were waiting. They both looked hopefully but you didn’t want to get your hopes up too early.
“Another trial?” You asked your dad, sitting on top of one of the desks.
Bruce nodded, “We’re confident in this one Y/n.”
“We just gotta attach this thing here and-” Tony was cut off in his explanation as he attached something to your head.
You looked at him as a younger Tony flashed in your head. You immediately pulled away and got off of the desk, finding the nearest wall and sinking to the floor. You hadn’t meant to do that but the anxiety from the trial must have been what triggered your powers.
“Tony I’m sorry,” you said, burying your head in your hands, “I didn’t mean to. I’m sorry.”
“Hey kid it’s okay,” he replied, walking over to you. He reached a hand out to help you up but you slid back into the wall, hard.
“Tony,” Bruce said, making him drop his hand.
You shook your head, “Don’t touch me. I’ll just do it again. I can’t control it,” you said.
“Y/n,” Tony said, waiting until you looked up at him, “Look, I’m not a fan of me missing some memories but that one, not a big deal. It was probably more traumatic than nostalgic if we’re being honest.”
“But I still took away a memory from you. What if it had been something more important?” you asked, shaking your head again, “I’m a monster.”
“Hey,” your dad said, “You are not a monster. You are trying to gain control of a new, scary power and it’s hard, which is expected.”
Bruce came over to you and sat down next to you.
“Listen to your old man Y/n,” Tony said, crouching down in front of you, “He knows what he’s talking about. If he can control the big green man, you can do it as well.”
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rqgnarok · 5 years ago
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she - carol danvers
she – carol danvers
song: she by dodie
fandom: the avengers ft. xmen (marvel)
words: 3407
warnings: kidnappings, ptsd, nightmares, blood, death, etc.
summary: carol stares and falls in love.
author's note below.
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Am I allowed to look at her like that?
Could it be wrong
When she's just so nice to look at?
Carol doesn’t know how she hasn’t been caught staring.
She’s beautiful. She’s got mutant blood running through her veins and that should make her dangerous enough for Carol to consider her a threat, but the energy that flows through her own system and her common sense tells her they’re way beyond that shit. (Y/N) Xavier has time and space falling through her fingers and could render you to dust with the flick of a wrist, a simple thought if she wanted to. Carol has never known anyone more gorgeous and powerful and terrifying all at the same time.
She loves it. She loves her.  
And she smells like lemongrass and sleep
She tastes like apple juice and peach
Oh, you would find her in a Polaroid picture
And she means everything to me
(Y/N)’s kidnapped by HYDRA and Carol sees red, can’t understand the sudden feeling of tears getting caught up bitterly on her throat, tightened angry fists and the permanent scowl on her features. Because it was supposed to be a retrieving intel mission, she screams at Steve later when he returns to the Quinjet without the mutant by his side, how the fuck did HYDRA get their hands on anti-mutant tech, how dare you leave her alone-
They find her on a warehouse, after being under HYDRA’s care for sixteen days, with a heavy collar around her throat, now an angry red with scratches and scars (Y/N) can’t heal due her mutant gene reacting badly against the tech used on her. The Avengers go to rescue their teammate and find a shaking, muttering, lost mess instead. She shrieks and pushes back every time someone tries to touch her, and it isn’t until she sees Carol’s energy brighten her eyes that a flash of recognition swims through hers.
The ride back home on the Quinjet is loud and rattled, the medics trying to force drugs into (Y/N)’s system while she fights back with whatever she’s got left, still blinded by her time as HYDRA’s guinea pig to know better than to let them manhandle her that easily.
Carol hurts as she has to pin her down for them to work (because she offered. Of course she offered, a dangerous feeling of uneasiness pressured her on the chest at the mere thought of Steve, Thor or even Banner touching her, hurting her like this), can’t look away as (Y/N) throws her a betrayed look and even if the bruising she left on already blemished arms to keep her at bay would disappear as soon as she got control of her powers again, there’s an ache within her Carol knows won’t fade until she makes sure (Y/N)’s safe, home, sleeping it off in the familiar comfort of one of the Tower’s endless rooms.
Because it shouldn’t be this easy, she thinks later in the darkness and safety of the medbay, as she buries her face on (Y/N)’s hair to breathe her in and press and experimental kiss on it, because the mutant gene is supposed to protect her, even if her job consists on putting her life on the line every single goddamn day.
(Y/N) wakes up days after being brought in, with a clean system and no scarring left of her time as HYDRA’s puppet, yet Carol is left with the sudden realization that it never hurt like this whenever another one of her teammates got kidnapped or hurt during a mission. The fear she’d welcomed during those weeks the mutant was missing and when they’d found (Y/N), hurt and bruised and so close to losing herself to insanity, roots itself deeply within the pilot.
It takes her long enough to realize she’s falling in love.
I'd never tell
No, I'd never say a word
And oh, it aches
But it feels oddly good to hurt
Carol hates it when Scott Summers comes to visit.
Sure, the guy’s nice enough, but kinda cocky for Carol’s taste. Dangerous, too, according to his file (because Nick Fury has a file on everyone), and the fact that he can’t look the guy straight in the eye doesn’t let her be assured that he can really be trusted.
But the thing is that (Y/N) grins so fucking wildly when she sees him stepping into the common floor’s threshold, hugs him tight enough for her to shake with the force her limbs are using, and there’s something in the way she looks at him, nostalgic and sad and familiar, that makes an uncomfortable disappointment swim on Carol’s belly.
And yet, she manages.
“How are things, back home?” Carol overhears (Y/N) asking one day, and it kills her to think that even after all this time, she still considers her father’s establishment home rather than the Avengers Tower among all her friends and the people she’s saved and have saved her multiple times. Somewhere among those people, is Carol, in love and quiet enough about it for (Y/N) to be blissfully ignorant about it.
“Been better, been worse,” Scott reassures, and there’s the faint noise of him throwing a popcorn to (Y/N)’s mouth to see if she catches it. She hasn’t, at least for the past hour. They took the living room hostage and have made it their spot for the last couple of hours, much to Sam’s annoyance who was banished to hang out in his room for the rest of the day. “You’d know more if you came around every once in a while.”
“I know,” (Y/N) laments, and Carol doesn’t expect the softness of her tone. Because the (Y/N) she’s learned to know is rough around the edges, always bright and big and not at all this: gentle and small and sorry. “I know, I just-”
“I know,” Scott answers, light and teasing and probably just what (Y/N) needs right now. “We just miss you. Your dad- he’s been talking about you a lot these days.”
“I wish I could go back,” she admits, unintentionally cracking Carol’s facade even further, who’s hiding behind the wall at the entrance of the room for the last few minutes instead of just walking in like she intended to do a few moments ago. She’s afraid of breathing differently and being heard and doesn’t dare to react while (Y/N) speaks. “Sometimes, I do. When the weight of the world gets so heavy upon my shoulders, I wish nothing more than to go back home. To be a little girl, hop into my father’s wheelchair and race across the house.”
There’s a smile somewhere in there, nostalgic like only missing someone, something can make you. Carol knows about that well enough. Even if Yon-Rogg turned out to be all she stood against, she missed him sometimes, a friend and a guide she could talk to whenever she felt like she had no idea what she was doing.
Carol guesses that’s what Scott Summers is to (Y/N).
“But the people we’ve lost, Scottie-” she cuts herself off and takes a deep breath, two, three of them before she’s sure she won’t be shedding any tears soon. “I know that if I go back, I’ll feel like I’ll be standing on a graveyard rather than my childhood home.”
“I don’t wanna taint it like that,” she continues, somewhat desperate for him to understand and Carol can easily know that he does. Isn’t that what friends are for? “I’d rather live in the memory of it forever than to remember it for something it’s not.”
Scott doesn’t answer, but Carol knows he’s reaching for (Y/N), to her hand, a shoulder, anywhere he could touch that would mean he understood and gave his silent support. There are common losses in there, the phantom of a pain Carol couldn’t even begin to understand. She supposes its good for them to have each other, whatever way that may be.
Something she was sure of; she could never be what Scott Summers was to (Y/N).
And she smells like lemongrass and sleep
She tastes like apple juice and peach
Oh, you would find her in a Polaroid picture
And she means everything to me
(Y/N) comes to her when the nightmares get too ugly.
At least when she’s around on Earth for them. And because they do, get too ugly, way too many times for Carol not to hurt about it, but she’s happy enough that it’s her bedroom door (Y/N)’s knocking on when she could easily enough go to Bucky, Steve, Sam, or Tony, who suffer from the same demons and wear their PTSD on their sleeve as easily as (Y/N) does.
Carol stopped asking after the first few nights, now used to just letting her in and petting her hair as (Y/N) rests her head on her lap, lulling her to sleep with soothing, repetitive movements against her scalp and back. Sometimes she starts dreaming again even under Carol’s care, mutters name the pilot hasn’t heard before, and some she has. A mix of Alex, please, no, don’t, dad, stop him, Erik, I’m sorry, don’t hurt, Scott- bubble out of her throat, first as quiet laments until she’s screaming her lungs off, crying and jerking still under Carol’s ministrations.
She doesn’t talk about it. Sneaks out early in the morning before Carol wakes up but at breakfast makes sure to send a thankful look her way, which does help ease the knot that forms at her presence on Carol’s stomach.
One night she comes in with tears still rushing down her cheeks, and (Y/N) doesn’t have to speak for Carol to know her voice is hoarse from screaming and crying. She holds tight in one hand an old, tattered polaroid, a picture of a man in a wheelchair with a little girl sitting in his lap, grinning up at him with so much childish innocence, Carol feels it too greatly and gets the need to look away.
“It’s my dad,” (Y/N) murmurs when she catches her staring at it and sure, Carol should’ve known, not because they look alike but because of the admiration shining in (Y/N)’s eyes and the fondness on her father’s smiling back at her. Not her actual father, though Charles Xavier has proven himself as a man worthy of such an important title, considering her parents left her at his doorstep when she was barely a few hours old.
“Usually, they’re about people that are already gone,” (Y/N) explains, a little quieter and a little more heartbroken. Carol knows she’s talking about her nightmares, a sad shiver running through her spine before she stops her thoughts from derailing. She doesn’t have a right to be upset. “But tonight-”
She can’t bring herself to say it.
“I miss my dad,” (Y/N) whines instead, sounding awfully like a little girl asking for her daddy. Despite everything, Carol aches, too.
“I know,” is all the pilot can offer as a form of comfort, knowing not to push further due the fact that the mutant’s words already sound wet, sniffled enough to be close to tears. “I know you do.”
(Y/N) begins to cry silently against her pajama shorts and Carol pretends not to notice, except that she does, and if she tightens her grip around the mutant a presses a harsh kiss against her hair, just like she did when the mutant was recovering in the medbay after that mission, well. Neither of them mention it.
Oh, oh
Oh, oh
And I'll be okay
Admiring from afar
'Cause even when she's next to me
We could not be more far apart
Steve and Tony, against all expectations, manage to fall in love along the way.
There were fights and arguments and so many almost deaths they could no longer count them in both their hands, but if it's one thing Carol admires from them is their capacity to look at each other with more love than the last time, despite all.
The eyes are really the windows of the soul, she guesses.
The sweet aftermath of a mission well done reaches all members of the Avenger as the Quinjet flies them back home, all despite bruises and wounds and some comfortable silences that are threatening to swallow them whole.
Carol’s stare inevitably searches for (Y/N), and she finds her staring at Steve and Tony, during one of their post-mission-I’m-so-happy-you’re-not-dead public yet somehow incredibly private displays of affection, all fond eyes and soft, lingering hands in places where the eager eye usually isn’t looking. Wrists where pulse points can be easily found, the arc reactor where warm light reassures Steve Tony’s alive despite all expectations, fingers searching to outline bruises that will either be fading within a few hours, days or months. Anything to make sure the other is there, with them, and they’re not taking a ghost back home.
Carol wishes she could have that sort of reassurance to rely on.
“You’ve ever fallen in love like that?” Quiet and somewhat hesitant. She probably wouldn’t be opening that can of worms if she weren’t so overwhelmed by what Carol guesses it’s nostalgia along with exhaustion bordering on delirious.
She’s never been more beautiful, and Carol can’t look away. Neither can (Y/N), both of them from their significant target.
“Can’t say I have, no.”
Silence.
Hesitation.
Carol breathes in, let’s go.
“You?”
“A long time ago,” is all she answers, face barely reacts at whatever memory might be passing through her head. Later, after another one of her nightmares, she will dare to talk about Alex Summer midst sleepy sadness. She will ramble to Carol about meeting each other when they were teenagers, falling in love while discovering their powers and helping Charles with the school, losing him first to Vietnam and then to the PTSD, lastly to his own powers after sacrificing himself to save them from Apocalypse. The nightmares that followed, the never ending almost dead haze she falls in and in which she sees him as a promising afterlife. Right now, though, she only shrugs it all off. “Don’t do it anymore. Hurts too much.”
Didn’t Carol know.
“Yeah.”
And she tastes like birthday
Cake and story time and fall
But to her
I taste of nothing at all
“You love her.”
Carol would’ve jumped at Rhodey’s gentle jab, the man worthy of War Machine suddenly at her side, if she weren’t used to the Avenger’s bullshit by now.
It’s one of Tony Stark’s many gala dinners in which he wears a gorgeous black tux along a gorgeous super soldier by his side. Carol’s wearing a silky lavender colored gown, blonde hair gorgeously curled down, nails perfectly made and eyes, as always vigilant, darting across the room looking for what, who she’s always been after.
“Don’t even try to pretend you don’t know who I’m talking about,” Rhodey, as always the best friend figure, is not too intrusive nor too easy on her, and God knows why, Carol appreciates it. “You’re the literal description of heart eyes.”
“What?” she must not understand the reference, cause Rhodey only grins to himself and grabs two glasses of champagne from a passing waiter. Carol accepts the alcohol gladly, even though both of them know that due the energy running through her veins doesn’t allow her to get drunk, no matter how much she wishes she could sometimes.
“You love her,” he says again, and there’s something not quite pitying but rather kind on Rhodey’s stare that still makes Carol look away nevertheless. It’s not a question, it’s a simple statement that has so much truth in it, it almost makes her wanna puke. God knows how she’s managed to get this far with the feeling crushing her ribs and poking at her heart whenever she even looked at (Y/N).
Who, speaking of, is found by Carol’s masterfully disguised as bored stare, and something in the pilot relaxes. The mutant is grinning at something Bucky’s saying, leaning against Wanda as she takes another sip of Tony’s expensive champagne, not yet opting for Thor’s Asgardian liquor that does have the power to get her tipsy enough before the mutant gene washes it all away from her system.
“It’s so great to see you like this,” Rhodey continues, and at Carol’s raised eyebrows that clearly spell, you wanna say that again, boy? he can’t help but laugh, loud and carefree just as Carol hasn’t felt in a long, long time. “Feeling things, I mean. Clint was sure that you were actually a cyborg, and he and Scott got a bet going on about who can get you to cry first.”
“Is this why they insisted on watching The Notebook the last movie night I was here?” Carol feels something like affection for her team bubble on her stomach as she turns back to find (Y/N) quickly in the crowd. “It was good, I mean, just not tearjerker good.”
“Not tearjerker good- Did you not see that ending?” Red lips can’t help but to raise in a smirk at Rhodey’s incredulous tone. He shakes his head, breathes out and turns them back to the conversation at hand before Carol gets to change the subject completely. “What I meant- It’s good to feel things, y’know. They make us human, and human is good. But it’s even better to let them out. You don’t talk about them and they grow ugly things inside of you.”
“There’s nothing to talk about,” Carol insists, still resisting to meet his eye, and as far as she knows, she’s right. Because she’s gotten to know (Y/N) as good as she knew herself, once, before destructive energy rushed through her system and before her blood turned blue and before they tried her to strip her from her humanity, not realizing that falling in love could destroy whatever progress they thought they were making on her.
And she knows the mutant well enough that she’d given up on love a long time ago, after Alex Summers and being stripped of her humanity herself, until she got too tired of watching everyone she loved decay and die around her, so she closed herself off to that sort of pain. She wonders what kind of the ugly things Rhodey had mentioned (Y/N)’s got echoing around in her head. And, against her better judgement, she wonders if she could get rid of some of those demons.
Human is good, human is good, human is good, she repeats to herself like a mantra, until Rhodey’s voice becomes her own and she tries for her heart to settle against her chest.
At the other side of the room, (Y/N) smiles and Carol has never been more in love.
“I’m sure there isn’t,” Rhodey’s sarcastic remark cuts through her rapid train of thoughts, there’s a hand on her shoulder that grounds her enough for her to listen to his last advice.
“Tell her.”
And she smells like lemongrass and sleep
She tastes like apple juice and peach
Oh, you would find her in a Polaroid picture
She doesn’t tell her.
She wanted to, though. That much she can admit to herself because it’s true, during her midnight comforts or before a too dangerous mission, after one of Stark’s galas when (Y/N)’s make up is almost all gone and she looks more exhausted than ready to party but Carol believes her to be more beautiful then.
It rests at the tip of her tongue, always, she has gotten used to those three words hanging around and making a home of the roof of her mouth, sharing room with the fear of losing the mutant’s friendship if she dared to speak them up.
It’s easier this way, she tells herself as she catches (Y/N) laughing mid movie night, Game Night being Clint’s choice of the week and so far, being a success. The mutant’s sitting in between Sam and Carol herself, who’s leaning against the edge of the couch as she does what she knows best to deal with this desire that doesn’t seem to fade away, she stares.
She stares as (Y/N) obliviously catches her and grins back, crediting the easy, content features on the pilot’s face to the idiotic movie playing in the background.
She’s fine. It’s fine. Even if this is all she gets to have, somehow, it’s enough.
And she means everything to me
Yes, she means everything to me
She means everything to me
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hey, bitches
just wanted to get this fic out of my system, i had the idea in my mind for some time and i noticed there’s only a few carol danvers fics here so, here it is!
i'll try to get to work on some other fics i've got in my drafts, y’know that feedback and suggestions are always appreciated, and my requests are always open.
toodles,
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jonsacrimes · 6 years ago
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marvel infinity war part 2 / endgame rant
I WROTE THIS ON MY TWITTER AS WELL (@jonsaunites)
avengers endgame is a good movie ok but..............................it LOOKS more intelligent than it actually is? like at times it felt like inception, prisoner of azkaban, predestination etc. but messier. UNPLANNED is the word here. they basically trapped themselves in an xmen type of a situation like...it’s kind of cheap to go back and change the previous movies like that? i mean, so did any of those things that happened ever actually happen or nah? they were never building up to this time travel storyline and it SHOWED. it was fun to see the past from their future selves perspective BUT it felt so senseless at times, the way they went about it. plot holes. plotholes. plotholes. is how i would describe this movie lol. like i know i’m expecting more from a marvel movie than i probably should but IM JUST SO ANGRY URGHHH. russo brothers made marvel more than it ever could have been, they literally expanded the scale of this story so much but in the end this story kept getting bogged down by the the nature of marvel movies (fact that it is also for children) marvel’s formula etc. they HAD to sweep in those lame jokes and cut across the entire tension of the scene, they HAD to have that biiiiiiiiig fight sequence because oh every marvel movie needs to have a big fight sequence. and the way they built up to it was so half assed???? thanos from the past coming to the future and fighting the avengers from the future in the present??? huh?????? this movie had so many important themes going on underneath all of the drama which they were only able to LIGHTLY touch upon bec of time constraints etc. like ... they could’ve easily cut down on some things but nopeee what business did captain marvel had being in this movie!??? whatever ideas ant man came up with could’ve easily been given by someone else!??? the emotional crux of the movie was delving into these relationships that they built with so much effort over a period of 10 long years. but they had SO MANY things to do, SO MANY characters to take care of all of those very important character moments got sacrificed. not that they didn’t give us bits and pieces (howard/tony, peggy/steve) but that’s all it will ever be: breadcrumbs.
just because there are so many characters to deal with doesn’t mean you have to deal with them. maybe sometimes you gotta let some things go to really capture the emotional thrusts of a story. you have to decide which type of plot holes you can live with and which plot holes will actually help the story preserve its emotional capacity. i feel like when it comes to ending a story, that is where writers go wrong every. single. damn. time. this is an art that has not been mastered in these contemporary times yet. EH IDK. i’m just not satisfied except with captain america’s arc and the way they chose to culminate it. even though that falcon/steve scene didn’t make me feel much. ALSO im so happy how this whole show ended up tying to captain america’s story. an ending they weren’t able to give him in his own movies. also ,, ? i did not feel anything for iron man tbh. his character arc culminated in iron man 3 and that was supposed to be it. his role in the rest of the movies just felt so dragged on that when he died it was like.....yeah ok. whatever. you weren’t supposed to be here in the first place. meh.
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jacensolodjo · 5 years ago
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To be fair, it is less villain, more antagonist. Which, yes, there is a difference. A subtle one but with Nat a very important one!
I think, if people do love MCU Nat, they do actually need to read the comics. And this is less "ugh real fans read comics" and more "if you want more Nat and want to understand more read the comics". Because while yes, MCU and comics do have differences (which they must anyways...) you can get more out of the comics.
What's funny tho is if you started out with the comics you end up wondering what happened with the movies because they kinda... fuck up her skill and everything else? And also her background is left with a giant question mark in the movies whereas with the comics you get something like: stolen and raised to be an assassin during the Cold War. Never had a childhood, never knew softness. Forced to kill or would be killed instead. Was pretty much the only survivor of the program that indoctrinated her and made her be Black Widow. Eventually did become an Avenger/part of Shield but in less of a roundabout way than /just/ 'tried to kill an Avenger/Iron Man'. Because... well read on. Because technically yes that still happened in that way but... yeah.
The problem is the fact that if the same people had the xmen license as the ones with the avengers, you'd get a better Nat picture! Everyone who follows me: ugh not this again. But no, hear me out!!
Nat defected from the Soviet union because of an Xmen. a very famous xmen. Wolverine. And she was partially trained by him. But because they didnt have the license, they kinda had to weave a different story (pun... sorta intended). At least, that is how I feel about it. Facts may be different but I fully believe if all the marvel chars were in the same true universe we wouldn't have half the problems we do (... like the Maximoff twins).
And yes, comics Nat has like half a dozen origin stories and that is on purpose. But even one of them would be better than what we got in MCU and why I feel MCU Nat got stiffed. Because you have to do what this thread says: try to pick out her past from the tiny shards we get in the movies.
But, the big problem is no matter which origin story in the comics? You need Wolverine! Dude has been around since the American Civil War (1860s) sometimes considered even longer (the xmen movies have him born like in time to be a part of the Revolutionary War, aka the 1770s). Like you cannot have the Nat I love without Wolverine and yes you can argue about the feminism of it (ugh woman needs man to be a person) the fact remains if we had wolverine we wouldn't have 'nat was supposed to be a villain?' She defected from the Soviets because of the xmen/avengers/shield and never would have been what she was without the Soviets. There is a reason it is called the Red Room. But Wolverine saved her. Trained her.
but even without Wolverine she is still not a pure villain! Because if you can turn Winter Soldier into a tragic character you can fully do that with Black Widow because she was made to be what she was by the fucking Soviets! She never once decided to be an assassin. She was forced into it. Which is why she isnt a villain even in the movies because she never once was hinted at deciding to do what she did. She was forced. Villains aren't forced. Antagonists are.
Also those instances of attacking Iron Man in the comics? Also forced. By??? The Soviets. Painted a villain. More antagonist. By the time she was attacking Iron Man in the comics, she was already on the road to defection anyways cause of Hawkeye (also involved with attacking Iron Man). Ergo, not a villain. A girl, then a woman, forced to (try to) assassinate people the Soviets wanted dead.
As a side note, she was also forced to marry a Soviet pilot who eventually became the Soviet answer to Captain America, known as the Red Guardian. She didnt know that part because the Soviets lied and said he was killed in action. So, uh, yeah. Fuck the Soviets lmao
TL; DR Black Widow is not a villain but a tragic antagonist.
[Endgame spoilers, intentionally vague]
It is immensely frustrating to me that, by definition, anyone who knows the history of how women in comics are treated probably ALSO has at least osmosed a fair amount of Natasha’s backstory.
Because even when we think we’re evaluating MCU Natasha, all of us- those who love her arc and those who hate it and those who don’t much care either way- are actually evaluating the sum total of MCU Natasha plus the work the actual comics have done over decades, which became fanon because canon doesn’t contradict it and in fact leans into it but never actually says anything about it for the audience who doesn’t read comics. And I can’t figure out what part of what those of us in the center over here are saying actually applies to the vast majority of audiences, who don’t know that much.
(Where am I going to find those answers? I have no idea, but it’s probably not on Tumblr or at my local comic shop or at ComicCon.)
And this leads me to a really interesting and important question in how we evaluate a 22-movie franchise which was based on an 80-year-old franchise.
If you only see this movie, does the arc need to resonate? What if you’ve casually watched the MCU? What if you’ve obsessively watched the MCU but have no interest in the comics? What if you’re well-schooled in Wikipedia but not interested in comic books? What if you’ve read every comic? What if you’ve read every comic for one character but not another?
Aren’t each of these groups having a fundamentally different journey at the movie theatre?
Who is the intended audience of the MCU, and are they being served?
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movieiwatchedtonight · 8 years ago
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Monthly Movie Recap: March 2017
Monthly Movie Recap: March 2017 
March was slow for movies for me, I had was out of town for two weeks and was super busy at school so I didn't get to the theater as much as I would have liked. This month I was able to see Logan, Beauty and the Beast, and Power Rangers. I saw Power Rangers twice but the other two I only saw once. 
 Did anyone else feel like March was the month of nostalgia movies? Especially with Beauty and the Beast and Power Rangers. To some extent you could argue for Logan as well. 
Ranked favorite to least; I would go with Logan first, Power Rangers second, and Beauty and the Beast third. 
Logan: It did not come to a shock for me that that Logan was my favorite movie this month. 
(This is a copy of my post from right after I saw it, and since I haven't seen it again, I can't add anything new until I see it again)
I had been anticipating this movie since I first saw the trailer. I had recently really invested myself in the Marvel universe and was very excited for this movie. I saw it opening night (technically the Thursday before since my local theater allows Thursday night showings) with my dad and my brother. They liked it as well. I was interested in the R rating.I thought that it was a good amount of like blood and gore, but I also don’t get shifty around that kind of stuff in movies. I just recently started to get into the whole marvel and XMen world but honestly this movie was so good and I didn’t necessarily feel like I had to watch anything else to understand what was happening. Having the basic understanding of who Logan and Charles are would probably be helpful though. I loved the tone of the trailers, how I got kind of a western vibe from it and I thought it carried over into the movie too which I was really impressed by because lately I feel like trailers are not matching up to their movies. Also you know how in some movies, all the fight scenes are shown in the trailers and nothing is really a surprise? Yeah, not here. I felt like I got so much more from it. Yes it was an action movie but I also didn’t really feel like it was because it had a pretty solid story that I wanted to follow as well, not just watch the fight scenes. It was also a two and a half hour (about) movie but it did not feel like it at all, I think because it help my interest the whole time, it made the movie seem shorter because I was so engrossed in it. There was always something going on but it never felt like overwhelming or too busy or rushed. Timing was great. I’m so happy it was rated r because I feel like if it was pg-13 than it would have lost a lot of important moments. Plus there wouldn’t be as much use of the f word. Which by the way I did not feel was overused or used inappropriately, it always felt like it was well placed, whether in frustration, rage, or comedic. Dafne was absolutely amazing was Laura. She’s what, eleven years old? She was just so good and caused me to die like a dozen times. She’s eleven and did such a good job with how violent and gory this movie is. Laura was ruthless at times, if she got upset that was it and she was going full force, decapitating people, ripping them up and all. I was so intrigued by her because I never knew what she was going to do next, and if I thought I did, I was wrong and she did something completely different. When she first spoke, I don’t know why but I just assumed she would speak English, but when she spoke I was so impressed because that’s how it should be and I don’t know why I thought any differently. I love how yes she was ruthless and violent but you also saw that she was still a little girl. Playing with the buttons on the elevator, messing with the car window switch, riding the horse outside the gas station, and finally at the end when she calls him Daddy just broke me because she’s so young and even though she’s see so much, done so much, she’s still a little girl somewhere in there. Some of my favorite moments from her include when she decided to drive the car to get Logan to urgent care, her clinging to the picture of her and the other kids, when she called Logan daddy, her speech at his makeshift funeral, and I think the best moment of all: when she turned Logan’s cross into an X. An odd phrase that I can’t completely remember but something along the lines of that people can be considered weapons of mass destruction and that really stuck out for me. Emotions. Emotions. Emotions Just all over the place but that’s what makes it so good, the emotions are just so fitting. It was almost hard for me to see this is a superhero movie because it wasn’t. And it’s not just like “oh well yeah this is a good superhero movie” no like this is just a great movie, regardless of superhero context. Overall, I can’t say enough good things about this movie. I’m not-so-patiently waiting for the next time I have a chance to watch it. It was a road trip, literally and figuratively, in the way that it was about the journey. 
Watch Again?: I’m trying to see it again as soon as possible. Like trying to skip my gym class to see it 
Will I watch the sequel?: I don’t know if sequel is the right word to use here but the answer is still (and always will be) YES 
Power Rangers: I'm surprised at how much I enjoyed this movie. I knew that I would see this movie after seeing the trailer, I've been into the whole superhero/action movies lately and this seemed up that ally. But I did not expect to like it as much as I did. Now when I say that I know nothing about Power Rangers, I mean it. Not like when I say I don't know much about superheroes but I really kinda do, no like I really don't know anything about Power Rangers aside from the toys my brother played with as a kid. I went to see it with my mom, dad, and brother the first time; they do not share my opinion. I personally really liked it, some aspects felt childish but then I had to remind myself that I was literally watching a Power Rangers movie. I felt like the first two thirds of the movie was great, beyond my expectations, but fell in the third act. Here were some thoughts I wrote down while watching the movie the second time: 
 Did I walk into the remake of The Breakfast Club? 
soundtrack was excellent; especially the song they ended on. Not the song in the credits but right before that 
besides HandClap in the training scene, that could have been better  
Kimberly cutting her hair in the bathroom was a little too on the dot 
No one is as mean and blunt as those girls who literally cut Kimberly out of the picture 
Jason Scott looks like a mix between a young Zac Effron and Chris Pine 
Billy directly says he's on the spectrum so there o tip-toeing around it 
I love Jason and Billy's friendship 
When Jason reminds Billy to keep breathing
"I got you buddy," 
Kimberley made a horrible mistake, horrible choice, but someone reminds her that it doesn't make her a horrible person and I love that  
Bill Hader for Alpha 5 was such a good choice. He was funny and cute. Reminds me of BB8 in a way 
“Different color coins. Different Kids, different color kids!” 
The scene of Billy in the water when the first find Zordon's ship, that was beautiful  
The way Zordon was able to move around to talk to the different Rangers was pretty neat 
Trini isn't straight and it was just insinuated, it was addressed 
Jason's graphic tees are awesome and I want to know where I can get them 
My favorite is "Cash Only" 
I like how it's questioned if they'll still be friends when it's all over 
Rita's colors and costume remind me of Loki from the avengers but it still looked awesome 
"I'll show you mine if you show me yours" 
There's not really a romance and I love it 
I love them passing notes to each other, especially the lighting bolt at the end 
"We should start a band" 
How the hell do they know how to work the megazord right away? 
 There's no way they could even know how to work their own, let alone the mega where each person controls a different limb 
But making it dance at the end was pretty cool 
Does Jason have a little sister? There's a pink bike in his yard and a little girl holding his hand at the fishermen's funeral 
The way they carried Billy all the way back after he died, and the song was perfectly paired with it 
"No one dies alone" 
 Jason's sword (I guess that's what you would call it) is very Psylocke from XM:A but I'm still into it 
Is "Hold the line" a reference I don't understand because I don't get football? 
I can't tell if I love the use of the 90's power rangers song or hate it 
Not a single person woke up when Rita visited Trini? Nor did anyone question the holes in the wall? 
"Sorry Bumblebee!" 
The Krispy Kreme product placement was done well, I didn't feel slapped in the face with it 
Speaking of being slapped in the face, that's how they defeat Rita? 
Ok but like Angel Grove is still in ruins after all of that right? 
Tommy Oliver or Tomi Oliver? Either way I'm in  
Watch again?: Yes, probably not in theaters again but will for sure rent it and buy the DVD 
Will I watch the sequel?: Yes 
Beauty and the Beast: I honestly thought I would like this movie more than I did. I'm a huge Disney fan but honestly I just wasn't feeling this movie. It's been a long time since I've watched the original but I decided not re-watch the original going into this because I didn't want to just be comparing the two the whole time. The technical aspects were amazing and really well done. What I did love about this movie (I feel like I should start with the good stuff) was the music! It was excellent! My favorite was Be Our Guest, that is also my favorite from the original though. I loved the scene where she is teaching a little girl how to read and when she told Gaston that she didn't want to have dinner and it wasn't because she was busy, just didn't want to, that was awesome. The costumes, where Disney excelled with Cinderella, I thought was a little short here. I did really like the opening scene where everyone was in elaborate white outfits. I wasn't really a fan of the jacket type things Belle wore a few times. But I did like her 'blue dress'. Now the yellow dress. I just didn't like it, I didn't like the necklace choice but I did enjoy the hairstyling. I felt like I was looking at Emma Watson in a Belle inspired costume, not looking at Belle. The last dress, the while floral one, it was alright. I was indifferent about it, didn't love it but didn't hate it. I loved the castle though, I thought it was beautiful. Ugh I would love to have a library like that and those chandeliers were gorgeous!
I was actually frustrated with myself because everything technically about this movie was great, I just didn't really enjoy it. It was fine, good, but not outstanding for me. Maybe I had too high of expectations from how much I loved Cinderella. But it was like when you try on a shirt and it fits well, it's made well, good price, everything's technically great about it but you just don't like it. You don't know why, there's no real logical reason, you just don't like it. That's kind of what this movie felt like for me. 
Watch Again?: yes, I feel like I should
Will I watch the sequel?: I don't think think that's the right word, but I will always watch any Disney movie so yes 
Overall: March was a pretty solid month for movies. There's a couple that came out this month I wasn't able to see this month but will get to in April. Also tons of trailers started to be released towards the end of the month, which is getting me excited for the summer movie season. I wish I could have gone to the theater more this month, just didn't work out, but I am extremely happy with the movies I was able to see. 
Next month: I'm most looking forward to Gifted released in April. Will also probably see Smurfs: The Lost Village with my best friend because she loves kid movies and I take any excuse to go to the movies. Also I never got around to seeing Before I Fall this month because it left my local theater so quickly so hopefully next month I will.
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pink-kitty-kela · 6 years ago
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Avengers: Endgame (WARNING SPOILERS)
I watched Endgame last night. This is my personal opinion of the movie, you are more than welcome to have your own. Don’t like it? You are not obligated to read! 😉
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Hmm.
Now that I got that big spoiler wall out of the way, here goes my thoughts: 
Infinity War made me leave the theater speechless, looking like (*〇□〇)……!
But after leaving Endgame, I was kinda like... ┐(゚~゚)┌  I think it may be because at the end of Infinity War, you don't know what to expect, and in Endgame, it was more like...conclusive? Like, there isn’t really anywhere else to go, except I guess... new generation Avengers. 
I’ll admit, someone was soft-spoiling me about the movie, so I unfortunately wasn’t going in as blind as I hoped. That kinda pissed me off the whole day, but whatever. Basically any emotional/sad ending scenes I was already expecting, so it really took the wind out of my sails. 
Anyways, Endgame wasn’t necessarily a bad movie, but it definitely pales in comparison to Infinity War. Was it a good conclusion for the last decade of Marvel movies? I kind of have a...resounding “Sure...” I feel neither overwhelmed or underwhelmed. Just...whelmed. 
Btw, RLM just released their Half-in-the-Bag about Endgame, and honestly, I agree with basically most of their review. 
I feel like the parts of the movie that were good were REALLY good, but the gripes/nitpicks/questions I have for the movie now... stick out.  
Let me get the positives out of the way:
Visuals and action scenes are top notch! And when everyone comes back (despite it being...a little too convenient??), it is a really epic ass moment, especially when Captain America FINALLY SAYS THE THING. 
I like how most of the characters had at least a scene of emotional closure. 
There were some witty jokes and one-liners did make me laugh! 
Morgan is cute! And teenager!Cassie is adorable! ...now I want cheeseburgers. 🍔
Even though I had issues with the time travel aspect of the movie, I did like the nostalgic flash backs to the previous movies, like the first Avengers movie. 
Honestly, the back and fourth between the Avengers was pretty spot-on. The Russo Brothers are really good at knowing how each and every character works. 
Uh...Spiderman coming back was pretty cool! No matter what he did, his interactions were always solid. 
Um...that’s it. 
Now I’ll move onto my gripes questions I had for the movie: 
The biggest issue in the movie, to me personally anyways, was definitely the TIME TRAVEL aspect. Now look, I’m not coming into Avengers expecting them to have the mechanics of time travel down like goddang Primer, but I was hoping for a decent, tight time traveling with little need for hand waving. 
The one thing I was kind of expecting was the alternate branches of timelines being a thing (with all the talk about quantum physics), but then they had to close the loop on one timeline... which is fine... but when Captain America stays in the past... that breaks the first rule they established of the Avengers being unable to change the past but only their future (hence why they were bringing the stones back to the future, snapping, and then returning the stones). Future Captain America going back to the past to spend his life with Peggy CHANGES the past, not to mention... wouldn’t there be... two Captain Americas running around?? 
...WHAT I’M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT THE TIME TRAVEL BEGAN TO BREAK IT’S OWN RULES FOR THE SAKE OF CLOSURE WHEN I PERSONALLY THINK STEVE ROGERS HANDING THE BATON TO SAM COULD’VE BEEN DONE BETTER WITHOUT IT BREAKING THE TIME TRAVEL RULES
Also, Iron Man and Antman screwing up and not getting the Tesseract cube thingy and having Loki escape breaks the past? Because??? In the first Avengers, Loki is captured with Thor, but....in this past he escapes?? I’m assuming he gets caught later on, but too late and that’s why Iron Man and Captain America have to execute plan B to get the Tesseract. That’s...fine... but it’s not mentioned in the movie... 
Okay, now that I think about it more, I think the movie threw out the “We can’t change the past” line just so people can’t be all like, why aren’t the Avengers preventing very bad things from happening like peoples’ deaths or terrorism or blah blah blah. Mainly because logically speaking, the Avengers traveling to the past at all changes the past period. But...I’ll let that slide, I guess... 
Another thing that kind of bothered me was Captain Marvel’s inclusion. It was the issue of Superman or Quicksilver in the Xmen movies - you can’t have too strong of an OP character in a movie, or...well, it’d be a very short movie. My issue, though, was that it felt that the reason she was out of the movie (planet tremors????) was kind of... flimsy?? I just think the Russo Brothers could’ve definitely 1) wrote her more interesting, 2) given her something to work with (flaws? personal conflict?? SOMETHING???)  
Also, another thing pointed out by RLM, how was Iron Man able to recreate a gauntlet that would hold all the Infinity Stones vs. Eitri (Peter Dinklage’s character in Infinity War) having to create very special, POWERED BY SUN gauntlet? Also, how was Iron Man’s own iron suit hand able to even hold the stones in the first place at the end, assuming it was an impromptu move...? 
ON THAT NOTE, why the F*CK didn’t Captain Marvel just use the gauntlet??? She was carrying it??? And (assuming how effing OP she is) she probably could’ve easily put it on and snapped her fingers. And probably say some stupid sassy one-liner like “Was that even hard you guys?” 😏 But I digress, I couldn’t stop thinking about this last night, all because now that I realize that she could’ve done that, it really took out the importance of Iron Man’s sacrifice. THERE WAS NO NEED FOR HIM TO DIE IF GOD DANG CAROL DANVERS JUST SNAPPED HER FINGERS?! Sorry. I’m upset. 
Speaking of OP, Thanos was WAYYYYYY too OP. Like...weirdly too OP for some big purple guy not having any of the Infinity Stones. I get that when Thor, Captain America, and Iron Man weren’t exactly at 100% when they first went up against him (they did just come crawling out of a bombed building), they should’ve easily took him down. Like I get that they kind of had to amp up his strength in the third arc to raise the stakes, but it took me out of the movie considering he had... zero stones. 
Speaking of OP, Scarlet Witch should’ve totally been able to take him out. She held her own when Thanos had four stones, and in Endgame, he had, as I remind you, none!
As cool as the big third act battle was, it was pretty cringey when all the girl superheroes got together and were basically like, “Girl Power!” Marvel...I get it. You love and respect women. You don’t have to lay it thick on the audience how cool the womens are. It just...felt unnecessary? 
Also wasn’t a fan of him being all like, “I’ll just recreate the universe!” So much for him being somewhat sympathetic at the end of Infinity War. I was kind of hoping for a bit of a twist where he realizes his mistake, but no, he has to be the big bad guy. I’m kinda with Jay from RLM, it’d be cooler if the conflict of the story was mostly on the time travel shenanigans without the need to drag Thanos back in. 
One personal gripe I have is I actually thought Hawkeye should’ve taken the sacrifice, not Black Widow. I love them both, and I did like the small callbacks they did in the first Avengers but I mean...so much for that Black Widow movie people were clamoring about. Also, they were super doubling down on that family he had that no one asked for so...yay, I guess. 😒
Speaking of closure, I’m kind of annoyed that there was actually zero mention of poor Vision. Which begs the question of how they’re going to...explain that in the Disney+ show. I guess you could say it takes place before he dies but...that’s kind of lame. 
Poor Peter Quill didn’t have to be done in like that! He barely recovered from losing everything he loved, and you make his love interest beat him up. 😒 That was a slap to the face to poor Starmora fans. Unless they found that funny, idk? 
I personally didn’t like how they handled Thor in this movie. It was fine in Infinity War, because while he had more the comedic bits, there was still brevity in his character. In Endgame, he’s literally a total joke and a butt monkey they entire time. I felt that no one had any real respect for him, and the times when his implied trauma and anxiety were brought up, it kind of turned into a joke?? And there wasn’t really a satisfying arc to his character, he was just know lame, schlubby, and funny? Like, if this was done with a female character, no one would be laughing and also there would be riots on the streets imo. I’m not one of those people screeching “fatphobia” but I really didn’t like how Thor was handled. I get that he’s better off as a comedic character, but they went too far with hi in those terms. I’m fine with him leaving to go with the GotG, but it’s annoying that they didn’t even bother bringing Sif back, wtf.
The tone of Endgame as a whole was starting to feel almost like Age of Ultron, where the balance between funny/witty began to outweigh against the seriousness of the situation.  
Also, while I did like the send-off they gave to Iron Man, it was really jarring how... conveniently everything turned out when the 50% population just suddenly CAME BACK TO EXISTENCE. Like... Peter coming back to high school presumably only a few weeks/months after coming back? And the high school looks practically brand new and intact??? At the beginning of the movie, the shots all over the world look practically post-apocalyptic. Sending everyone back won’t solve everything, there would still be chaos you guys. 
Obviously these are just QUESTIONS that I don’t have answers to, so if you do, let me know! 
Like...I’m understanding of the passing the baton thing. The actors all the way from Phase One are basically retiring, so they’re gearing up to casting the new Avengers. That’s fine. I just...wasn’t a fan of the “things happening because plot” thing that I felt happened more than twice in the movie.
It kind of felt the same as when I left The Last Jedi, where the more I thought about it, the more things started to not make sense, even though I was at least entertained in the theater. 
My poor SO, he was feeling a bit pessimistic after the movie. He says while he does find Marvel movies enjoyable, they’re no longer exciting as they were a few years ago. I remember being so excited to see Captain America: Civil War and Guardians of the Galaxy on opening night a few years back, but now, we watched Thor: Ragnarok on DVD and didn’t even bother with Captain Marvel.
I think we’re kind of tired of the “Marvel Formula.” It’s fine that people still enjoy Marvel movies, but they’re all starting to become...samey. Predicticable? And all the female characters are starting to be all samey as well. Sassy, witty, and sorta annoying. It’s like Disney doesn’t know how to make decent female characters that aren’t sassy and/or into science. It’s kind of boring now. Also please Disney I’m begging you no more woke millennial humor please
I didn’t mean to go on a rant, I still honestly like Marvel movies and it’s great how far we’ve come. I’m just annoyed that Endgame was more messier than I’d like, and I didn’t get enough closure from the whole cast, despite it being a 3-hour movie. I think at the very end, despite the big battle scene, I was really feeling the bloat from so many characters all in the Marvel universe.
I’ll probably give Avengers: Endgame a 7.6/10. I would tell people to go watch it, but I’ll probably meme about it for a few days, then be done with it. Unlike Infinity War, I don’t really feel compelled to rewatch it again.  
That being said, I’m totally rooting for DC to give Disney a run of their money. Shazam was awesome, 10/10!! 
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echobasegazette · 8 years ago
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The Superhero Email Chain
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A little while back, I exchanged some emails with my buddy Ian regarding the most recent superhero films. Originally I was going to post this article right before the first of the new films came out, but I got distracted. About two weeks ago, I found the file and decided that even though all of the films have been released, you can still find out what Ian and I thought about them before they were released. Here is the superhero email chain in all its glory.  
 Ian: Alright I am just going to give you my thoughts on all of the upcoming superhero films and put them in order with less likely to likely to flop.
1.       Captain America: Civil War- This movie is the least likely to fail. Simply put Marvel has already got a major foundation. They are too big to fail at this point with any of the major avenger characters (Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, and Hulk).
2.       X-men: Age of Apocalypse- I also think this is movie will not fail. Fox/Marvel has done a great job with advertising most of their movies and for the most part, they haven’t had any flops. I’m not saying they’ve all been good, but I do believe they are on the correct path. As long as they introduce some new characters and show them off a little I do not see how this movie could be a flop.
3.       Deadpool- I rated this one third because I am little bit torn about this film. Ryan Reynolds, in my opinion, is not necessarily meant to play a "Badass" superhero (he bombed with Green Lantern). Although his body of work is solid I am not sure he can pull this off. HOWEVER, Deadpool is not your typical superhero and Ryan may just be the perfect actor for the roll. Also we got a sneak peek of him kind of playing Deadpool in X-men Origins (Weapon XI). Due to his ability to talk and be cocky/annoying I think he may just pull Deadpool off. With that being said I am still on the fence with this film but ultimately, I do NOT think this will flop.
4.       Suicide Squad & Batman V.S Superman. – I think that these two are the most to flop and the main reason is due to the credibility of DC. I have not been blown away by any DC movies other than The Dark Knight trilogy. Don't get me wrong the trailers look incredible but I am still not sold.  
Questions
Will I eat my words with my statements about DC? Which movie in your case will be most likely to flop?  Which movie will most likely be a HIT?
 Ryan: I generally I agree with what you've said although I have some follow ups for you on each of the movies.
Captain America: I think Disney/Marvel has found the secret to superhero movie success and as long as people don’t get sick of the genre they will be successful. Personally I love Captain America. I think Chris Evans is awesome and the movies are great. I still think Winter Soldier was better than Avengers 1 and way better than the second Avengers film.  So I'm seeing this opening weekend, I'd be shocked if this failed.
X-men: Days of futures past was an awesome movie. And finally they have decided to bring out Apocalypse as a movie super villain; yes I am excited for this movie. My memories of Apocalypse are from the Saturday cartoons and it always brought all of the mutants together for epic battles so this should be great.
Deadpool: I like Ryan Reynolds and think this should be a good movie, he did a fine job in X-men Origins. But this could turn out to be a bad film. Maybe we are reaching the over-saturation point. Are there too many comic book movies?
Suicide Squad:  I hope this is good. I very badly want this to be good. It’s a different type of movie. It has Anti-heroes being heroes, that’s cool. Please be a good movie. Important side note: What was the last good Will Smith Action movie?
Batman vs. Superman: I think this is a stupid movie concept. I know they face off in comic books and Batman always wins, but it seems stupid that Superman would lose. Part of me wants this movie to do well. Batman is my favorite Superhero and I like Ben Affleck and think he’s a good actor. But Superman sucks. He’s sooooo good at everything, how is he going to lose to Batman? The guy's only power is money. I know the plan is to build off of this movie and start a Justice League Franchise (too many superhero movies???) but why would Superman actually need the Justice League? Superman's sidekick should just be a normal guy who shows up and takes away kryptonite from the villains, that’s the only thing he needs help with. All that being said I liked Man of Steel but I am worried this movie is not going to be good. When my mother saw the preview she said, "That’s dumb. How can Batman fight Superman?" For a superhero movie to do well you need non-fanboys to see it, and I don’t see that happening with either DC movie.
Here is what I want to know:
How is DC going to build a Justice league? They’ve already bombed with Green Lantern. Are they going to bring out Aquaman? Is Wonder Women going to get her own movies? What would the ideal..... Ignore those questions, here is the real question. Do people really care about the Justice League? Is anyone excited about these movies? Do you care?
What is the plan with X-Men? They have screwed up the timeline of the movies and they have jumped all over the place, and they beat Wolverine like a dead horse. What X-men need to get standalone movies? Or what story line do you want to see?
I don’t like Superman, do you?
 Ian: The last good Will Smith movie was I am legend btw lol. People, do care about the justice league for a couple reasons.
1.       For the most part everyone knows Batman and Superman... they might be the most popular superheroes in either universe (DC or Marvel).
2.       Generations- I know that my mom loves DC way more than marvel so in her book I can almost guarantee that she is excited for them.
3.       I think people (non-nerds) don't even know the difference between Marvel and DC. They classify superheroes as one big group. Personally I am more a marvel fan but I would love to see Justice League be successful just to see how another superhero conglomerate will play out.
 XMEN- I will admit to being biased towards X-men, they are my favorite!! I love them unconditionally and would love to see a lot more movies. But they need a Gambit movie.  I think there are plans but the actor is that guy from step up (Channing Tatum)........ damn that sucks. They definitely need to stop and go in a different direction. Personally, I think there best move is to constantly introduce new characters because seeing new abilities is awesome. I agree with you on Superman. To me he is to powerful and it doesn’t seem possible that he could be defeated. People talk about Hulk vs Superman as a good battle but I would think Superman would win that fight too.
What about Ant-man vs Superman? He takes a tiny piece of kryptonite and sticks it inside his brain…BOOM done!!!
Who do you think should get their movie or story line? How could we beat Superman? What is the difference between Wonder Women and Super Girl?
 Ryan: Okay, Let start with the easiest question Wonder Women vs. Super Girl: Wonder Women is the leader of the Amazons and her powers are super strength, the lasso of truth, and bracelets that deflect bullets. I think she also has an invisible plane, not sure if this counts as a power.  Super Girl is Superman's cousin and depending on the source she’s either as strong, or slightly stronger than Superman.  At some point Wonder Women was given the power of flight which then confuses people.
I love the X-men movies as well and Gambit was always my second favorite (Wolverine is #1). And so far they've only had Gambit in one movie, the Wolverine Origins movie. The part was played by Taylor Kitsch, and I thought he did a pretty good job. At the time, I was hoping they'd start having Gambit in more movies. But so far, no Gambit anywhere, he’s still only been in one film. And now I find out they are going to have Channing Tatum play Gambit. WTF? I am not excited about that. Nothing against Tatum, but I do not see him as a good fit for Gambit.
The one X-man who should be getting their own show is Bobby Drake the Iceman. Iceman is cool as hell, he should be next.  Channing Tatum? Yuck, that just ruined my day. Who should they cast as Gambit? Who would be a better option?
I hope they don’t go with a Cyclops movie; I’ve always hated that guy.
Superman could defeat every other hero out there including the Hulk that’s why he’s so lame. Why would anyone try and fight him?
I do like your Ant-Man idea, have you seen the new Ant-man movie?
Here’s how you beat Superman.... kryptonite!  If you don’t have it, then you don’t bother.
Do you think Wonder Women should get her own movie? Is Aquaman next? What other thoughts do you have about the DC universe Justice League?
Just based on the movies, what is the coolest X-men power? Which power would you choose? And which X-man has the lamest power?
 Ian: To start I did not know that about Wonder Women and that is a very good point! I would say the Taylor Kitsch should play gambit, not Channing Tatum. Wonder Women should get her own movie as long as they stick with Gol Gadot, she is smoking HOT. Aquaman would be interesting, but how would they do it and would it be cheesy?
The main reason that I would want to see Justice League is to see Marvel vs DC.... probably never happen but what if???
Who are the stupidest X-men?  How about the guy with the spikes that come out of his head?!? Dumb! How would that even be useful?
Also I think toad was a little stupid as well. His powers were a frog tongue and jumping, lame! Angel, the guy with the wings is somewhat lame. Sure flying would be cool but what else can he do?
Badass powers- Wolverine’s ability to heal is cool but when he gets metal claws he becomes awesome. What about Gambit and his kinetic energy!??!?!? AWESOME, anything becomes a weapon... and I love the idea of throwing playing cards.  Emma Frost’s diamond skin is really cool it’s basically impenetrable. I wouldn't mind having that depending on how it works.
Same question to you, just based on the movies, what is the coolest X-men power? Which power would you choose? And which X-men have the lamest power?  And if you could be one superhero who would it be and why based on style and being a badass. Here’s the ultimate superhero question, who would be your pick to save the world?
 Ryan: The DC universe worries me, Superman is lame and so is everyone else except Batman. But I will give DC a chance and see how it turns out. Aquaman is by far the worst I have no idea how that’s going to work out. They are of course going to have to bring Green Lantern back again, which might be hard with one movie bomb under his belt already. I think they should go with John Stewart who was the guy from the Justice league Cartoon.
So I do have some questions about a few powers: What’s the deal with Magneto? He appears to have unlimited abilities as long as it has to do with metal. They never even really talk about if it has to be magnetic. He just always has control over it. He also has some crazy control over what he can do with it. In the most recent movie he was able to bend and flex metal to the point that it infected circuits and allowed him to control robots. How would that even work?
Wolverine's healing powers just seem to have no bounds. The dude can heal himself regardless of the injuries. It’s so insane, he’s basically immortal.
I feel Gambit would be a really cool movie guy. Why haven't they had him in every film? And Taylor would have been a solid choice. Just wait Channing will awesome and this whole chain will look stupid because we both doubted him.
I am going to blow your mind: The worst X-man is Cyclops. While his powers are okay and probably pretty effective, there is just something about him that I hate. He's the worst, he dates the coolest lady mutant, everyone thinks he’s the leader, and I just don’t get it because he’s such a freaking loser. Go away Cyclops no one likes you.
The worst power was that guy with the spikes. I checked and he is listed as a Kid Omega, but the comic book version doesn’t have any spike powers he instead has cognitive and telepathic abilities. So that appears to have been a movie creation. Don't forget about the kid from the second movie who had the power to change the channels on the TV without getting up. Which is either the worst power or best, I’d have to think about.
If I could pick any hero the answer would be Batman. It’s not even really close. Batman is freaking awesome. Wolverine and Gambit would be 2nd and 3rd.
Batman can do it all. He is the most badass hero. He has the ultimate villain in the Joker. His gadgets are awesome. Its batman! He is also the hero to whom we all could hypothetically strive to be, he doesn’t have any “powers” he just has gadgets and he’s smart. This is also the reason that I hate the Justice league. It takes the most realistic superhero, and puts him into a weird ass world with Superman and Green lantern, guys with powers from other planets.
Out of all the superhero movies which are your favorites so far?
 Ian: Magneto apparently is a BEAST; you seem to be correct in that his ability is endless. To me he would be one hell of a guy to try to defeat. If you have too much iron in your body he will kill you from the inside.  I cannot really explain the control over robots unless they were 90% made out of metal. On top of all that how smart is the guy... he can control 10 robots while still talking and having an in depth conversation. I think it is safe to say he is a GENIUS.
Wolverine- I think his powers are pretty unreal however from what I have heard if his head is cut CLEAR off then he will not come back. IS his SPINE MADE OUT OF THAT ONE METAL?
Gambit- I have no clue why he has not been in more movies. And I agree that maybe we will have to shut our mouths and Channing will be great haha.
Cyclops- You d0 have a good point, he is kind of a preppy prick. Like a quarterback. I agree his powers are OK.... however they seem unpredictable and hard to control... almost to the point of pointlessness.
 What are my favorite superhero movies? Here is the list:
Guardians of the galaxy- Story was GREAT and I love Chris Pratt in that role. He does a great job. While the characters theoretically may be weak compared with other superheroes they are pretty cool.
League or Extraordinary Gentleman- Older DC comics movie however I thought it was great and I love those scary fairy taillish people and I loved it when I was younger, the movie the idea everything.
X-Men Last Stand- Three words: SO MANY XMEN!!
It’s hard for me to come up with some more- all the Avengers movies and Marvel characters are good in their own ways.
What are your favorite superhero movies?
 Ryan: Okay, I'd like to talk about a couple of movies that are underrated or not talked about at all.
Spider-Man 3- The first two movies are really awesome and they for sure screwed up the third one, mainly because they tried to do too much. They should have made it Venom vs. Spidy movie. Instead they added in Sandman (who the hell is this guy anyways) and there was too much going on with Harry Osbourne, three villains is just too much. But this is actually a pretty okay film, it’s better than its reputation.
The Amazing Spider-man- I think this series is actually pretty good. They killed Peter Parker's love interest too soon, which made everyone mad. And now they are scrapping this and trying again with a new guy? Too much Spider-man, personally I'm starting to get sick of him.
Mystery Men- This is goofy 90's spoof movie, but it has an awesome cast headlined by Ben Stiller and Geoffrey Rush. If you haven’t seen this movie, you should.
The Hulk movie with Edward Norten - I like Mark Rufflo as the hulk, but Edward Norten did a damn good job when he took over the flaming wreck that Eric Bana left behind. It’s not that people don’t like this movie, most people didn’t watch it because the first was so bad.
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen- I agree with you, I like this film.
Batman (1989)/Batman Returns- These have been lost to time because of the Dark Knight trilogy. This is current conversation:
-"Heath Ledger is the best joker ever."
- "Have you ever seen Jack Nicholson in Batman (1989), he was really good."
- "No."
-"Then how can you say that?"
-"Heath Ledger is the best joker ever."
People should check these two movies out, they are pretty good. Plus I like Kim Basinger.
Here is my current top 5.
1.       Captain America 2
2.       Guardians of the Galaxy
3.       Dark Knight
4.       X-men Days of future past
5.       Mystery Men
 Ian: I totally agree with the Spiderman comment and just getting to much of him right now. I think it’s definitely Sony trying to make a money grab. However, I will say I do like the new actor that they have playing spider man. Mainly because he looks and acts how I imagine Peter Parker would act.
Mystery Men!!! So funny I actually had to scroll down to see if I talked about mystery men as one of my top ones. I was honestly going to put in on there because it is so goofy and way out of the norm.
The first Hulk movie was bad and I do think that this turned away fans even though the second movie was better. I almost wish they would re-do it and go more into his story because I find him really interesting.
I do laugh at all the people that talk about the joker. I would say that 75% don't even know that Jack Nicholson played the joker. And that part in the restaurant when he paints everything, it’s a classic joker move.
 Ryan: Well I think it’s safe to say that we are both like superheroes way too much. But this year of superhero movies should be interesting to say the least.
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WARNING: This article contains discussion of sexual harassment and abuse.
American Crime Story: Impeachment follows the scandals and lawsuits that led to President Bill Clinton’s impeachment, which included sexual harassment accusations from several women like Paula Jones and Kathleen Willey. The American Crime Story season largely focuses on the perspective of Monica Lewinsky (Beanie Feldstein), a White House intern with whom Clinton (Clive Owen) had an ongoing sexual relationship. More than any of the men, Impeachment tells the stories of the women who were key players in the events leading up to Clinton’s impeachment and trial, which repeatedly showcased America’s sexism and treatment of women in the office and the media frenzy.
Although Monica Lewinsky never claimed she was sexually harassed by Bill Clinton, her relationship with him was used as proof in his pattern of abuse and affairs during the time he held high positions of power. Before Monica’s experience is shown in American Crime Story’s season, Impeachment sets up his story with a lawsuit for sexual harassment by Paula Jones (Annaleigh Ashford). In her allegation, Jones claimed that while Clinton was governor of Arkansas, he sexually propositioned her in a hotel room where he unwarrantedly exposed himself after she had already rejected his advances. Jones’ lawsuit picked up traction in the media, where several conservative figures assisted her in the case as they tried to bring Clinton down.
Related: Impeachment: American Crime Story – Why The Reviews Are So Mixed
Jones’ case was what truly began the real-life presidential impeachment of Bill Clinton, where he was accused of perjury after denying any sexual relationship with Lewinsky in his testimony. While Jones was the biggest player in his impeachment, plenty of other women came forward about past abuse, including White House aide Kathleen Willey, who is played by Elizabeth Reaser in American Crime Story. Willey claimed that Clinton groped her in his office without consent in 1993, an experience detailed in Impeachment episode 1 where she exposes the situation to co-worker Linda Tripp (Sarah Paulson). Following Jones and Willey’s public accusations, at least six other women have come forward accusing Bill Clinton of sexual harassment.
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Aside from Jones and Willey, the most highly publicized accusation was by Juanita Broaddrick, a former volunteer for Bill Clinton who accused him of sexually assaulting her during his 1978 gubernatorial campaign. The most recent public accusation has come from Leslie Millwee, who in 2016 claimed that Clinton, as the governor of Arkansas in 1980, sexually assaulted her on three separate occasions while she worked at a now-defunct Arkansas TV station. Other accusations include flight attendant Cristy Zercher from 1992, University of Oxford peer Eileen Wellstone in 1969, campaign staffer Sandra Allen James in 1991, and a former professor from the University of Arkansas who claimed Clinton groped a female student in his office while he was a professor.
Even if many of the accusations didn’t culminate in lawsuits, one thing is clear: Clinton had a pattern of sexual misconduct while in high positions of power. It’s also important to note that sexual harassment is not what Clinton was on trial for in his impeachment – the accusations were used to get him in a place to commit perjury whereafter he was tried, and thus he was only acquitted of perjury, not the sexual harassment. At one point in the American Crime Story series, Linda Tripp mentions she knows at least 10 women in the White House who had had such interactions with Clinton, showing he was quite obvious with his sexual misconduct while in power. Clinton’s lawsuits also caused controversy between parties wherein Republicans used them as a tool to remove him from office while many Democrats were encouraged to look the other way to keep him as president.
Looking back, especially after the Me Too movement, many figures from the time have regretted not standing up against Clinton or lobbying for his resignation. Clinton has denied all of the alleged sexual harassments and assaults, though American Crime Story: Impeachment encourages society to step back into the real-life situation with hindsight, revisiting his actions with the knowledge of the Harvey Weinstein sexual abuse cases and Me Too movement that revealed so many other instances of harassment by people in power.
Next: Every Returning American Crime Story Actor In Impeachment
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The release date for the highly anticipated Tim Burton inspired game, Lost in Random, is right around the corner and hype is building up. What began as a small idea about dice quickly grew into an incredibly expansive project that, after nearly four years in development, is finally coming to fruition. Screen Rant‘s preview for Lost in Random joins the chorus of voices praising its unique style, gameplay, and the world that await players.
Lost in Random tells the story of Even, a young girl from the Onecroft district, as she tracks down her sister, Odd. In this world, those who come of age participate in the sacred dice roll, which the Queen oversees, and the result of that roll will determine their future. After Odd rolls a six, the Queen determines that her fate lies in the district of Sixtopia, where the Queen resides, and takes her from her family. Even, spurred by heartbreak and anger, sets out to find her sister with the help of a sentient die named Dicey.
Related: Shai Matheson Interview: Dragon Quest XI & Sylvando
Recently, Zoink CEO/Creative Director Klaus Lyngeled and Creative Director/Lead Writer Olov Redmalm virtually sat down with Screen Rant to talk about Lost in Random. Read on to find out how Lost in Random came to be, its influences, and some of their favorite easter eggs and references.
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What sparked the idea for Lost in Random‘s story and how did it evolve during development?
Olov Redmalm: It all started out with Klaus wanting to do something darker while we were still finishing Ghost Giant. We’re a very art-driven studio so we start out with drawings and trying to find an idea through that, and a mood and setting – [which] especially felt fitting and important for this since it was a fairytale, first and foremost. Then Klaus found this drawing of a dice and a girl… and everything just started coming out of there. Like, what’s a world look like that is under the whim of dice and being stuck in a giant board game? 
One of the things that first drew me in was the focus on dice and randomness because, I don’t know how it is over with you guys, but Dungeons and Dragons became way more popular in the U.S. during lockdown.
Olov Redmalm: I’m a Dungeons and Dragons player too and I think of my job kind of like dungeon mastering. I ran a few campaigns when I was younger.We even made our own rules sets, me and my friends, and we were like six people enjoying this campaign. And when it was over, after like two years, we were like, it’s really sad that no one else will ever experience this. That’s why I love video games so much, because that way, so many can experience an adventure withdice.
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Other than Tim Burton, what are some other inspirations that you feel have had a significant influence on Lost in Random in regards to design and gameplay?
Klaus Lyngeled: We talked about “Over the Garden Wall” [TV series] when we started, just because we really like that each episode has this kind of weird little story to it and we wanted to have each level, each world that you entered, to have its own sort of story or problem – and then of course, an overarching story at the same time. I think that for the [Queen’s] mask, there was a lot of Miyazaki in there too, with like the No Face character from “Spirited Away.”
The painting that inspired us was a painting from Shaun Tan, who did that painting of a girl with dice. He also has these kinds of weird creatures that are not very explained and it’s quite nice that they’re not so explained in the game. I like that because it feels more like a fairytale – like the Grimm fairytales, for example, but also fairytales like HC Anderson. So, I think there’s a lot of inspiration from that.
You have worked with the Eisner Award-winning writer Ryan North on a couple of projects now and I’m curious how he fits in to Zoink’s writing process?
Olov Redmalm: He wrote out basically all the dialogue in the game. We would write the outline for the whole story, so you can actually read the whole game as a book… and so, we kind of tried to envision what could potentially happen step by step. We imagined some way of traversing through each level so that we have these descriptions of characters and their background story… and then Ryan would take that.
Klaus Lyngeled: He’s very comic of course, very funny… but it was interesting to get him to write something that’s a little bit more serious, but also very cool to me. It’s like this really sort of overarching, giant big story which feels very heavy, but then having little funny characters here and there.
Related: Gen Kobayashi & Miki Yamashita Interview – NEO: The World Ends With You
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Can you talk a little more about how randomness impacts the game?
Olov Redmalm: It is a story about the randomness of life and uncertainty and, you know, “what am I going to get next in life?” You might try to predict the one long roll of the dice after the next to protect yourself from harm, but of course you can’t. You can’t know if you’re going to get a six and then a one after that, you can only take one at a time. That’s kind of the narrative of the combat as well. Like, okay, fine, I got this hand, now I have to play it. I have this higher number, this is what I can do with it. Then just roll with the punches – pun intended.
Klaus Lyngeled: And I can tell you this, like, already we’re [thinking], “should we do a second game or not?” You know, cause we have so many ideas that – just the board games itself is like, there’s so much stuff you can do with that! It’s like opening a Pandora’s box.
I’ve got one last question: are there any Easter eggs or references that either of you are particularly proud of and want players to look out for?
Klaus Lyngeled: There’s a character who has two personalities and two faces, which is something that also happens in “Stick it to the Man,” and it’s the same actor actually. He does both those characters.
Olov Redmalm: If you’re a Shakespeare fan, the Queen makes some uncanny references to Macbeth… because Ryan, he’s a huge fan of that. He actually wrote a choose your own adventure book based on Shakespeare. Oh, I’m also really proud of a character that’s called Korv, which sounds really cool and fantasy, but in Swedish it means hotdog. The Swedes love it.
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Lost in Random releases on September 10 for PC, Nintendo Switch, PlayStation 4, and Xbox One.
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Shang-Chi and The Legend of the Ten Rings is a movie Marvel Studios head Kevin Feige has been wanting to make ever since he joined the company. Only the second movie to release as part of the MCU’s Phase 4, Shang-Chi is the first film to get a theater-only release, seeing as Black Widow also debuted on Disney+ through the service’s Premier Access.
Not only is Shang-Chi the first Asian-led Marvel superhero film, but its martial arts also introduces a new part of the franchise to audiences, one that had only been glimpsed on TV with Iron Fist. So far, MCU fans have seen gods, aliens, monsters, and wizards, with some heroes exhibiting unique fighting skills; however, nothing has been on the same level as Shang-Chi‘s martial arts. And now, Marvel can explore this new corner of the MCU throughout Phase 4, 5, and beyond.
Related: Every Marvel Cinematic Universe Movie, Ranked Worst To Best
Screen Rant spoke to Kevin Feige about Shang-Chi ahead of the film’s release about what the movie would’ve looked like had it been released years ago and where the story goes next.
WARNING: This interview contains spoilers for Shang-Chi.
Screen Rant: From what we know, Shang-Chi had been in development, or at least planned, for a very, very long time, but obviously it didn’t happen for a long time. So what do you think this film would’ve looked like had it been released all those years ago?
Kevin Feige: I don’t know. We had a wish list and we still do – characters and stories that we’d love to bring to the screen – and Shang-Chi had been on that list for as long as I’ve been at Marvel, as were lots of other characters that we’ve now since brought to screen. I think it would’ve been different. It’s a good question, actually – a ‘what if’ scenario that is interesting to think about. But I don’t know is the answer, because this movie is the result of the people that made it. Would Destin [Daniel Cretton] have been able to make the movie? Would Simu [Liu] have starred in the movie if we made it 10 years ago? Of course not. So, like all of our movies, I’m lucky enough and very thankful that we made the movie when we did, so we could make it with the people that we did.
With this film – obviously, Black Panther was a massive success and Captain Marvel was a massive success – so what are your hopes with Shang-Chi in terms of cultural impact and franchise impact?
Kevin Feige: I have the same hopes and dreams for this movie that I have for all of our movies. And I feel very good by the initial response from people who’ve seen the movie at press screenings, at the premiere – we did some fan screenings yesterday, and so far, so good with the response to what Destin has done.
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In this, Ben Kingsley’s Trevor Slattery plays a bigger role than I would’ve expected – I thought it would’ve just been a cameo. Was that a conscious effort to try to… not necessarily to redeem him, but give him more of a shining light from who he was and not playing a role as the Mandarin?
Kevin Feige: Yeah, it was an idea early on as we were developing this incarnation of the story for Shang-Chi, that the Ten Rings has a history going back to the very beginning of the MCU. And we thought it would be a fun way to acknowledge the twist in Iron Man 3, the fake version of the Ten Rings leader when we meet the actual leader of the Ten Rings, which is his father, Wenwu, in this. And if you get the opportunity to continue working with Sir Ben Kingsley, you want to find every opportunity to do that.
To jump forward to the credits scene; it’s a pretty big credits scene – you have Captain Marvel and you have Bruce Banner there. But he’s Banner, not Smart Hulk…
Kevin Feige: Interesting… And his arm is in a sling. He’s Banner, and his arm is in a sling, if you noticed that.
I did!
Kevin Feige: You’re the first person to ask me that question, by the way. I know you won’t talk about it until after the movie comes out. But you are the first person to pick up on that.
Really? On Banner being Banner?
Kevin Feige: Since the movie’s been screened, yes.
So why is he back to being in a human form? Does this have anything to do with his future in She-Hulk?
Kevin Feige: All good questions, sir. All very good, very observant questions. …You will find out why that is the case. And thank you for noticing. Mark Ruffalo thanks you for noticing.
To go back to the beginning of the film with Wenwu; the Ta Lo village decided not to allow him in. In my mind, with What If…? going on, I think that would be a perfect idea of what if they did allow him into their village. Like, how would that have changed him and his story? Is that something you think could be told in a What If…? season 2 or 3?
Kevin Feige: Another good question. You’re kind of low-key – but the questions are very on-point and I’m very impressed. But… that’s the fun thing about having the What If…? series now; we can explore questions just like that. And I will say, just as season 1 is tapping into films and storylines from the MCU that you’ve seen up to this point, season 2 will definitely incorporate movies from Phase 4. So I don’t want to say any more than that, but yet again, another very good question, sir.
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Spinning off of that, a lot of the stories being told on Disney+, particularly, are about the Multiverse. While Shang-Chi has an alternate dimension, the story is still quite grounded and personal. So where do you see his story falling in the grand scheme of things going forward?
Kevin Feige: I think, as with every Marvel superhero that we bring into the MCU, all of them are important and integral in the future, and their characters are what shape the future of the MCU. And now that people have met and seen the origin of Shang-Chi, it is safe to say he will have a great influence on the future. The notion of dimensions and Ta-Lo, that again is the gift of the Marvel Comics – that you have not just other planets, not just other dimensions, but other universes, other realities, and it’s a fun to be at a point now, 25 movies in, 6 or 7 TV series in that we’ve shot, that we’re able to really start playing with the full canvas that the comics have brought to us.
Now that Shang-Chi has come out and introduced this whole new corner of martial arts into the franchise, where do you see things going next – not just with new Shang-Chi stories, but with other characters?
Kevin Feige: You know, I think the sky’s the limit on the type of characters that we can bring to the screens. What I’m most excited about is that we’ve finally been able to tell the story of Shang-Chi, and that audiences are finally going to be able to meet not just Simu’s portrayal of Shang-Chi but the entire cast of characters, all of whom I think are fascinating and audiences will I hope – I think – will want to see more of.
Katy and Shang-Chi’s friendship – everything they say and do throughout the film – felt very relatable in a way that other superhero movies and even other Marvel movies just haven’t been able to do, because although he has these powers, he’s a very grounded character. Even the bit with Katy’s grandmother asking when they’ll get married; that’s something that I, as a minority, have experienced from my own family. Was there a concerted effort in developing that in this film or did it come more naturally?
Kevin Feige: I think both, but I think that’s primarily what our screenwriters, with Destin who’s a screenwriter and David Callaham, who was the first writer to start building the story for us, wanted to bring those personal elements into the story. And it’s been remarkable in screenings. At that very moment with the grandmother, you can hear the audience relate to that and respond to that. So I do think it was very much a conscious effort on Dave and Destin’s part to bring that to the screen, and I hope with all Marvel heroes, it is their humanity that makes them relatable. Shang-Chi is probably a more universal story than a lot of them because of the family element and because of the cultural specificity in which that family exists.
At the very end of the film, you have the card that says the Ten Rings will return, not Shang-Chi will return. What was the reason for that?
Kevin Feige: To be honest with you, I think the intention of the first tag makes it very clear that Shang-Chi will return, so we didn’t have to say it again. The end of that second tag was more about the organization itself, the Ten Rings, which it seems, over the course of the movie, that it’s been dismantled and you learn otherwise in that spoiler-filled tag. But that was the idea; one, we just didn’t want to put a card… (Did we even talk about that, Jonathan? We didn’t even talk about putting in a card for both.) But we think that it’s very clear after that first tag that Shang-Chi is returning.
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Marvel Studios had been wanting to make Shang-Chi and The Legend of the Ten Rings for almost 20 years, and it wasn’t until Destin Daniel Cretton boarded the project as director that things finally got underway. Cretton created a story with his fellow screenwriters that brought Shang-Chi’s world to life on the big screen, and in an impressive way.
Overall, everything Cretton and the studio wanted to do with Shang-Chi was accomplished. There’s room for more stories and possibly Shang-Chi sequels, but whether or not Cretton returns to helm those future movies remains to be seen.
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Ahead of Shang-Chi‘s release, Cretton spoke to Screen Rant about the action sequences, properly showcasing the martial arts, and what he hopes the impact will be with audiences.
Screen Rant: One of the most talked-about and praised elements of this film so far is the action. But there’s also two types of action; there’s one that’s more mystical with the people of Ta-Lo, and then another one that’s more grounded with Shang-Chi and the Death Dealer. What was your approach like with both styles of action? And was there anything you were trying to incorporate or anything you were trying to avoid?
Destin Daniel Cretton: It was an important story-point to have those two different types of martial arts styles sung throughout the journey of Shang-Chi in this movie. One style is obviously from his mother, and then the other, more forceful traditional martial arts style is from his dad. What was really important to us was making sure that those styles felt right and authentic. Brad Allan, our stunt coordinator and the head of our stunt team, put together a pretty amazing team of choreographers that had their own personal experience in those types of movements. Some came from Jackie Chan’s camp – he had a choreographer from mainland China who took a lot of inspiration from movies like Jet Li’s Tai Chi Master to create these scenes that you could describe as elegant and beautiful and even emotional. To be able to see those two drastically different types of styles come together and feel cohesive in this movie was really exciting.
Right now, things are a bit different with Marvel and their Phase 4. It’s no longer about setting up direct sequels for movies; it’s more about one character moving from one film to TV, or from one film to another character’s film. So for you, in making this – I’m not even sure if you would come back for a sequel – but where would you like to see the character go next?
Destin Daniel Cretton: I think, by the end of this movie, there are some pretty clear arrows pointing in the directions that we would love to take the character – and not only Shang-Chi, but I’m really excited to see all of these characters start to interact with the other members of the MCU and go to places that we haven’t gone before. We’re all very excited at the doors that were open because of this movie.
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There are a lot of moving parts in this film – there’s Shang-Chi’s story, Katy’s family, the people of Ta-Lo, the Ten Rings – there’s a lot going on and it all comes together quite well. But in making it, was there anything you realized wouldn’t have worked and you had to drop the idea? Or was there something you wished you could’ve included in some way?
Destin Daniel Cretton: I mean, the list of things you drop on the editing floor in every movie is just so long. It would just be boring to go through all of it. But yeah, the process of finding the movie in the edit, to me, is the most important part of making a movie; it’s when you really hone in on the performances, it’s when you really find the essence of the characters and their relationships. And the truth is, the things that we end up cutting typically aren’t things that I even imagine are in the movie anymore, so I don’t regret them at all, because the movie that we discovered just feels like the movie. But there will be a number of pretty fun and exciting deleted scenes that you’ll be able to see whenever those things are released.
Could you give me an example of one?
Destin Daniel Cretton: Of a deleted scene? I’m trying to… I honestly cannot think of any right now, I’m sorry.
That’s totally fine; onto a different topic. The reactions to this film so far have been quite effusive. What does all of that mean to you and what kind of impact would you like to see from this film?
Destin Daniel Cretton: We made this movie with Marvel fans at the front of our mind, from the very beginning to the end. So to be able to go to a premiere that was packed full of people who were eagerly staring at all the details of our movie and they understood how it pieces all together to the bigger MCU, to hear the reaction from those fans in that premiere was really special and very exciting. I can’t wait for more people to see it, and see what the reaction is.
Even more important than the reaction, I get such a kick out of how much interaction there is between Marvel fans and the movies. It’s such a unique relationship between the filmmakers and the fans because there’s so much more dialogue that happens between the fans and the movies than most movies that are coming out. So to be a part of it is really exciting.
This film has been in some stage of development for many years, and I know you weren’t part of that the whole time, but at what point did it finally get underway? What was the impetus to getting it into pre-production and production?
Destin Daniel Cretton: I wasn’t there for all of that previous development, so I don’t really know. When I was brought on, we developed this idea from scratch. There wasn’t a script that was sitting there for us to start rewriting on. So when I came on, I was writing in the room with Dave Callaham and our producer, Jonathan Schwartz; we were kind of starting from a blank page and deciding what this movie was going to be.
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