#wtf endgame steve

[glynnisi]

Now, I have this thought taking hold where at the end of the Endgame victory over Thanos, the victors gathered round to celebrate and cry and congratulate etc. and Mantis realized that Steve was trying to decide whether to go back in time or stay and really give "the future" a chance... and when she saw this character, she thought Steve had decided NOT to go back in time, but to continue as the Avengers leader, living together with friends, new and old.

Which makes perfect sense since (as we saw in CATWS) Steve Rogers is a loyal friend who is capable of adapting and growing.

Pom Klementieff as Mantis The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special 2022 | dir. James Gunn

[crossthread]

making myself physically ill over stucky like its 2016

[ivysos2001]

I’m gonna be honest- part of me feels like they killed off Natasha in endgame partially to try and give Steve’s whole leaving everyone behind for Peggy ending any sort of credibility- because as much as I can’t see Steve abandoning everyone to run back to Peggy, I really can’t see him leaving nat

I mean let’s be honest I still don’t think Steve would actually leave everyone behind in the present (I mean he just finally got bucky and sam and everyone else back - esp Bucky after all this time - and then he just leaves??) let alone the fact that he’d suddenly develop a selfish streak and go back and screw up the long happy life that he acknowledged Peggy had without him in catws

Even if you don’t think there was anything romantic between them (even tho I definitely do lol) Steve and Natasha obviously loved each other and were very close and important to each other for a long time - especially after those years on the run and then losing everyone else they were really close to in the snap - I think it’s a shame that endgame seemed to undercut the importance of that relationship (like having him pull that damn compass again out of nowhere while he was talking to nat or implying that he left her to lead the avengers by herself for those five years like everyone else did) to make Steve suddenly being in love with Peggy again seem more plausible

Steve and Natasha were always a pair that shined on screen together and really brought out an intimacy and a humanity in these two characters that can sometimes be swept up in their larger superhero personas - I just wish we got to see more of that after and beyond those two Captain America movies

[imavikingo]

I said this in tags on another post, but it’s relevant and deserves its own post (I should be reading my usual pre- sleeping fic selection, BUT! I had this revelation -being sleepy is useful once again! -)

They NEEDED Steve to disappear, to be gone. To never care about Bucky anymore. That way they could treat Bucky as they see fit, and that means treating him like shit.

Steve would NEVER accept or allow Bucky to make amends, he would NEVER let the government take care of Bucky or be part of his “rehabilitation” in any way shape or form. That’s why he became Nomad, that’s why Bucky stayed in Wakanda. He would had fight with teeth and nails for Bucky.

“He died already more than once! He was a victim! A prisoner of war. He saved the fucking universe. What the fuck do you mean with amends!”

He became a wanted criminal for that same reason, to not let them have Bucky (nor other people in a fucking watchlist)

They needed Steves relationship with Bucky to become bitter, to be nothing more than a memory.

Steve being in retirement wouldn’t have cut it and…

Bucky was always going to follow Steve, no matter what.

So they needed him to stay alone (or with a companion that didn’t really care as much as Steve, enter Sam)

This way they killed two birds with one stone in Endgame: Reinforcing Steves “love” for Peggy, because “he’s NOT gay, you guys!”, and the partial isolation of Bucky.

[glynnisi]

Did someone say MCU characterization of Steve Rogers? (only done right in CATWS and 1 scene CACW)

[glynnisi]

By @owl-in-daylight

[jaegerisim]

Vent post y'all are gonna hate me for.

I viscerally hate how the Duffers treat most of their non white or queer characters and I hate even more viscerally, how y'all big byler blogs in your circle jerk of other 5 big byler blogs casually like to ignore many red flags the show has.

Y'all like to say: "tHe DufFeRs ArE gReAt WrIteRs" and it's like girl, who are you lying to??? They aren't top shit writers at all. The Duffers are pretty mid imo. Yeah, they run a good show that's fun to watch and theorize abt , but that doesn't mean they're good writers cuz they're not.

1. they completely side lined Will during s3 for the sake of their straight romances: lumax, jancy, mlvn, duzie and partly stobin (even if stobin wasn't endgame, thankfully, Steve's intentions were clearly wanting to date Robin and they gave it a lot of screen time). Will was sidelined bc he didn't fit the straight romance plotline bc they planned to make him gay or whatever. Now in s4 Will and his feelings have been used as mlvn toilet paper. Yes, we like to say this is build up for byler but canonically, Will's feelings have been used to clean the shit mlvn leaves behind.

2. Billy was sympathized a lot during the last 2 seasons. They gave him the sad backstoryTM in order for ppl to feel sorry for him. Billy's backstory is literally Jonathan's but whatever.

3. El's anger issues are constantly girlboss-ified. They down play her bullying situation and literally just use it for El to be a ''girlboss" without realizing how triggering that is. As someone who has lived bullying, seeing it be ignored by canon and fanon is super sad. The whole Rink-O' Mania experience must have been so traumatizing for her yet, everyone absolutely forgets abt it 🤷🏻‍♀️

4. Robin, Erica and Argyle are stereotypical characters. Robin is the quirky lesbian with social anxiety, Erica is the badass black woman and Argyle is the Latino stoner that sells weed to white kids and works as a pizza delivery guy.

5. Altho Argyle and Eddie both do drugs, (Eddie actually sells K-12 to a minor and nobody batted an eye. He has a huge fan base). Eddie is held in a pedestal bc "poor thing 🥺 he lives in a trailer with his uncle 🥺". Tell me a single fact you know abt Argyle that isn't "he smokes weed", "he is Jonathan's only friend", "drives a van" and "he works at a pizzeria". Exactly, Eddie is given a useless backstory and Argyle isn't.

6. Dustin stopped being important to the plot sometime around s2 and s3. He is only there to curse and be mildly funny. My guy needs to hangout with ppl his age cuz he only hangs out with seniors.

7. El needs to stop having so much "I'M THAT BITCH" screentime like I need in s5 for El's arc to not just be her becoming more powerful and falling in love with Mike. I need the Duffers to explore her trauma and problems.

8. Angela should have been run over by the van.

9. Patrick should have been given a backstory that isn't the basic "strict black parents that hit their kids cuz they are a disgrace". Patrick's backstory is actually racist af, fight w the wall.

10. As Lex already said, they didn't trigger tag the ep where Jason and his friends assault Lucas and Erica. Like wtf? Why was that necessary? Why did I have to see a black boy being held at gunpoint by some white guy?? Was it relevant to the plot?? I don't think so. And then I've got to see ppl online be like "Jason wasn't that bad. He was just mourning" like bitch you can stfu. This is what happens when you make the racist assholes conventionally attractive.

Also the fact that Lucas's arc is fulfilled by him fist-fighting Jason and "embracing his weirdness" aka accepting he is black. His arc was not fulfilled at all cuz that ending spoke so loud to me. It showed how little empathy ppl have towards the struggles poc ppl living in the Midwest have. Y'all circle jerks can only see racism when it's super obvious.

Furthermore, parents complained when ST showed "an excessive amount of smoking" yet nobody batted an eye when Billy tried to run over Lucas, when Erica (an 11 y.o ffs) was chased by white kids or when Lucas was held at gunpoint by Jason.

All of this happened while they focused on Max's guilt and mourning that, yeah, are important but certainly not less important than racism!!!

11. In s3, they gave us that whole Nancy vs The Bigots arc that was honestly just triggering and useless. It didn't help Nancy's character at all, quite the opposite it put unnecessary angst.

12. Lonnie being presented as an abuser just for him to never be spoken of again. Can we please get to explore the trauma he left the Byers's with?

13. The fact that both queer relationships are considered "sloppy seconds" is extremely sad. Both Vickie and Mike are rebounding from their failed relationship with Robin and Will. These 2 ships have caused more commotion than Jancy and Jopper together! (These last ships are technically sloppy seconds too but everybody forgets that. Shocker!!)

14. Last but not least, ppl blame Argyle for being the one to get Jonathan into smoking weed as if Jonathan probably wasn't the one looking for it. Let me tell you, that you only find weed if you look for it.

[ilovesnat]

Do the rating things natasha has done

OKAY OKAY

Rating things my wife, Nat, has done:

Kissed Bruce: -50/100 WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU, EW NO, WHY THE HELL NOT ME!?!?!?!?WHAT DID YOU SEE IN HIM!?!?

Kissed Steve: 0.8/10 I GET IT HE'S GOOD LOOKING BUT AGAIN WHY NOT ME!?!?!?! HE'S SO OLD. WHY NOT SOMEONE YOUNGER LIKE ME😓😓

Ended up with Bucky's face in between her thighs while fighting: 4/10 i love bucky tho, but he has crossed the line from there

Getting shot in CATWS: 5/10 Not funny, got me worried, but you were hot

Winning the cliff jumping competition against Clint: -19302928200002282.82801929282/10 THE WORST ONE, WHY NOT THE RED SKULL?? HE'S UGLY ANYWAY. MADE ME CRY RIVER. MADE ME NOT TO WATCH ENDGAME ANYMORE. BUT THAT WAS ONLY IN THE MOVIE, WE'RE HAPPILY MARRIED NOW, SO YOU'RE FORGIVEN☺️☺️

[tenaciousarcadeexpert]

the mcu needs to know that they can introduce newer female characters (she-hulk, ms marvel, cassie lang, kate bishop etc) without having to kill off the long existing ones (aunt may, Jane Foster, Queen Ramonda). Like wtf is going with killing off significant female characters like this? 

“but they wanted to leave the mc-” well the actresses who played gamora and pepper potts choose to leave Marvel and their characters weren’t killed off for shock value. Not every departure has to have their characters being killed off (permanently). Like why couldn’t they get the Steve Rogers treatment in endgame and let them retire or disappear?

edit: I forgot to include that yes, sacred timeline!Gamora got killed off for shock value while an alternated version of her survived but is less developed. WIth Zoe officially moving on from the MCU, we’ll sadly never get to see alt!Gamora again, and there will be no more opportunities of alt!Gamora being fleshed out 

all in all, the mcu should not be afraid to have too many female characters, like there’s room for all of them

[bluemoonperegrine]

Since I was away from fandom for about a decade, I missed pretty much all of the shipping wars.

I have questions.

Before going any further, my mottos are "Ship and let ship" and "If you don't like it, don't read it." Anyone who replies or reblogs hatefully will be blocked.

WTF happened with Peggy Carter?

I don't have strong feelings about Peggy other than "She kicks ass" and "Oh man I want her and Steve to get together this is so tragic."

I barely remember Endgame. This is probably for the best.

I know lots of people ship Steve and Bucky. Cool. Fine by me. Go forth and ship. I haven't read any of it but can totally see it and might read some Steve/Bucky one day. I haven't yet because I'm too busy reading and writing Moon Knight and Werewolf By Night.

Is some of the hate for Peggy straight-up misogyny? I was back into fandom for the hate hurled at Jen Walters for having the audacity to be a smart, accomplished woman who wants to have sex and does (gasp!!!).

(I'd like to point out that I convinced some cishet men to give She-Hulk a try. They enjoyed it to varying degrees once they got over the dudebro propaganda.)

So wtf? Why are people going to war over fictional characters? I don't get it. Is it due to the ongoing conservative moral panic about anything queer?

[harp-bo-barp]

if stancy is endgame i might pick up a table and throw it into the tv screen like everyone did with their wii remotes as a child. actually, no, i WILL.

part of me feels like stancy is so not going to be endgame just because like... why tf would they do that?? 😭 are they trying to show the world that they are the worst writers ever? /hj

it would literally be so contradictory to both steve and nancy's characters if they made them endgame. Nancy literally made clear in s1 how she didn't want to grow up and have a life like her parents do, she doesn't want a nuclear family -- and that is quite literally what steve wants lmao. And that's totally cool for him, but if they write them as endgame then they are literally destroying everything that nancy wanted for her life. it does not make sense 😭

but then there's part of me that is almost certain that they're not going to make stancy endgame, and that might just be me in denial, but I sure hope it isn't 💀. And if that is the case, why did they bring back all of that stancy shit and all the tension between steve and nancy in s4 anyway... like wtf was the point??

idk anyway, harper is rambling. long story short, I hate stancy and if it's endgame I'm crawling into a hole and never coming back out

[cherrybombfangirl]

Hey you! Yeah you! Interested in my in progress Marvel OC Fanfic?

Ao3 Link: Only Human (7244 words) by cherrybombfangirl)/

Wanna read a Marvel fanfic that’s mainly an OC insert but also fixing everything that’s wrong with the MCU? It includes fixing what needs fixing, and my OC and all the small OCs that come with her.

Yeah you wanna read it!

The fic includes:

My OC Stacy who is the daughter of Steve and Bucky, a chaotic bisexual ADHDer, a maliciously compliant little shit, a gremlin but also a sweet ray of sunshine, coming from a mixed faith family, and just being the bane of the US government/Tony Stark’s existence in general

Fixing the erasure of representation issue- not just the whitewashing! Especially Steve’s disability and being an irish immigrant, also aggressively queer as he should be

^^^ and Stucky Supremacy :D 

Autistic, Trans, Asexual, Bisexual, and Jewish Peter Parker! (also he actually acts like a teenager and not a fucking child, the fuck writers and fans)

In fact, all of the characters that should be Jewish are actually Jewish (Wanda and Peitro, Kate Bishop, Bucky, Moon Knight, etc etc), because we all know how terrible the MCU is at respecting the source material

No romanticizing Tony’s shitty behavior and getting called out on said behavior multiple times

Civil War is actually about Steve Rogers and not just Iron Man 4 :) (also Tony being proven very very wrong)

Actually addressing how bad the Sokovia Accords are and how awfully they treat people with superpowers (and how it’s really just the US gov. trying to have their own little superhero army and how that’s fucked up)

Fixing this issue the MCU has where they reduce characters to a few traits and take away what’s at the core (especially with newly introduced characters)

Fixing Age of Ultron and Endgame (because AoU was a trash fire and Endgame was a good concept but terrible execution)

Did you know Peggy’s character was based on a character from the comics named Cynthia Glass who was a Nazi Spy? “Based on” as in the writers took Cynthia’s character and just slapped Peggy’s name on her? Yeah so, Peggy’s actually gonna be a Nazi spy in this fic and her sus behavior (shooting at Cap, Operation Paperclip, etc) won’t be ignored or brushed off

^^^ in fact she manipulates Steve into letting her have his and Bucky’s daughter so that HYDRA could have their own little supersoldier lab rat and also Peggy not being a good mom and handing Stacy over to HYDRA like it’s nothing

The ending to Endgame actually makes sense (and no Steve undoing his entire arc because WTF WAS THAT-)

More time saying fuck you to the US government because we hate them in this house, and we stan Stacy for doing everything she can to be the bane of it’s existence. Everyone but Tony is right behind her :) 

All the Young Avengers are closer in age because they should be, also they’re all younger than 20 because that should be happening they’re not supposed to be adults

Lots of trauma and mental health issues for everyone, including PTSD, depression, and anxiety and more!

More time with Nat and Yelena BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T GET ENOUGH T-T

[toastissuperior]

okay so I recently rewatched endgame and I’ve been thinking.

wtf happened to mjolnir

Thor brought it back to 2023 when he went to 2013 to get the Aether/reality stone

Steve brought it with him when he returned all the the stones

wth did Peggy think when she saw Steve with it?

Did Steve become unworthy again when he went back to live a life with Peggy?

Was it just sitting around for 80 years if he wasn’t worthy anymore?

How did Thor get it again because he has it in Love and Thunder?

WHEN DID STEVE GIVE IT TO THOR SO THAT HE COULD GET IT IN LOVE AND THUNDER BECAUSE THOR LEFT WITH THE GUARDIANS AT THE END OF ENDGAME AND HASENT BEEN TO EARTH SINCE.

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I may just be a dumbass because I’ve only seen Love and Thunder once and that was when it first came out in theaters so this might all be for nothing :)

[c0ffee-gh0ul]

Shameless Rewatch - 1x01

omg they’re all so young!!!!

oh the irony of lip

baby ian <3

LMAO CARL

awwwww baby debbie!!

OMG KEV’S HAIR!!!!

oh i never realized it was a car on fire not an actual bonfire

I'm literally tearing up they’re all babies

ian’s hair!!!!

I miss the winter time

SHEILA!!!!

ew Karen

lip’s such a nerd

KAREN BRUHHHHH EWWWW SCIENCE DOES NOT TURN YOU ON STFU

V!!!!

oh no not the magazine

did jimmy-steve jump off the balcony??? AND NOT EVEN GET HER PURSE WHAT

lipppp don't gaslight ian into coming out to you ugghh

ian looks so hurt omg

ugh ian is so bummed :(

KEV!!!

Lmao jimmy-steve is so confused

HAHAH V MADE UP A WHOLE BACKSTORY FOR JIMMY-STEVE I LOVE HER

“TAKE BACK DUMB PRICK!”

kev and v are literally the happiest couple on the planet

oh god not the kitchen s*x scene

goddamn they’re making way too much noise holy shit

ew tony i never liked him

“Cops… Lookin for ya…” he’s so confused

good ‘ol frank

LMAO LIP, CARL, AND IAN LURKING WHEN JIMMY-STEVE LEFT THEY LOOKED SO CREEPY

the alibi looked so different

it was so bland

why wasn’t fiona grateful that jimmy-steve came back???

oh she wasn’t even interested in a relationship whoops

OH NO

LIP DON’T BRING IAN TO KAREN’S HOUSE

UGGGHHHH I HATE THIS PART

eddie……. 

oh gosh poor ian

“what’re ya hidin’ for?” NOOOOOO

“it’s just a study group!” oh sheila

LMAO LIP JUMPING OUT THE WINDOW

IAN’S GAY PANIC OH JEEZ

not the washer

“i thought you were broke!” “that’s what I said.” LMAO IAN

stfu eddie just leave

EW KASH EW EW EW EW

damn linda was on a bitch rant

“you just look more like mom than any of the rest of us. you probably scare him.” my heart :(((

Debbie was so innocent back then :(

JIMMY-STEVE WAS ALWAYS ENDGAME FOR FIONA UGGGHHHH HE LOVED HER

“you’re not lost. you don’t need finding.” DAMN RIGHT JIMMY-STEVE

I FORGOT THEY RAN TO EACH OTHER… MY HEART

fiona looked so genuinely happy and safe with him :((

damn he gave her a reality check and she got mad bc she knew he was right!!!

damn GTA type shit jimmy-steve

LMAO SHEILA OFFERING ALCOHOL TO MINORS WTF

wow frank is conscious

who knew a man could be so confused by a washing machine

oh not the shoes…

hate that Lip is worried about the fact that kash is married with kids and not the fact that he’s a literal p*do

“he’s done nothing to be sorry for. nothing!” oh ian sweetie…

EW FRANK LURKING ON THE WASHER THAT WAS CREEPY

damn fiona called him dad

“how much do you weigh?” what an introduction!

lmao fiona got pics of herself on the windowsill

HAHAH CARL DREW CHEST HAIRS ON HIMSELF WITH SHARPIE

omg i forgot about the van outside

lip’s homophobic era smh

how is Lip so smart but doesn’t understand gay people

HAHAHA DEBBIE TOLD JIMMY-STEVE IT WAS HER BIRTHDAY SO THEY COULD HAVE THAT BIG BREAKFAST

the way we get by… that’s how the last episode ended too…

[voxofthevoid]

*comes stumbling in, trips, falls, and lands on face*

I...I did it! I binged the JJK manga! Wait what time is it? What day? *squinting at clock* Huh? Really? How am I still alive????

This is werewolf anon. I'm only slightly sleep deprived and feral. Slightly. (It's a lie. I'm a liar. Nanami, please come pull my hair and punish me.)

I...I honestly don't even know what to say. SO MUCH HAPPENED. I was not ready for where the anime is at with the Shibuya arc to the culling game and Gojo and Megumi and Yuuji and Sukuna and GOJO. GOJO. GIMME BACK MY GOJO YOU FUCKERS-

*incoherent screeching followed by the thud of an exhausted body hitting the ground*

I think the last time I felt such a build up and WTF WHAT DO YOU MEAN was when Steve got on that fucking time travel platform and abandoned Bucky- *gunshot*

No way that Gojo is gone for good??? HOW??? Surely the author is just fucking with us? If Dragon Ball can revive Goku and Vegeta a bunch, why not Gojo- *more gunshots*

Well FUCK. You did warn me it was going to be hellish so I got no one to blame for my self-flagellation of the JJK manga. But goddamn, I was not expecting that!!! 😫😫😫😫😫😫 What do I do now??? Why must the mangaka torment us this way???

And damn I'm sorry to hear people were shitty and tried to block evade you through submissions. WTF. Why can't people operate with some fucking decency? But I appreciate you saying you were cool with me leaving a link. I'm sure I'm not the first person who probably thought of this joke but hey hopefully you get a giggle out of it. I sure needed it after my JJK manga binge spiral lol!

https://i.postimg.cc/SsdyLYGJ/Go-To-Horny-Jail-Yuuji.png

Hopefully next time you see me in your ask box, I won't be the husk of a human being. 😵

*gives you blankets and water* I Get It, Friend.

I was not even remotely kidding about the hell part. I caught up with the manga around the time Yuki+Choso versus Kenjaku was happening, and then I kept up with the weekly releases religiously. Chapter 236 (The Great Bisection) had me in a funk for two whole weeks. I still can't think too much or hard about it without getting real pissed off, and the only saving grace is that it's better than being sad.

I like character deaths, is the thing! I love them—when they're done well. Go/jo was a travesty. The comparison to Steve is apt, honestly, because the favoring of an idealized past at the expense of the present and the human connections (existing and potential) there is one of my main issues with both Steve's time travel and Gojou's airport purgatory behavior.

The main difference on my end is that Steve was my favorite character, so Endgame made me drop the whole franchise. In JJK, Yuuji's my favorite, so I'm still invested to an insane degree.

But yes, even when Gege is at their best, they torment us (and Yuuji, mostly) for shits and giggles. Most of the time, I even enjoy it! Stick around for more pain 🤗

The picture did make me laugh! Here, for the people:

I'm putting him in horny jail. With Gojou. And Nanami. And a few others. Might defeat the purpose, but ah well. He deserves all the hole.

In the time it's taken me to answer this (been a fever-ridden husk myself the last week), I hope you're humaned up!

[wanghedi]

Looking thru my catws tags and remembering how mad i was coming out the movie theater for endgame like ive never been that pissed off about a movie before or since. Steve picks up the captain america shield for bucky and drops it for bucky (Twice) and was willing to let bucky kill him if he couldnt get him back. And they created an end to steves story that bucky was not a part of at all. AND they literally made him joe biden wtf was that