#why are spn fans reproducing

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Quit the job

[canichangemyblogname]

I'm convinced that they must think gay and bi men don't watch TV or something. Why would there be faggots watching their own representation when M/M relationships are for the "girlies"? **

The fact so many of us also liked Michael and David despite the fact they hardly had any scenes at all (because they were both secondary characters) must also be indicative of our nasty, disgusting sexual feelings for men, right? It certainly couldn't be the more logical conclusion: we're queer and support actualized queer representation.

Buck and Tommy's relationship was literally canon. Your argument depends on the assumption that it never was. People will enjoy a canon, on-screen relationship like all the other on-screen relationships over the years. Why do you 🫵 hold a different energy for this relationship than others? (Hint: they can't get hot to it like if it was Buck & Eddie.) Are you going to include all the members of the GA who thought Buck x Tommy was "sweet" among us nasty, disgusting fetishizerrs? They *also* liked Buck x Tommy despite their lack of screen time. Will you hold the same energy for them, or is it only *us*--mostly queer men-- who have these nasty sexual feelings for men?

Why do you hold a different standard for enjoying a canon m/m relationship than any other canon relationship on the show? I find Chim x Maddie a compelling and sweet relationship. I will tune in just to see Angela Bassett and Peter Krause act opposite each other. I was rooting for Eddie x Anna as well as Eddie x Marisol. I also enjoyed Buck x Abby, Buck x Ali, Buck x Taylor, and Buck x Natalia, all of Buck's other canon relationships. Does any of this mean I fetishize straight relationships? By your logic, enjoyment of a canon relationship-- especially one with few scenes together, like Buck x Ali or Buck x Natalia-- is indicative of a fetish, so I should, no? But you wouldn't make that argument. You haven't made that argument. Why?

Why is it that enjoying seeing a m/f relationship on screen is conventional or usual, but enjoying seeing a m/m relationship on screen is an abnormal sexual fixation? Why is the enjoyment of an m/m relationship different than the enjoyment of any of Buck's other canon relationships? Why are the people who have enjoyed the show's queer m/m representation the people with "bad" sexual thoughts? But enjoying all of Buck's other canon relationships is simply just enjoying the show for the show? You get how this paints queerness as an abnormal sexual proclivity and "straightness" as something that is just "part of the narrative"™️, right?

This is also really ironic for someone with "loves SPN" in their URL...

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**(NOTE: I have genuinely seen this subset of Superfan argue that m/m stories "center" women and that slash is by and for women for women's sexual satisfaction and liberation. And I'd like to think that I should not have to point out how this mentality means that fandom is built not only on queer men's eroticized bodies but also on their exclusion. In fact, it would not exist and could not continue to exist without our invisibility and exclusion. Because slash-fiction oft requires the fan to ignore the lived reality of the people-- queer men-- they are depicting for the fiction and to cater to the satisfactions of their audience. When queer men come in and say, "Well, actually, we don't do that--" it ruins a fantasy. Sometimes, it's the fantasy that they create for the "representation," as opposed to personal and audience satisfaction. Sometimes, it's the fantasy that they are creating accurate depictions of queer men. Sometimes, it's the fantasy that m/m sex and relationships cater to them and their desires and personal ideas of what is "hot." To thus continue to reproduce the community and maintain the fandom status quo-- like all those fan canons people treat as canon-- they must push out the detractors and people who challenge popular fanon, which is often queer men. How do you do that? Hostility and homophobia. Slash-fiction communities cannot continue if there are a wealth of queer men in them. Because their intended audience and creators are non-men. Because the genre was created on queer men's exclusion and only possible in the first place due to queeer men's invisibility.)

[thewollfgang]

Just discovered Amias and read through your ficlets. I'm not usually a fan of OCs, but I love that sweet boy, and the concept of asexual angel reproduction that you came up with! I look forward to whenever you make it a proper fic. I also saw that you planned on drawing Amias based on a younger Tom Ellis, and I gotta ask... are we every going to see that? :U

Aw, thank you! I'm not really a fan of OCs either and I think that's why it works better than some. As for the asexually reproducing angels, the concept is partially based off of a spn fic, so it's not all 100% my idea.

And ah, the drawing did not turn out well, so no, it shall never see the light of day. That said, if anyone wants to take a stab at it, feel free to draw any of my OCs or fics. :p

[unabashedlyinlove]

Thanks you @destiel-sucks-i-know-that-now ! Exactly. They need TW to work so hard cause they are tiring GA with failed attempts. It for sure does not affect the OG source material - as we see the numbers for most streamed shows in the Nielsen scale climbing higher each month - but it impacts GA's willingness to give the spinoffs a chance, plus the network running of excuses why theyre not working.

The first spinoff was cancelled because it was written within SPN worlds/mythology but new characters that GA had no attachment with. Strike 1.

Then they've tried Wayward Sisters and we know the dumpster fire it was. Although they used characters from the OG, they do not really work as protagonists plus the writers were just reproducing every single stereotype already written about white women sistership. Strike 2.

Then JA pitches TW including OG Dean. I bet CW ate in the palm of his hand because hey, this is the guy who wins all online polls, fans trend his name/character weekly and bid monthly incomes to have M&G and photos taken in conventions, what can go wrong, right? By now, we already discussed what everything wrong with the premise itself and all the BTS handling of the release and promo. Its not only a hit to Jensen's ego, but also to his character value, IMO. While SPN was about 2 brothers, what made Dean interesting was his relationship with Sam and by having TW, in a way, it proves that Dean, as a character, can not stand alone. If iy fails, strike 3

Who will even give the time of the day if they come up with another spinoff? It think that's why the network/producers are not above manipulation tactics to make it succeed. Sorry for the long rambling.

I have been watching the like/dislike count on the "new" TW trailer since about a day after it dropped and I keep noticing random drops of about 100-200 dislikes in a very short time. I had checked (on 7/28) and it was at 1k likes to 2.2k dislikes and when I refreshed it about 2 hours later it was down to 2k dislikes. I could see it dropping by a few here and there if people decide to remove it or something happens with an account that disliked it, but to drop by ~200 within an hour or two on more than one occasion (this isn't the first 100-200 drop I've caught myself) seems odd. I guess they couldn't purge a large amount of dislikes at once because that would be too obvious but would they bother to do it slowly like that to manipulate the numbers? (I'm actually trying to keep screenshots when I notice it so that I can see how often and by how much the numbers are changing)

Nah it’s not annoying, it’s fascinating that YT or WB or CW is making the effort to make the ratio a little less terrible.

I took this at 7:30 pm EST, 39% Likes to 61% Dislikes.  I’ll check tomorrow to see if the Dislikes number magically goes down.  

One would think that YouTube can easily know which “likes” and “dislikes” are given in earnest, considering the massive amount of data, behavioral data, analytics, etc that their entire company is built upon.  If a user is disliking every video of a single creator, then said creator can just “shadow ban” the user and their likes/dislike won’t be added to the public total