#which also isn't so simply defended with “well it was created by Jews” for well a multitude of reasons but primarily;
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brick-van-dyke · 2 months ago
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Yeah, no, Jews are already killed by Zionists and have been killed by Zionists. There has been more revulsion towards Jews who are anti-Zionist or simply who don't recognise Israel as part of their faith than any pro Palestinian I've ever met, especially seeing as many of the pro Palestinian protesters I've met ARE Jewish.
In the 1920s, Zionists attacked Jews and Arabs indiscriminately in Palestine, as well as in the Nakba of 1948 which has not only been recorded but echoed by many survivors (the latest whose testimony I heard a few days ago in Canberra, the great-grandmother now spoke and told us how her Jewish neighbours in Palestine were killed by the Zionist military group that attacked her village). It's why I say it's so important to understand Israel's history, not by the government or official manuscripts taught in Israel, but by those who were there when Zionists killed Jews alongside the Christians and Muslims, or even targeted Jews like Jacob Israël de Haan.
Historically, again, it is the left who have defended Jews, the socialist French Revolution for example being the first push for recognising Jews as equal citizens in France, then Karl Marx who backed Jewish Zionists at the time. There is a complex history when it comes to allies; Muslims have both defended Jews out of a sense of comradery due to how similar their religious practices tend to be compared to Christians who are the most different and the primary belief used by the Romans and European powers (such as France during the crusade) to persecute Jews, meanwhile certain Muslim majority nations like the Ottoman Empire forced conversions to Islam out of force. Meanwhile, many Muslim rules countries before the Ottomans had a strong connection to the Jews in their countries where they were given equal opportunities as Muslims in these nations. Modern (post Ottomans) Palestine itself had a similar solidarity between indigenous Jews (before European Jews settled) and Muslims having strong solidarity and a community built out of the Ottoman Empire post its fall, meanwhile Zionist Jews pushing for a separate economy and state with the backing of Europe in the 1920s (which would lead to the Arab Revolt) often dominates this discussion despite the solidarity existing beforehand. Overall, there's been a lot of historic solidarity with the left when it comes to Jews, as well as a mixed relationship between Arabs due to the ruling powers and depending on the political alignment. It's more modern Zionism that has led to this divide which, again, uses propaganda and history denialism to back it and push "weak Jew" or "self hating Jew" if they go against the Zionist political agenda.
Understanding this history of solidarity and support, as well as Israel's political history itself, really highlights how much Jewishness is defined by far more than the nationalist political identity that Israel (and Zionism) has assigned it through westernised expansionism and militarisation (which uses the Roman Empire, Europe and specifically Germany as a reference).
https://doi.org/10.1093/oso/9780197623589.003.0005
Unfortunately, you may need to have a university login to access the full article, but I could try and get a pdf if anyone wants the full thing? Here's the abstract for now:
"This chapter examines how Israel wrestled with the legacy of the Holocaust over time. In so doing, it theorizes a variant of trauma-based identity called victimhood nationalism, which refers to political leaders’ strategic redirection of grievances. It applies this new concept to Israeli prime minister David Ben-Gurion’s re-narration of Israel’s foundational collective trauma according to his government’s priorities during the 1961 trial of former high-ranking Nazi Adolf Eichmann. Ben-Gurion strategically directed grievances away from Germany, with which he had pursued a rapprochement, and toward Israel’s Arab adversaries, whom he portrayed as the leading forces of global anti-Semitism in the decades following the fall of the Third Reich. This victimhood nationalism had a lasting impact on Israel’s international orientation, helping to integrate hundreds of thousands of Jewish immigrants from the Arab world while also framing security discourses in the lead-up to the 1967 Six-Day War."
There are many other sources, especially those that analyse the case of Eichmann, that go into Israel's usage of propaganda to divert blame towards Germany and Europe's complicity in the holocaust and uses "Arab colonisation" as a reason instead, which also holds little evidence (unless you use Iran, which tbh has nothing to do with Arabs or Muslims but an imperialist government type, just like how the US, China and Russia are imperialists and Japan was an imperialist nation during WW2). The resistance of expansion into pre-existing territories are used as a reason, but this is very obviously a bad faith arguments based on the almost "self fulfilling prophecy" mentality of "if I attack first and they attack back they are evil" as a reason to justify preemptive punishment.
TLDR; yeah, no... If we're talking about hatred towards Jews? That's not existent in any of the pro Palestine spaces I've ever been to, and have actively been welcoming of Jews. The only hatred I've seen are from refugees who are actually scared of Jews because of Zionism and the war crimes them and their families have been subjected to. Which...isn't about Jews, it's about the war crimes and the fear that instills which very quickly can become anger and hate towards those who hurt you. Even then, that's a minority, most Palestinian refugees I've met are extremely hospitable to Jews and welcome them in their spaces. They're obviously scared and don't like Zionists who say "death to Arabs" when they are Arab, for very obvious reasons. Even the chants, all of them are about land back to the way it was pre Israel; aka no Zionism or ethnic states that prioritise one racial group over another; meaning Jews and Arabs are treated as equal and that ethnicity plays no part in existing on the land. Which is directly at odds with Zionism which claims "Greater Israel must belong solely to the Jews" and even that becomes messy when it comes to Christians, Muslims, atheists, etc. with Jewish ancestry and Jews who don't recognise the state of Israel in their faith/ beliefs irrespective of the political ideology of Zionism.
Further readings:
https://www.historytoday.com/archive/feature/herzls-troubled-dream-origins-zionism
https://assets.press.princeton.edu/chapters/p10098.pdf
https://crossculturalsolidarity.com/examples-of-jewish-muslim-solidarity-in-world-history/
I don't believe to be possible because leftists can't even cooperate building a Lego, but if this "Glorious Revolution" ever happens, I guarantee you guys that they will commission a genocide against Jews. They will disguise it as "antizionist dismantlement," but they will target every Jew and its institution that gets even a whiff of "zionism." Anf because they associated anything Jewish with Zionism, they go will after everybody.
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