#what about mizumono??

[hannibalspubes]

Honestly the first scene In Hannibal that I was left thinking “are they actually about to kiss??” Was in season 2, episode 7 when Will holds Hannibal at gun point. I could not stop imagining will dropping the gun, slamming Hannibal into the wall like he was gonna kill him but just smashing their faces together instead. Raw, angry, messy. Then I think he would just push away and walk out. the rest of the show would carry on like normal and will would ignore it.

Until the cliff scene when they kiss again

The sexual tension between me and the man holding a gun to my head

[barredindawn]

i remember thinking some people will like this one (i am barely coherent and just wanted to hide spoilers for people)

[absowution]

"Your bones will be a souvenir of what could have been" had no right to go as hard as it did. Even in the aftermath of betrayal Durge's name will be tied to Gortash's. It's romantic. It's giving huge nasty breakup vibes. If they are to part ways let death never be too far behind.

[ghostdrinkssoup]

thinking about how abigail only has one real double in the show. sure she has the other dead girls, but they’re just copies of her. fakes. they weren’t real in the eyes of her father. they’re so hollow we don’t know anything about them other than their likeness to abigail, and abigail foils no one else. except one other girl: mischa. hannibal’s golden ticket. the only girl that really matters. the girl will has to chase the ghost of because he desperately wants to understand hannibal, and he knows this is the only way he can, so he visits his ancestral home and finds chiyoh. because ultimately abigail wasn’t the girl all the other girls were mirroring, at least not from a narrative point of view. to hannibal, her new father, she was just another copy of a girl who died a long time ago and could never really replace

[super-who-locked-me-in-here]

I've been busy falling back into some of my hyperfixations from high school, specifically the visual novel game Cinderella Phenomenon and can I just say that as a person who has the Hannibal episode Mizumono and the Destiel confession scene from Supernatural living rent free in my head that Waltz's bad ending in Cinderella Phenomenon is the single most devastating ending to a piece of media I've ever had to experience

[bottombaron]

so, if Laszlo takes the fall for Guillermo like I predicted and Nandor kills him or both of them or all of them (and then feels real bad abt it and brings him/them back via wish), I know a lot of ppl who are already down on Nandor here are going to swell in numbers and everyones going to hate on him and w/e and anyways I just want people to know something real important

sit down

breath this in

take it to heart...

hes going to be so fucking hot doing it

[pesky--dust]

EDIT: I just realized that he would probably kill her instead of Antony Dimmond and now I kinda wish it happened. Like— it would be so persuasive and metaphorical at the same time.

I know that I'm late to that party, but this gets me.

I mean��� wouldn't he simply kill her in “Mizumono” or at all? If at all, then all the possibilities what to do with Abigail in the third season! If he would kill her anyway, then yup, “Mizumono” was the most powerful choice for doing so.

[love-songs-for-emma]

i think will knew he was special considering he tells hannibal he's all alone and that they're alone without each other. will understands that hannibal is alone even with all the other murderers he surrounds himself with, because he cannot find the same fulfillment in the company of others as he does with will because only will can see him and understand him and take away his loneliness.

hi anon ! thanks for sending this bc it's smth i've been meaning to expand on for awhile. i wrote a post many moons ago abt it and have another ask thats just been Waiting for a proper reply (srry!) and maybe now's the time to address it

okay so. i think this ask is in reference to my tags on a recent reblog, screencapped here for reference:

i think youre right that will is aware that he's special to hannibal, considering he's special enough to be one of the patients hannibal decides to try and coerce into their "Becoming." but! i do question will's understanding of the Depth of his uniqueness to hannibal.

in shiizakana (s2e9), after will finds out about randall tier having been hannibal's patient and margot visits him at home to chat abt hannibal's therapy, will has a bit of a stress fit in his next session:

pacing the room, avoiding the chair. he's questioning what he has in common with hannibal's other patients... he wonders how many others there have been – even bringing up his brief conversation with hannibal's own therapist who tells will he isnt in a particularly unique dynamic with hannibal

but. this is in shiizakana, 3 eps before the quote you're referencing. so let's move forward and see what's changed:

in tome-wan (s2e12), will finally gets to properly speak with the famed dr. du maurier and he asks how they can bring down hannibal. her only advice being

so. hannibal's got a bit of an ego (shocker). and during their next session,, things get a lil dicey. will leans hard into this idea. he essentially lists off all the work hannibal's done to get will to be entirely his

i'd like to argue that will doesn't see this list as a "why im special to hannibal" list but rather a way to stroke hannibal's ego, like bedelia had explicitly said would be hannibal's downfall. bc the fact is,, will Knows hannibal can and likely has done this level of insane shit to others. and narratively,, i'd say a lot of will's dialogue in this scene is influenced by bedelia's advice from the scene before where she advises will to stroke hanninal's whimsey and his need to feel Unique, even god-like. and hannibal even sees will seeing him!

so yeah will's saying "we're unique together," but that's also flattery on his part towards hannibal.! he's using hannibal's knowledge of his empathy to convince him that Only Will Gets Him. he's saying "yes ive been applying myself to your perspective and u are so unique and special." it's will manipulating BACK. (thats our powerful lil gay.) and i'd argue that all these layers of lies and deceit leave little room for truth and Feelings to leak through the cracks. how much of what hannibal says does will believe? how much of what will himself says does he believe?

all of this and we're still left questioning: does will know just how important and special he is to hannibal? well. i'l leave yall with some words from bedelia

[stuck-in-the-ghost-zone]

if anyone needs me i will be rewatching trigun 98 and tristamp over and over until my brain explodes

[bearclawswriting]

I agreeeeee with this, especially about the part about Hannibal being on the ace spectrum. Their relationship is centred around power, obsession and control, and surprisingly sex isn’t really factored into that. I’m of the mind that sex is a performance for Hannibal, something he gives to other people for reasons other than pleasure

I don't think Hannibal and Will ever kissed nor had sex in the entire series and I don't think they would have for a long time after the fall

I always see people saying stuff like "omg they totally had sex between those scenes" and creating fics about that, but even if I think it would be kinda funny and interesting, I also think it contradicts a lot about how the show established their relationship was like at the time. Will just fully accepted Hannibal and Hannibal just truly gave up control after the fall

Yes they are obviously very horny and desperate for each other but I think that even after the fall they wouldn't immediately get romantically (being officially a couple and stuff) nor sexually involved

I think they would need to really get used to being vulnerable around each other before doing anything of the sorts. And in this time after the fall they both know they're together in some non traditional way without ever really talking about it. As the time passes they eventually would get to the "what are we?" conversation but that would take a lot of time and a lot of drinking

I like to imagine that after the fall they run away and go live together (obviously) and they would behave like a couple but not exactly be one. They would slowly start doing things like drinking, changing clothes, sleeping and bathing together and stuff like that but it would all be non sexual and they'd both take their time getting used to doing that

Because let's be honest, neither of them have any idea of how to behave and how their relationship would work and they're both rediscovering each other in an entirely different way, and they're both so scared of separating again

I just really don't see their relationship being as sexual as people expect it to be that's it thanks for listening to my non sense rambling

(yes they're relationship is obviously sexual I'm not trying to say it isn't, this is just my idea of them getting used to each other after the fall)

[honeygrahambitch]

Ok but sleeping with Alana couldn't have been extremely entertaining to Hannibal. He might have enjoyed it from the point of view that Alana is a gorgeous woman + he was very much aware he was good at what he was doing but that's it. I am not saying Alana would be bland, maybe sleeping together was even fun but that's it.

Hannibal is a sadist. Will calls the Ripper a sadist in the first season so not only is it something obvious to draw from Hannibal's actions but it's confirmed by Will as well. And sadism doesn't resume to crimes. Sadism doesn't stop where sexual preferences begin.

Is he also a masochist? Ummm yes and no. No because he has a god complex and he is a sadist in the first place. He inflicts pain, he needs to be in control of who is suffering. He decides when and how and for how long. He can't stand being vulnerable so no. However yes, only when it comes to Will. Their back and forth flirting ("i send someone to kill you, you send someone to kill me"), Will shooting him almost two times, Will almost stabbing him in Dolce etc, was probably how Hannibal might have discovered a truth about himself: pain feels good if it comes from Will Graham.

Will himself could have walked away from Hannibal after being acquitted but he did not. Will could have let Hannibal go after Mizumono. Will could have let Hannibal rot in jail. He didn't do any of these because the pain that comes from Hannibal is the good type of pain. It's intimate and it's dark and it's coming from someone who knows his limits. So Will himself is a masochist for the simple fact that he keeps chasing Hannibal.

As for the sadist part, Will sure has some "shades of gray" but he is not yet fully comfortable with them. Hannibal on the other hand, as I mentioned, is for sure the type who needs to inflict pain.

[arkashas]

Hannibal 2.13 Mizumono

Bryan Fuller: What I love about this moment is that Hannibal gives Will the opportunity to come clean and be forgiven.

David Slade: Yeah for me in a way it is almost like the couple where one of them has an affair but that could be forgiven if only they would admit it and start anew - there's time to cast off the other woman, if you can call Jack that. And uh - the greater betrayal is the denial not the act.

Bryan Fuller: Yes, like the act up until this point is justifiable but Hannibal is giving Will the opportunity to tell the truth and he doesn't take it.

[graciereadshannigram]

y'know, sometimes i can't get over how impulsively hannibal acted in mizumono like, baby girl, he called you to warn you the FBI knew!!! maybe wait two seconds before whipping out the knife and gutting the love of your life because maybe, just maybe, there's an explanation that isn't "will betrayed me, i must forgive him the way God forgives."

and then i remember.

hannibal didn't give a fuck about garret jacob hobbs when he called and said, "they know." he was just curious about what would happen. it was for his own amusement.

so of course when will calls and says the same exact words, hannibal doesn't see it as the genuine gesture will meant it to be. how could he? all he knows is that will lied to him about freddie, refused to run away with him and insisted on confronting jack, and is now calling hannibal to taunt him and see what he does. all of will's actions have been for his own amusement.

and oh boy, does hannibal put on a show. "you want to see what i'm capable of? fucking watch me."

[ghostdrinkssoup]

@horrorlesbians YOU POPPED OFF WITH THESE TAGS YOU’RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT

thinking about the plot of nbc hannibal from jack crawford’s pov is so wild because it’s like,, imagine you’re trying to solve this murder and you know a guy who’s a little weird but can do the job better than anyone so you hire him, and then it turns out he needs some mental help because he’s got an empathy disorder so you get him to see the eccentric psychiatrist everyone has vouched for and you’re like yeah, he’s polite and mild-mannered and wears silly suits it’ll be cool. and all the while your wife is dying of cancer and things are quickly spiralling out of control and before you know it the empath is seriously losing his mind and that psychiatrist from earlier is actually lowkey a cannibal and you think you’re gonna catch him but then the empath falls in love with him ?? deadass ?? and the empath ruins your whole operation because he wants to be swept off his feet and melt into the darkness or whatever the hell he’s been whispering about ?? and he chases the cannibal to florence in his stupid fishing boat and now they’re speaking in riddles and romanticising cannibalism and staring deeply into each other’s eyes while you’re trying to grieve your dead wife, until the cannibal turns himself in because they broke up ?? like for real this time, it’s over over 🙄 but it doesn’t matter because years later you’re still dealing with their bullshit because now they’re quoting romeo and juliet to each other from across the glass in the insane asylum and being bitchy and jealous like. I’d shoot myself

[solitaryearthperson]

It's Time

Summary: When Hannibal visits you, you must make an important decision.

(The reader is 18+ and is gender-neutral. The ethnicity/race is preferably black/person of color.)

takes place towards the end of episode 2x13 "Mizumono."

I hope he's okay, you wondered as you rushed up to your front door, holding the handle of your umbrella tightly while trying to dig into your pocket for your key. Hannibal had been acting weird for a while now. At first, you thought it was his work (and after hours work) getting to him along with Will getting close to exposing him, but there was something else now. He was always careful and confident about how he disposed of any evidence of his affairs, and the time spent between you were filled with no stress or frustrations, just luxury cooking and relaxation. But now that has changed. When he spent time with you now, he seemed to no longer be relaxed and confident, and instead was always on his guard. It was something you weren't used to seeing on him.

As you finally pulled your keys out, you felt your phone in your pocket and was quickly reminded of what you first needed to do when you go inside: check your phone. While having dinner with some old friends, you had felt your phone vibrating with texts over and over. Every now and then, when you checked to see who the sender was, you saw that few of them were from Hannibal, and were very cryptic.

Holding your door key, you tried to put it in the lock when you noticed your door was already slightly ajar.

Did someone break in my house, you wondered, slowly pushing the door open wider. Stepping inside, you tried to be quiet as you closed the umbrella, shaking off the rainwater outside, before gripping it tightly in your hand. Taking quiet steps, you first walked to your living room, holding the umbrella tightly in your hand, ready to fight the intruder if you had to, only to find it empty. Letting out a sigh, you ran your eyes across the room, looking for anything out of the ordinary, but found none.

Maybe they're hiding somewhere else, you wondered, then turned to make your way to your room, holding your umbrella upon as if it was a baseball bat.

If they're too big, I'll call the police, then Hannibal, you thought, stopping outside your closed bedroom door with your heart beating fast.

Just as you thought up the doctor's name, his voice spoke up from the other side of the door. "It is me, love."

Sighing relieved, you instantly dropped your umbrella on the ground, then opened the door, ready to greet him, only to find the man standing next to your bed, clothes already laid out, while still naked and soaking wet.

"Hannibal!" You yelled in shock, trying to divert your eyes. You had seen him naked plenty of times, but you still tried to be respectful. "W-What's going on? Why're you here?" Never had Hannibal ever broke into your house, even when you found out about his peculiar diet. When asked, he told you that he considered it 'rude.'

"Forgive me for breaking in, but I needed to quickly wash myself and inform you that it is time."

At that you looked back to him and found that he'd already put on his boxers and was now putting on his pants.

"It's time?"

"It's time," he repeated, his voice neutral.

Oh shit, you thought, realizing what he meant. It had been a while back, but you and him had discussed what to do in case he was ever found out. Shit...Will must've actually did it.

"Why'd you come here to shower?"

"If you plan to come with me like you promised, then I'll tell you," he said, grabbing a fresh white button shirt and putting it on next. "If you've changed your mind, then I'll say my goodbye and leave you. Have you?"

Have I? You wondered. You weren't a killer like Hannibal, at least not yet, but you still knew what he's done, and continued to be by his side through it all. You've ate his food knowing what it was and never felt guilty after. I am technically a killer by association. If the FBI can't arrest him, then they'll definitely arrest me...Do I want to leave him though? Looking at him, patiently buttoning up his shirt as you silently contemplated your decision, you noticed how his hair was still wet and his movements were slow and calm as if he wasn't a man that the FBI would be soon having a nation-wide manhunt over. He was a killer, but you loved him, and after all the time you've spent with him, you still weren't sure whether an individual like him was capable of love or not. He's let me live all this time, so he definitely feels some type of fondness for me, you reasoned.

"I think-"

As bad as it may sound, no one has ever come close to giving me what I need like he has. No one's made me smile, laugh, or even pleasured me like he has.

"I'll pack as fast as I can."

"Ten minutes. We're going to leave the country."

"Where're we going?" You asked, watching as he picked up a neck tie from the bed, and began wrapping it around his neck.

"Italy. Florence."

[k1ngl30n]

Everyone's getting mad over the 'he's still trying to come to terms with himself' and 'seven seasons?' lines, but... I agree?

Hannibal, as a show, was never meant to be cancelled so early. Bryan had plans for the fifth, sixth, ninth season before season one had even began production. Will's character arc was meant to be more embellished; his embrace of Hannibal was more a halfway point than his full Becoming. He fell into the ocean, accepting Hannibal's influence, but that doesn't mean that he accepts his love for Hannibal yet (I don't actually believe they fell but that's for a whole other post) or that he would kill willingly, and not because he's trying to protect someone (all throughout the show, he's only ever killed for protection. He's still canonically a guard dog, and not the wild wolf Hannibal desperately wants him to become)

Will WAS still trying to come to terms with himself -- but he was ALSO in love with Hannibal. He just didn't know he was, and that, I think, is the entire point of Bedelia's confirmation; he had a suspicion on what that feeling was, and he needs to come to terms with how the only time he has felt this powerful, all-consuming love was when *Hannibal* was around, and how more of his 'normal' life was a lie than he thought. He needs seven seasons (although that number was actually a joke -- come on, guys) to become the happy, domestic, problem-free murder husband that fandom wants him to become because of this. He is a complex character with an exceptionally long list of internal conflicts, and Bryan undoubtedly had many, many obstacles to throw in his way before he was allowed to settle down with Hannibal.

In short, just because fandom wants it to happen, doesn't mean that it should.

I can guarantee that majority of people could have heard 'murder husbands real?????' in S1 and wanted to skip S2, S3, and however many more seasons until they could watch just the on-the-run fantasy of Hannigram. But, factually, this isn't a payoff until you overcome the challenges -- there is no sassy S2 Will without the imprisonment, there is no manipulative Will without the encephalitis, there is no relationship without Mizumono making them realise that they had one to begin with. There is none of their love until you go through the hardship they went through to earn it.

There is no powerful, consuming Murder Husbands love until they jump over the hurdles to get to it. Would you rather they settle now, or they reach whatever final stage they were meant to get to in order to become well and truly conjoined?

Thank you for coming to my TED talk; please ask me about the retconning of autistic Will Graham

(p.s. PLEASE let me know if I missed something else that he said that everybody should ideally 100% disagree with. I haven't watched any of the panels yet, just reading the complaints people have about those two lines in particular)