#what about mizumono??

[hannibalspubes]

Honestly the first scene In Hannibal that I was left thinking “are they actually about to kiss??” Was in season 2, episode 7 when Will holds Hannibal at gun point. I could not stop imagining will dropping the gun, slamming Hannibal into the wall like he was gonna kill him but just smashing their faces together instead. Raw, angry, messy. Then I think he would just push away and walk out. the rest of the show would carry on like normal and will would ignore it.

Until the cliff scene when they kiss again

The sexual tension between me and the man holding a gun to my head

[barredindawn]

i remember thinking some people will like this one (i am barely coherent and just wanted to hide spoilers for people)

[trashwithvariety]

Days Since Last Hannibal Crashout

*adds a zero*

[absowution]

"Your bones will be a souvenir of what could have been" had no right to go as hard as it did. Even in the aftermath of betrayal Durge's name will be tied to Gortash's. It's romantic. It's giving huge nasty breakup vibes. If they are to part ways let death never be too far behind.

[ghostdrinkssoup]

thinking about how abigail only has one real double in the show. sure she has the other dead girls, but they’re just copies of her. fakes. they weren’t real in the eyes of her father. they’re so hollow we don’t know anything about them other than their likeness to abigail, and abigail foils no one else. except one other girl: mischa. hannibal’s golden ticket. the only girl that really matters. the girl will has to chase the ghost of because he desperately wants to understand hannibal, and he knows this is the only way he can, so he visits his ancestral home and finds chiyoh. because ultimately abigail wasn’t the girl all the other girls were mirroring, at least not from a narrative point of view. to hannibal, her new father, she was just another copy of a girl who died a long time ago and could never really replace

[super-who-locked-me-in-here]

I've been busy falling back into some of my hyperfixations from high school, specifically the visual novel game Cinderella Phenomenon and can I just say that as a person who has the Hannibal episode Mizumono and the Destiel confession scene from Supernatural living rent free in my head that Waltz's bad ending in Cinderella Phenomenon is the single most devastating ending to a piece of media I've ever had to experience

[90494]

[bottombaron]

so, if Laszlo takes the fall for Guillermo like I predicted and Nandor kills him or both of them or all of them (and then feels real bad abt it and brings him/them back via wish), I know a lot of ppl who are already down on Nandor here are going to swell in numbers and everyones going to hate on him and w/e and anyways I just want people to know something real important

sit down

breath this in

take it to heart...

hes going to be so fucking hot doing it

[memientom0ri]

Similarities between Inhun/457 and Hannigram; personal analysis of the attitudes that connect these characters 💭

Starting with actor Lee Byung Hun's face. I don't even need to go into details...

• Villain disguised as a hero;

Inho/001 x Hannibal Lecter

Both wear a good guy disguise to get close to and mentally and psychologically manipulate their "target" of obsession, taking actions to impress and defend the target that sometimes make us question their villainy towards the good guy.

Both Inho and Hannibal seem to be desperately searching for a trace of understanding and similarity in someone towards themselves. Hannibal became obsessed with Will when he saw this similarity in him (both characters misunderstood by society, mentally broken and with difficulties in expressing and understanding their own emotions), and just like the cannibal, Inho saw something similar in Gihun, therefore, feeling the need to, somehow, get close to him to keep him under his control.

"But Inho and Gihun are completely different", yes, just like Hannibal and Will; that doesn't stop the characters from identifying with each other psychologically.

In my opinion, Inho saw in Gihun an ambition and confidence that piqued his interest. "But Gihun is not ambitious or self-centered" No, he is not, not materially speaking. Gihun's ambition comes from the will he has over the things he sets out to do. He is ambitious about what he wants and this ambition is accompanied by a hyper-empathy bordering on masochism, considering that Gihun returned to the game not only because of his desire to end it, but because of the guilt of having survived when people died, because of the desire to prevent other deaths. This hyper-empathy also shows up in other scenes, and this is where Will comes in.

• The hyper-empathetic good guy;

Will Graham × Seong Gihun

Unlike Will's hyper-empathy, which manifests itself through his ability to put himself in the Assassin's shoes and mentally experience the murders, Gihun's empathy is blatant, making us feel a little angry and uncomfortable with the situations in which 456 puts himself by thinking more about others than about himself. A scene that left me in agony was in season 2, in the first game, where he runs from the safe area to pick up a man who was shot in the leg. The man would have been killed anyway, but he insisted on picking him up with less than 30 seconds to go.

Unlike 456's blatant empathy, which almost makes him seem naive in several scenes (like when he gives his only extra ammunition to Inho to save himself in the future), Will's empathy is more "dark" and firm. Will doesn't trust people easily, much less Hannibal, while 456 trusts Inho/001 right away and from the first contact they are inseparable.

• Jealousy, Control and Possessiveness

I think that after their faces, these are the characteristics that Hannibal and Inho have most in common. Neither of them want their good boys to have anyone other than themselves. We can see Hannibal eliminating the people who get close to Will throughout the series, but with Inho, we follow the stages and moments of this jealousy until it reaches its peak (the final episode that resembles Mizumono). Inho observed Gihun's interactions with Jungbae (Gihun's longtime friend) in silence, just processing each moment and creating a mental bomb that would explode in the future (like when Jungbae made Gihun laugh, at night in the dorms, and the scene cuts to 001 listening under the bed in total DISGUST).

• Mizumono

Both villains analyzed here need to control their targets of obsession, manipulating them and trying to build a home in their heads, and when they realize they have been "betrayed", that's when the bomb explodes.

Hannibal felt betrayed by Will when he learned that he was helping in a plan against him behind his back (but we know that Will was so confused about his feelings and morality that he didn't even know who to go with), and then killed Abgail in front of him after a heartbreaking speech.

Inho felt betrayed by Gihun when, during a shootout in the player vs. soldier attack, Gihun said he would go inside to find the way out. Inho asked: "Shall I go with you?", and Gihun simply said that Jungbae would go with him. Later, Jungbae asks 456 why he chose him and not 001 who is more skilled with weapons, and Gihun answers that he chose him because they are friends. The next scene suggests that Inho, disappointed, listened behind the communicator, but we don't know if the communicators were on or not...

It's worth noting the expression on Inho's face when Gihun said that Jungbae was the one who would...

(POOR GUY 456 APOLOGIZE TO HIM AND TAKE HIM WITH YOU NOW

The Mizumono between 456 and 001 happens thanks to this event, when, later, after putting on his masked Boss costume, Inho goes to Gihun and Jungbae on the stairs. Just like Hannibal, he says heartbroken words (less dramatic and more angry) and eliminates Jungbae in front of Gihun.

Both killed people close and important to their targets out of possessiveness and hurt, out of a sick and incomprehensible feeling of betrayal; feelings that only they understand.

How can little sweet creatures like this be so DESTRUCTIVE.

There doesn't seem to be a need and mutual dependence in 457 like there is in Hannigram (at least not yet, there's still one season left), the obsession and interest come from Inho, but there is a notable chemistry and tension, smiles and exchanges of OBVIOUS glances.

I know that Hannigram is complex and very intense, I'm not making an extremely serious comparison, but rather recording some points that I observed and since I love both couples, I wanted to do this. The depth of the characters is obviously different, we're just making a fan observation here. ♡

[bearclawswriting]

I agreeeeee with this, especially about the part about Hannibal being on the ace spectrum. Their relationship is centred around power, obsession and control, and surprisingly sex isn’t really factored into that. I’m of the mind that sex is a performance for Hannibal, something he gives to other people for reasons other than pleasure

I don't think Hannibal and Will ever kissed nor had sex in the entire series and I don't think they would have for a long time after the fall

I always see people saying stuff like "omg they totally had sex between those scenes" and creating fics about that, but even if I think it would be kinda funny and interesting, I also think it contradicts a lot about how the show established their relationship was like at the time. Will just fully accepted Hannibal and Hannibal just truly gave up control after the fall

Yes they are obviously very horny and desperate for each other but I think that even after the fall they wouldn't immediately get romantically (being officially a couple and stuff) nor sexually involved

I think they would need to really get used to being vulnerable around each other before doing anything of the sorts. And in this time after the fall they both know they're together in some non traditional way without ever really talking about it. As the time passes they eventually would get to the "what are we?" conversation but that would take a lot of time and a lot of drinking

I like to imagine that after the fall they run away and go live together (obviously) and they would behave like a couple but not exactly be one. They would slowly start doing things like drinking, changing clothes, sleeping and bathing together and stuff like that but it would all be non sexual and they'd both take their time getting used to doing that

Because let's be honest, neither of them have any idea of how to behave and how their relationship would work and they're both rediscovering each other in an entirely different way, and they're both so scared of separating again

I just really don't see their relationship being as sexual as people expect it to be that's it thanks for listening to my non sense rambling

(yes they're relationship is obviously sexual I'm not trying to say it isn't, this is just my idea of them getting used to each other after the fall)

[honeygrahambitch]

Ok but sleeping with Alana couldn't have been extremely entertaining to Hannibal. He might have enjoyed it from the point of view that Alana is a gorgeous woman + he was very much aware he was good at what he was doing but that's it. I am not saying Alana would be bland, maybe sleeping together was even fun but that's it.

Hannibal is a sadist. Will calls the Ripper a sadist in the first season so not only is it something obvious to draw from Hannibal's actions but it's confirmed by Will as well. And sadism doesn't resume to crimes. Sadism doesn't stop where sexual preferences begin.

Is he also a masochist? Ummm yes and no. No because he has a god complex and he is a sadist in the first place. He inflicts pain, he needs to be in control of who is suffering. He decides when and how and for how long. He can't stand being vulnerable so no. However yes, only when it comes to Will. Their back and forth flirting ("i send someone to kill you, you send someone to kill me"), Will shooting him almost two times, Will almost stabbing him in Dolce etc, was probably how Hannibal might have discovered a truth about himself: pain feels good if it comes from Will Graham.

Will himself could have walked away from Hannibal after being acquitted but he did not. Will could have let Hannibal go after Mizumono. Will could have let Hannibal rot in jail. He didn't do any of these because the pain that comes from Hannibal is the good type of pain. It's intimate and it's dark and it's coming from someone who knows his limits. So Will himself is a masochist for the simple fact that he keeps chasing Hannibal.

As for the sadist part, Will sure has some "shades of gray" but he is not yet fully comfortable with them. Hannibal on the other hand, as I mentioned, is for sure the type who needs to inflict pain.

[scarletdreamers]

I'll literally never get over how gorgeously unique and intense the eroticism between Hannibal and Will is. How far it goes beyond physical desire. How they really, truly, only have each other. There's no one else for them, no matter how much they hurt and hate each other, there's a special space inside of them that belongs to the other that, once empty, just cannot be replaced. Hannibal attempted this with Bedelia after he was convinced Will betrayed him in Mizumono, Will did this with Molly, yet they circle back to each other because they're buried inside each other's true selves so deeply not being together is like missing a vital organ. Barely survivable. Existing but not truly living. They really only achieve that with each other. Their relationship is so violent and yet so immensely tender, because they hate each other for what they did but know that they are immensely lucky to have met each other. Both feel like love ruined them, both are awfully terrified of it, because they have nothing else. They harm and damage each other beyond repair but they also fix each other's broken hearts. Each other's loneliness and alienation. They give each other a place in the world, in someone elses arms, someone elses deep affection. They don't want to kill each other but they fantasize about it because their in their aggression lay their deepest affections, their honest desires. The need to own each other, to dominate and be dominated, the absolute ache to see and know as much of each other as possible, in and out. They love each other deeply, and the fact that they show it in a way that only makes sense to them only adds to the idea of it being them against the world. In a general sense, they are unhealthy for one another, but because it's them, it really is the only way to go. It's their best possible way to carry out their bond. Because they aren't normal people, the likes of their love is not comparable to that of normal people, and because of that, their way works perfectly for them. They were designed to be each other's ruin. One another's begin and end, soulmates and polar opposites. Eternally damned to be unable to truly love anyone but the other.

[rottentome]

Thinking about the aftermath of mizumono. Did Hannibal take Wills jacket to Italy with him? Did it smell like Will's crappy aftershave? Did Abigail have a funeral? What did Freddie write about this? How much did they have to lie to the press? Do they think back to what happened when it rains heavily? How much time did Will spend in Hannibals house afterwards?

[ghostdrinkssoup]

@horrorlesbians YOU POPPED OFF WITH THESE TAGS YOU’RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT

thinking about the plot of nbc hannibal from jack crawford’s pov is so wild because it’s like,, imagine you’re trying to solve this murder and you know a guy who’s a little weird but can do the job better than anyone so you hire him, and then it turns out he needs some mental help because he’s got an empathy disorder so you get him to see the eccentric psychiatrist everyone has vouched for and you’re like yeah, he’s polite and mild-mannered and wears silly suits it’ll be cool. and all the while your wife is dying of cancer and things are quickly spiralling out of control and before you know it the empath is seriously losing his mind and that psychiatrist from earlier is actually lowkey a cannibal and you think you’re gonna catch him but then the empath falls in love with him ?? deadass ?? and the empath ruins your whole operation because he wants to be swept off his feet and melt into the darkness or whatever the hell he’s been whispering about ?? and he chases the cannibal to florence in his stupid fishing boat and now they’re speaking in riddles and romanticising cannibalism and staring deeply into each other’s eyes while you’re trying to grieve your dead wife, until the cannibal turns himself in because they broke up ?? like for real this time, it’s over over 🙄 but it doesn’t matter because years later you’re still dealing with their bullshit because now they’re quoting romeo and juliet to each other from across the glass in the insane asylum and being bitchy and jealous like. I’d shoot myself

[arkashas]

Hannibal 2.13 Mizumono

Bryan Fuller: What I love about this moment is that Hannibal gives Will the opportunity to come clean and be forgiven.

David Slade: Yeah for me in a way it is almost like the couple where one of them has an affair but that could be forgiven if only they would admit it and start anew - there's time to cast off the other woman, if you can call Jack that. And uh - the greater betrayal is the denial not the act.

Bryan Fuller: Yes, like the act up until this point is justifiable but Hannibal is giving Will the opportunity to tell the truth and he doesn't take it.

[crimsondinnerparty]

Hannibal, the Cannibal, and the Man Who Made Him Starve

Hannibal Lecter’s entire identity is built on the concept of consumption—of others, of experiences, of power. He devours not just bodies, but lives, souls, and control. It’s what makes him so terrifying: he doesn’t just kill, he consumes his victims in the most profound and intimate way possible. They become part of him, swallowed whole, stripped of their humanity and reformed into his idea of *art*. Hannibal is the **ultimate predator**, and his hunger is insatiable.

But then, Will Graham enters his life, and Hannibal finds himself faced with something he cannot consume. Will Graham isn’t a regular target. He isn’t a piece of art, nor is he someone easily twisted into Hannibal’s vision of humanity. Will is the **mirror**, the one person who sees through Hannibal completely, who resists his manipulation. Will is the exception, and he refuses to be devoured.

The Hunger Begins:-

In Season 1, Hannibal’s interest in Will is almost clinical. He observes Will’s brilliant mind, his sensitivity, his vulnerability, but never truly considers Will as a human being—he sees him more like a **specimen**, someone who could potentially be shaped, remade, or “eaten” in a different sense. He begins to teach Will, **grooming him to be his equal**, but without ever understanding that in doing so, he’s planting the seeds of his own undoing.

Hannibal, used to controlling everything around him, begins to lose that control with Will. He sees Will’s intellect, but more importantly, he sees Will’s ability to feel—to empathize, to understand emotions. Hannibal, who is all about mastering emotions, finds this fascinating, but it’s also something he can’t control. This fascination is the beginning of his hunger, and it’s a hunger that doesn’t easily satiate.

The First Taste of Loss:-

In Season 2, Hannibal’s obsession with Will grows deeper, more personal. It’s no longer just about seeing Will as an extension of his artistic project—Hannibal starts to care. He starts to want Will not just as an intellectual equal, but as someone who can understand him, someone who can *see him* for who he truly is.

But as much as Hannibal desires Will, he also underestimates him. He assumes that he can bend Will to his will—that through manipulation, gaslighting, and a constant game of cat-and-mouse, he can force Will to accept what he’s offering. This plan, however, begins to unravel when Will starts to question his own emotions, his own identity, and his connection to Hannibal. The reversal of roles becomes clear—Will begins to mirror Hannibal’s behavior, pulling Hannibal into his own psychological game.

Hannibal’s first taste of loss comes when Will betrays him. It’s not just an intellectual defeat—it’s personal. The idea that someone he loves could actively turn against him hits Hannibal in a place he’s never acknowledged: his own vulnerability. Will has not only rejected him, but he’s also gone behind his back, actively working against him. For someone like Hannibal, this is a blow to his ego, and the consequences of this loss are more profound than just losing Will.

Self-Denial: The Starvation:-

By the time we reach *Mizumono*, Hannibal is in agony—not just because of Will’s betrayal, but because of the profound emptiness that betrayal leaves behind. He has Will physically within his grasp, but he can’t consume him. Will has already betrayed him, and Hannibal has lost the one person who could have truly understood him.

In this moment, Hannibal chooses to starve.

He doesn’t eat.

He doesn’t kill Will.

And it’s not because he doesn’t want to—Hannibal has never avoided a kill. He’s never been afraid to

The Paradox of Hunger: Control vs. Surrender:-

Hannibal’s relationship with hunger and consumption in relation to Will becomes a paradox. On one hand, he wants to devour Will, to make him his own —to consume him wholly, both mentally and physically. But on the other hand, he wants Will to choose him. He wants Will to surrender, to fall into his arms, to see the world through Hannibal's eyes. He needs Will’s choice, not his subjugation.

This is the starvation that plagues Hannibal—he doesn’t just need to eat Will, he needs Will to give himself freely. Without that, Hannibal is left wanting, unsure of himself for the first time. For someone who prides himself on total control, Will’s rejection and betrayal leaves him in a state of hunger that can’t be easily filled by anything else. He isn’t just starving for Will’s body; he’s starving for Will’s soul, for the deep connection that he thought was within his grasp, but ultimately, Will has pulled away from him.

Final Thoughts: The Longing Never Ends:-

By the end of Mizumono, Hannibal's choice not to kill Will—or, even more telling, to let Will survive his betrayal—marks the culmination of his hunger. He doesn’t just want Will because he’s interesting or because he’s a challenge. No, Will becomes the one thing Hannibal cannot control, the one person who has the power to reject him completely. And that in itself becomes Hannibal’s addiction.

Hannibal doesn’t just eat people—he remakes them. But with Will, he finds himself starved, powerless, and completely consumed by his desire to have Will choose him.

The man who devours lives finds himself starving for the one person who refuses to be consumed—and for Hannibal, that’s the most excruciating fate of all.