#view odyssey

[lightbulbshineon]

I finally got my YouTube Rewind!

[imsaunteringvaguelydownwards]

genuinely how did normal people read Deadpool and Wolverine like- did they see them fighting for hours straight in a confined space in a clear innuendo for gay sex at face value of just them fighting-??? Did they see the hand holding as heterosexual??? I need answers

[artiquar]

my dear penelope, we've twenty lost years of love to make up for.

[iliadeleart]

Eris ~ Apple of my eye, sweet as bitter Strife 🍎 🐍

(WIP/sketch)

[lyculuscaelus]

So lately I’ve been seeing a lot of posts asking people to stop trying to make Odysseus look nice in their works cuz he’s a “messed-up person in the mythology”. Your opinion is valid however I have but one thing to point out:

You want to know who started all this? Who started to “make Odysseus look nice” in the first place?

It’s Homer. It’s nobody else but Homer himself.

A non-Homeric Odysseus would try to murder people out of his own interests. He’d murder Palamedes without remorse (and we’d be cheering over this but it’s a murder after all), he’d attempt to murder Diomedes just to get the Palladium himself, he’d volunteer to kill Astyanax…meanwhile you wouldn’t find any mention of either Palamedes or Nauplius in Homer’s poems, neither did he mention anything abt the Palladium heist (and Diomedes necessity did not happen until Conon’s version), the death of Astyanax, the distribution of war prizes, etc. And all the details in the Odyssey seemed to deny the existence of Nauplius’s vengeance at all, so Odysseus would not take any of the blame.

A non-Homeric Odysseus would be depicted as “cruel, treacherous”, meanwhile in book 10 of the Iliad Odysseus was not mentioned to have killed anyone during the marauding, neither did he promise Dolan anything at all. The negative interpretations are denied by these details subtly put by Homer.

A non-Homeric Odysseus would be widely known as a “coward” for only shooting arrows from afar. But Homer gave him a spear and had him absolutely slaying in both the Iliad and the Odyssey. That part of Ajax’s speech was invalid already.

Most importantly—a non-Homeric Odysseus would be having kids everywhere else, and the loyalty to his own wife as seen in the Odyssey is no where to be found. Meanwhile his lineage was a single-son line made by Zeus in the Odyssey, and his love for Penelope was one of his main drives, especially seen in book 5 of the Odyssey. He loved his family as a loving parent—something you don’t get to see in most of the non-Homeric writings—for most of the time they followed a different tradition indeed, in which Odysseus wasn’t half as nice as in the Odyssey.

TL;DR: in case you haven’t noticed, the characterization of the Homeric Odysseus was quite different from a non-Homeric version of Odysseus. It’s not that Homer didn’t know of the existence of other versions—he knew them too well, which is why in his version of the story, you don’t get to see any mention of them.

[gingermintpepper]

Okay, let's finally talk about EPIC's Apollo

I feel very compelled to say, first of all, that I do not dislike Epic. In fact, I am very fond of Epic and have been following its production and status very eagerly! I attend all the launch streams, I watch all of Herrans' update videos; I am, at the end of the day, a fan and I want it to be known that my words are spoken out of love and passion as much as they are spoken from a place of critique.

So really, what my problem with Epic's Apollo?

In the briefest possible terms; the choice to have Apollo be defined by his musical aspect in God Games is thematically strange. And not in the 'oh well in the Odyssey, Apollo was important to Odysseus and his family so it's weird that that wasn't kept in Epic' strange, strange in the sense that Odysseus' character arc since My Goodbye has been getting more and more obviously Apollonian and so it is positively bizarre that when we get to meet Apollo, the god seems entirely disinterested in him and his affairs. So much so that he is not even defined by any station that would indicate that he has been watching over and protecting Odysseus and his family.

What do I mean by 'Odysseus has been following an Apollonian arc'? I'm so glad you asked!

Remember Them is the last song in which Odysseus explicitly uses his sword until Mutiny where he must use it to defend himself against Eurylochus' blade. He uses it to help enact the plan to conquer Polyphemus and, due to Polites dying in that battle, Polites who wished for Odysseus to put the blade down entirely and embrace a post-war life, Odysseus also retires his sword. This is an action that symbolically separates him from Athena - and the image of Odysseus as a traditional warrior set for him in Horse and Infant - as much as My Goodbye physically separates him from the goddess and her war-ways - from this point onwards, Odysseus will no longer be leaning on Athena's wisdom or methods to solve his problems. Likewise, he will no longer be able to rely on her protection.

Odysseus thusly solves most of his upcoming problems through diplomacy and avoidance. He approaches Aeolus - a strange and ambiguous god (both in gender and in motivation) and appeals to them for help. Circe too, he approaches not with wishes to conquer or for revenge, but for the safe returning of his men and an alternate way forward. In all of these scenarios, there is some Apollonian element which is subtly interweaved alongside the influence of other gods; it is with a bow and arrows that Polyphemus' sheep is slain (and thus it is this Apollonian element which is at the root of Odysseus' spat with Poseidon), it is a vision of Penelope that warns Odysseus that his men are about to open Aeolus' wind-bag, Circe's peace offering to Odysseus is to refer him to a prophet of Apollo who has since died.

In this way, Apollo is walking alongside Odysseus for all of his journey after Athena departs - even in the Underworld, he is guiding him. It is Tiresias' proclamation that is the last straw for Odysseus, it is by the power of a mouthpiece of Apollo that Odysseus decides to embrace his ruthlessness. It is with the bow and arrow that Odysseus subdues the siren who sought to trick him, likewise, Odysseus does not attempt to undermine or escape the fate of paying Scylla's passage price - he knows of the doom about to befall the six men and quite unlike the rest of the journey until this point, he does not fight against it. This all comes to a head on Thrinacia where it is a blade which sacrifices the sun god's cow and brings destruction upon the crew once more.

My point with all of this is that when I heard the teasers for God Games years ago, it made perfect sense to me that Apollo would be Round One - he is not Odysseus' adversary and has no reason to oppose Athena's wish to free him. From other teasers about what will happen in the climax of Epic, Apollo will still be walking alongside Odysseus - it is Apollo's bow that Penelope will give the suitors to string. Likewise, it is Apollo's bow that will prove Odysseus' legitimacy and identity. That bow will be the power by which Odysseus hunts his adversaries and cleans out his palace - it is Apollo who is the avatar of Odysseus' ruthlessness, not Athena.

So tell me, truly, what was the point of having Apollo raise a non-argument in God Games? Why have him appear unconcerned, aloof and slightly oblivious? Why have him appear in his capacity as the Lord of Music at all?? And if the intention was never to make Apollo an active player in Odysseus' life like he was in the Odyssey, why keep Odysseus as a primary archer?

The answer of course is that Apollo is inextricable from the fabric of the Odyssey - his influence and favour exudes from Odysseus just as much as Athena's. In Athena's ten year sulk, it would have been Apollo who kept Telemachus and Penelope safe. It would have been Apollo protecting Odysseus from Poseidon's gaze as he travelled the seas (according to the Odyssey anyway)

Forgive me for not being excited about something that I thought was being purposefully set up. I was extremely ecstatic about all of the little Apollonian details that litter the sagas because I know where this story ends up (loosely) but all God Games did was reveal that maybe those Apollonian details were not intentional at all, but merely the ghost of the Apollo who persistently haunts those he favours, even if he cannot explicitly come to their aide in an adaptation.

[startedwellthatsentence]

I would like to reiterate in an original post that from Tristan’s point of view, Max rejected him professionally, reprimanded him in front of their boss, and then rejected him romantically, within about 1 hour. Then, instead of comforting him, Avery explained to him that she would only be with Tristan if Max was also there and then sexually manipulated him into attempting to get Max’s approval. So now he knows that if he doesn’t manage to succeed in getting Max, who just rejected them both and implied he was straight, back into bed with them, then he also loses Avery, and it will be his fault that they don’t work out.

[lovecraftiancicada]

Everywhere I go I see their faces

Game is from Tsuki Odyssey. They have little gacha figures you can collect, and I just had to put them next to each other

[jellyfish-perspective]

2001: A Space Odyssey (the book): We're in the future on a journey to Saturn! Beware, it gets pretty hazardous!

2001: A Space Odyssey (the film): eeeaaeaeeaieyeeiiaeiaAIIIIEAAEEEEYYAAAA!!!!

[greekmythcomix]

Excuse me I’m having a bit of a moment

When I started making my little comics it was for fun and for my classes and I had no life so I had all the time in the world to fall down endless rabbitholes of research and even do my own translations and make entire pages of panels in one night.

Now it’s ten years later and I have no time because I have a kid and a DIY project with a mortgage attached and a husband I actually want to spend time with and I ache everywhere and am so damn tired and I can barely find time or inclination in the week for a single panel because the research takes about a week and even then it’s not enough

And I wonder why I bother because now I’ve found you here, all you amazing artists who make absolutely beautiful mythology art and my diddy little explanatory comics for my classes with black and white stickmen look like what they are, a bit crap really, and who even sees them, and what does my work matter and why am I even bothering with my You Are Odysseus project when there are so many other worthy projects I could be doing and should be doing and who wants to hear from me anyway

So here’s me trying to make myself feel like I matter:

- 18 years of teaching Classical Civilisation, building my knowledge and reputation

- 11 and 15 years respectively teaching the Iliad and Odyssey

- 200+ schools and homeschoolers helped to take on or teach the Classical Covilisation GCSE in Classical Civilisation with lesson resources I made available

- 4 years of ClassicsTober prompts (JOY!)

- two awards from institutions I deeply respect

- so many comments on my YouTube videos that are variations on the same theme: ‘you made me understand’

✨- and I just noticed there are over 1 million pageviews on greekmythcomix.com✨

- and I do still actually enjoy making my silly little comics because creating and teaching make me feel ALIVE

Never stop creating what you love. What is the point in existing if we do?

[xtltokio]

Doctor Odyssey debuted its pilot with 14 million views

High Potential - 11 million

Matlock - 7 million

Brilliant Minds - 9 Million

This just proves that people are returning to watching from network, they miss tv show with more episodes and "case of the week".

[doloneia]

i cant believe homer invented the “and there was only one bed” trope in 800 BCE when telemachus and peisistratus of pylos go on a month-long coming of age journey together and bond over their shared grief over what they’ve lost in a war they were too young to remember anything before and they’re so close telemachus is nudging peisistratus awake with his foot at 2am and peisistratus isn’t even bothered by it he just goes “ughhh 5 more minutes.” hey did i mention there was only one bed

[definitelyimportantpost]

Fun Fact: Deep in the files of every mainline Etrian Odyssey game on the 3DS—those being Etrian Odysseys IV, Untold, 2 Untold, V, and Nexus—there is a file named "c_k01_a.stex". It contains this image of the protagonist of Persona 4, Yu Narukami:

It's likely that he's some kind of test file. What exactly he's there to test, I cannot say.

[ladyartichokie]

THE LAST SONGS IN EPIC: THE MUSICAL SAGAS>>>>>>>>

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Nostos: Il ritorno / Nostos: The Return Franco Piavoli. 1989

Ithaca Via della Torre, 25, 37022 Fumane VR, Italy See in map

See in imdb

[ash-tree-eyes]

Been paging through my copy of the Iliad, and the annotations I made in here last year are hilarious

This is how you’re meant to read the classics, right?