#usa is what zionists claim unrwa to be

[nomoresympathy-eh]

Oh, America. We already know the history of how IDF was created. We already know about the pact between nazis and zionists. You don't need to try to frame their nazi atrocities as anything but nazi atrocities. Don't you get that defending criminals will get you into the same Hellfire that they go?

[gotta-bail-my-quails]

The poster proceeds to bring up the point of Anti-semitism, which may be one of their very few, if any, valid arguments. They claim hating Zionists is "latent Jew-hatred" and that Zionism itself has no definition [even though the first thing that comes up when you search it up is a definition: noun 1) a movement for (originally) the re-establishment and (now) the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel. It was established as a political organization in 1897 under Theodor Herzl, and was later led by Chaim Weizmann.] Though they acknowledge only a small portion believe that Zionism is equivalent to Judaism, they accuse others of being complicit. They also mention the "equating [of Zionists] with Nazis"

Yes, antisemites will and have tried to use the conflict to encourage hatred of Jews. However, there are Jews everywhere who also argue for a free Palestine (something the poster doesn't agree with—again "one state under Israel") and it would be ridiculous to claim they are antisemitic. Holocaust survivors have even spoken out against Israel's actions. Frankly, Israel's aggression only hurts Jews by appropriating their name for their inhumane and oppressive cause.

We can only continue to speak out against antisemites (which as others have pointed out, also includes those discriminatiing against Arabs!) and responsibly inform ourselves.

On the specific point about comparing Zionists to Nazis, I would like to point to a post here (will try to link later if I can) of a quiz asking whether a phrase was said by Zionists or Nazis. It was so difficult to tell the difference if you did not have prior knowledge of the quotes, that it was basically blind guessing all the way through, with near 50/50 results.

The poster claims that this attitude causes Israelis or Jews to vote for Netanyahu's party—if they do, that says more about them and their priorities and opinions than anyone else's, in my opinion. 

The poster claims that disinformation and propaganda (from all sides*) are pumped out "in order to manipulate uneducated Westerners into supporting their interests". I'm actually uncertain if they mean to include Israeli propaganda in this though they list pro-Israel state USA because they then proceed to only address the issue when it comes to pro-Palestinian news.  I won't address this point much but I do at least agree that critical analysis of any information should be used. For instance, as I was doing (admittedly brief due to time) research for this response, I found that the IOF claimed videos of Palestinians holding white flags being shot were edited (who has the time or technology or resources for that in this war? Obviously the Hamas base under UNRWA or the hospitals they bombed /s). I had also found a post from twitter of an apparently false translation of Zionist chanting to make them seem more aggressive (rather than just celebrating the occupation of Palestine, hah…). I can't translate so I can't verify anything (and I don't even know if the person who apparently falsely translated wasn't some elaborate ploy to discredit pro-Palestinian movements either—see the problem here?) but I would like to emphasize it can go both ways. Remember the calendar claimed to be Hamas names? Yeah… And I recently saw a post of Palestinians apparently condemning Hamas for "rejecting a ceasefire" (not sure what event they are referencing—the first thing I found was that Hamas rejected an Egyptian offer because they wanted a permanent ceasefire; will have to research more later) but the poster was pro-Israel and furthermore the account which apparently translated it was also one that was seemingly pro-Israel so who can say what is true and what is not.

In this section they also speak of how this propaganda is meant to "destabilize Western democracy" (which, as I've already discussed, is ridiculous because Western democracy has already long been a sham. Re: Vietnam, Re: Donald Trump's election despite losing the popular vote, Re: this whole shitshow)

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I would like to preface this post with an acknowledgement that I have blocked the user who originally posted this. The main reason is because nothing would convince them to change their mind (especially because they seem to be intent on "changing minds" but only if it is from a Pro-Palestine to Pro-Israel mindset). That being said, this post I'm making may seem superfluous—why make a response if I don't want the person to see it? Mostly, I want to warn others of the rhetoric used against support for Palestine and—as I will soon address—because these people dared to bring up a subject personal to me and I will not stand to let it to be appropriated for this purpose.

I will be addressing one main post and a few other arguments used against Palestinian resistance.

The main post was posted on Tumblr, and was a respost of a post from Reddit. It is in image form below, but I will add the text if asked in a reblog. My response summarizes the points I address. Also I'm going to have to add my full response in multiple reblogs due to character limits.

The arguments can be summarized as thus:

I would like to preface this post with an acknowledgement that I have blocked the user who originally posted this. The main reason is because nothing would convince them to change their mind (especially because they seem to be intent on "changing minds" but only if it is from a Pro-Palestine to Pro-Israel mindset). That being said, this post I'm making may seem superfluous—why make a response if I don't want the person to see it? Mostly, I want to warn others of the rhetoric used against support for Palestine and—as I will soon address—because these people dared to bring up a subject personal to me and I will not stand to let it to be appropriated for this purpose.

I will be addressing one main post and a few other arguments used against Palestinian resistance.

The main post was posted on Tumblr, and was a respost of a post from Reddit. It is in image form below, but I will add the text if asked in a reblog.

The arguments can be summarized as thus:

The methods Western leftists use are ineffective and/or immoral due to idealism and radical approaches. The suggested solution is to give funds to "the Israeli left" and supporting a "reasonable solution" meaning a two-state or one-state under Israel solution, with a "humanitarian end" with a "unilateral Hamas surrender"

Here, they compare the "dream scenario that will never happen" to the situation in Vietnam. I presume they mean the opposition to the war, while the government continued to bomb the country more than all of Europe in WWII combined despite knowing full well they would lose and that they do not mean to make an analogy using the war as a whole. If they had, then I would like to make a snide comment here about the North winning despite the South having the US's support, but I will refrain. More than that, I would relate this to a later argument the poster makes about the "destabilization of Western democracy". Considering the poster is American, I will address this within a US context (although we should really explore the ways other Western countries are acting). This is a reflection of the failure of the power structures within the US as a whole, and not the ineffectiveness of the protests. The war in Vietnam was vastly unpopular but the executive department has historically used presidential power to push war—evidenced by the war power acts previously and Biden forcing through funding for the conflict now. The US is a republic, not a true democracy, and it is self-evident that the same reason the poster claim protests don't work invalidates their claims of an otherwise functioning Western democracy. I would go so far as to suggest revolution is being implied, but the poster evidently thinks resistance is hardly reasonable.

I am curious as to how the poster thinks positive changes have occurred, if they consider boycotts and the like are ineffective (they only say "it doesn't take a lot of thought" to see their point, but it seems to me they are avoiding the issue under the excuse of "common sense" and "brevity"). Most Americans (and most in general) do not have a direct hand in the government—California excepted, perhaps, given the proposition system—so, we turn to utilizing economic power and force. Unions, for one, have earned better treatment for workers for decades (remember the recent SAG-AFTRA strikes?) through the threat of withholding labor and therefore profits. After all, our world is one based heavily in economic-morality (which I am currently writing a separate essay on and which we may point to the response to Yemen right now).

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