#twin fantasy ftf

[wiishopwednesday]

sorry to be autistic but ive gotta tlak about csh for a minute because it really blows me away by how meta twin fantasy is ,like will created ftf as a reflection on the relationship he was in and the emotions he was feeling during the creation of mtm..also like the names of the respective versions ,"mirror to mirror" signifying how both of the people in the relationship only really loved the reflection of themselves they saw in the other [he also references this in strangers, where he says "i sleep lying next to a mirror" which is also a metaphor for being a homosexual] and face to face being the new version, signifying that he has finally come to terms,has finally had proverbial "conversation" face to face about the past feelings he felt while writing twin fantasy and has fully acknowledged what he felt and has moved on. this is also apparent in his past-tense use of words instead of present-tense like the usage of words in mtm [ftf those boys says "they were connected/at the back of the head/they *had* a conduit/their minds *were* the same" meanwhile mtm those boys says "they were connected/at the back of the head/they *got* a conduit/their minds *are* the same". he realizes the relationship has ended and its over now. a piece of fiction, if you will.]

also in mtm will states that "he has only lyrics now," that he is in despair over the loss of the relationship and the fact that the relationship is now a work of fiction that only exists in his mind-a fantasy. however in ftf he recognizes this and comes to terms with it- it is just a song. it is just lyrics. he even changes "he has only lyrics now" to "these are only lyrics now". he has changed, he has reflected and moved on. this is just a piece of fiction to him now, anything can happen from here. i also really like the change in famous prophets to where he no longer name drops himself and cate wurtz. like he says, "the contract is up, the names have been changed". this is no longer a breakup album made about wurtz but instead a piece of fiction documenting the feelings he experienced during a part of his life

i also really like these lyrics, taken from a bible verse about the 3 wise men i believe ? but the end was edited to say "now these Two remain" to reference the two people in the relationship

its just so interesting. you break up with someone, one of you writes a breakup album in a fit of feeling, 7 years pass and youre both left to deal with the fallout. anything can happen from here. now these two remain and they must see face to face to put their past behind them.

the allusion to "the lady" by hojin stella jung at the end of ftf high to death is also incredibly powerful. the way he uses the words hojin uses to talk about their feelings while painting the portfolio of the lady to refer to his own feelings of making the original twin fantasy is so good and so compelling. the way they say "it was intense, it was an intense process, and it was how i was trying to, very hard, personify that intensity/but its hard to talk about her now, because i think she wasnt me/at least thats how i feel and im trying to figure out what to do now......but i did believe in her, 'the lady', and maybe/there is a different form now that the intensity takes" is an incredible parallel to will's feelings about writing the original twin fantasy and its a really powerful end to a song i think

[kamilaa-bk]

YOOO finally finished my nervous young inhumans poster graphics project

[gorefetishizer]

Also add which u listened to first in the tags

[heerenthere]

jeremy listens to car seat headrest…….

[tiredeyes1975]

oh my goddd i havent looked at my ftf vinyl on so long. does anyone remember when my url was paulweknow

[joeyclaire]

mtm and ftf but i’m not talking about people transitioning to the same gender i’m talkin about twin fantasy

[iate7glowsticks]

twin fantasy: mirror to mirror or face to face?

It depends on the song, i like the shorter songs on mtm and the long ones on ftf. sober to death on mtm is wayyyy better but blid on ftf is my favourite song so idk. For nostalgic reasons ftf.

[constellationdewdrops]

i must have mental illness a lot of motivation so i alphabatized + timeline'd a list of albums from @happybirthdayxalbum (one of my gimmicks) under the cut (1995-2024)

timeline:

1995-99 life - the cardigans (march 1 1995) first band on the moon - the cardigans (january 1 1996) hellbilly deluxe - rob zombie (january 1 1998) le tigre - le tigre (january 11 1999) 2005 demon days - gorillaz (may 11 2005) 2005 whatever people say i am, that’s what i’m not - arctic monkeys (jan 23 2006) 2011 my back is killing me baby - car seat headrest (march 26 2011) i hate jazz - mike krol (may 10 2011) camp - childish gambino (november 15 2011) 2012 living while starving (november 22 2012) hawaii: part ii - miracle musical (december 12 2012) 2013 and the ringmaster is pleased to introduce… - a verbal equinox (jan 19 2013) finite form - jack stauber (march 18 2013) monomania - car seat headrest (august 1 2013) nervous young man - car seat headrest (august 23 2013) am - arctic monkeys (september 9 2013) 2014 how to leave town - car seat headrest (october 31 2014) 2015 life rips - mommy long legs (march 13 2015) everything is a lot - will wood and the tapeworms (may 20 2015) gawk - vundabar (july 24 2015) punk rocks for kids who can’t skate - destructo disk (aug 1 2015) self-ish - will wood and the tapeworms (august 23 2015) teens of style - car seat headrest (october 30 2015) 2016 who really cares - tv girl (feb 25 2016) spirit phone - lemon demon (feb 29 2016) Teens of denial - car seat headrest (may 20 2016) “awake, my love!” - childish gambino (december 2 2016) 2017 maggot - dazey and the scouts (april 13 2017) 2018 twin fantasy ftf - car seat headrest (feb 16 2018) peace and quiet - awfultune (april 2 2018) volume 1 - amigo the devil (may 4 2018) puppy luv - awfultune (june 3 2018) try your best - mommy long legs (june 22 2018) the great tale of how i ruined it all - jhariah (august 10 2018) make room - destroy boys (october 19 2018) obnoxious liberal: the musical - rio romeo (november 25 2018) 2019 micheal - awfultune (january 19 2019) i want to be normal - awfultune (feb 28 2019) recently - liana flores (april 10 2019) 21 - awfultune (july 2 2019) the fall of hobo johnson - hobo johnson (september 13 2019) unreleased demos - awfultune (december 17 2019) 2020 splittsville - teddy hyde (january 4 2020) kid krow - conan gray (march 20 2020) 3.15.20 by childish gambino (march 20 2020) making a door less open - car seat headrest (may 1 2020) the normal album - will wood (july 10 2020) layla - awfultune (july 28 2020) punch me! this is a nightmare! - yasmin nur (september 19 2020) party favors - sir chloe (october 23 2020) dear sarah - awfultune (december 2 2020) 2021 ok orchestra - ajr (march 26 2021) juno goes to the big house - sorry mom (april 20 2021) middle of a stage - kevinkempt (july 9 2021) a beginner’s guide to faking your death - jhariah (july 23 2021) loudmouth - vial (july 30 2021) fuck these fuckin facists - the muslims (september 24 2021) thinking about bugs - criKet (november 12 2021) 2022 eden - awfultune (april 29 2022) two fictitious stories (alongside mine) - kevinkempt (july 8 2022) “in case i make it,” - will wood (july 29 2022) honeybee table at the butterfly feast - teen suicide (august 26 2022) suckerpunch - chloe moriondo (october 7 2022) 2023 in case i die - will wood (january 13 2023) babyface - sorry mom (may 12 2023) grapes upon the vine - tv girl (june 30 2023) You are who you hang out with - the front bottoms (august 4 2023) mono - k. flay (september 15 2023) good god! - rio romeo (september 23 2023) girl’s night - penelope scott (november 3 2023) can i have your attention? - kevinkempt (november 10 2023) 2024 someone to forget - kevinkempt (april 3 2024) trust ceremony - jhariah (april 19 2024)

alphabatized:

A

and the ringmaster is pleased to introduce… - a verbal equinox (jan 19 2013)

a beginner’s guide to faking your death - jhariah (july 23 2021)

am - arctic monkeys (september 9 2013)

“awake, my love!” - childish gambino (december 2 2016)

B

babyface - sorry mom (may 12 2023)

C

can i have your attention? - kevinkempt (november 10 2023)

camp - childish gambino (november 15 2011)

D

demon days - gorillaz (may 11 2005)

dear sarah - awfultune (december 2 2020)

E

everything is a lot - will wood and the tapeworms (may 20 2015)

eden - awfultune (april 29 2022)

F

finite form - jack stauber (march 18 2013)

fuck these fuckin facists - the muslims (september 24 2021)

first band on the moon - the cardigans (january 1 1996)

G

grapes upon the vine - tv girl (june 30 2023)

gawk - vundabar (july 24 2015)

good god! - rio romeo (september 23 2023)

girl’s night - penelope scott (november 3 2023)

H

honeybee table at the butterfly feast - teen suicide (august 26 2022)

how to leave town - car seat headrest (october 31 2014)

hawaii: part ii - miracle musical (december 12 2012)

hellbilly deluxe - rob zombie (january 1 1998)

I

i hate jazz - mike krol (may 10 2011)

“in case i make it,” - will wood (july 29 2022)

in case i die - will wood (january 13 2023)

i want to be normal - awfultune (feb 28 2019)

J

juno goes to the big house - sorry mom (april 20 2021)

K

kid krow - conan gray (march 20 2020)

L

life rips - mommy long legs (march 13 2015)

life - the cardigans (march 1 1995)

layla - awfultune (july 28 2020)

loudmouth - vial (july 30 2021)

living while starving (november 22 2012)

le tigre - le tigre (january 11 1999)

M

making a door less open - car seat headrest (may 1 2020)

maggot - dazey and the scouts (april 13 2017)

my back is killing me baby - car seat headrest (march 26 2011)

middle of a stage - kevinkempt (july 9 2021)

monomania - car seat headrest (august 1 2013)

mono - k. flay (september 15 2023)

make room - destroy boys (october 19 2018)

micheal - awfultune (january 19 2019)

N

nervous young man - car seat headrest (august 23 2013)

O

ok orchestra - ajr (march 26 2021)

obnoxious liberal: the musical - rio romeo (november 25 2018)

P

puppy luv - awfultune (june 3 2018)

peace and quiet - awfultune (april 2 2018)

punk rocks for kids who can’t skate - destructo disk (aug 1 2015)

punch me! this is a nightmare! - yasmin nur (september 19 2020)

party favors - sir chloe (october 23 2020)

R

recently - liana flores (april 10 2019)

S

spirit phone - lemon demon (feb 29 2016)

self-ish - will wood and the tapeworms (august 23 2015)

suckerpunch - chloe moriondo (october 7 2022)

splittsville - teddy hyde (january 4 2020)

someone to forget - kevinkempt (april 3 2024)

T

Teens of denial - car seat headrest (may 20 2016)

twin fantasy ftf - car seat headrest (feb 16 2018)

try your best - mommy long legs (june 22 2018)

two fictitious stories (alongside mine) - kevinkempt (july 8 2022)

the normal album - will wood (july 10 2020)

the great tale of how i ruined it all - jhariah (august 10 2018)

the fall of hobo johnson - hobo johnson (september 13 2019)

teens of style - car seat headrest (october 30 2015)

thinking about bugs - criKet (november 12 2021)

trust ceremony - jhariah (april 19 2024)

U

unreleased demos - awfultune (december 17 2019)

V

volume 1 - amigo the devil (may 4 2018)

W

who really cares - tv girl (feb 25 2016)

whatever people say i am, that’s what i’m not - arctic monkeys (jan 23 2006)

Y

You are who you hang out with - the front bottoms (august 4 2023)

Z

Numbers

21 - awfultune (july 2 2019)

3.15.20 by childish gambino (march 20 2020)

[haveyouheardthisalbum]

[mybackiskillingmebb]

fucks me up sometimes that my roommate and i have different understandings of twin fantasy because whenever i talk about it, i'm usually talking about mirror to mirror and when she talks about it, she's usually talking about face to face.

bc like. we both agree that tf is just like fundamental to our beings. but it's just so fucked to me that she has different versions of certain songs in her head than i do. like i'm genuinely so floored at the thought that when she thinks about high to death, she thinks about high to death [2018] and not high to death [2011] because even tho at their core they're similar, to me htd [2011] is just so much more... idk, melancholy?? that doesn't feel right but htd [2011] just has this quality to it that htd [2018] doesn't (...or perhaps it's the other way around. even after listening to it a few times, and despite how big of a proponent of synth i usually am, i'm unsure how i feel about the synth parts of htd [2018])

intimate. that's the word i'm looking for, i think. i know people have described mtm that way before but there isn't really a better word for it. i know it's bc i prefer mtm over ftf but something about ftf just feels so... clean. removed, even. like in my head that's just not how twin fantasy was meant to sound, but then i have to remember that for most tracks off of ftf, it's supposed to be like that because they're different songs with different lyrics that just happen to share the same song title.

i guess it's apt. mirror to mirror is the wreck as it's actively happening, as it's tearing you limb from limb and telling you that it loves you. face to face is the wreck as a distant memory that perhaps isn't distant enough, a more sanitized version of events that make them easier to process than your vague memory of the horrors you encountered 7 years ago.

[yourbestamericangirlmp3]

i do not feel like my spotify wrapped this year reflects the insane amount of time i spent listening to twin fantasy (ftf), but at least it reflects the time i looped i guess while crying in the car

[chronicbloodynoses]

oh dog

give me will toledo’s writing skills 😓😓😓

and his voice too 😜

and stage presence for funzies 😇

anyway, just looked through the lyrics in twin fantasy ftf and i forgot how much this album affects me before i die i truly need to create something like he has to be content with my life to be able to pass on peacefully i need to make something musically that is as impactful and meaningful as twin fantasy or just about any csh album

[solitairepyramid]

car seat headrest hot takes except they get hotter

Twin fantasy is a much better starting point for car seat headrest than Teens of denial

my back is killing me baby is unironically above monomania for me (i love both. don’t misunderstand this one)

3 is the most overrated numbered album, 2 is underrated but 1 is the best

teens of style unironically has amazing versions of all the songs on it, some fans are just following what they’ve heard / are nostalgia blinded

i prefer listening to MADLO in full than monomania (AGAIN BOTH ARE AMAZING)

if you’re put off by how lo fi some old recordings are that is an entirely valid reason not to listen to them, you would likely not enjoy them as much as you could and it’s not your fault

drunk on a work night is for sure not their best i have no idea how you could think that it is (and i love drunk on a work night)

idk if i ended with the hottest for last but i think twin fantasy face to face is their objective best, however if how to leave town got the ftf treatment it could be their best album

pls agree or disagree with these to any extent in the comments but don’t start stupid fights over my opinions

[tiredeyes1975]

i always forget this is the first EP/album i listened to by csh

[justoutoftheblue]

This goes fucking insane holy shit????? Actually in love with it. It's a mix of Twin Fantasy FtF and MtM with a lot of side stuff thrown in. They've got We Said We Hated Humans in there and everything.

[progrockers]

I just want a version of daft punks face to face but with songs from csh's twin fantasy (ftf)