#tw hans asperger

[schizopositivity]

Hey, I'm Curious

Is there a way that being schizophrenic, having Asperger and having anxiety could be related to...ehh... Idolizing...H*tler??

No. Antisemitism, or any other bigotry is not a part of any of these mental illnesses or any mental illness at all. And you cannot divorce idolizing Hitler from what he believed and perpetuated. Idolizing Hitler is a personal belief that someone would have, and that's something they should work through, or get help working through.

Yes things like schizophrenia could possibly make someone more susceptible to conspiracy theories that could lead down a rabbit hole that turns out to antisemitic (no statistics specifically on this but it's possible, just like it's possible for someone who isn't mentally ill). But that's different than fully idolizing a leader of a genocide. And connecting such an atrocious glorification to mental illness only damages other mentally ill people further.

Also Asperger's is an outdated and pretty offensive term to use. Dr. Hans Asperger (the man who coined the term) was affiliated with the Nazi party, and sent many disabled children to hospitals where they would be euthanized. Also a lot of people on the autism spectrum don't like how it tries to differentiate people with ASD based on certain functionality and lack of intellectual disability. And how that has led to many people thinking people with Asperger's are "better" or "smarter" than other autistic people. It's not my place to say since I am not autistic, but I think many people would tell you to just say "I am on the autism spectrum" instead since that is the most current and accurate term.

I don't know if this question is coming from a genuine concern for yourself or someone else, or you're just trying to make connections here for some reason. Either way I just wanna say that as someone whose family was affected greatly by the Holocaust, and who wouldn't be alive today if my family hadn't fled the country and luckily survived, I personally cannot condone idolizing Hitler or trying to justify it in any way.

[titan-god-helios]

(tw the holocaust, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, racism, murder, war, brief vomit mention, gore, violence) okay while i'm here, might as well just say something real quick

in my history class at the moment, we're learning about WW2, specifically the holocaust, and it made me remember things about this horrific event that should have never been forgotten, by anyone, ever. for the longest time, I only thought that jewish people (bless their souls and may they forever rest in peace) were targeted by hitler and his sickos. but in the last few years or so, i learnt about his persecution of transgender, queer, black, asian and otherwise poc, disabled and autistic people, as well as jewish. i learned about the atrocities of the collaboration between hans asperger and his fellow nazis, i learnt about how the killings happened and i read and read and read all the while growing sicker and sicker. because these are my people. countless autistics who were not deemed "useful" were thrown to the lions so to speak, the same with trangender and queer people of all races. these people, these minority groups are ones which i belong to. and it still makes me beyond sick to think about what happened during that bastard's reign of fucking terror. and it wasn't just these groups he targeted (duh). he targeted the world. he wasn't just a dictator over his own, he wanted to purge the fucking world of people he deemed unworthy of his reign. he was sick. fucking sick. everytime i think of the events that transpired during the holocaust and world war two, i feel like throwing up until my guts are out on the floor in front of me. what really kills me ? what makes me lose even more faith in humanity ? people want this fucking despicable, evil, downright vile monster to carry on his work, posthumously. how do people not fucking understand, how do these bastard neo-nazis not realise the sheer... i don't even have a word for it. i'm just speechless. and angry. hateful. filled with fucking rage, because no matter how much i don't want to admit it, i know that the question isn't, "why don't they understand," but, "why do they ignore their understanding. knowingly." hitler was like a plague. every single vile accusation or dehumanising comment or phrase or comparison between inhuman pests and jewish, poc, queer, trans and disabled people, slavic people and every single person who did not fit his "standards" - every single one is simply an apt description of the monster himself and all his bastard followers who had full consciousness of what they were doing and supported him. who hailed him. who willingly and authentically danced through the streets of fallen nations, ravaged by theirs and screamed hitler's name in joy. who saluted to "mein fraulein" with a happy heart. who still do. to anyone who does, i genuinely hope you cease to exist. the world needs to be eradicated from the likes of you. you bastards who parade your beliefs around like they're honourable and ruin the lives of the world's jewish and minority siblings. who ruin the lives of our people. to everyone who is sick and twisted and beyond evil and supports or is a neo-nazi, just know that we are chasing you out with fire. and we will win.

[neuroticboyfriend]

i really feel like it should not be controversial that naming yourself after a fucking nazi is wrong? like you do realize that's what you're doing when you call yourself and aspie or say you have Asperger's Syndrome?? Hans Asperger was a real person who supported real genocide against millions of real people. why the fuck would you ever want to be associated with that? i feel like this alone would be enough not to use the term, let alone all the ableism and eugenics associated with it??

[fanonbinary8]

i’m a nursing student and i have a question for those with autism/asperger’s disorder

i have autistic friends who say the term asperger’s is outdated, as it is named after hans asperger, who was a nazi.

so if you feel comfortable please use the poll beneath.

[moriartyyouwhore]

Y’know. The bar was low. I wasn’t expecting much. But y’all brought a shovel.

Tuesday April 11.

Autism Acceptance Month.

Today is Tuesday, April 11, which means we are eleven days into the 30 blessed days of #autism acceptance month, 2023 (previously known as #autism awareness month). April is the month and April 2nd is the day—World Autism Day, to be precise—and these first weeks of spring are a time for uplifting autistic voices of all identities, advocating for acceptance, progress, and sharing in the community's joy. It began back in 1972, as National Autistic Children’s Week, and was founded by The Autism Society to raise awareness and campaign for change in communities, schools, medical facilities, and businesses. And this same vital, wonderful work continues today, and not just for the month of April, of course—but every day of every year. The lived reality is that every day of every month is Autism Acceptance Month, and it is on all of us to do better.

Progress has been made, but there is still so much to be done in the struggle for equality and justice for all those living under the broad church of autism. And if these words sound hollow, then simply read the moving story of Debra Vines, of The Answer Inc., and of her autistic son Jason. She articulates everyday struggles that families can face, and the many joys they experience, too. Her message is simple, but powerful: don't give up on milestones.  

Want to know more, get involved, or donate? Here is just some of an impressive selection of charities sourced by the fine people at the Applied Behavior Analysis Programs Guide, where you can find the complete list of 20 charities and organizations:

The Asperger/Autism Network

The Autistic Women & Nonbinary Network

Autism Research Institute

The Autistic Self Advocacy Network

The Autism National Committee

Happy Tuesday, folks, and here's to better.

[clownrecess]

What are your objections to the term "aspie"? When I first encountered the term, it sounded like it might be a slur because of the diminutive "-ie". When I looked for an answer though, all of the articles said is was a neutral/descriptive term, meant to distance the condition from Asperger.

(TW FOR ABLEISM, EUGENICS/MURDER, NAZIS, THE TERM ASPERGERS)

The reason I am upset my the word aspie is because is it related to aspergers.

"Aspergers syndrome" is not a different condition, it is just autism. More specifically, it is a term made by Hans Asperger (a nazi) to describe the "type" of autistics he thought were deserving of life. All the others were killed.

[eelfuneral]

Last night, I saw several examples of ableist comments with regards to Tech from people who posture themselves as activists — a problem that I’ve been bringing attention to for months. I tried to comment on this last night, but I was too tired and angry to be coherent, so I’m going to try again.

TW: there are screenshots (with the names and avatars blocked out) that show some pretty intense ableism and sanism below the cut. Scroll away if you are not in a good place to see this today.

Transcript: trch feels specifically like hed use the term aspbergers to descrive himself bc he doesnt want to be mistaken forvthose Other autistic people

Here we see someone making a “ha ha funny” joke about Tech being an Aspie Supremacist. Lateral ableism is a huge issue in our community that causes harm to a lot of autistics with higher support needs. Making this into a fandom joke is in poor taste. Additionally, Hans Asperger was a nazi who sent many disabled children to their deaths. This is not something to joke about.

Transcript: techs vibes are like sherlock bbc fused with sheldon from the bigbang and understand i sayvthat witj asvmuch derision as possiblr

If the first thing that you think about when you see an autistic character is Sheldon Cooper, then I don’t know what to tell you.

This is the worst one, though:

Transcript: Person A: every ten seconds of this show I think people who are horny for tech should be added to the dsm more and more. Person B: When an autistic person identifies with Tech as-is I’m like… okay I guess?

Implying that people who enjoy a character that you don’t are mentally ill and that this means that they have a character flaw is so head-tiltingly sanist I don’t even know where to start. Also, shitting on autistics because we like and relate to a character that you don’t approve of is paternalistic and nasty.

This kind of thing is why I have been speaking up about the ableism in the TBB fandom, particularly among people who claim to want to protect us from “bad representation”. If you know who these people are, don’t engage. I am not posting this to start a harassment campaign against them so much as bring attention to behavior that hurts me as an autistic fan.

This is so unbelievably upsetting to so many autistic fans and I feel like our voices are being drowned out and ignored by people who want to speak for us. I am tired.

[ann3ofabyss4lred]

tw: ableism,eugenics, mention of n//zi rhetoric,victim blaming.

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I came to call out a tiktok account here on tumblr: ( @/rxme0real2 ) for ableism towards the autistic community,supporting eugenics and doxxing someone.

beforehand, I want everyone here to keep in mind he's 14-15 (not justifying his actions ofc) this is just a call out post for the nasty stuff he has said but I'm not encouraging anyone here to harras him.

one of my mutuals (Tyler, who is autistic) made a video ranting about autistic ppl get victim blamed for getting abused, and out of nowhere (since he didn't talk about eugenics or sm related to it) got a comment that said how eugenics was okay for some autistic ppl, made by the user (@/rxme0real2), which ofc Tyler respond with a video calling him out.

(Tyler's video calling him out)

as you can see, there are like 130 comments since the other dude commented in the called-out video, causing my mutual and I to get into a fight with him ( I didn't knew he was 14-15,until I checked his account)

It baffles me that he is also autistic (and calling himself high-functioning). started to blame autistic people who have higher support needs for the ableism that the neurodivergent community (especially autistic ppl) face.

Dude, you are autistic too. You should be fighting by autistic ppl's side not against them. what the fuck

and it gets worse because when I told him how harmful are the eugenics beliefs (because it wants to cure autism,and the user wanted to "cure" autistic ppl w/ higher support needs) and how they were similar to what Hans asperger (a n4z1) did: basically separating autistic ppl into what he considered " high and low functioning", sparing the first ones just so he can use them, and killing the ones with higher support needs, because for him, they were useless.

he (@/rxme0real2) agree and said how Hans did the correct thing?, basically he agreed with n4z1 rhetoric idk what would be correct term, but he agreed with a fucking n4z1.

Tyler got fed up with his bullshit , blocked him and remove his comments ( after I took the screenshots,ofc).

digging a bit more to do this post, I visited the account (@/rxme0real2) and found out he has video with gross hashtags and I also found he doxxed someone because they were cosplaying PC principal for South Park.

this is just so messed up,istg. He is 14 to 15, he knows he has internalized ableism but doesn't acknowledge it??. I wonder if his parents knows what kind of stuff he does on the internet,or just trust him like that and gave him too much acess or if his parents think like he does.

because this situation left me flabbergasted (disgusted too)

[thewarpsystem]

tw discussions of WW2/the holocaust, death

it really sucks that hans asperger wasn’t just trying to avoid being killed or losing his job by opposing nazis, he was actively participating in what the nazis were doing. here’s this guy who was the first to imagine autism as a spectrum and spent so much of his life caring for and trying to truly understand disabled children, and yet he turned out to be a nazi anyway.

it makes me especially sad when i read quotes from some of his old speeches, like this one he gave on october 3 1938: “The good and bad in a person, their potential for success or failure, their aptitudes and deficits- they are mutually conditional, arising from the same source. Our therapeutic goal must be to teach the person how to bear their difficulties. Not to eliminate them for him, but to train the person to cope with special challenges with special strategies; to make the person aware not that they are ill, but that they are responsible for their lives.” like that is such a nice thing to say and at the time it was a really radical way of thinking about mental health and disability. but in the end he still lead his disabled patients to death, completely willingly, in return for career advancements.

the first murder committed by nazis was the murder of a single child who was intellectually disabled. asperger’s direct colleague erwin jekelius was one of the men who came up with the ideas and blueprints for the holocaust. i just can’t reconcile aspeger’s deep association with the nazis and his views about his autistic patients, how radically empathetic he seemed to be to them and how he treated them like people, not animals like other psychiatrists at the time did. if i could bring any historical figure back to life for a day it would be hans asperger and i would want to ask him how he justified it to himself, how he slept at night, what the hell even was he thinking? and i would also want to know if, learning everything we now know about autism and seeing how differently we’re treated today, would he regret it?

[saturdaynightlivedork]

When I was a wee one, I went to an event held by a local support group for parents of Autistic kids.

There were two different rooms, and the one I was in had a lot less toys and stuff than the other one. As time went on, I noticed that some toys disappeared. I figured they must have been taken to the other room.

Then I saw the signs on the doors.

The one I was in was “CLASSROOM FOR AUTISTIC KIDS”.

The one with lots of toys was “CLASSROOM FOR ASPERGER KIDS”.

It was the first time I’d seen the name Asperger. I wondered why those kids deserved more toys than us “AUTISTIC” kids. Was it because we were too Low Functioning®?

(P. S. Yes, I know Hans Asperger was a Nazi supporter. That’s why I don’t use the term “Asperger syndrome” anymore.)

[headspace-hotel]

since Elon musk’s snl skit thing (?) ive been seeing a ton of posts talking about the asperger’s label and how evil it is and i would just like to say

like, there are problems with the label, but I feel weird about throwing around “aspergers was coined by a Nazi!” as the reason it’s bad. It just does not get into any of the reasons why it might be a harmful label and it really makes me uncomfortable because it feels like another “this word is Bad because it’s associated with bad things” argument with no actual substance to it and if you want to help autistic people you have to go deeper than “this word is Bad, this other word is Good,” like please

It’s not common knowledge at all that Hans Asperger was a Nazi, and I can say this because I am autistic, I read Neurotribes a couple years ago, which is 500+ pages and talks extensively about him, and still didn’t come away with that. Which, according to some quick googling, might be because that Asperger’s involvement in the Nazi eugenics program has only been known since 2018? That is from Wikipedia so there’s definitely deeper to delve, but I don’t think it helps anyone to act like anyone who says “Asperger’s” is a eugenicist who is using it as a dogwhistle or something? Like what the fuck.

There are many people who use it because that was their initial diagnosis. (it was mine??) What does it DO for autistic people to label anyone who refers to themselves with the “asperger’s” label as a eugenicist and Nazi. Who does that benefit. Not us.

I have also seen claims that Asperger used the term to “distinguish the autistic children he deemed worth keeping alive” which is just straight up misinformation???? He never used the term “Asperger’s” himself at all. “Asperger’s” was legitimately not a thing until after he was dead.

There’s definitely a problem with how people use “Asperger’s” to distinguish more “Normal/‘High Functioning’” autistic people. It’s an outdated label that has not been in use since 2013. but people are largely not talking thoughtfully about that and instead speaking as if “Asperger’s” is Definitely a Nazi Dogwhistle which is just so wild???

There’s a saying that’s like “assume incompetence before you assume malice” and that definitely applies here. There are many many autistic people who have no idea that using the diagnosis they received when they were diagnosed to refer to themselves is seen as some kind of eugenicist statement??? That makes no sense at all wtf please

[scrumpster]

Happy autism acceptance month. Let’s make it a good one by taking a minute to acknowledge that Hans Asperger, the doctor who did a lot of work researching autism, was a Nazi sympathizer, if not simply just. Outright a Nazi.

We really, REALLY need to stop using “Asperger’s syndrome” as an identifier. As an autistic Jew, it really bothers me to still hear it used so frequently. Full disclosure, it pushes me out of the community. In my experience, people do NOT like being told that something is harmful and they often will not take criticism from Jewish people. I do not see enough people talking about this, therefore, I am going to talk about it to the best of my ability. A little disclaimer. When my own diagnosis was explained to me, it was the first label I was given. I was told not that I had autism, but that I had Asperger’s. However, when my information was updated, the diagnosis had become defunct and was changed to ASD. I didn’t really care about this until later, when I learned the history of the term Asperger’s and probed around for information on its history. Anyways. Let’s stop using the term:

- Hans Asperger is a Bad Dude. I have two sources for you to read. The second source is graphic, so be careful. All around trigger warning for Nazism, child death, intense ableism, eugenics, and in the second source, abuse mentions, graphic descriptions of emotional distress and violence, a lot of very harmful rhetoric around autism and other disabilities, and mentions of hospitals. BE CAREFUL. I mean it. Source one: click here Source two: click here

- The diagnosis is not a part of the DSM-5. It’s a form of autism, a form of ASD. The term is no longer used by many health professionals (specifically in the United States), as of 2013. Anyone who was previously diagnosed with Asperger’s would now be diagnosed with autism. I am only bringing this up to support the idea that Asperger’s is simply another label for ASD. - The diagnosis doesn’t have anything attached to it that isn’t encompassed by ASD. Everyone’s autism can present differently, but that doesn’t make anyone less or more autistic. Additionally, looking at the criteria that’s used to separate Asperger’s from autism is eerily reminiscent of... looking at a list of traits that neurotypicals find to be “more tolerable” in autistic people. Tl;dr: Hans Asperger was a Nazi and we need to stop using ‘Asperger’s syndrome’ as a label.

reblogs are welcome and encouraged. thank you very much if you read through this. EDIT: I didn’t think I would have to say this, but goyim/gentile, DO NOT FUCKING CLOWN ON MY POST.

[autism-fucking-rocks]

The problem with the Asperger's label

This post contains mentions of the Holocaust, ableism, and eugenics. Please do not read if you are sensitive to these topics.

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There have been conversations regarding whether the term Asperger's should still be used in the autism community. This post will explain the biggest issue I and other people have with the label. There's no way to gently segue into this so I'm just going to start.

The term Asperger's was coined by an actual Nazi. Hans Asperger worked with the Nazis during the Holocaust. He saved some children who he deemed intelligent enough by giving them the label of Asperger's and sent the rest of the kids to die.

Some people call him a hero for saving kids during the Holocaust, but he sent children to be murdered because he saw them as genetically inferior. He saw some of us as a "hardly bearable burden" to our families. He believed that they should be put out of our misery.

I do not believe allistics should use the term Asperger's to describe an autistic person. I do not believe that autistic people should use it for themselves either. However, I'm not saying that you should assume someone is a bad person for using it. I figure that most do not know the history. There are autistics who use the term for various reasons even knowing the history, which I heavily disagree with.

And I'm not the only one who feels this way. I learned this from listening to Jewish autistic people speak on the subject. If you are not Jewish, it is best to listen to those who have the authority on the matter.

Here is a video of a Jewish autistic person explaining how use of this label harms not only Jewish autistics, but autistic people as a whole. She also makes a very good point about Asperger's being a functioning label.

Here is an article about Hans Asperger being a Nazi.

[chaberkowepole]

You really are white first before you are any other identity. I'd go even further and say you are white AND western first before you are anything else.

Just had a white western autistic man tell me, after I explained how Eastern European and Jewish autistic people are uncomfortable with being called the A*******s label because Hans Asperger was a literal fucking Nazi and maybe we don't want to be called after someone who murdered our families and his reaction was "well I don't see it so narrowly"

Seriously fuck that guy. I'm tired.

[oopsallfictives]

Thinking about that gifset we reblogged earlier, and I'm kind of uncomfortable with how it frames Hans Asperger. It says he saw a positive side to autism, but what it doesn't say is that he created functioning labels to divide the autistic children who would be useful to the nazi regime (high-functioning) from those who wouldn't and should thus be killed (low-functioning). He sent children to the gas chambers, and he only saved those he considered abled enough to be productive. He's not anyone to be revered or respected

That's why people need to stop calling it Asperger's. That's why we need to stop using functioning labels. When you call someone a low-functioning autistic, you're basically saying "you're the type of autistic person who doesn't deserve to live"

No one fucking deserves that

[idkhowtost0p]

Just wanna let yall know that everything went well. The doctor was an absolute sweetheart. Only had a one problem with him. Finland still uses the word Asperger's. What our autism society here says tho is that Asperger's syndrome hasn't been a thing since 2013. But he said that he'll use the term autism with me which is nice. Personally, as a muslim, I'd like to not be diagnosed with a nazi doctor syndrome.

Currently recovering from a mole removal surgery and cannot eat anything because it was removed from my chin😷 I guess that's a good thing🤷‍♀️