#tssm silvermane

[kzele]

Voice of Reason

In which Spider-Man arrives earlier than canon to the Gangland fight and subsequently changes EVERYTHING.

It wasn't hard for Peter to find the crime lords, as shooting everything in sight and leaving trails of destruction don't exactly lend themselves to subtlety. Then again, he thought as he swung closer to the source of the carnage, Ock really isn't one for being low-key when he's not planning from afar. Engaging the deranged doctor in person was risky, but manageable considering how easily he loses his cool when faced with quips and insults.

Tombstone would be harder to deal with, given his hand-to-hand skills, cool-headed demeanor, and problematic good public image. With any luck, Peter mused, Tombstone'll be knocked out or something before I have to deal with him. (But knowing the nature of his luck means that that chance is as slim as Rhino knowing Shakespeare by heart. Possible, but highly unlikely.)

And lastly, there was Silvermane. Other than being old, having Silver Sable as his right hand, and being the previous ruler of New York's underworld before Tombstone, Peter really had almost no info to go on here. He'd have to hope for the best and prep for the worst in dealing with-

"We were ALL betrayed! By Hammerhead."

What? What's going on? Peter's thoughts are interrupted by Tombstone's baritone voice as he swings his way to a stop behind a column.

An unknown man shouts out a response, "Hammerhead is a stooge! He doesn't blink without orders."

"Indeed. Your denial lacks sincerity," Ock's more familiar tone oozes in agreement and Peter was left feeling more confused than ever. It was just the three crime lords in the room and yet. . .

Something was off here. So, naturally, it was time for Spider-Man to do what Spider-Man does best: poke his nose in something that didn't really concern him.

"Pardon me for interrupting," all three heads turned in his direction, "but maybe you should hear him out before continuing your semi-public murderfest. I mean, I literally just got here and even I can tell something doesn't add up."

"Arachnid," Doctor Octopus's teeth were bared and his arms raised, "You will-"

"Be happy to punch your ticket at a later time. For now, though, I want to figure out why Tombstone would throw someone who's apparently very loyal to his organization under the bus to people who know of the guy's loyalty."

The dude in some sort of armor, who Peter can safely bet is Silvermane at this point, gives out a snort in response.

"This is the guy that's been giving you both so much trouble? Doesn't look like much to me, considering all he's done so far is talk."

Peter ignores the taunt. If he wants to underestimate him, then that'll make things a little easier in the long run when they actually do fight. Apparently, the other two thought the same as they also made no rebuttal.

Spider-Man turns his gaze towards the calculating gaze of the albino crime lord, "So. Hammy turned traitor. How do you know?"

(POV Change)

Tombstone glared suspiciously at his savior. The vigilante had the habit of being somewhat unpredictable, but this scenario was unexpected even by his standards.

Time to cut to the chase and ask a very important question.

"Why do you care? I would have thought you'd gladly let us tear each other apart. Or at least wait until we're weakened enough to pick us all off."

Spider-Man tilted his head and answered, "What, aside from blowing holes in classy buildings and harming the people here? Something's been bugging me about this whole fight for some reason and if clearing that up means a chance at avoiding a huge, drawn-out battle where there's a chance more people are gonna get hurt, I'll take it. Now, will you three stooges calm down and think for a minute about who's really arranging the set-up here? Why would Tombstone attend a conference with the ones that he's trying to off? Isn't Hammerhead his underling or something? Why not send him in his place?"

Tombstone couldn't believe it. First, Hammerhead betrays him after years of loyal service and now Spider-Man is speaking reason to the other crime lords in his defense? The world really has gone insane, he thought.

Silvermane was unconvinced, "Hammerhead knocked out my daughter and took out Octopus's lieutenant, too! If he wasn't loyal to Tombstone, why go to all that trouble to that and throw his boss a weapon, too?"

"I agree. Your conclusion is erroneous; Hammerhead's devotion is no secret here," Ock sneered.

Spider-Man hummed and asked them, "So then what? Who took him out afterwards?"

The two blinked in confusion and looked at each other.

The armor-clad crime boss spoke mockingly, "We never said that he was taken out. Were you even listening?"

The vigilante straightened up when hearing this and gave his own rhetorical question, "But if Hammerhead is so loyal and he wasn't taken out, why isn't he fighting alongside Tombstone right now? It's two against one against his boss, but he hasn't shown up yet. Shouldn't he have shown up by now?"

Dead silence.

Tombstone could see the realization hit both of their faces as they looked up at the hole and into the room where they last saw his (now former) employee. Doctor Octopus snarled, the man's ego clearly taking a hit over being tricked, and began making his way back up to the second floor.

Silvermane followed shortly and yelled after him, "Hey! You better not leave me outta this, Octopus! I want that flat-topped traitor to be eating his own plating after I rip it from HIS SKULL!"

Spider-Man cringed, "Annnd they're off. I should probably follow them to minimize any damage."

"Probably," the albino remarked dryly.

A sigh and, "Figures."

Just as soon as the younger man prepared to swing after the two murderous crime lords, Tombstone laid a hand on his shoulder.

"Thank you. You may not have done it for my sake, but I need to ask one more favor of you tonight."

Now it was the webslinger's turn to be suspicious, "That being?"

"That you help me find the real orchestrator of these events. You see, I also have a hunch. I believe your assessment is half-right, Hammerhead could very well be a pawn still even after betraying me. Whether he knows it or not however, is something less clear."

"It'll be harder to figure that out if he's dead and I doubt those two'll wait to ask. They've got their revenge goggles on right now, so tag along and explain on the way. Assuming it isn't too late yet."

His unlikely ally proceeds to hold out a hand for him to secure a grip.

"Very well," Tombstone says as he takes the hand offered.

Perhaps down the line this could lead to the more. . .mutually beneficial partnership he had hoped would happen between them when they had originally met. At least allying with Spider-Man guaranteed that he'd survive even if betrayed. Either way, it didn't hurt to side with the only voice of reason Tombstone had found on this day.

[hermesserpent-stuff]

SO a person asked about silver sable in present day for the 'of tombstones and timetravel au' and while i dont have stuff for that we do have some lovely conversations with silvermane in the present day, the poor confused old man dealing with a time traveling waiter!peter.

K for @kzele H for hermes 

So theses are some conversations betweens silvermane and peter and tombstone and silvermane. 

Warning for platonic yandere in tombstone towards peter. Under the cut because LONG

Basics 

Peter takes a shortcut into the Italian section of town and runs into Sable. 

K: *bump* "Oh, sorry!" "My bad" ". . .Wait a minute." "Oh, crap." *books it*

H: Silvermane: wait Hold on! " But Peter is already three blocks away

He later sees peter on TV near Lincoln at some sort of gala event chatting

K: [silvermane] tries researching him to find him and figure out what is actually going on.

And then the conversation when they talk again after Silvermane has done his research. 

K: Asks him [peter] how he hasn't aged and does not buy having a really good skincare routine. Peter still had to try, though.

H: Peter: That was... My grandfather? Silvermane: *not impressed*

K: Peter: "I mean, there isn't really a plausible response to this that's normal, too."

H: Slivermane: I suppose that's true.

K: Peter: "Remember 'Back to The Future?' Or read 'A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court?' It'll be easier to explain if you have.

H: Silvermane: "... Like that one British show from the 70s?"

K: Peter: *sighs* ". . .How familiar are you with time-travel in general?"

H: Silvermane: Stares at him a little blankly."one episode of doctor who back in the day. Daughter was dating a nerd at the time. Are you trying to tell me you time traveled kid?"

K: Peter: "Seeing as I was born no earlier than sixteen years ago, with full family records proving it, and no signs of aging since you last saw me. what do you think?"

H: Silvermane: "... Point taken. Any particular reason you decided to hang around Tombstone both now and in the past?"\

K: Peter: "Uhh, funny story. I landed on him by accident when I was thrown (also by accident) in the past. We fought, I trash-talked and flipped him, and he found that funny. *mumbles* Masochist. *clears throat* Then, he happened to see me in the present and wanted answers, too."

*shrugs* "He's seemed like he needs a friend (if only to keep him from being too much of an edgelord). *pauses* A favor? For what?"

H: Silvermane: "I still owe you from back in the day. So. If you need something done, I'm here. I don't pass those out lightly."

K: Peter: "Thanks? I'm not sure what you needed to repay considering you always made sure to tip. What did I really do besides waiting on you? Do you take knowing your food preferences that seriously?"

H: Silvermane: *silvermane isn't gonna spell it out but definitely is staring at the kid with a quirked eyebrow* "I do. Good waitstaff is always important. Especially when they go above and beyond"

K: Peter: *Peter is now officially of the mindset that all crime lords are weird* "Alrighty then, I'll be sure to save that for a rainy day. Oh, hey, did you run afoul of Tomby while you were looking for me? He has a tendency to threaten people when I'm not around. Sometimes for stupid reasons, too."

H: Silvermane: "he had some... Choice words for me. He's still a punk at heart."

K: Peter:*groans* "I'll bet he did. The only difference between now and then when it comes to threats is that he uses subtler phrasing for plausible deniability."

H: Silvermane:*small snort and eye roll* "Watch out for yourself kid. World's a dangerous place. And as much as I think that punks on your side, he's grown a lot more dangerous over the years. Keep an eye open." *Starts walking away*

K: Peter: "That goes for you, too. I'd make it miserable for him if he tried anything on me and anyone I know, but I can't watch over you as easily. I'm not dumb enough to think that he won't make an attempt to off you sooner or later, especially if he knows you talked to me."

H: Silvermane: "Oh, I've been in this game a long time Peter. It's not like no one tried to kill me in prison. You don't need to worry about it." *Dramatic exit*

Here is the conversation with Tombstone and Silvermane:

 K: What do you think a convo between Tomby and Silvermane would sound like? You said that both prob lost their cool

H: mmmm i think tomby would be very very much like stay away from peter. I dont care what you think you might owe him. doesnt matter. keep away from the kid. and silvermane woud be like/: this isnt your town. Tomby: ah but it is now. your time in prison has left your empire to crumble to ruins 

K: Yikes, and Silver would not like that one bit. Shoots back that it won't be for long and Tombstone's like, "uh huh, sure. You already had your shot." Then, Silvermane is like, "Well, you def don't own the kid. That's one thing that he's made clear: you're not his boss or guardian and it's not your business if he talks to me."

At this tombstone loses his cool. Kezle and I agreed that Silvermane sort of cares about Peter. 

H: [Silvermane] knows that holding the eyes of a crime boss is often a danger for people. also that look in tomby's eyes is very dangerous and very possessive. more possessive than it had been when the guy had been a young punk

K: He's like, "Bruh, your yandere is showing and it's not super healthy for Peter for you to be like this."

H: Tombstone: "shut up old man."

K: Silvermane: "It's friendly advice, you jumped-up punk. You'll lose him and your friendship if you try to control who he talks to. Peter isn't the type to let you get away with that."

H: Tombstone:*tombstone narrows his eyes* "I dont think you truly understand either of us."

K: SIlvermane: "How's that? Are you going to try and tell me that he's fine with you threatening me right now? Or is there something else I'm supposedly missing?"

H: Tombstone: Tombstone doesn't want to admit that the man may be right. Not even to himself. He stays silent for a moment. "Peter may not always agree with my methods. But we do share a lot of goals. Goals that are not benefited by you over involving yourself in his life."

K: Silvermane: *snorts* "Goals. And how am I interfering with these conveniently vague 'goals' by simply talking to him?"

H: Tombstone: Tombstone thinking about the risks of Silverman finding out Peter is Spider-Man if he is near him too frequently. "I'm sure you'd feel much the same if someone was talking too frequently to your daughter."

K: SIlvermane: "And now we're back to the fact that she is MY kid. And now an adult. You don't have that claim to Peter to make that decision for him. Only his par-guardian does."

H: Tombstone: "Someone has to look after him. Especially with the circles he accidentally falls into. No disrespect to his Guardian but she is not prepared to make the proper decisions. "

K: Silvermane: "Are you going over the Parkers' heads for his sake or yours? And even if it is for his sake, how many times can you do that without becoming a part of the problem?"

H: Tombstone: "..." Tombstone doesn't have an answer for that. It is a concern he holds. Peter had run off before when he had been in the past. He had also chosen not to speak with Tombstone as soon as he had returned to the present. Tombstone wants, no, needs to be the person Peter turns to and keeps that kid safe. But it could go awry so easily…

"Peter cannot always see the full picture."

K: Silvermane: "Neither can you apparently, considering you're making threats to someone who doesn't want to hurt him and has no intention of ever doing so."

H: Tombstone: "..." Now tomby really doesn't know what to say. Sure, silvermane has no intentions of hurting Peter now. Now being the key word. But tombstone is not confident that even Peter's charming personality can save him from the potential fallout of his secret identity. He knows how Silvermane handled rats and snitches in the past and a secret heroes fate is bound to be far worse.

[multifandomplushie]

⛓️Power Imbalance⛓️

[107feralrats]

Best forgotten Spider-Man villain?

[onebadpunspoilsabunch]

what's with their faces

[too-much-nothing]

thinking about that scene in tssm where a venom controlled spider-man almost fucking murders doc ock

[sendasan]

idk if they would even think of going into this sort of direction. If they do, it would most likely be a comical one.

[tssm-my-beloved]

TSSM Height Masterlist:

Main characters in blue, supporting characters in green, side characters in pink, villains in red

If character’s height has a decimal, their true height will be in parenthesis. For the ‘official’ height, it will either be rounded up or down.

Some heights are estimated, which will be indicated by ‘est.’ before the height itself.

Some characters have multiple heights.

I will add more heights as I find them.

Dr. Otto Octavius / Doc Ock: 5’0

Fancy Dan / Ricochet: 5’2

Silver Manfredi / Silvermane: 5’4 (under review, might not be correct)

Gwen Stacy: 5’5 (5’5.5)

Liz Allan: 5’6 (5’5.75)

Harry Osborn: 5’6

Hammerhead: 5’6

Aunt May: 5’6

Peter Parker / Spider-Man: 5’6 (.5)

Betty Brant: est. 5’7

Black Cat: 5’7

Montana / Shocker: 5’8

Dr. Curt Connors: 5’8

Maxwell Dillon / Pre-Accident Electro: 5’8 (.5)

Flash Thompson: 5’9

Quentin Beck / Mysterio: est. 5’9

JJJ: 5’10

Donald Menken: 5’10

Pre-Venom Eddie Brock: 5’10

Alex O’Hirn / Pre-Experiment Rhino: 6’0

Norman Osborn: 6’1

Green Goblin: 6’1

Flint Marko / Sandman: 6’1

Adrian Toomes / Vulture: 6’3

Ox: 6’3 (.5)

Kraven (without hair): 6’4 (.5)

Tombstone: 6’8 (needs to be double checked)

Post-Accident Electro: can get up to 6’9 with electric hair

Kraven (with hair): 6’9

Post-Experiment Rhino: 7’6

[hollowsart]

I am skipping around the tssm episode ‘blueprints‘ again for a specific moment that I’m trying to find again for something and I JUST noticed a line Mysterio says and like.. the way he says it.. I’m just.. gonna add that right next to the line tssm Doc Ock says in ‘Gangland‘ to Silvermane that shouldn’t have sounded as.. hot as it did.

“You have one chance to abandon your hateful cargo.”

like dang, man. didn’t know he could sound like that, but okay, alright.

[kzele]

Yeah, Peter basically becomes the favorite waiter at this Italian place the mob (run by Silvermane at the time) frequents in the past. Ironically, he did so because Tombstone made a remark about crime paying. Plus is, he can get info on gang movements now.

I have more to talk about if anyone wants to hear it in a separate post.

was talking to @kzele about their timetravel au recently. Im so in love with all the ideas.

Specifically, the thought of peter becoming a waiter at an Italian restaurant that silvermane and his gang frequented.

And! Young tomby. love that boi.

[kzele]

Chapter 2 is up, everybody!

Voice of Reason

In which Spider-Man arrives earlier than canon to the Gangland fight and subsequently changes EVERYTHING.

It wasn't hard for Peter to find the crime lords, as shooting everything in sight and leaving trails of destruction don't exactly lend themselves to subtlety. Then again, he thought as he swung closer to the source of the carnage, Ock really isn't one for being low-key when he's not planning from afar. Engaging the deranged doctor in person was risky, but manageable considering how easily he loses his cool when faced with quips and insults.

Tombstone would be harder to deal with, given his hand-to-hand skills, cool-headed demeanor, and problematic good public image. With any luck, Peter mused, Tombstone'll be knocked out or something before I have to deal with him. (But knowing the nature of his luck means that that chance is as slim as Rhino knowing Shakespeare by heart. Possible, but highly unlikely.)

And lastly, there was Silvermane. Other than being old, having Silver Sable as his right hand, and being the previous ruler of New York's underworld before Tombstone, Peter really had almost no info to go on here. He'd have to hope for the best and prep for the worst in dealing with-

"We were ALL betrayed! By Hammerhead."

What? What's going on? Peter's thoughts are interrupted by Tombstone's baritone voice as he swings his way to a stop behind a column.

An unknown man shouts out a response, "Hammerhead is a stooge! He doesn't blink without orders."

"Indeed. Your denial lacks sincerity," Ock's more familiar tone oozes in agreement and Peter was left feeling more confused than ever. It was just the three crime lords in the room and yet. . .

Something was off here. So, naturally, it was time for Spider-Man to do what Spider-Man does best: poke his nose in something that didn't really concern him.

"Pardon me for interrupting," all three heads turned in his direction, "but maybe you should hear him out before continuing your semi-public murderfest. I mean, I literally just got here and even I can tell something doesn't add up."

"Arachnid," Doctor Octopus's teeth were bared and his arms raised, "You will-"

"Be happy to punch your ticket at a later time. For now, though, I want to figure out why Tombstone would throw someone who's apparently very loyal to his organization under the bus to people who know of the guy's loyalty."

The dude in some sort of armor, who Peter can safely bet is Silvermane at this point, gives out a snort in response.

"This is the guy that's been giving you both so much trouble? Doesn't look like much to me, considering all he's done so far is talk."

Peter ignores the taunt. If he wants to underestimate him, then that'll make things a little easier in the long run when they actually do fight. Apparently, the other two thought the same as they also made no rebuttal.

Spider-Man turns his gaze towards the calculating gaze of the albino crime lord, "So. Hammy turned traitor. How do you know?"

(POV Change)

Tombstone glared suspiciously at his savior. The vigilante had the habit of being somewhat unpredictable, but this scenario was unexpected even by his standards.

Time to cut to the chase and ask a very important question.

"Why do you care? I would have thought you'd gladly let us tear each other apart. Or at least wait until we're weakened enough to pick us all off."

Spider-Man tilted his head and answered, "What, aside from blowing holes in classy buildings and harming the people here? Something's been bugging me about this whole fight for some reason and if clearing that up means a chance at avoiding a huge, drawn-out battle where there's a chance more people are gonna get hurt, I'll take it. Now, will you three stooges calm down and think for a minute about who's really arranging the set-up here? Why would Tombstone attend a conference with the ones that he's trying to off? Isn't Hammerhead his underling or something? Why not send him in his place?"

Tombstone couldn't believe it. First, Hammerhead betrays him after years of loyal service and now Spider-Man is speaking reason to the other crime lords in his defense? The world really has gone insane, he thought.

Silvermane was unconvinced, "Hammerhead knocked out my daughter and took out Octopus's lieutenant, too! If he wasn't loyal to Tombstone, why go to all that trouble to that and throw his boss a weapon, too?"

"I agree. Your conclusion is erroneous; Hammerhead's devotion is no secret here," Ock sneered.

Spider-Man hummed and asked them, "So then what? Who took him out afterwards?"

The two blinked in confusion and looked at each other.

The armor-clad crime boss spoke mockingly, "We never said that he was taken out. Were you even listening?"

The vigilante straightened up when hearing this and gave his own rhetorical question, "But if Hammerhead is so loyal and he wasn't taken out, why isn't he fighting alongside Tombstone right now? It's two against one against his boss, but he hasn't shown up yet. Shouldn't he have shown up by now?"

Dead silence.

Tombstone could see the realization hit both of their faces as they looked up at the hole and into the room where they last saw his (now former) employee. Doctor Octopus snarled, the man's ego clearly taking a hit over being tricked, and began making his way back up to the second floor.

Silvermane followed shortly and yelled after him, "Hey! You better not leave me outta this, Octopus! I want that flat-topped traitor to be eating his own plating after I rip it from HIS SKULL!"

Spider-Man cringed, "Annnd they're off. I should probably follow them to minimize any damage."

"Probably," the albino remarked dryly.

A sigh and, "Figures."

Just as soon as the younger man prepared to swing after the two murderous crime lords, Tombstone laid a hand on his shoulder.

"Thank you. You may not have done it for my sake, but I need to ask one more favor of you tonight."

Now it was the webslinger's turn to be suspicious, "That being?"

"That you help me find the real orchestrator of these events. You see, I also have a hunch. I believe your assessment is half-right, Hammerhead could very well be a pawn still even after betraying me. Whether he knows it or not however, is something less clear."

"It'll be harder to figure that out if he's dead and I doubt those two'll wait to ask. They've got their revenge goggles on right now, so tag along and explain on the way. Assuming it isn't too late yet."

His unlikely ally proceeds to hold out a hand for him to secure a grip.

"Very well," Tombstone says as he takes the hand offered.

Perhaps down the line this could lead to the more. . .mutually beneficial partnership he had hoped would happen between them when they had originally met. At least allying with Spider-Man guaranteed that he'd survive even if betrayed. Either way, it didn't hurt to side with the only voice of reason Tombstone had found on this day.