#ts clbg

[shortprince-cos]

Everyone in CLBG: you know what? Frick you! *unpattons your Deceit*

[royalnugget42]

It’s 2am so this might not be coherent but I keep thinking about the real world implications of the Sanders Sides. Like, Joan on the phone call at the end of “Can Lying Be Good” made it seem like this is a thing that Thomas tends to do often and that his friends are aware of. However, what I’m wondering is:

What would Thomas’s friends see if they were in the room for a Sanders Sides video?

Would it look like Thomas talking to himself and doing various voices? We see in “Selfishness vs Selflessness” that when he goes into the Mind Palace it’s just him sitting on the couch with his eyes closed. So all signs would seem to indicate the sides aren’t visible to people, and are unable to interact with the real world.

But there’s conflicting evidence. In the most recent episode, there’s a part where Patton gets smacked by Logan’s text pop-up and hits the blinds behind him. Thomas seems really weirdly worried about the state of the blinds, worried that Patton may have damaged them. But Patton is imaginary, so how would he have damaged anything in the real world?

Then at the end of “Putting Others First” we see Patton and Janus talking to each other in another room while Thomas is talking to his friends Lee and Mary Lee. We’ve also seen multiple occasions of the sides doing things and discussing things without Thomas knowing about it. How could it be possible for Thomas to not know about these things if it’s just him standing in the living room talking to himself?

So from this information, I propose that the sides maybe started as imaginary and noncorporeal, but have become more real over the course of these videos. More and more often the sides keep secrets from Thomas, or mess with his sense of reality against his will, like with Remus. It’s also become more common to see Thomas in the same frame as one of the other sides, such as with Logan’s part of the song in “Learning New Things About Ourselves” (I know this is because the team is better at editing, but it could still be relevant). Even the gross “stretchy arm thing” could be a part of this. With the sides becoming more a part of the physical world, they can interact with each other more, but they’re still able to bend the rules in unnatural and unsettling ways. It’s like an uncanny valley thing for Thomas.

TL:DR - I think that maybe at this point, the character Thomas believes in these characters and knows them so well, that they’ve actually started to exist. Which, he wouldn’t actually realize had happened, until maybe one of his friends walks in on one of their little board meetings and sees multiple copies of Thomas only for him to say “you can see them too ??”

[everwizard]

I made a Roman gif cuz I couldn't find one of this specific part.

[daring-elm]

isn't it amazing that after nearly 4 years we get the chance to meme about fitting in again

[id: a handshake. one arm is labeled "remus"; the other is labeled "patton". text on their clasped hands reads "looks like a pirate". end id.]

[serpentinesomebody]

what Thomas Sanders characters say when their friend asks them to hang out and they don’t want to

[turneverybodyintopuppets]

Guess the Side!

- Random outbursts that you can’t help but chuckle at

- Snacks on an inedible compound, much to everyone else’s dismay

- Enthusiastically condones felonies

- Employs wordplay to make dirty jokes

- Has a dapper BFF who is Very Exasperated but accepting of his antics

- Has canonically committed arson

- Temporarily grows big enough to pick up other characters with a single hand

- More specifically, grows into a frog

- It’s Patton, not Remus

- God I love that they’re lowkey very similar

- Let them be chaotic together, Tomathy

[macademmia]

I feel like Janus would be very active on r/amitheasshole subreddit. He would defintley be brutally blunt and get mad at all the assholes who don't have common sense yet also make very weird posts about how he annoys all the sides and everyone is so confused.

Imagine scrolling through the subreddit and seeing, "am i the asshole? I impersonated my ex-husband to try and get sad gay man to learn how to lie while his angry emo friend thought I was sus"

[really-awkward-pics-of-roman]

you can hear what he's saying even without audio

[really-awkward-pics-of-janus]

when something touches your foot in the ocean

[stupidbullshitallday]

DEAR FANDERS

I am aware we are all happy about our beloved Logan "Logic" Sanders not birthday and how happy he looks after he got his birthday wish turned into reality! Hurray for that!

However, i'm not here to talk about that! rewatching the series we have this line in "Can lying be good?" Minute 21:27

We know Logan embodies Thomas's knowledge so here he is saying he is Thomas's greatest weapon and defense, that what he represents is what will never hurt him and that's funny because representing knowledge is exactly what got him hurt in "putting others first" aka "SvS redux"

Logan was called upon Patton to provide information that could've prevented Thomas getting hurt if he had lisented, but they didn't Thomas's damage was mental, and Logan's? Emotional, he was so angered that he was called only to be ignored he didn't even want to hear anything from anyone, especially from Patton he simply provided what he had to say and left, hurt.

Logan whole life revolves about what he knows, about what he can provide and about what keeps him going. He believed knowledge was a defense and a weapon, yet he never considered it could be a double edged weapon. If the one thing he represents, the one thing that kept him safe and the thing that could never hurt him did just that, What does that leave Logan? That answer is yours to tell.

If i had to realize this and be sad so do all of you :).

Grab some tissues and a crofters jar if you are sad, that is all bye!

[mofsblog]

"Deceit? Who's she? Never heard of her"

It's like midnight and I was in a drawing mood sp here's a drawing of Janus from CLBG. Ngl, I'm genuinely shocked by how well this turned out

[starshard17]

Goretober Day 23! Possession

Not particularly gorey but this was the first thing I thought of <3

I couldn't find my blending stump ahhh

[eggsnu]

Bold of you to assume Deceit is a cold, reserved, un-dorky villian.

That poor dude literally lost his shit within the 18 minutes of his introductory episode. Literally said "oh shoot!" when Thomas made up for his lie to Joan in the end card. Who did the infamous 'WOO!' That's right, Deceit did. That guy literally gives his all in the first minutes (i.e the whole courtroom scene, referencing famous philosophers, etc.) and when that doesn't work, he proceeds to lash out. Give him a break. He deserves a break, Thomas.

[astronomical-bagel]

Bagelverse featuring me and my chronic case of Roman angst

[whenisitenoughtrees]

about the backwards speech: i wasn't really in the fandom between janus' first appearance and his name reveal (funny enough) but i thought about it too and my guess is that after janus revealed himself in clbg he didn't tell a singe truth if i recall correctly (except for the "ow it hurt" which was a slip up and he denied quickly after) so maybe the fandom thought this was just how he speaks when he's himself? or that he prefers to talk to others like that?

yeah that would make sense

it’s funny bc i first watched the series this past february, so i think i’m prone to forgetting that clbg came out in 2018, and the next time he shows up for a substantial length of time is in svs, which was over a year later? so people had to wait a good while for that more substantial characterization

[serpentinesomebody]

Why Janus Planned The Entirety Of His Own Acceptance Arc From The Very Beginning

I think that Janus planned everything. From his reveal all the way to POF, he mapped it all out like a game of chess. And I think I finally know why, too.

So let’s start at his goals. He represents deceit, and has the goal of self-preservation. Additionally, however, he wants the one thing all sides want: for Thomas to listen to them.

Janus’ introduction is very different from Virgil’s. Thomas didn’t even know about him. And when things settle down, we get an idea as to what his first impression of Janus is: he’s scared of him, and skeptical, too. He doesn’t trust him. But this is exactly what Janus wanted. But why? Why present himself as a frightening and untrustworthy side? How could that possibly benefit him or Thomas?

Well, let’s look at what would have happened if just appeared and introduced himself as, well, himself. No disguises, no theatre scenario, none of that.

Well for one, Thomas probably wouldn’t be as afraid of him. What scared Thomas so much, I think, was that Janus was able to disguise himself for almost half an hour and he didn’t even know. And until Patton appeared at the end, he truly believed that he had no morality, that it was Janus the entire time. He gets the impression that this new side can manipulate him, and quite easily, too. So not only does he not trust this new side, but he’s scared of him, too.

But if Janus introduced himself upfront? Thomas still wouldn’t trust him, but there wouldn’t be much fear either. Thomas would likely just see him as a simple nuisance. He just doesn’t naturally invoke the same fear that Virgil does. Without the fear factor, he only has distrust.

But why would Thomas not trust him if he introduced himself upfront?

Well, he has multiple things going against him. His primary function is deceit. Not exactly helping his case. But let’s say they look past that. Well, he also has a ‘snake face,’ which really doesn’t make him come across as an honest, well-meaning person. Lastly, pretty much all the sides do not like him. Virgil makes his full-on hatred pretty obvious, and Logan certainty doesn’t seem to like him much either. Patton sees him as an antagonist, his opposite. Roman appreciates his charm, but still sees him as a creepy villain nonetheless. All the sides are against him, so how could he convince Thomas to trust him?

But if trying to intimidate Thomas into listening to him won’t work, and being honest won’t work, what will?

Deceiving him.

He knows that even if he’s honest, Thomas still will not trust him. So if Thomas isn’t going to trust him either way, he needs to find a way to manipulate the situation so that even if Thomas won’t listen to him at the moment, he still has control over the situation.

The first episode with Janus goes perfectly according to plan.

One thing that always struck me as odd was that this was the situation that Janus decided he needed to be involved in? Some texting drama?

But that’s exactly what Janus needed. He needed something small, something he could ensure he could manage. If he had made his first appearance in SVS, that would be way too much for Thomas to take in at once, and Thomas wouldn’t have any clue as to what Janus was like. Janus introduced himself over something minor, something insignificant that he wasn’t truly needed for, for the sole purpose of leaving an impression. He meant to reveal himself at the end.

Now let’s move on to SVS. This time, Janus drops the disguise much earlier. And it’s so, so obvious that this was intentional. Janus says things he knows Logan would never say. Hell, Janus doesn’t often use metaphors himself. He proposes hypothetical situations and uses similes, but when does he ever say anything like ‘straight from the horse’s mouth’?

So if he dropped the disguise so early, why even bother doing it in the first place? Simple: he just needed to buy himself a bit more time before Logan came. He needed to ensure that the courtroom scenario was already set up. Janus knew that Logan would be upset that he wasn’t included in a courtroom scenario and would possibly try to insert himself into one of the roles that Janus didn’t want him in.

This begs the question, though, why have Logan on the sidelines?

Because Janus knows that Logan is an intelligent and professional person, and would likely point out that the trial wasn’t exactly following legal code. So, Janus benches him.

As for Patton, well, it just makes the most sense that he would be in the position he was. Patton is the one that Janus is trying to oppose.

But what about Virgil? Why have Virgil as the jury? Why decide that the one person who hates him the most, who is the most biased against him, gets to decide who wins the case? Simple: Janus knows that Virgil will still let him win the case. But how does he have so much faith in that? Because he knows Virgil. They have history, and by now, Virgil’s actions are predictable to him. Virgil is a pessimist by nature, and blunt. He won’t lie to Thomas and say that he thinks he’s a good person just to spare Thomas’ feelings. Janus knows that despite what Virgil thinks of him, he will judge Thomas as guilty.

As for Roman? Janus may not know Roman as well as Virgil, but Roman is predictable. When it comes to morals, he will follow Patton, no matter what. He has to in order to keep up his image as the hero. So, Janus knows that Virgil will judge Thomas as guilty, and he knows that Roman will sentence Thomas to go to the wedding because he knows that Roman knows that that’s what Patton wants.

That was his entire goal for that episode: ensure that Thomas goes to the wedding.

And the reason he needs Thomas to go to the wedding is because it sets the stage for POF.

Janus knows that Thomas will be upset after the wedding, and he knows that Thomas’ mood will have an effect on Patton. His first goal in the episode, aside from bringing up a few facts, is to get Patton to snap. He needs Thomas to see that sometimes Patton doesn’t always know everything, that things are more complicated then that. And, more importantly, he needs to present himself as the hero this time.

As I said, Janus knows that Roman will side with Patton no matter what. So if Roman is by Patton’s side, then who’s there for Thomas?

He is.

Janus presents himself as the hero. This scene is such a crucial moment. He’s clearly trying to portray the image that he is on Thomas’ side.

But if that’s the case, then why does he dodge Patton’s attack and let Thomas get hit instead?

He feels like he has no other choice. Patton is still insisting that it’s dangerous for Thomas to take self-care too far. The only way Janus can get Patton to see that he’s hurting Thomas is...to let Patton literally, physically hurt Thomas. This, I think, is probably the most difficult thing Janus has ever had to do thus far. Thomas’ safety and happiness is his one goal, there is no one who he puts before Thomas, not even himself.

It’s the hardest thing Janus has had to do, but it works. Patton finally realizes, finally admits that he doesn’t know everything.

Janus is so close to getting accepted.

But there’s one problem left: Roman.

Roman doesn’t trust Janus. And here’s the thing: Janus needed Patton to accept him, yes, but Roman was also a crucial component. I don’t think Janus’ intention was to antagonize Roman, rather, I think he wanted Roman’s approval. Pushing Thomas’ hero down doesn’t help anyone, especially Thomas. He has Patton’s approval, now he needs Roman’s. He needs Roman, Thomas’ hero, to see him as one too. And that, that is where he made a horrible mistake.

He tried to get Roman to take a liking to him in the courtroom, not by much, of course, since he still wanted Roman to sentence Thomas to the wedding after all, but enough for Roman to not be completely against him.

But he screwed up. Roman realized that Janus’ praise in the courtroom wasn’t 100% honest, and now he full-on hates Janus.

The way Janus tries to fix this, I think, is by giving his name. Granted, I’m sure that he would have done it sometime during POF anyway, but he thinks that it’s enough to change Roman’s mind and it isn’t.

This, I think, is the real reason why Janus is so harsh when Roman makes fun of his name.

What he expects is going to happen, is that Roman is going to warm up to him a bit. Or at the least, that he’ll stop spiraling/panicking and take a minute to truly listen to Janus, perhaps allow him to explain himself.

But that’s not what happens. And Janus just snaps.

Because he was so close, so close to wrapping up his acceptance in a perfect, neat little bow and it is ruined.

Sure, he still had his relationship with Virgil and Logan to work on, but if Patton and Roman were on his side, Thomas would be too. And it would be three against two, meaning he’d likely get a permanent seat at the table. He could fix his relationship with Virgil and Logan later, but he needed a seat at the table. Yes, his plan is kinda rushed, but he wants to get to Thomas as fast as possible so he can help him with things like this in the future-things where there could be even more important things at stake. I’m sure he didn’t want to hurt anyone, but he felt like he had to go with this plan in order to help in the long-term.

But Roman laughs at his name and he is so frustrated, so tired, and he doesn’t know how else he can try to get Roman on his side and he snaps.

Afterwards, you can tell he regrets it. He knows he messed up.

And when Thomas says that Roman is still his hero, Roman turns to Janus in a silent question of ‘is he lying?’ But Janus interprets it as, ‘is he telling the truth?’ and so he nods. And when he sees that Roman is upset, he realizes that there was a miscommunication between them, but before he can do anything about it, Roman is already gone.

TLDR: All of Janus’ actions are planned to get him a seat at the table, except for when he snaps and calls Roman ‘the evil twin,’ and fucks up majorly.