#transandrofobija

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Slovenski prevod // Slovenian translation

Vprašanje:

Vem, da sta tme/tma (transmizoginistično izvzeti/transmizoginistično prizadeti) intersekstična in ne v redu izraza in se strinjam. A tudi vidim ljudi, ki pravijo, da transmaski, ki so lahko clockani kot transfemi, ne doživljajo prave transmizoginije, ker je napačno usmerjena, torej se ne šteje. To mi nekako nikdar ni bilo smiselno? Sem interseks, torej nekako ne sodim nikamor med tme/tma, doživljam transmizoginijo in transandrofobijo.

Moje glavno vprašanje je, ali lahko (periseks) transmaski doživljajo transmizoginijo, a to ni stvar, ker je napačno usmerjena?

Odgovor:

To je fantastično vprašanje in me veseli, da ste si vzeli čas in vprašali!

Stvar je: kvirfob, ki naslavlja transmaska na transmizoginistični način ne ve, da ta oseba ni trans ženska. Ne ve in jih ne briga kako se ta oseba identificira. Sploh. S to osebo ravnajo na transmizoginističen način zato, ker mislijo, da so v interakciji s trans žensko. Kvirfobi nimajo, tko, čarobni laserski vid, s katerim lahko vidijo tvojo resnično identiteto. V bistvu jim je popolnoma vseeno, kaj je tvoja resnična identiteta. To, kako te dojemajo, jim je najpomembnejša stvar v tistem trenutku.

To ne pomeni, da to nenadoma ni transmizoginija. Femme cis gej moški so tudi prizadeti s transmizoginijo, ne razumem zakaj ljudje hočejo to pozabiti. Mislim. Obstajajo ves čas femme cis gej moški, kateri kvirfobi mislijo, da so trans ženske, in jim mečejo enake žaljivke in grožnje. Mislim. Transmizoginija prizadene ljudi, katere kvirfobi MISLIJO, da so trans ženske. Nima NIČ veze s tem, kako se ta oseba identificira.

Trans moški so klicani dyke, ker storilec misli, da je ta oseba butch lezbijka. Storilcu ni mar, da tisti trans moški ni butch lezbijka- je butch lezbijka kvirfobu, in to je vse, kar jih briga. Ljudje iz nekega razloga mislijo, da je kvirfobu nekako mar o tvoji identiteti, ali da lahko vidijo razliko med trans moški in trans ženskam.

Ne morejo.

Povprečna nekvir oseba sploh ne ve, kaj je trans moški. Ljudje izven kvir skupnosti NE razumejo, da ljudje prostovoljno delajo tranzicijo v moškost. Tvoja povprečna oseba le razume transnost v okviru moški-v-žensko trans žensko. Vem, da nekdo, ki ni trans moški, tega ne bo doživel, a sem imelo v resničnem življenju več izkušenj, kjer sem nekomu razložilo, da sem v tranziciji, da postanem moški, da jemljem testosteron, da se takrat primarno identificiram kot moški, in so mi še vedno pravili "Aaaaaa. Torej si ženska. A imaš še zmeraj svoj penis?"

Moram dobesedno rutinsko razložiti koncept trans moškosti večini nekvir ljudi, ki jih spoznam, ker mislijo, da so edina vrsta trans ljudi trans ženske.

To pomeni, da transmizoginija prizadene zelo širok razpon trans in kvir ljudi, ker je to nekdo, ki kvirfob misli, da napadajo. To ni ""napačno usmerjeno"" - kvirfob misli, da si trans ženska, in te napada zato, ker mislijo, da si trans ženska. So prepričani, da so zadeli tarčo. Trans moški je še zmeraj prizadet. Četudi trans moški ni trans ženska, jih bo še zmeraj prizadelo. Še zmeraj jih boli, če z njimi ravnajo na kvirfobični način. Ne razumem, zakaj tudi ljudi ne briga, da jih bo še zmeraj prizadelo, četudi je "napačno usmerjeno". Še zmer je zanič. Še zmer boli. Še zmer je transfobija.

Tme in tma dobesedno ne obstajata. Ti besedi nimata nobenega smisla v resničnem življenju, in le obstajata, da policeata telesa ljudi. "Tme" pomeni afab (dodeljeni ženske ob rojstvu) in "tma" pomeni amab (dodeljeni moški ob rojstvu) tem ljudem, in to je dobesedno vse, kar pomeni. Sta samo ponovno poustvarjanje spolne binarnosti. Nima nič veze s tem, kako se osebe identificirajo. Če so afab trans moški PRISILJENI se identificirati kot "tme" in so amab trans ženske PRISILJENI se identificirati kot "tma" ste potem zopet dobesedno poustvarili spolno binarnost. Nobena oseba ni osvobojena s tem, da uporablja te izraze.

i know that tme/tma are intersexist and not great terms to use and i agree. but i also see people saying that transmascs who might get clocked as transfems don’t experience real transmisogyny, it’s just misdirected so it doesn’t count. i guess that’s never made sense to me? i’m intersex so i don’t really fit anywhere within tme/tma, i experience transmisogyny and transandrophobia.

my main question is can (perisex) transmascs experience transmisogyny, or is that not a thing since it’s misdirected?

this is a fantastic question and i'm glad you took the time to ask!

the thing is: the queerphobe addressing the transmasc in a transmisogynstic matter doesn't know that person isn't a trans woman. they don't know or care how that person identifies. at all. they are treating that person in a transmisogynstic fashion becase they think they're interacting with a trans woman. queerphobes don't have like, magical laser vision that can see your true identity from the outside. in fact, they could not care less what your real identity is. what they perceive you as is the most important thing to them in that moment.

this doesn't make it suddenly not transmisogyny. femme cis gay men are also affected by transmisogyny, i don't get why people seem to wanna forget that, too. like. there are femme cis gay men that queerphobes think are trans women, all the time, and get the same slurs and threats thrown at them. like. transmisogyny affects with the person perpetuating it THINKS is a trans woman. it has NOTHING to do with how that person identifies

trans men get called dykes because the perpetrator thinks that person is a butch lesbian. the perpetrator doesn't care that that trans man isn't a butch lesbian- they're a butch lesbian to the queerphobe and that's literally all that matters to them. people think for some reason the queerphobe somehow cares about your identity, or that they can tell the difference between trans men and trans women.

they can't.

the average non queer person does not know what a trans man is. people outside of the queer community do NOT understand that people willingly transition into manhood. your average person only understands transness within the frame of a male-to-female trans woman. i know that someone who isn't a trans man won't experience this, but i have had multiple occasions in real life where i explained to someone that i am transitioning into becoming a man, that i am taking testosterone, that i primarily identify as a man now, and they still go "Ahhhhh. so you're a woman. do you still have your penis?"

i have to literally routinely explain the concept of trans manhood to most non queer people i meet because they think the only kinds of trans people are trans women.

this means that transmisogyny affects a very broad range of trans and queer people, because that is who the queerphobe thinks they are attacking. that is not ""misdirection""- the queerphobe thinks you are a trans woman, and is attacking you for being what they think is a trans woman. they are convinced they are hitting their mark. the trans man is still affected by it. even if the trans man isn't a trans woman, it's still going to affect them. it's still going to hurt them to be treated in a queerphobic manner. like i don't get why people also don't care that it's still going to hurt them even if it's "misdirected". it still sucks. it's still painful. it's still transphobia

tme and tma literally don't exist. those terms make no sense in the real world and only exist to police people's bodies. "tme" means afab and "tma" means amab to these people, that's literally all it means. it's just people recreating the sex binary yet again. it has nothing to do with how people identify. if afab trans men are FORCED to identify as "tme" and amab trans women are FORCED to identify as "tma" then you recreated the sex binary literally all over again. nobody is liberated by using these terms