#toa rott speculations

[byblix]

It's the anniversary again, so may as well put this up here.

[rikalovesrice]

ALL RIGHT NERDS.

RoTT trailer’s dropped so it’s time to scream.

deep breath

AASL;DKFJADHLJAFHD AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

MY CHILDREN LOOK AT ALL MY PRECIOUS CHILDREN TOGETHER AND BEING FRIENDS AND A FOUND FAMILY ASDJKLAJDLFAK;JDFADKAFJDLF

AND DOUXIE 

DOUXIE MY SWEET PRECIOUS AMAZING BOY LOOKIT HIM BEING A MASTER WIZARD AND A COOL BIG BROOOOOO

JIM. JIM MY PRECIOUS SON GOT EXCALIBER HIM SO WORTHY YESSSS

WARRIOR QUEEN AJA MY GIRL BACK WITH HER TECHY LITTLE BRO KREL MY SON

ELIIIIIIIII YOU ARE SO TALL NOW MY BOY

VARVATOS, NOMURA, WALTER AND BARBARA, STEWART, STEVE A;LKDFALKDJFADFADKFJADAJDHGADFDHFA --

Ahem.

Okay now that that’s done, time for a wee bit of analysis and theorizing. 

So. The Titans have indeed risen (okay guys what were we expecting it’s literally the title of the movie lol). A titan of Fire, one of Ice, and one of Earth. When exactly Nari will be captured by the Order is of course unknown. It seems like Bellroc is sort of piloting the Fire Titan somehow....I’m assuming Skrael will be doing the same with the Ice Titan.

Nari....Bellroc and Skrael have to have done something to her. Some sort of mind control spell? I can’t say. However this image is quite curious to me :

It looks to me like Douxie’s trying to talk something down, with Jim and Claire looking very hesitant behind him. Maybe he’s trying to reason with and speak to a mind controlled Nari??? Perhaps, perhaps. But either way, it does look like he’s taking the lead in handling something.....Or it could just be Jlaire being like, “Um no, Douxie, bro do something.” lol (also why is he so pretty omg he’s so beautiful douxie my husband uwu)

ALRIGHT. Jimbo wielding the swordy sword.

Also Douxie riding on Aaaargh gives me so much joy hehehehee

Hmmmm wonder why Excaliber’s crystal is detached and what significance that holds. A piece of the Heart of Avalon? And there’s also that green glowy orb Douxie’s holding. They could possibly be connected. (Also Jim bebe what happened to your hand??? ;___; I wanna kiss all his booboos and tell him is gonna be ok poor bebe)

I BETTER GET MY RECKLESS CLUB SEGMENT AND FOUND FAMILY FLUFF, MOVIE.

Ahem. 

Blinky....Yeah. I don’t think Blinky’s gonna make it, guys. 

“We have magic, aliens, trolls....and Blinky.”

*SHOWS BLINKY LOOKING SOFTLY AT JIM LIKE THE SURROGATE FATHER HE IS*

That’s a odd amount of emphasis being put on our favorite troll dad and it only smells like sadness T__T 

Or maybe they’re just.....trolling us. (aaaaaaye) LORD I HOPE SO THIS MOVIE’S ALREADY GOING TO DESTROY MY EMOTIONS DON’T DO THIS TO ME--

Cough

Obviously there’s still heaps of information we won’t get until the movie finally comes out because I kinda doubt they’ll have a second trailer (but boi that’d be crispy and lively in equal measure).

I’m fairly certain that Charlie was confirmed for the movie but we haven’t seen him yet, and Del Toro hinted at Jim’s biological father being in the movie somehow. Archie’s in the poster for the movie but we didn’t see him in the trailer.....My guess is that he was probably captured (because losing your Familiar has to be devastating and Douxie seemed alright for the most part.....but who knows.) OR HE KEEPS FLYING AROUND OFF SCREEN LIKE ARCHIE GET IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA AND STOP WORRYING PEOPLE.

Still hoping for the massive Endgame war with an army of trolls, Akiridions, and hedge wizards/witches (Zoe...? Still hoping for Zoe >_<) CAUSE HOW EPIC WOULD THAT BE Y’ALL LET’S GOOOOOO. 

Okay long post is kinda long. I’m SO excited for this movie. The animation looks gorgeous, my children are all together saving the world, more Douxie more Douxie more Douxie and feels are going to be felt and we’re all about to hurt so good hohoho...... :’)

Also

MY POOR BABY LOOK HOW EXHAUSTED AND HURT HE IS PLEASE GIVE HIM HUGS AND NAPS T__T

okie i’m done .___.

[aritheunfortunate]

Am I right?

[fear-before-valor]

My new theory is that this is Jim’s dad

[i-am-gun-robot]

Aw, thanks so much!! 🥺💕

Working out Troll Jim’s Height

Alright, so this was pretty time-consuming. I was looking for something to measure human Jim against to start with, when @trollmarket-dog pointed out that this exists:

(THANKYOU for that! Saved me a lot of time!) So that means we have a height pre-transformation of around 5′6″.  The next question is how big human Jim would be next to Troll Jim. Here’s my work on that. (Lots of overlaying and using red marks.)

I didn’t trust them all to stand straight, so I resized the new screenshots against the height of troll Jim from chin to ear, height of human Jims head, and the height of Blinky’s nose. Now things get fiddly, but essentially what I did was get a picture of a six-inch ruler online and carefully duplicate it. I marked out feet on my new giant ruler and also human Jim’s height on it.

After that it was a simple question of resizing them in the same folder until human Jim was the right size next to the ruler. (I also made sure to measure from his heel and not his toes.)

Then I just sidled Troll Jim over and counted it out. Troll Jim is a very close approximate to 7′5″, including his horns! He grew about two feet taller. He’s lucky for that magic grace, I’m sure anyone else would not have a fun time with coordinating their body after a 2-foot growth spurt! Also worth noting that his arms are like, as thick as his waist was. And his fingers must be close to as thick as his human fist was. That must be weird as hell.

[eztria]

trollhunters: rott and overall toa thoughts

decided to write down what i think of the movie and the series as a whole after watching rott

toby domzalski

first of all, i am so unspeakably sad that toby remained a comedy relief character until it was time for him to die. i really hoped he would get his time to shine but not like this. the death scene was definitely amazingly done and im glad that at the very least rott had a scene that showed the audience just how important tody’s friendship was to jim.

on that note tho, im sad that no one seemed to realize that toby was gone??? it was only after jim realized what happened that he was the first to desperately search for him. i get that toby has the strongest ties to jim but??? claire??? AAARRRGGHH??? they were also close with toby but even after seeing him take the car they didnt immediately shift their focus to him after finding jim???

i really wished we got more serious moments with him through all the toa series. i feel like after trollhunters (although he was also a comic relief there, but id say there was more to him back then), he became the designated comic relief and it makes him such a 2-dimensional character.

jim lake jr

jim is one of my favorite protagonists ever in any show, so seeing him struggle through all the series was always an emotional rollercoaster. i appreciate what rott was going for, the “he doesnt need the armor/amulet, hes always been a hero” sentiment but... the movie gives him the amulet back in the same scene in which he says it. i was severely disappointed when it happened, im not gonna lie. the scene would have been way more impactful if jim defeated bellroc by himself when they were stripped out of magic, instead of suddenly getting a power-up and besting her in combat. if jim didnt get the amulet right then the message of “i always was a hero, with the amulet or without” would have actually hit way harder. we see jim struggle about being just human and lacking the power to hold his own ground in a fight through the whole movie and him suddenly besting bellroc with the amulet is just. underwhelming. i think he should have gotten the amulet after the fight, so we still could have the whole time travel shenanigans thing happen, but def not when he got it. 

and on the topic of the time travel, what the fuck did they do to jim. like????? hello????? this. in Not. the same jim lake jr who went into the darklands all by himself so his friends wouldnt get killed/hurt. this is Not the same jim who refused to burden his mother with what he had to deal with as a trollhunter. the fact that he makes a concious choice to have toby pick up the trollhunter amulet????? is so out of character for him???? especially since he experienced all the struggles, the hurt, the trauma himself. i Refuse to believe he would ever have his best friend relive the hell he has been through all those years. especially since only He has the knowledge of the past??? how does he think this is going to play out??

not to mention that, by having the amulet choose toby, it means that the whole fate/destiny aspect of jim being chosen is out of the window. i didnt like how much the series leaned into it already, because im not a fan of stories which support the concept of “destiny/fate” but that ending really just confirm that jim was never the chosen one, he was just lucky to get the amulet first, because it could have been literally anyone. and im not trying to say that toby would not be a great trollhunter himself, i just mean that if toby can also be chosen instead of jim, the whole speech about destiny is kind of a lie.

claire nuñez

this isn’t really a criticism about her character, but more of how she has been treated by the narrative. im glad that claire gets to do more in this movie and that she keeps an active role (despite being spent in critical points to prevent her from solving problems). i really wish claire was more than Just jims love interest once they got together tho. i wish she was first and foremost his friend instead of his girlfriend, although that might be just my personal pet peeve of narratives putting romantic relationships above platonic ones. i felt it was really a shame that her wish for jim was to “find her and try until she falls in love with him again”. like i get that it was a sweet scene and sentiment overall but all i could think of was shouldnt she be freaking out that her friends and family are possibly dead because of the destruction of the whole town??? she could have been helping people evacuate and then join the fight.

the steve palchuk problem

ive seen a lot of people talk about this, but yeah the mpreg plot was really unnecessary. its really weird and it made me very uncomfortable considering both aja and steve are like. supposedly 18? in rott. this whole plot point not only feels like it takes up time that could have been better spent, but it also kinda portrays aja as a really bad partner to steve. like. you’re telling me she never really told him how this works??? like, ignoring how stupid and arbitrary the 7th kiss thing is, considering that she knows how kissing works for humans, she Should have told him about the possible consequences of it. i get that she was on akiridion-5 but is there really no way for her to communicate with him, considering that krel stayed on earth??? i dont remember if there was any communication mentioned, but if it was, that makes aja even worse in this context, honestly. they did my girl so dirty.

(on a quick note tho, i do like how aja was reluctant to follow jim. she’s a queen now and her priority will always be the safety of people surrounding her so her sentiment of “you can do the risky thing But my ships are still showing up either way” was really nice and i actually liked that she kinda went against jim and questioned him.)

with the mpreg steve plotline also comes the fact that eli is barely in this movie. we literally only get to see him to see that he has a growth spurt and then to have him deliver the babies. i really wish we could have gotten more about eli himself, maybe see how his relationship with aja developed into a friendship??? or the good old eli-steve friendship after a long time of being apart.

anticlimactic deaths/losses

nomura’s death scene was so fast and we didn’t even really linger on its impact, which honestly was. really disappointing. strickler was also done really dirty by being killed off nearly immediately after the reveal of his engagement with barbara. at the very least we got a scene of the lakes mourning him.

nari’s death served a purpose. they sacrificed herself to kill skrael. i did like how much it impacted douxie, but after the deaths, the characters are not really mentioned again until the very end when jim decides to time travel.

archie being left behind felt kind of forced and i wish he stayed in the story if only so douxie didnt have to lose two people close to him on the same day. we also never mention him again which... okay.

this is the finale... where is everyone, what is happening

is barbara just stranded in the castle now??? where is nana?? the changeling babies??? notenrique and claire’s family??? the trolls from the troll market??? this whole movie just felt rushed, honestly. we never were told how barbara and strickler got to the castle and we never even got to witness them see jim in the human form for the first time too. i honestly think this movie should have just been a series. it has enough action to stretch it out and we could have had more scenes that were about finishing arcs for characters and lingering on the consequences of certain deaths. its not a bad movie in itself, but it does not feel like a proper finale to the toa series, especially with the last 5 minutes of rott. im kind of disappointed, but at the same time we p much got an open ending so everyone can go wild with their interpretations/speculations.

[toaheadcanons]

General reaction time! Again, this will contain HEAVY SPOILERS FOR TALES OF ARCADIA AND RISE OF THE TITANS. SKIP THIS IF IT GOT THROUGH YOUR FILTER.

So, let's begin. Firstly, as beautifully visually executed as the movie was, I think we all could tell the full original team wasn't working on this part of the TOA project. Setting that aside for a moment though. Trust me on this.

I was SHOCKED at the animation quality this time around. TOA has almost always had pristine graphics, and a movie budget took things to a while new level. Well done, TOA animation team!! 🥰🥰🥰

The MagiScience Camelot. Can I live there? Also, do they live there?? It's sort of unclear, did everyone just decide after the end of Wizards to form their own little bubble or???

I'm curious as to whether the time loop could result in a sort of 'duplication glitch' for the Amulet. I'm putting my speculative stuff in yet another post, because WOW that ending gave my lil' brain a lot to work with

There were so many fantastic scenes intermixed with the not-so-great points. The Best Man scene. That whole sequence in which there's some Blaaarghy hinting sandwiched into the scene between the couples comforting each other. I just 🥺 I know there are a few dull points here, but that whole ten minute span is just so on point. I really wish that accuracy to the characterizations carried all the way through.

I really, REALLY need to know how much time passed between Wizards and ROTT. Really really. Like I know the kids were 15-16 at the start of season 1, and 16-17 by the end of season two, but from there time becomes quite nebulous. I'm speaking in age specifically for our human characters here, as we still have no idea about how the Akiridion, Wizard-Immortal and Trollish life cycles actually work. Like I get that now they're later teens to early adults in age, but considering some of the err, plot choices, I think it's important to know?

I'd love a series, a comic, hell a set of shorts even, where Steve gets some main character time. I really wasn't a fan of him being sidelined the whole time. Give me my Creepslayerz please, Mr. Netflix.

I've started to look at this less like a movie and more like Predacons Rising, a made-for-TV movie/special finale episode. Except, knowing DreamWorks, we also may be seeing the beginnig iteration of another "[name here] of Berk" style of different series, set in different points in time. ESPECIALLY with that ending.

Speaking of, I know a lot of folks were quite upset with the end. I was too for a while, but those braincells just keep on bouncing around, and I have an inkling that however they decide to show us the potential/alternate timeliness, we'll see them somehow.

I'm actually quite excited about the idea of Trollhunter!Toby. From the beginning, I always thought he'd turn out to unknowingly be half-Troll or a changeling or something. Boy has a natural inclination for stones and crystals, the teeth issues, his stature and body-shape, hell, he seems at home in the scenes in Trollmarket throughout the series.

Please, Mr. Netflix, show us what his armor looks like? 👉👈🥺

Okay, picking back up on this not being the original creative team. There were some significant missed opportunities here, not only to draw on previous character development [Steve is a knight, Toby could have used his hammer instead of the glowing sticky-magic, etc.] but also to draw on ideas from The Book that would have gone REALLY well here! Lol and here I was hoping for the "what counts as a bridge" scene. 🤡

For those who don't know, Trollhunters in its original form is a book that reads much like a movie. It features a much different Jim, a much different many characters in fact. There were actually a few references I did catch! If you haven't had a chance to read it and you'd like a palate cleanser, READ IT. Oh it's so good I so wish more people read the book-

Aaaaanyway, back to the topic. The reason I'm looking at this more like a special than a movie is because is feels like it should have been a special. Or a miniseries even, like Wizards. This was a bit much to pack into a <2h timeframe.

BUT, I also feel like they could have waited to spring a plot like this on us until they had a concrete "next steps" plan. If they had, say, separated the beginning of the loop from the film, and used it as the beginning of a Trollhunter!Toby [Insert media type here] teaser/trailer, I have a feeling I'd be more happy with it. Also, why replace Anton's voicework for the audition speech? That I am truly upset with. The loop itself is actually quite intriguing, though.

All in all, I'm honestly pretty satisfied with the film. It was brutal, don't get me wrong, and for future reference I'd like to know how much it cost Netflix to get it a Y7 rating. That said, the parts that were done well were done VERY well. Im interested to see, when the series crops back up, what the true plan is moving forward, but until then my name is my bond. I make TOA headcanons, and that's exactly what I'm going to do. Thank you all for getting on this roller coaster, it was one hell of a ride and I hope we get to do it again soon 😁

[rikalovesrice]

Big Bro Douxie and Nari headcanons🤟🏻🌱

- When things get extra chaotic on the streets, Douxie holds Nari's hand

- She so smol though so sometimes he just does it anyway

- Nari's never really been to a huge city. She stares and gapes at everything in wonder.

- "Douxie, look at all the moving pictures!" Nari takes his hand and pulls him into Times Square

- PIGGYBACK RIDES

- Nari sitting on Douxie's shoulders so she can see something better (Archie's on her shoulders then. A tower of love)

- Douxie buys her clothes and whatever else she wants (rip his wallet lol)

- Nari's always been curious about makeup, she gets some lipstick and mascara. Douxie helps her put it on.

- Protectibe Douxie is just *chef's kiss*

- A boy tried to pull Nari's horns and she becomes self-conscious

- Douxie, with the scariest smile you've ever seen, "I wouldn't do that again if I were you, lad."

- Douxie teaches her some guitar. He ends up getting her a ukulele cause she thinke it's a baby guitar.

- Doux and Nari listen to music A LOT.

- *Heavy metal playing on Douxie's phone* Nari : "Your music has so much energy! Why are they screaming?"

- "Because they have something to scream about."

- Douxie plays and sings for Nari all the time. Nari's always up for a song from Douxie. She loves his voice and his beautiful playing.

- Not sure if Nari sleeps. If Doux and Archie are passed out on the couch, she'll either cuddle up or watch them fondly.

- She holds Douxie's hand and strokes his hair when he's having a nightmare (cause my poor boi definitely has them T_T)

- If Nari does sleep, she'll drift off in random places (ie. the kitchen table)

- Douxie carries her to bed and tucks her in with a forehead kiss

- Nari loves helping Douxie cook. He tried teaching her how to fry an egg and she burnt it to a crisp :'D

- A fight breaks out in a bar and there's a slew of profanities. Douxie covers Nari's ears

- Nari running to Douxie and calling his name when she's frightened

- One day when Nari's feeling down, Doux takes her to see a Broadway show

- Nari's overcome with awe and laughter

- "Can we see more? Many, many more??"

- *Douxie's wallet, gasping for air* "....Of course!"

- Doux and Nari leaning on each other, Archie in both their laps, watching whatever on TV. Lovely times.