#though i dont think love is easily attainable for jaime either tbh
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ilynpilled · 1 year ago
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i personally disagree. i think this is oversimplifying these characters a bit and reducing their complexity to a single line (as important as that line may be when it comes to characterization). i think all lannister siblings have a very complicated relationship to love. and while i do believe cersei prioritizes power, i dont take her at face value and believe she “doesnt care.” imo she is trying to emulate tywin’s dogma regarding love that she overheard him telling an 8 year old jaime, especially because she despises weakness/vulnerability within herself particularly strongly due to how she is perceived because of her gender. to me all three come off as desperate for love in some shape or form, be it from the self or from others (both more like), especially because of being denied it in important ways as a result of having tywin lannister as their parent, among other things.
Is jealousy-envy a common feature of all three Lannister siblings?
I don't think so. If we're talking deadly sins:
"And [Cersei] is greedy. Greedy for power, for honor, for love." Tyrion on Cersei, Tyrion VI, ADWD
The quote above there is as true of Tyrion as it is of Cersei. Who have far more in common with each other than either does with Jaime. Jaime, who could have any of these things if he put the slightest bit of effort into obtaining them, instead comes to realise it's a different sort of honour he craves - the knightly sort, not mere recognition. (Which is not mere at all to Cersei and Tyrion, who struggle to get shit because of assigned sex and disability respectively.)
All three Lannister siblings desperately want for things that money can't buy them. Other people have those things, but for each I think it's the wanting more than the "other people have it!" that defines them. So greed, not envy.
#i also agree with op re jaime and the kind of honor he actually truly seeks#though i dont think love is easily attainable for jaime either tbh#be it love from the self or genuine love from others#like ‘the things i do for love’ is a thesis for a reason imo#same with him asking genna ‘did u love him’#and the whole honor and glory played their parts but most of it had been for cersei (love)#and like there are many reasons the jc relationship exists cersei gets love out of that too#theres a reason she only enjoys it with jaime like its a desperate need for love from the self that can exist thru this twisted narcissistic#relationship#i also dont know if i can even isolate these concepts like cersei wants respect and power so she can love herself also#so i think the line very strongly applies to cersei and tyrion both#to clarify im not disagreeing with their deepest desire necessarily#tho with jaime i dont think being referred to as ghtj would actually make him happy without a true sense of internal honor to match#hence he is willing to use something like the trebuchet threat to ensure keeping an oath to a dead woman#an oath no one would know about (other than brienne) if he wasnt open about it#so ig i just view deepest desire as more complicated#and it being more about jaime being able to view himself in a certain way more so than others viewing him a certain way#idk ig i kinda interpret it as all three of them desiring love from the self the most and thinking they can only achieve it thru#>true power >true honor >true love from others
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