#this was me trying not to include ahbl

[vampirejohn]

Happy WW! :) what are your top 3 favorite wincest episodes?

ok pretending that this show ended at season 5 bc i just got to s6 in my rewatch—

2x09 croatoan: episode of all episodes. literally 1½ seasons in and we have dean refusing to live without sam. and he knows exactly how crazy it is, he knows. but his natural state is dying for and with sam

4x14 sex and violence: obvious choice but this is literally canon wincest and i will be on my deathbed thinking about kripke giving this to us

3x08 a very spn christmas: dean wanting to spend his last christmas being sappy with sam, sam being in so much pain that he prefers to pretend it isn’t happening……… makes me want to eat concrete

honorable mention—4x08 wishful thinking: if you put your incest hat on, this is an entire episode about sam and dean reconciling how badly they want each other with how badly they know it would fuck them up. absolutely delicious

[mlobsters]

supernatural s13x22 exodus (w. eugenie ross-leming, brad buckner)

well, mom gets a hug. that's something i guess. no time for extended you're-actually-alive-reunions with lucifer smarming around in the background.

this trying to be i dunno, spookyish discordant atmospheric music is not hitting for me. it just feels wildly out of sync with the tone of the scene. i wonder who made iiiit. oh look, it's jay gruska. i seriously don't look it up until i have a ~vibe~ and i'm vaguely impressed with my consistent reactions to the two composers. i'm pretty much never rockin with jay. sorry, my dude.

LUCIFER Don’t say he’s nothing like me. I’m the only one who understands him. This power he has? I’m powerful, dangerous, ruthless. In the...best sense, though. DEAN No. Kill him. LUCIFER (chuckles) He can’t. He’s not strong enough. GABRIEL Dean… DEAN (turns on Gabriel) You’ve got the blade. JACK (quietly) Stop it. DEAN He’s the devil. Kill him. JACK (shouting) Stop it!

in the land of not-a-show, this seems very reasonable. we have the means and opportunity to FINALLY fucking kill this guy, who has done unspeakably awful things to more than one person present. who they've been trying to take out for a long ass time. but, being that it's this show, yeah. of course it's not that simple. i think they had a general plan to kill him after they used him for the nexus excursion, yes? but them believing he'd still be captured and subdued until then was a bit of a stretch :p also, jack wasn't around for that convo and i suppose he might have some thoughts and feelings around cutting down bio dad right away

CAS In case your innate evil overwhelms this new found team spirit, you won’t mind wearing these then, will you. You’re not at full power. They should hold you.

LOL good one. is he not at full power because he was drained, juiced up, then used some of that juice to resurrect sam? (was also thinking about how like, cas stole someone's grace at one point. a bad someone, right? is it that different? why didn't gabriel just go that route? not actually socially acceptable? whatever. we needed to include lucifer)

jfc nic shut up

thank you, everyone, for that long ass hug. i'm not crying, no, i'm fine

i know the wiki has hugs and lengths (which amuses me to no end), i wouldn't be surprised if that was one of the longer ones. ahbl 29 seconds i think is an outlier being that sam is dead through most of it 😞 what a statement. excluding ahbl pt 1, top 3! lol

other thing he did, which he does regularly? when he's affectionate, that turn to the side like he's checking who's around or avoiding eye contact while he got a little mushy.

he does it before hugging a lot too, like the avoiding eye contact and pulling someone in. definitely with charlie, not sure actually who all he does it with, if everyone at one point or another? anyway. he doesn't instigate a ton of hugs. i'm not under the influence, i swear, i'm just extra... *waves hands*

jack having a little montage o'guilt with xfiles sounds rapid fire (they use it periodically now but i don't recall so many of them in one scene like this. i had to search for "shoe" on the wiki because my blog search is perpetually fucked and all i could remember of the scene was sam finding a shoe lol)

so like, the solution is all the au people come back with her through the nexus, right? so this is a moot conversation? but. dean's reaction to her "i know what you went through to come find me" was so right. like, understatement of the century and in fact i DON'T think you know what they did. and (show logic aside) sam died and only isn't still dead due to a fluke/luck.

interesting to see the production draft script has her saying sorry and that she's grateful, which didn't make it to screen

granted, i think they were doing the getting back to the nexus project for jack too, and i imagine they would have made the same efforts and paid the same prices. but anyway. feels like dean is always waiting for the other shoe to drop with mary, reinforced with her needing space business before, so understandably he's immediately reacting defensively and maybe a little childishly (do they need-need mary? probably not. but it's also reasonable and understandable to want your almost entirely absent mother [which she had no control over] once you got her back)

another thing i like about pellegrino's lucifer, the hair! it just is almost always unkempt in not a cool way, more the disaster been sleeping on it weird way. which my hair also is often in some degree of.

DEAN We have been mopping up the world for years. Years. We have been knocked down. We have been possessed. We’ve lost friends. We’ve lost family. We’ve lost each other. And we never walk away, ever. And sometimes, we should’ve, because not every fight everywhere can be won. It just can’t. Right? (turning to Sam) Tell her.

never (permanently) walk away. ignoring the nonsensical amelia aberration? 🤪 i don't really understand dean's logic. we never walk away, but sometimes we should have, so mary should walk away? doesn't seem like the best sell

SAM I think Mom made up her mind. DEAN See? Wait. What? SAM Mom doesn’t want to leave these people. So let’s take ‘em with us. MARY They’ll never leave their home. They’ll never leave their cause. SAM I’m not saying abandon the fight. I’m saying we get them somewhere safe, then we all figure out a way to take down Michael. Then once we do, they can come back and save their world. MARY You’d do that for them? DEAN Well, we got...what, nine busting out? What’s a few more. How many are we talking? MARY Twenty-five.

(don't know what that 9 number is referring to either, oh right, charlie and ketch? lol) sammy's plan seems very. pie in the sky and not something these other world people would necessary go for but mary's down so sure why not

LUCIFER Well, I mean, yes, I have done things that I am not entirely proud of. I have led the occasional soul to ruin. This is true. But, Jack, it’s because humans are so messed up. They’re -- they’re so willing to be led. JACK My mother was human. LUCIFER Awesome lady. Incorruptible. Not like that. You know, great kisser. And, uh, lost my virginity to her.

pointing to my very disgruntled thoughts about this in 12x08. we're going to regularly make allusions to lucifer raping sam via hallucifer and i think also when sam was stuck with him in 11x09 before cas sprung luci but then lucifer in the president vessel supposedly had never had sex. ok. i prefer to believe that rape isn't part of the torture package, but they make it real hard sometimes. but the show is gonna tell us that was the first time lucifer had sex. being generous and dumb, maybe he believes in the rehymenation like dean. or some particulars of being in a human vessel. as opposed to whatever it is exactly getting tortured in hell. soul in vessel-ish shape? because it wasn't dean's shiny glowing light of a soul on the rack, it was his person. i've been thinking about this off and on since we knew generally what a soul was supposed to look like

jack interviewing lucifer, the quote unquote father of lies, to whatever, determine if he wants to have anything to do with him? well. how could this go wrong?

DEAN I told you no talking! And I told you no listening. JACK Dean, he’s in chains. DEAN His mouth isn’t. Shoulda gagged him. JACK No, I need to know about my powers, my family. CAS Jack, we are your family. We’ve been protecting you. We’ve been honoring your mother’s wishes. We’re your family. SAM Jack, you have no idea who Lucifer really is. JACK And I never will unless I talk to him.

like yes obviously, going this route is going to make anyone shut down and not listen to what you have to say (acting like john winchester basically), especially someone who is framed as being a kid. HOWEVER! couldn't we just say that lucifer spent a year which is equivalent to whatever in dog hell years torturing sam. our sam, that's standing right there. your sam, who you're including as a father figure.

MARY (amused) Jack isn’t going to the dark side. He’ll see Lucifer’s true nature. And he’ll see through his own eyes and not yours.

like she's trying to impart some parenting wisdom - which this is surely applicable to regular real life parenting! but i don't think it's applicable to the situation at hand. being that the grown ass adults with a lot of life experience and big bad demons etc etc have been fooled by lucifer time and time again. at least he should be aware of the actual harm lucifer has done to everyone present that they've personally experienced. and maybe he does know? i'm thinking WAY TOO MUCH ABOUT THIS. for this half baked plot shit.

lucifer cutting off gabriel from telling him about the (oops not actual) murdering of himself would indicate to me he doesn't know so, yeah. whatever man. i gotta fucking finish this episode! i started yesterday but just yammered on too much and then it was midnight.

BOBBY Now about that. Mary said you wanna take a bunch of our people back to this Other Earth? DEAN Yeah. Yeah, that’s the idea. BOBBY Well, no offense, but that may be the dumbest friggin’ idea in a landfill of dumb ideas.

say it, bobby

sam's gonna give a rousing speech to get the people to come around though, right. and now ketch and charlie get to be tortured. so both ketch and rowena are all about the redemption arc life

i'm real tired of this episode lol.

GABRIEL Dad saw that your evil was like the first few cells of cancer...that it would spread like the disease unless He cut it out. That is why He locked you up, to stop the cancer. But it was too late then. And guess what? It’s too late for you now.

excuse me what. he's crying? what even

great, au!cas misha doing another accent. as a... nazi? seriously checked out at this point

sure. like that whole wound tending thing the first time they were there. weird vibes man, are we supposed to ship it

AW-CASTIEL Don’t think that you are better than me. Well, we are the same. CAS Yes. We are.

cathartic

this like. militaryish music as they ride off in the bus is.... oof. not great. ditto for the music with this goofy fucking jumping through the nexus proceedings

and now gabriel's gonna get into a knife fight with this basically impossible to win against michael, good idea. and sam and dean are just gonna hang back and watch him die

well, at least sam got to trap lucifer there with michael? 🤷 surely that won't go bad!

gives me the heebiejeebies all those people in there

CAS What about Lucifer? DEAN Sam handled it.

heaven forbid we actually kill him. wonder how they're gonna have jack react to this

and hey last minute mushy music during the toast by bobby to sam and dean. welcome to the family. mhm

and of course lucifer immediately plotting with michael

[not-a-perfect-metaphor]

J2-isms

-oh, you know by now...husbands husbanding (I needed to lighten things up a bit on here):

Jensen (on directing, and about Jared): “I love telling him what to do!”

Hehe, is it obvious yet how much I enjoy director-Jensen? And no I don’t just mean in a directing-episodes way. (clearly) 😏

Also, that reminds me of:

Jared: “I love working with Jensen as a director, because he tells me what to do even when he’s not directing!”

Jared: “It’s nice to get back into Jensen’s very capable hands.”

^ mmhm I bet it is.

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Jensen (about Jared): “It takes a lot to keep that body going!”

^ with your capable hands, I think you’ve got it covered!

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Jensen: “You know what they say about guys with long torsos, don’t you?”

And allow me to remind you:

Jensen (about Jared): “It’s his torso that’s oddly long.”

Jared: “And something else...”

Jensen: *nods*

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Jared: “-girlfriend, boyfriend, listen love is love.”

Another wonderful Dallas-ism that hasn’t gotten a mention yet!

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Jensen: “Uh, you know there’s...uh, there’s many things that I would, uh, tell you about him...that I think are qualities we all strive to achieve, uh...I will pick one, and that is his ability to liven and lighten and make a room better.”

^ I should have included this in my Jensen’s-‘the one’ post!!

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Jared: “That was my love song to you!”

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Umm, Jensen being all of us and calling Jared an “energetic, 6’4” puppy.”

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Jensen (to Jared): “Want me to lick your face?”

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Jared (to Jensen, Twitter): “I hope you’re enjoying your vacation! I’ll be here with nothing to warm me up other than my ice coffee.”

^ my only take-away from that is that if Jensen HAD been there, he’d have been the thing warming Jared up.

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Jensen: “I think the audience feels how much Jared and I like being together.”

^ super hinty, and yes! We DEFINITELY do!

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Jensen moving his chair and Jared being like “where’d you go?” and Jensen immediately moving closer again. (AHBL 10)

^ codependent hubbies!

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Jared (rubbing Jensen): “There’s Jenson on me.”

^ I don’t know what that means, but I know it sounds dirty. And I know I enjoy it.

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Jensen (on the bar fight from the super early days when J2 were still just ‘Jensen’ and ‘Jared,’ to us at least...clearly not to them): “I got away first, and then I turned around and then I saw 3 or 4 guys teaming up on Jared. I ran back in and I was fly-kicking some kid, hit another guy, grabbed Jared’s shirt...of course I ripped his favorite shirt, and I was yelling ‘come on, let’s get out of here!’”

^ by the way, my theory about this (since what little they have shared about the specifics has always been super full of inconsistencies) is that they were on a date and despite probably trying to not draw attention to that fact were noticed by some homophobic drunk guys and targeted. Because despite how blatantly couple-y they may seem nowadays, remember how they were back then??? (like x1000)

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^ mmmm, does he, now? Do tell.

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Jared: “I can’t get my tie off on set. I’m going ‘help me, Jensen! Help!’”

And then remember:

Jensen: “So here I am tying his tie in the back seat.”

And awwww, this:

[santamadredidios]

Season 12 Finale and Season 13 Spec Part 2

As I've mentioned previously, I'm quite sure Lucifer and/or the baby are not going to make it to season 13, and here's why. First of all, there's the cosmic consequences Cas has to expect from killing Billie and breaking Sam and Dean's deal with her. Some people, including me, have been wondering whether the writers just forgot about them since there has been no mention whatsoever of them since 12x10. My theory is, and I am very sure of this, they haven't, because that would be highly inconsistent with the entire series. They are just waiting to slam them in our face when we're least expecting (and thinking they've forgotten, we will have forgotten as well). So my guess is, this will be the cliffhanger before season 13, and as Dabb stated we can expect a "more traditional Supernatural finale", it's going to be heartbreaking and painful and a horribly long hiatus. What plays into this is Dabb's comment on "opening up new worlds" - sounds pretty cosmic to me. Also Jensen mentioned at AHBL that there was something "purgatory-esque" coming up, which is probably referring to the very same thing. Given the context in which he said this (he previously talked about Purgatory!Dean), I guess we can expect Dean and someone else to maybe be cast into another dimension of some kind. Another option for this "purgatory-esque" thing would be the Leviathans getting out, but given the context I'd say this is rather unlikely that something similar to this happens. What would also be possible to be meant by this is the Destiel side of purgatory (because let's face it, that's quite a big part of Purgatory!Dean: "where's the angel?!"), but I try not to get my hopes up high on this one. So, what has all this to do with the baby? Neither Lucifer nor the baby really play into this, so what I'm guessing is that we can essentially expect something like the season 7 finale: big evil is defeated (Dick Roman - Lucifer/his son), and then Cas and Dean are cast into purgatory, and based on what I wrote before we might actually see something like that. But again, I'm not saying the baby is evil; I think he's neutral, and what I hope for is that his grace will be extracted successfully and he'll live happily without accidentally destroying the universe because he's so powerful, or messing with our favourite angel's head. This leads me back to Cas, because I don't think I mentioned this in my previous post. Misha is a truly incredible actor, and to me it was obvious that he was not playing Cas in that final scene of 12x19. It might have been Castiel, the one we met in season 4, as @amwritingmeta and @tinkdw said, but I have to say I'm not sure about this, and I also don't think this change will be permanent (or maybe that's just me hoping it won't :D). What I expect/hope for is something similar to the famous crypt scene in 8x17, and Cas getting back to his old self, the one Dean fell in love with. We still don't know what happened and what's really going on with him, but whatever it is, I don't like it and it's scaring me, because it wasn't the Cas we know and love, who's truly a Winchester and not a fearsome warrior of God (or the nephibaby). As a lovely person stated, Dean is now who the viewers take from what's going on with Cas, and when Dean says that something's wrong with Cas, that he didn't recognize the guy staring back at him, I'll go with it, because I think Dean knows Cas well enough to be able to judge this right. Another thing that has often been mentioned in this contexct is Cas looking for something to have faith in. This has been a recurring theme for several seasons now, and after Cas started out in 12x19 just as lost and faithless as before, to me it seems like a bad sign that his faith in the nephibaby evolved so quickly, within seconds. After so many seasons spent looking for faith, this cannot be a good kind of faith. That's also why I prefer to roll with the mind-control/manipulation/brainwash theory, because it was just too quick. Thank you for reading all this, I appreciate it! Again, just speculation and my own personal point of view on things. I'm stoked for all three remaining episodes of the season.

[phoenix1966sbottom]

Hello! do you any fics where one of the boys has wings?

On the Way Down by BewareTheIdes15 on Ao3. Sam/Dean. Wincest. The Winchesters have been subjected to a lot of things in the name of hunting, but the result of a spell-gone-wrong on their latest case is still pretty high on Dean’s weird scale. While their father is out searching for a way to undo the magic, Dean’s stuck in a cabin in the middle of nowhere, trying to deal with his bitchy teenage brother and his own increasingly un-brotherly feelings toward him. Who’d have thought Sammy growing a pair of giant bird wings would be the least of his problems?

To Rise We Must Fall by innerglow on Ao3. Sam/Dean. Wincest. Sam wants to find Dean after he goes missing from his bedroom post 9x23. But when Sam does find his Brother, Dean is not as he used to be. Sam wants to fix Dean, but Dean proposes a different idea. (it has been a while since I read this, but I don’t think there is any penetrative sex) 

Jensen’s Angel by anon on LiveJournal. Jared/Jensen. J2 AU. Angel!Jared being kidnapped and kept in cage by group demons. One of them is Jensen, he’s fascinated by beautiful and terrified winged creature…

Winged!Jared Verse by pianoforeplay on Ao3. Jared/Jensen. J2 AU. In which Jared sprouts wings and Jensen is intrigued.(no penetrative sex)

Consoler of the Lonely by dizbil on Ao3. Jared/Jensen. J2 AU. In a society where angels are assigned to young humans and raised to look after them, Jensen is an eight year old who still hasn’t picked his angel. He is uncomfortable with the idea of owning someone, no need to mention he would have to separate another kid from his family. That was until the day his parents carried him to the adoption center and Jensen saw him, little and scared, so goofy, his name was Jared. He only had one wing and was sure nobody would pick him. (warning: at the very end, Jensen asks Jared to top him, but it does not happen during the story)

In Fine Feather by naktas_cat on Ao3. Jared/Jensen. J2 AU. When Jared changes into his priorly unknown wereform for the very first time, he is convinced that all his dreams for the future have just been dashed to the ground. He’s proven wrong.(no penetrative sex)

When You Came Out of the Dark by jackles67 on Ao3. Jared/Jensen. J2 AU. Jensen doesn’t really know why he told the guy who’d been basically harassing him that he’d go out with him. And now they’re at the opening night for some circus freak show that the guy seems to think qualifies as a proper date location. Jensen’s just itching to leave until they enter a room where the ‘freak’ on display is a winged man, beaten and bruised. Jensen can’t seem to get the man out of his head.(no penetrative sex)

Winging It by lejf on Ao3. Sam/Dean. Wincest. Dean’s not sure how they got from Sam being speared by a harpy to Dean coming all over Sam’s wings, but hell, he’s not complaining.

Grey Like Stormy Skies by brokenlittleboy on Ao3. Sam/Dean. Wincest. Sam wakes up one day with a dull pain in his shoulder blades and it all goes downhill from there. When things come to a head, though, Dean’s there to take care of him, in more ways than one.(no penetrative sex)

Unruffled by Nutkin on Ao3. Sam/Dean. Wincest. Sam starts growing wings, and Dean really likes them.

Supernal by dreamlittleyo on Ao3. Sam/Dean. Wincest. Even knowing he was special, there were a lot of things Sam never expected his destiny to include. An impressive wingspan used to be on that list.(no penetrative sex)

If My Wings Should Fail Me by grammarglamour on Ao3. Sam/Dean. Wincest. Sam accidentally wishes himself into a set of wings.

Winged!Jared Series by zubeneschamali on LiveJournal. Jared/Jensen. J2 AU.  Even in a world where extraordinary mutations are increasingly common, being born with wings makes it difficult to lead anything like an ordinary life. When Jared uses his extraordinariness to save Jensen’s life, he changes both of their lives irrevocably. (nothing explicit beyond mutual masturbation, but avoid the last, full length story, Darkest Before the Dawn, as that is top!Jared only)

How Far I’ll Go by jasmineisland on Ao3. Sam/Dean. Wincest. This story is finished even though it is not marked as such on Ao3. Sam is desperate to save his demonic brother and will do anything to do it. But Dean doesn’t want to be saved, he likes being a demon and fights Sam evey step of the way. When he breaks free and attacks Sam, the younger Winchester is forced to fight his own dark side in order to save them both. The result leave Sam changed beyond anything either Winchester has ever seen before and help comes from an unlikely source to help save him.(no penetrative sex and it is not clear if their past relationship had any switching)

No Angel by zionsstarfish on LiveJournal. Sam/Dean Wincest. Sam gets cursed; Dean gets a lot of cardiovascular exercise. (no penetrative sex)

Landslide by setissma on LiveJournal. Sam/Dean. Wincest. Uh. Sam gets cursed, Sam and Dean have a lack of knowledge of basic avian anatomy, and there’s one pissed off demon and some hot makeup sex. Spoilers through AHBL, but this isn’t really compliant with S3. (no penetrative sex)

A Small Price to Pay by hunters_retreat on Ao3. Sam/dean. WIncest. Samuel was an angel who should never have been.  He was supposed to become the Morningstar and fight at the end of days against his brother, Michael to determine the fate of all humanity.  What happens though when a child changes that fate?  When Sam makes a choice to save his brother from the life he should have lived, everything is different.