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AFTER A WEEK I SHALL POST SOMETHING IVE BEEN WAITING TO POST FOR LITERAL MONTHS !!
#crow talks#tis a poll for somethign important!#(not rlly)#(he just wants to make sure that when people see him insane they know the cause was kind of them)#i rlly like asking permission before doing stuff im sorry--#unless im so abnormal abt it i just dont care#this one i rlly want to be discussed w the fandom tho#(probably obvious which one)#bc of how.... this genre of anime is like not many people pay attention to how things are framed and such (unless ur mygo)#and these scenes in particular are important! it makes sense to want to see why certain shots are used#im not very good at explaining why shots and camera work is used like a professional but i think i can get a few points across!#what photography watching rgu and rev.star does this to someone (pay too much attention to framing and camera work in different art forms)
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I respect that you have concerns about possible homophobia behind criticism of Scott, but your post about it used some inaccurate information.
Grian cheating is actually a recurring plot point in many desert duo fanfics. It isn't ignored. The difference is that when discussing the CCs, Grian's cheating was actually a result of wanting to switch up his content (Double Life happened after a post on the Hermitcraft subreddit where Grian was criticized for always grouping up with Scar and Mumbo), while behavior towards Jimmy often doesn't have as clear of an OOC reason for it.
Furthermore, Scott isn't the only one who gets flack for how he treats Jimmy - to use a recent example, people had major issues with Sausage's behavior towards Jimmy in Minecraft SOS. To use an older example, Jimmy had to reassure chat in one of his Raft streams that he was okay with how Grian, Joel, and fWhip (all married to women) were treating him, and even repeated that reassurance when he cut it down into a shorter video.
It's also important to note that Scott isn't the only LGBTQ content creator in the MCYT sphere. Joey Graceffa is gay; Lizzie, Gem, and Cleo are bi; Shubble is ace. You also make assumptions in your post that Pearl is straight, which we don't know for sure, as she's private about her personal life. While she has a boyfriend (at least I'm pretty sure he's a boyfriend), she often refers to him as a roommate instead of a boyfriend, and she could very well be bi/pan or ace. We don't know, and assuming people are straight as default can cause issues.
i kkmow scott isnt the only queer one brother ive been into mcyt since i was 10 i dont need u to explain to me who is and isnt queer im an og lizzie fan😭
firslty man saying that grian thing is. stupid. im sorry. no, saying there is a reason grajn as the person didnt wanna group up w scar so his character cheating makes sense yet scott who explained why he didnt wanna team up w pearl and instead went w cleo but u claim there was no real reason to do that even tho rp reasons is just as fine of a reason is just. strange. ike even if scott did it just bc he wanted to for no other reason than teasing jimmy that doesnt justifiy making him out to be an abuser or making posts anaylizing how he makes jimmy uncomfortable/is weird to jimmy specifically which ive Seen Multiple. scott and jimmy have always had a bit of a rivalryand its just fucking weisd ppl make out scotts teasing as inherently toxic yet say nothing about grian or joels teasing
also ive never seen grian vilinized or made scars abuser if this is a common hc its not one ive seen, just unpacking the cheating is not the same thing as making grian scars abuser or making him clearly seen as negative all portrayls Ive Personally seen paint grian in a sympathetic light and the fandom as a whole does that in general w bad actions grian does. pretending its of a similar caliber is just strange considering how blorbofied grian is and how ppl r convinced scott is literally maliciouly trying to hurt jimmy In Real Life like dude be so fucking fr rn
ill admit i dont watch sos nor raft streams but im calling out ppl who r calling scott specifically abusive and ive literally never seen anyone as vilinized as scott in fics i can think off the top of my head 3 fics ive seen where scott is the vilian and portrayed as jimmys abuser which is NOT true for anyone u mentioned. if u havent seen this i understand u might think jimmy expressing boundaries about his friends is the same thing which is a valid point to bring up but im specifically pointing out how it is normalized tto have scott specifically be an abuser or cruel villian which is NOT the same as fans expressing concern over if some ppl r going too far w the bit. thats fine genuinely
ur right i did assume about pearl i shouldn't have i dont rlly watch her thats also on me but also doesn't take away the point i was saying. literally her being bi aroace or even a lesbian does not take away the point i made about reducing her character to the violent female hysteria but also tragic victim of scott. as an agender aroace lesbain...buddy i know straight aint the default. when i talk about misogyny and homophobia the point is the misogyny and homophobia. im sorry i called someone who hasnt come out at all yet straight i dont assume someone is queer until proven otherwise bc thats just weird to assume. i just literally never saw pearl included in queer mcyt creator talks ever but assuming she isnt straight doesnt change literally anything about the mysongy or weird homophobua that only scott is portrayed in a negative light for actions he does in double life
#me: guys its kinda homophobic to hc the gay guy is a villian and an abuser to his striaght friend bc u think the staight friend is uncomy#anon: hey erm other queer mcyters exsit!#dude i know that doesnt mean shit. dont assume i dont know just bc i didnt say it in the post lmao#life series#ima need a tag for this soon if i get another ask oh boyyyy#scott smajor#grian#anon#I FORGOT TO TAG THE OTHER ANON OOPS
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If we ever do talk about any of those things it’s never in a negative aspect until it’s homophobia. Whenever her sexuality and love life are brought up it’s constantly through people asking through the ask box always asking about people tish has interacted with in the past lwhen we’ve moved on. Or anons just randomly coming in peoples ask box saying that she’s straight and they always say that at times when we’re admiring her . so no one rarely talks about it till it’s brought up by anons. I mean Billie eilish stans talk the same things about Billie unprovoked might I add . We talk about it when it’s brought up
but there's a lot of nuance with what negative is esp when u relate it to the context we're discussing it in, with so many perspectives and opinions, negativity is relative so u cant rlly say its never negative. u could meant for it not to be negative but it could be received as negative (not rlly ur responsibility tho ig).
n the asks, look, i cant speak for anyone but myself n ppl who may share the same views w me but whats the point of tagging repetitive asks that u urself dont even want to answer for everyone to see under tags that we all browse ? thats my point, is why do these blog specific asks have to now become everyones content esp when its being dismissed by the responder too ?
n one of the only reasons (most of the time) these asks r constantly sent is bc of engagement, again im not policing what u do w ur asks but if someone says some shit about tishs sexuality in ur asks n u respond "im not answering these anymore" but a min later ur respong to another saying the same thing w "i already said im not responding to these" n on top of that u tag them ? ppl r gonna get annoyed, this isnt twt we cant just mute shit so now we're seeing those every single day ?? like sure answer those asks all u want dude idc but to make it everyones content ?
n the billie thing, idk i cant rlly comment bc i've never been in her fandom but from an outside perspective im sure ppl discuss billies sexuality bc she put it out there that she was straight n then does vv not straight shit or wtv idk the semantics but even then it doesnt seem like its to the extent that its discussed w letitia but idk again i cant say for sure 🦦
but idk dude at the end of the day ppl should do what they want
#the homophobia is an excellent point bc why tag homophobic asks ???#ig u could say my main point is to consciously tag#sere speaking#pinkwrights back
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god the patronizing hand wringing i've read worrying that if izzy is 'redeemed' in season 2 then all the haters will turn on the show and accuse it of changing its plans to pander to izzy's fandom favoritism. and like, no, probably not! if the writers decide to go in a direction where izzy starts to do better and heals, i currently trust the writer's room to figure out a way to do it that serves the narrative in a satisfying way. idk what could be the catalyst for that kind of growth and change, but i couldn't have predicted most of season 1 so i'll let the big brains on the show figure out if that's something that could work.
i'm more worried about The Discourse if he doesn't get that. certain izzy stans have so wildly reinterpreted the show to make him into who they want him to be, someone's bound to feel betrayed if he continues to be a villain. like i look at the way people complained about infinity train season 3's villain arc for simon, who was imo more sympathetic than izzy, but was given every opportunity to be better and instead doubled down every time until it killed him. so much blame was heaped on grace, who started out in the same place as him, but did put in the work to start doing better, for not trying harder to help him. (how shocking that the black girl who was having a rough enough go at having her own worldviews shattered and confronting and recognizing harm that she'd caused that couldn't be undone was criticized by fans for not also correctly managing the feelings of an angry white boy who decided that any change in opinion was a betrayal to him.)
all that is to say, are izzy stans going to be okay if their guy isn't given the redemption, or in some cases, the hero's vindication they think he deserves? or are they going to blame other characters for not trying hard enough to help him find a way to do better?
i mean, there probably WILL be some people complaining if izzy gets redeemed. i know i take a very firm izzy-critical stance and have gotten into a few arguments w izzy fans about it, but in a fandom this big there are people who are unhinged in all sorts of ways. i dont doubt that SOMEONE out there will get real pissed at the writers if izzy gets a redemption
i am torn tho whether i want an izzy redemption or not. for story purposes ive talked before abt why i think a bad ending for izzy would be interesting to see from a STORY perspective (and also a personal taste perspective), but like you said, if any writers' room could do an izzy redemption arc justice, it's this one. if i think there's something to criticize in ofmd i will criticize it (i have an entire tag for it), but im not gonna like. harass the writers just bc they didnt kill off my least favorite character. nobody with any braincells would do that.
the thing is tho. while i have no problem with an izzy redemption arc as long as it's well-written, i AM kind of terrified of izzy apologists to having MORE reason to interpret izzy as a poor innocent victim. not that i think the writers would actually portray him like that, but if we're given any actual in-text reasons to sympathize with izzy (instead of subtext and headcanon) you KNOW there's gonna be a huge chunk of izzy fans who will be INSUFFERABLE about it
but then youre right, if izzy doesn't get redeemed there's gonna be SO MUCH SHIT. the people who interpret ed as izzy's abuser (🤢) are already gonna have a hard time when ed ends up in a happy relationship with stede (honestly, what fucking show do they think they're watching?), i dont want to even think abt the discourse that'll happen if izzy isn't redeemed. i was only ever in the periphery of the infinity train fandom, but from what ive heard, the discourse was truly horrific
(also tho it's so funny that u mention infinity train bc i brought up simon in the tags of BOTH of those posts i linked above and then i got an anon rlly coming to simon's defense. i didnt rlly get that deep into the discussion w them bc i dont remember a lot of the specific details of infinity train and please nobody send me anons telling me more things abt what happens in infinity train i dont want to talk abt infinity train but i do agree w ur opinion lmao. simon infinitytrain is a crusty-ass white boy who do i feel very bad for but his story was very well-written. grace infinitytrain my beloved <3<3<3)
#ofmd#izzy critical#ofmd fandom crit#mine#ask#anon#txt#infinity train#izzy hands#if this post is in the izcourse tag no it isnt u just dont know how to use tumblr#og#s2 predictions
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HELLO I AM VERY AWAKE. hello mx mackintosh apple. would u happen to have any spare cwilbur heart player propaganda. (what class would he be do u thiink. ;-;) or like anything else for that matter. karkat woobification. ghostbur discussion. cool ass sea creatures. this is another free coupon for u. also all my friends r asleep rn too LMAO so..... <33 🤝
ohhhh my god hi ros hiiii don't even get my STARTED on cwilbur heart player propaganda this post will b like. 20 miles long.
His class is !!!!! very tricky I think. I haven't nailed down a solid one yet. for a while I was pretty solid on him being a Bard but like... now that I've been rereading hs and looking at the wikis more im not sure if that fits as well as I want it toooooo... idk!! BUT. heart player momence. Holy shit. I feel so so so so strong abt this. You've seen the beginnings of the shit w dirks "splinters" now and. That is a big heart player thing I think.
I will FOREVER be sad that we never got to see enough of nepeta or meulin to get as good of a read on their relationships to being a heart player so like. we only rlly have a destroyer class to go on??? but like. imo. being a heart player is HEAVILY reliant on figuring out. the self. and identity. And like. w cwilbur,,, collectively as a fandom we have unintentionally split him up into his own splinters. we've got lmanbur. we've got pogtopia era. we've got GHOSTBUR. and now we have revivebur. And like. Even tho they're all the Same Guy, sometimes they're all treated as different characters. president of lmanburg wilbur is NOT the same guy as. say. revivebur. and don't even get me STARTED on how c!wilbur talks about ghostbur. AND how ghostbur talked abt him . Each of them saw themselves as separate from the other, even though... like... technically they're the same fuckign person. and that is SUCH a heart player thing we LITERALLY saw almost that exact conversation between Dirk and AR. "you and I are the same" "stop saying that." GOD. It's so fucking good ok. ok. I could write an entire fuckign essay abt c!wilburs relationship to his own identity. he even does it HIMSELF in canon. I don't have any of my quotes abt this saved but I know I have them somewhere and if I remember to tomorrow I'll try 2 find some.
AS FOR THE OTHER STUFFF. I feel like this post might b getting a lil Too Long ™ but if u have any specific fun sea monsters 2 ask me abt I would love 2 talk abt those too hehehe. karkat is just so.... he is so ... u haven't even gotten to the best karkat moments yet... man... I love him sommuch. he goes thru such good character development... actually.. I was joking when I said ctommy is a karkat kinnie irt being a knight of blood but like... they r kinda similar sometimes. rude loud annoying kid w a rlly rlly good heart. their love for unlovable things. their tendency to ramble abt random shit forever and word things in such Specific Ways. yeah...
#when aster n i were talking dsmp classpects like. a year ago right. she brought up wilbur being a bard of hope#which liek!!!!!! that fits rlly well i think!!!#but classpect isnt just abt . the actions a character takes. like thats a part of it but.#it like. totally embodies them . and i think character wise heart fits him SOOO much better than hope.#just gotta! figure out a solid class. yknow !#((also im biased. shhhhh. we dont have 2 talk abt that))#this is 100% me projecting but like. karkat could also fit as a heart player what with his#tendency to talk to different versions of himself and fight w himself n learn from himself via the memos.#but like. thats just me being biased he is SOOO much better as a blood player.#oughghh i could talk abt classpects for SO long.#actually wait. now that im thinkin abt it#one of the features of a bard is that. they kinda. suppress their aspect in themselves at first#and then later use it to lash out and cause destruction w it in either themselves or others#so. maybe it does work. idk !! Fucking goofy stupid clown outfit tho. Sigh#anyway anyway. hiiii ros how is ur night going. holds ur hand. we r so awake#ghostbur is another one of those things that i WILL talk abt forever and ever and ever and ever bc i love him so much#i love him... so so so so dearly#anf also cwilbur. punches his arm affectionately. fuckin loser heart player#<< is also a fuckin loser heart player#friends!!!#asks#numberstati0n#thabk u for sending me this i owe u my life bc i just spent like#20 minutes talking abt cwilbur instead of going into tags that will only make me upset#u r a livesaver n i love u for that#i will draw u things tomorrow. hopefully :] no promises but the thought is ABSOLUTELY in my mind rn
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something that really grinds my gears is when ppl pick and choose what si’s to condemn tho. like obviously there’s a hierarchy of harm on a large scale, w/ hp being rlly high up due to rowlings influence. but they’ll be talking about that while consuming lovecraft (whose antiblackness and antisemitism we can’t ignore just bc his works are public domain), jjba, star wars etc. and barring something huge like hp everyone is going to have different standards for what they can consume critically.
like i’ve watched white ppl harass black ppl for liking garnet from su bc THEY thought she was an antiblack stereotype + there are some black ppl who feel she is, it isnt a white person’s place to condemn black women who do like her. same w connie and going after desi ppl etc. like white ppl go out of their way to harass autistic poc who like media that other poc have issues with. how many times do we have to say we aren’t a monolith. nothing is above criticism but theyre outta pocket.
Yeah that's understandably really frustrating and I agree that the way a lot of media discourse goes is just bizarre given the double standards like most people don't want to accept that yeah at some point they're going to get attached to media that has problematic things in it.
Personally, the way I look at it is the harm done by the media needs to be measurable for a full boycott to be necessary. Like, with stuff like HP giving jkr and affiliated people money or free advertizing via fandom does measurable harm that's going straight to transmisogynist groups and efforts and in addition to that hp fans claim to be critical about said media but they only ever seem to do that about the transmisogyny and not the plethora of other issues within the text itself. Like, truly, deeply I don't care if someone still enjoys aspects of hp like certain characters or the different houses or whatever like so long as the aspects of it they enjoy aren't the blatant bigotry and they aren't giving it PR I am not going to care that's not what's doing the measurable harm.
With stuff like SU I honestly don't even think it's an issue for someone to post about it or enjoy it so long as they're willing to acknowledge that there's a lot of legitimately fucked up stuff in it (and of course, like you said, people of color almost certainly are fully aware of the negative aspects considering it literally targets them) and in the end it completely failed in the messages it ultimately wanted to send by adding in fascist propaganda. Like, personally, I'm always going to have a soft spot for the parts of it that resonated with me and that weren't particularly harmful and I also think it's okay to point out the places that it did succeed and resonate with people the same way that people do, like you said, with stuff like Star Wars which is just as heavy with its flaws (and marketed towards impressionable children the same way)
I also think we can really blame fandom culture for a lot of this issue just because the standard for enjoying something has changed so much like there is in fact a difference between "I enjoy this thing and sometimes I talk about it" and "I'm in the fandom, giving it pr, recommending it, and pouring money into it. This is my hobby." Like not that the latter is bad inherently but I really do wish people would like see the separation there.
And then one last thing I think is important, especially with children's media that is going to inevitably be a part of actual children's lives is that we learn to actually discuss a media for both its flaws and its successes because I really don't think your average like 10 year old is going to understand giving something up completely without even fully understanding what issues people have with it it's much better, in my opinion, to be able to seize on a cultural moment and use it for discussion than the way a lot of people just instantly condemn things. Like Idk we can have nuance once in a while...as a treat.
#ask to tag#media cw#it's also so wild the way ppl assume ur a fan of something#like I have not properly engaged with S/U in like 2 years bc I got understandably uncomfortable with the direction it was going in lmao#but I still ocassionally get anons assuming I'm still a fan of it because I occasionally bring it up as being a show that exists lmfao#also small caveat for that last point that 'this should be used in discussion when applicable' does NOT mean#''it's marginalized people's job to educate everyone'' cause that's obviously a horrible take
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mido, i would like to uhh ask for our thots on something - lemme preface this ask first by saying that this is more of a "me" problem, than it is the other party, but, here goes: if there's one thing that i've learned since consuming danmei, it's that you have two very different approaches to it re: fandom. on the one hand, you have the camp of ppl who like to go all out and wild w/ canon, do whatever, enjoy however, and on the other, ppl who try to stick closely to canon, or - 1/?
- those who don't even engage in fandom at all, and are just there to discuss the text as it is. there's nothing wrong with both approaches - we're all just here to have a good time. that being said, it kind of is giving me ??? doubt as to whether or not i'm enjoying fandom the right way. ofc there's no wrong or right way to enjoy a piece of media, and i like to think that this sin't an anne rice situation at all, but - i see ppl say fanon is shit all the time, ppl don't like certain ships.. 2/?
b/c the characters in the ships are so far removed from who they are in the text that they're pretty much just "ocs wearing the character's faces" that i have to just pause, and rlly ponder - am i doing fandom the *right* way? and it's cause for concern because i've done fandom like this ever since. i mean, my first foray into fandom was legit reading pwp/dead dove wild-ass content that was so far removed from canon, and it's been the same for every fandom i've ever been a part of 3/?
a bit of bg on me: before i came to danmei, i was knee-deep in comics. and if there's one thing you need to know abt comics - hell, even star wars - it's that anything goes re: canon because canon changes SO MUCH every few years - canon is always at the whims of the next writer who comes on board, and so it's more or less just a free-for-all pick-what-you-want buffet re: canon. doesn't mean you didn't have the occasional disk horse or meta re: canon & fanon, but. 4/?
i suppose it's just been quite.. the change of pace? anyway, fun fact: i came away from my last fandoms worrying abt and trying to be more dead dove, and now i'm worrying abt whether or not my interpretations will be canon-compliant enough. (damn @self, pick a struggle dude) anyways, one thing i've noticed is that, with mxtx, sv mains are well, i mean the book is legit sy reinventing pidw canon, and anything just goes in sv - so it's perfect. and i guess my worry is that there are - 6/?
- some mdzs-main authors whom i rlly rlly respect but am also so intimidated by because they have such amazing meta on canon events that i'm a little worried abt them seeing my works in the sv ao3 tag - even tho i know some of them don't rlly read fic - and well, getting vagued abt how my fic and interpretation of the story might be, or is, subpar. like i said, it's a me problem, because fandom is all abt writing for yourself, and the easy fix is to simply post on an altogether diff platform 7/?
but, yeah. i guess i'm just - i'm feeling kinda lost, and i get that this is borne out of my own irrational anxiety, but - what're are your thoughts on it? what do you think - is there like, not exactly *right*, but a more *aligned* way of interpreting canon that stays true to the spirit of the story, or should fandom be also all abt going crazy with your ideas? imo, u could adapt a "business in the front, party in the back" strategy on ao3 8/?
- use two complete separate profiles - one account for canon-compliant stuff and another for the id-stuff. but, yeah. i realize that the numbering of my asks may be wonky as hell, because i didn't write this ask in one go and section it off, so i'm rlly sorry if the numbering is confusing af when you view it in your inbox. anyways, that's abt it, and thank you sm for entertaining me, i rlly appreciate i. no rush, this is a super long and ?? ask, and i hope you have a nice day!
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aah i hope you're having a good day too darling! it sounds like you're feeling anxious about the engagement aspect of fandom, that maybe there's a monolithic interpretation of canon and a "mainstream" way fans are supposed to enact fics/art/vids/etc. To deviate from that would garner negative notoriety, specifically from people whose interpretations are widely regarded as "good and true" and whose interpretations you also do personally like.
To directly answer your question, I do think that fandom should be all about going crazy with your ideas. I don't believe in any policing at all.
Let me try to impose a concrete example onto this real quick (do tell me if I'm misunderstanding). Back when I was on bird app, i followed two kinds of accounts: the Analysts and the Horny Folks. They're not mutually exclusive ofc lmfao but for the sake of ease: we have a set of tweets that are like, "SV identifies XYZ specific failings in stallion novel tropes, prescribes them to toxic masculinity, and reworks them in ABC ways" and another set of tweets that are like, "so Bingge kidnaps SQQ and LQG from canon timeline and fists them both one on each hand." Both kinds of tweets take hard (hard 💕) work to produce and both kinds feed me, god bless. But if you were to write fic based on these, only the first kind of tweets invites the question of whether or not you're going to incorporate that into your writing, which may or may not manifest as pressure bc it's 1) from a person you appreciate and 2) if you don't, you think maybe other fans who've seen those tweets will think you're doing something wrong or ignorant. Furthermore, if I want to write fic based on the second kind of tweets, do I then have to incorporate the gospel as spoken by the first kind of tweets??
Hell no!! You sure can but you don't have to. I feel like you know this is the answer already so let me just affirm that.
Look, I will say that I think there are fan interpretations out there that are more canon-aligned—but then I gotta ask myself the question, which fics are trying to be? When I read a Modern AU winter fluff 2k songxiao fic, I don't need it to have incisive commentary on the canon theme of blame and complicity, y'know? The fans who wrote that fic also aren't trying to give me that. Same thing with porn. I think the question at the heart of all reading endeavors is "what is the author trying to do?" The onus isn't all on the writer to be good, imo. Good readers will ask that question and meet the author where they're at, esp in fandom. It makes no sense to expect the same thing of a 4k coffee shop AU meet-cute and a 40k post-canon fix-it. It sounds like you're a generous reader and fan who is experienced with accepting, appreciating, and working with multiple interpretations of fandom (oh man, coming from comic fandoms?? you've got a soul of steel babe). So you know well that not everybody needs one definite and consistent reading of canon to happily engage in fandom. Many others are the same as you~! Even the BNFs, most likely. And if you follow people who post things that sour your self-confidence, here's the friendly reminder to unfollow them.
Another possible way to avoid concerns about being called out for misinterpretation is to write for smaller ships and audiences lmfao. Too many existing metas about the main character? Write about a minor character instead, wahoo! Too much ship content with a cemented dynamic? Write a completely new ship nobody's even heard of, ayooo. It's both good writing exercise and good for the soul 'cause people who find you want to be there and everyone else won't even see what you've done. I just think it's sexy lololol on both the reading and writing sides.
Okay also—there are interesting politics about "who has the more correct interpretation" when it comes to danmei bc not everyone has access to Chinese. I don't know if this plays a factor in your worries in any way? It's a whole other conversation lmfao so I'll keep it short but I definitely have had complex feelings about my own readings vs. non-Chinese speakers' readings vs. other "authorities" on interpreting the Chinese etc. etc.
At the end of the day, fandom is a sandbox and you should play how you want. Write your id fics, publish them on main, publish them on anon, don't publish them at all—whatever makes you happy! It sounds like visibility plays a large part in what you're anxious about? So yeah, maybe a side account or going anon is the way to go. I know people who do exactly what you said, one main for the character work and one side for the id food!! That's fucking valid fam. I have works on anon for the same reason.
As for people visibly chatting about the validity of certain characterizations or interpretations...that just can't be helped, y'know? It's the nature of the internet, and it's another way of fandom engagement. As long as it's not mean-spirited, I think you just have to make peace with it. Carry that dead dove spirit with you, maybe!! I fucking love dead dove fics. "I have done this and it is here and I'm not apologetic about it." That's just completely tits out and phenomenal. Alternatively, maybe try to manifest digital data in analog—this is what I do whenever I get anxious about my presence in fandom. The digital world distort the impact and importance of most things, y'know? Whenever I think someone is out of my league, it helps me to imagine a chat as a face-to-face discussion, and that reminds me this is a cool person yeah but they still have like, a real face and a real body with all of its real, normal things like itching and the possibility of tripping on stuff. A BNF might say something that makes me feel super insecure but i dunno, they still have to periodically scrub down the sink. They're still cool but they're also normal. Your methods of engagement are 100% valid with or without consideration to people you admire.
anyways those are my thoughts. It might also be worth mentioning too that people who apply strict standards of canon-compliance to their own readings and writings might not apply those same standards to others. I certainly don't. I mean, it's arguable how canon-compliant my interpretations are lmfao but I certainly try for it. But it's not so important for when I'm reading, y'feel? The central concern of reading, at least for me, is more "has this author sold me on their story" and less about whether or not it complies with "my" readings. if I'm only interested in my readings, I wouldn't be reading other people's works. And if I am in fact not interested in other people's interpretations, then maybe you shouldn't be so interested in my interpretations either hahahha.
#long post#anon#is this useful? i hope this is useful#live and let live#i just hate when people get mean about shit#but i also recognize some people are just engaging without being mean-spirited#so i just gotta peace out kjsdnfkjsdnf#it's part of why i deletd twitte#anyways if you like hugs here's a hug#DO WHAT YOU WANT#FUCK ALL THE NOISE TELLING YOU OTHERWISE
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11 questions tag~ (again)
ayeeee i was tagged back by these binches and this is what i have to say i love you all these were all great questions i had a great time but we need a hard set squad name i vote either “get emma to love stray kids squad” or “god tier squad” idk man let’s do it and wonkwanhaojosh is too damn much and it messes w the wonankwan vibe that has a flow what is wonkwanhaojosh even okay any way
sister’s q’s @yongpal-i
1. Make a 10-song playlist for your current mood. this playlist which is basically a condensed version of this playlist.
2. What vine do you quote the most? idk man you’d know better than me? maybe it’s an avacado thanks? OH FUCK IT’S I WANT TO SEE MY LITTLE BOY OR “hwhat?”
3. What do you value most in a friend? loyalty and humor!
4. If you could learn any kpop choreography instantly, what would you learn? umm legit so many you know me haaaaaaa but maybe dream in a dream by ten bc that is some lit shit... or coloring book by omg or love cherry motion by choerry bc i’ve been meaning to learn them for so long.. OH FRICK MY FIRST AND LAST THO?? i mean i kinda know all the moves but can i do them? no... idk i legit have a list of dances to learn on my phone there’s literally like 40 rip
5. If you go to your Tumblr activity page, who does it say is your “number one fan?” @s-lay-ing :D then @strawberryboo :D then @lipstick-chathao :D then @justsomekpopstuff :D so many blessed faves! but sorry i haven’t been on in 800 years?
6. What is your ideal clothing style? ummm comfy is my style but i wish i could be like.. chic comfy tbh
7. What is your favorite Snapchat filter? the one w the hearts bc i have a lot of love to give
8. What subject would you like to study, but wouldn’t necessarily want to make a career out of? (for example: I really want to learn about botany!) um all languages??? ever?? i mean they will help me w my career tho idk
9. Would you rather be constantly half an hour early to everything, or constantly 15 minutes late? i mean.. i’m always late but i wish i was that early person so yeah
10. Would you rather have a single day to spend with your top bias or a week to spend with your number 2 bias? um?? an attack?? so yes i would rather spend a day w wonu??? ofc?? but my dilemma is that if i think logically maybe i should go for jaehyun for a week? bc english?? like w wonu we wouldn’t be able to talk which would be so sad:(
11. If you could bring back any disbanded OR inactive group, who would you bring back? umMMMM WONDER GIRLS??? but on the other hand that brought us gashina sigh... maybe uniq just so you can pull yourself together tbh
jamie’s q’s @indiepoptime
1) If you could only listen to one song for the rest of your life what would it be and why? pretty u!!!!!!! bc!!!! it’s like one of my favorite songs ever? but also when you love someone that’s an ult fave for me as well.. idk man
2) If you were in a kpop group what would your group be called and what would your fandom name be? i have a vision w ideas from the minds of @strawberryboo and @yongpal-i and @lipstick-chathao okay so our groups would be BINCH and me and emma would have a subunit called SMAE... our fans would be BONCHES and specific mir stans would be mirbles thank you
3) If you could acquire mastery over ONE skill instantly, what would you pick and why? um i say languages every fucking time for these things so... i’ll say how to talk to people without looking like an idiot that’s be cool
4) First reaction if you spotted your favorite celebrity on the street? i’d probably try to act chill on the outside and then go home and cry akfdjhgfdk idk if i’d try to talk to them?? or just like?? admire them from a distance?? idk i might say hello and tell them i love them
5) First reaction if your favorite celebrity followed you on your favorite social media site? delete EVERYTHING but like also maybe i’d just like post a bunch of positive love things actually bc!! they’d actually see it!!
6) Snap your fingers and you get to steal your favorite outfit off of a kpop idol. What outfit do you pick, off of whom, and why? well everyone know i’m a hO for wonu’s let’s dance boom boom sweater i think?? wHY IS THE PICTURE SO BIG AHHAHAHAHAHAHA
also a big fan of all of chungha’s outfits from why don’t you know if i could pull them off!
7) If you were to get a painless tattoo that you could remove with the press of a button, what would you get and where would you get it? ohhh part of the reason i won’t get a tattoo is that i am very indecisive and have no idea what i’d get! but maybe something on my side or on my wrist if it was painless? bc wrists are very sensitive.. i’d get smth simple probably maybe flowers or a quote or lyrics? i’m not sure but probably colorless and minimal!
8) What is your most prized possession? maybe my computer? or my camera? i’m not a super materialistic person i don’t think but as long as i have friends and memories that’s what i care abt:D
9) What’s a YouTube/online challenge that you have always wanted to try? literally so many! before kpop i was really really REALLY into youtube ajdkghf i’d maybe try to who knows you better sister or best friend? i like all the bf ones as well but i don’t have one ahhhhhh maybe i’d do vlogmas ahahha
10) You get a guarantee that your favorite celebrity will see your social media post but you only get 100 characters. What do you say to them? i’d tell them i love them and support them no matter what they do! and that they should stay happy and healthy and their well being comes before anyone else’s.
11) You wake up in your dream room. What does it look like? LITERALLY BLACKPINK HOUSE LIKE DID YOU SEEEEE IT but i’d have big windows bc i like natural light! i’d want some nice pictures up and a rlly soft bedspread maybe w a cool headboard? idk something that looks clean and open!
emma’s q’s @strawberryboo
1. if you had to chose one kpop stage outfit to wear for the rest of your life which would you choose? umm okay soo i’ll say jimin hopeless love just bc like damn how epic would i be all the time and also i think i’m tall enough to fill it out
i also think n.flying’s recent outfits are very fun!! and anything wonpil has worn onstage is prime
2. favorite music video aesthetic? any of loona’s mvs?? or gashina like everyone talks abt the dance but everything abt that mv is me sorry to break it to you
3. Group you are most excited for in 2018? for debut? stray kids or loona!! but also the unit and mixnine groups?? idk what’s gonna be the outcome but i’m hoping for like jbj level tier to come out at somepoint idk
4. Recommend me some underrated kpop songs/groups? um! i aways struggle reccing you songs jkdhs but i’ll rec you i’m jelly baby by aoa cream aoa isn’t necessarily underrated but the members in the subunit are! also dawon stars in the mv so i thought you’d enjoy! also deepened by brave girls i’m not sure if you’ve ever listened to rollin’ either tbh??? but that’s them doing a fun lil dp and being cute af!! um omg these are all gonna be gg tbh and i’m not even super sure what you’ve heard and haven’t heard???? so here’s a few: why don’t you say by playback (a jam) i think i love you by sonamoo (one of my fave songs ever rlly) fri. sat. sun. by dalshabet (they didn’t used to be underrated but there old mvs have nearly 5 times the amount that their new one does so?? a crime???) she’s mine by vav (tbh i love all their songs like so so much they have the best jams) 1 2 3 by b.i.g (two are on the unit my babies) woo by imfact (if you haven’t seen this video have you truly lived?) and rescue by younha (i just found this song and have listened to it a lot lately!!) k idk if most of these are considered underrated but it’s fine enjoy binch
5. If you could join any group other than your bias group who would you join and why? maybe monsta??? just bc??? they’re all best boys?? but also maybe the boyz bc so many 98 liners!! oh or gfriend bc 98 line squad and dance wow i’d have a good time idk i’ll join all the groups really
6. Favorite soloist? and some song recs? !!!! i think you know all my fave soloists tho?? i’m a big fan of hyuna, jay park and jimin/jamie park and you’ve also gotten me pretty into heize too ajkfdhdk but i’ve been really digging suran’s wine i think you’ve maybe not heard that one possibly? OH AND SAM KIM I FORGOT but i think we discussed that you listened to all his stuff too akjdfhfg my fave rn is mama don’t worry!
7. Childhood Story? (thanks Cloud) k well now i gotta think of another.. oh here’s a fun one: so when we were still potty training our grandma would give us an mnm when we used the bathroom by ourselves.. so one time i found an brown mnm on the floor of our kitchen and was like ayeee a snack and then i ate it and it was a bug and my grandma just stuck my head under the sink and tried to rinse my mouth out lemme tell you he wasn’t a tasty bug at all
8. Were you in any fandoms before you got into kpop, if so what were they? yeeeee as i said early in this tag i was super super into youtube right before kpop! it was mainly junior year i think? and senior? but um before that i was a bit into 5sos and before that i was superrr into one direction haha but tbh before kpop i wasn’t really involved in the fandom at all like i made my tumblr for kpop and i had a one direction insta (one_directionxoxoxox bitches) but i didn’t rlly talk to anyone lol and it was trash
9. Favorite Comeback/debut of 2017? uMMMM okay so comeback is gotta be my first and last not sorry abt it... and debut i’ll say pristin bc wow it was rlly a masterpiece
10. astrological sign? Myers Briggs type? Hogwarts House (I’m a Gemini, infp, and Gryffindor) cancer sun/leo rising/scorpio moon? idk what all the important ones are tbh; intj; ravenclaw/gryffindor ayeee
11. Random question but what are your favorite names? um i used to have a list of all my favorite names on my old ass ipod touch but i rlly like names they have hard i sounds like isla and lila and stuff? and boys names i like gregory and josef a lot and idk why bc they’re rly basic ajfhkd i also like more gender neutral names like grey and baguette
k i’m done and i won’t tag anyone bc i am lazy but if you wanna do it i wrote out questions here and you can answer those and say i tagged you:)
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shipping info!
answer the following for your muse so people know how shipping works on your blog
WHAT IS YOUR OTP FOR YOUR CHARACTER?:
[ Oumasai because :) Well :) gay & I guess Saimaki bc Goldie ]
WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO WRITE WHEN IT COMES TO SHIPPING?
[ A lot of stuff tbh! I’m willing to explore a lot of things when it comes to shipping- but I’m uhh h h...Extremely selective with angst, depending on the ship and I guess the person? Mostly the ship tho. But I’m never going to write abt death, cheating or severe abandonment issues. Though I’m usually willing to write fluffy stuff, and slice of life stuff but anything’s gud!
I feel I might be open for mildly dysfunctional shippings, specifically for pregame, but as long as it’s not too abusive and both parties actually like each other romantically. I’ll explain what I mean in one of the next questions. ]
ARE YOU SELECTIVE WHEN SHIPPING?:
[ Mmm yes.
I prefer it if our characters go through chemistry and if we’re already friends. And it usually depends on my friendship lvl’s with someone- it may sound a bit silly but...If I ever get salty with someone, or if they make me upset/uncomfy a few times and we’re friends, I’m likely going to be more selective when it comes to shipping with you. Mainly bc I wanna have fun and all and I don’t want to get salty- Chances of this occurring is low but ehhhh... If we’re already good friends, and I like you, chances of me shipping with you are high but I won’t force a ship.
Tbh I’m too shy to bring it up 98% of the time sO-
But aside from that, I’m not really one to automatically start a ship just because you have, let's say an Ouma. All Ouma’s, and other muses actually, are portrayed different and they gotta go through some sort of chem before I can say “Hey let’s ship” or smthing- Not to say it can never happen tho!
I’m also up for pre-established relationships but again, that’s not an automatic ship, that means we got a better idea of how our muses are like, and we can see if things work out or not. ]
HOW FAR DO STEAMY MOMENTS HAVE TO GO BEFORE THEY ARE CONSIDERED NSFW?:
[ Beyond the kissus and the touching. Consent. I don’t know what else to say about this but I’m not gonna :) post actually sin threads here :)) uh ]
WHO ARE THE CHARACTERS YOU SHIP YOUR CHARACTER WITH?:
[ In this blog? Saimaki w/ Goldie, beginning to develop SaiOuma w/ Akira, GontaSai w/ Soa ( needs more development but it’s noice- ) A crack ship that’s sorta to turn into a non-crack ship i think?? could end up in a platonic ship is...SaiLacki w/ Mads, he’s getting used to her. I mean they’re married, not legally but married since I made this blog. Top tier ship. As for pregame, SeiMayu w/ Goldie again, we haven’t gotten too far in public threads but Seiji & Nagito w/ Dean ( We discussed it and had a few private threads with timeskips, it’s dysfunctional but we like it~ It’s not abusive once they get to know each other more, and when they actually get together. I’m ngl there’s so much room for development, especially since Nagito despises and looks down at Seiji deep within his heart and Seiji is practically his biggest fan, and he’s beyond thankful to even spend time with Nagito. Like this kid looks up to him like DR, and in this AU DR doesn’t exist, because he wants to join Hopes’ Peak, and then, in the end, they manage to just...Work it out?? ) Mayu and Seiji are dysfunctional too I worry for Mayu’s safety, even tho she’s a yandere- But Seiji is just too protective of her and he loves her dearly. He doesn’t...Harm her, he’s just possessive and doesn’t know what the hell a healthy relationship is. Though because Goldie & I are close, and we are both fine with certain stuff, sometimes we would discuss stuff like what if he did harm her, but it’s not too extreme and it’s only in extremely rare situations. He doesn’t mean it either.
I hope I’m not making it sound like shipping w/ Seiji is toxic because it’s really not and a healthy ship can work out.
I’m probably missing smthing but-- Rayne & I are also looking at the chemistry between Seiji and Koichiro to see if smthing might spark up between them, Idk if this was worth mentioning bUT MM I think Sai & I are doing the same I think actually, and w/ Icy too--
Shuichi/Mitsu and I have a ship too but it’s mostly done in private so akjsnd ]
DOES ONE HAVE TO ASK TO SHIP WITH YOU?:
[ yEs- Listen if our muses have a lot of interactions, the chances of me coming to you, and being like- “ Hey, I see a ship “ is LOW OKAY IM TOO SHY AND I’LL FEEL GUILTY I’m-
Talk to me OOC, let our muses have interactions, increase thy friendship lVLS- Okay but seriously, let our muses interact, if you talk to me OOC and we end up as friends, it’s even better. But I don’t want to have friends that are just...Friends for the sake of shipping. It’s just not fun, y’know. : ) ]
ARE YOU SHIP OBSESSED OR SHIP MORE - OR - LESS?:”
[ what does this mean- Uhh HH
I don’t know- I wouldn’t really say I’m obsessed hhmm... I’ll prolly get back to this later- ]
ARE YOU MULTISHIP?:
[ Yes listen I’m a shipping garbage idk what you expect-. ]
WHAT IS YOUR FAVOURITE SHIP IN YOUR CURRENT FANDOM?:
[ Aside from Oumasai? YeAH TBH LIKE- Saimaki, Amasai and Saimoto is gud, gud shit it’s pure. But I also like... Saimatsu but hhh salty experiences and I’m wILLING TO TRY TO SHIP THIS AGAIN THO- Saiibo too, honestly most ships with Saihara is nice and I’m rlly open-minded. ]
FINALLY, HOW DOES ONE SHIP WITH YOU?
[ I feel like I’m repeating myself but...Chemistry, interactions, OOC communications, all that jazzz. Let out muses have the chemistry they need, I also want both parties (OOC) to have fun with this.
All ye gotta do is ask/tell me if you wanna ship tbh ! It has a chance of working out~ ]
TAGGED BY: @nightmaresadvocate [ thank you sm Rayne!! <33 ]
TAGGING: @hasikon @spiral-cursed @spookyliar @soaringpilot-and-littlewing @outcrhcll @detectivewritten @outcastedkiller & whoever wanna do this ~~
#[ i manage to finish writing this within 2 classes uwu ]#[ why am i on tumblr during school i uhhhh h hhhh ]#[ teachers are missing idk why but ]#[ iVE BEEN MEANING TO DO THIS ANYWAY BUT THANKS FOR TAGGIN ME RAYNE ]#[ tag game ]#[ shipping stuff ]#[ long post // ]
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