#this mean robb didnt care about him? also no

[midnight1404]

The ppl that believe robb didnt care about theon a lot are the weakest link ngl

[2braincellslz]

My Queen

Ship: Fem!reader x Robb Stark

Desc: the new Targaryen Queen replaces the evil queen Cersei Lannister. Her White Wolf gushes over her.

Notes: so this was a request but I fucked up and lost it lol. Also not my favorite, it's very short, but I'm really excited to write for Robb. Also idk shit about the Targaryen house, I'm better suited for the Ironborn and the Starks but I still tried. Also dont know about about the iron throne and I have yet to read asoiaf. Sorry.

Warnings: implied violence, not prof read.

(Y/n) didnt think she would make it this far. Hell, she didnt even think she would make it half way. It didnt seem real, standing infront of the long sout after goal. How could something so many people died for just be sitting right in front of her.

She steped forward, reaching out and feeling the throne. It was cool, cold, stone cold. She ran her finger across the dull edge of one of the swords, only stopping for a moment at the broken chips.

(Y/n) remembered when she was young, growing up with her siblings Danni and Viserys. She learned more about the throne then her siblings. She lerned about the importance of each and every one of them. She even knew some of them by name.

"The guards are taken care of." A voice, one of comfort, snapped (y/n) out of her thoughts.

"Thank you." The words were simple but they got the point across.

"It's so... so..." (y/n) smiled, looking over her shoulder. "It dosnt feel real."

"I was just thinking that." Her finger traced one of the carvings in a sword. "Come here, my wolf." (Y/n) held out her hand.

A callused hand intertwined (y/n)'s.

"Do you remember all the storys I've told you about the iron throne?" (Y/n)  asked, she felt Robb's thumb rubbing over the back of her hand.

"How could I forget? You tell me a new one every night." She could feel Robbs apprehensiveness.

"Here." (Y/n)  led Robb closer to the throne, moving his hand closer to the throne. "This one, the one with the engravings, this one has always been my favorite."

She led Robb's hand across the engraving. "Its special."

Robb slowly but surely let (Y/n) lead him. He glanced over at (y/n), the delicate yet dangerous look in her eye only made his heart throb more.

"Theres no real meaning to it. No important warrior. Its just...  pretty."

"Pretty." Robb repeated, not even looking at the sword anymore.

(Y/n) looked up from the sword, letting out a soft giggle. "You arnt even looking at the sword."

Robb's smile was soft, he was growing in a beard. It suited his face well but (y/n) was ready for her cleaned up prince back.

"My darling and Queen." Robb hummed, taking her other hand. "You are stunning tonight."

"You are so..." (y/n) huffed. Her head was all messed up, sweaty and worn out. Fighting a war, especially in the capital, was impossibly hard. She wasnt one to just stand back and let her men fight for her.

"Please, you deserve a rest." Robb led (y/n) to the throne.

(Y/n) sat back, leaning in to the throne. It wasnt exactly comfortable but it was powerful. It felt right. It felt like home. The hall was home and this throne was home. Her life and goal.

But nothing was as important as her husband.

"You look perfect." Robb kneeled in front of (y/n). He took his sword out of his sheath, placing it infront of her feet.

"My Queen. My lovey Queen. I am but your humble servant." Robb poured his heart out, words coming out before he could think them over. "Please let me and my men serve you."

"Oh my white wolf." (Y/n) hummed, pulling Robb closer to her. "You are more then a servant." (Y/n) stood up, holding Robbs face. "You are my prince and my knight."

Robbs hands found there way to (y/n)'s waist.

"My queen."

[fatoumyvu]

I was talking on WhatsApp about wtfock and I think it finally clicked what doesnt click for me about sobbe and s3 (also of course this is an opinion bla bla bla etc)

So I feel like at its core sobbe is what someone that doesnt understand what og s3 and what evak was about would write if they were trying to recreate evak

(this is way too long so i did the thing)

Og s3 (and I'm limiting what I'm saying to the s3s this is not taking into account anything post s3 for either of them) at the same time in a way builds a simple uncomplicated first love together forever love story and then dismantles it and creates a much more interesting but much more complicated and real love story instead. 

S3 introduces us to the fairytale (and of course its a gay love story so theres other shit there since the beginning that make it complicated like isaks internalized homophobia and his parents and his friends im not talking about that here) and then it shows us that it was never real but it's ok that it wasnt cause that's life and it's worth it and its better. Even is this cool older guy that flirts with isak and that seems like an ideal uncomplicated first love but actually Even is a nerd and a dork and likes dumb movies and hes a complicated real person (character) with his own problems and flaws and a lot of history (that we slowly discover as isak discovers them) and shit is very complicated actually and relationships are hard (and they are awesome and romantic and real). And that's what life it's about it's about the highs but it's also about the lows and it's about opening yourself to feeling and to love and to getting to know other people and letting other people know you which also means opening yourself to pain and to heartache and disappointment. and of course evak had it's one liners too and I'm a terrible romantic so I love them but they have their slow moments and their opening up to eachother moments theres vulnerability there and it doesnt end with a promise of forever cause that's not what s3 is about. 

(Please go back and rewatch the final eva and isak conversation cause it's pretty much what I'm saying but nicer and said in way less words)

Sobbe misses the second part of that so hard

It's all about the cheesy romantic one liners they double down on them so hard and then they torture the characters and make them go through hell and then theres more forever one liners (and sex cause I guess that was more needed than conversations) and then more pain and more pain and then a lackluster reunion with again the idea of them always forever (and I guess the reunion is supposed to be the vulnerable moment but it really just feels like a culmination of the pain not a shift in what this relationship is about) and then party and the season is done (and it has the life is now thing but it completely misses the point of what that was about in og too and its more like a we might die tomorrow so let's live tonight kind of line)

And ok yeah def you can argue wtfock s3 is about different things than og s3 was about (and to a certain extent I agree with that) but they failed at those so hard too (was it about robbes journey with his intermittent internalized homophobia? Or about external homophobia maybe? Or both? Idk cause both of those stories were resolved suddenly and badly and if they wanted to do that it couldve been much more interesting than what we got but they didnt commit to it soo) and the changes they made to evak (what i discussed above) made those storylines less interesting anyways cause at the end of the day they made sobbe less interesting.

What's funny to me is how much I complained and argued about fanon evak and how much it felt like watered down evak without all the complexity (and how much fanon even felt like even in ep 3 before isak actually got to know him and how much fanon isak felt like a fantasy people had created that was much more of a cliché and way less interesting than canon isak) cause that's exactly how I feel about sobbe

Anyways nobody cares but me but I thought I would put it out there anyways since it feels like I can finally put what I've been feeling kind of into words.

[mrsjadecurtiss]

serious question: why WHY did he give her the finger skin? what is grrm actually trying to imply there? i think i have lost my mind, because i can literally only interpret it as a failed romantic gesture

LITERALLY!!!

Ok if we behave and assume that grrm did not mean it in a shippy way, the explanation that makes most sense to me is that the Red Wedding planners might have initially intended Catelyn to survive as a hostage, and so he tries to keep himself in good graces with her? Looking at the timeline:

- Roose gives Cat a piece of Theon's finger skin, a gesture clearly meant to win her affection/make himself look good

Part of Catelyn wanted to clutch the grisly trophy to her heart, but she made herself resist. 

- At the Red Wedding he sits directly next to her (note that he planned the wedding, so he likely had influence on the seating arrangement). Before the carnage starts, he leaves the room, in a way that she notices

Roose Bolton murmured some words too soft to hear and went off in search of a privy. 

- When he comes back to kill Robb, it is implied he wears a helmet with his armor to obscure his face, because Catelyn doesn't recognize/name him (he also later denies Red Wedding involvement in aDwD)

A man in dark armor and a pale pink cloak spotted with blood stepped up to Robb.

- Catelyn, at the end of the Red Wedding, kills one of Walder's sons and goes mad, making them decide to kill her too

"Mad," someone said, "she's lost her wits," and someone else said, "Make an end" 

So his idea might have been that he chips in a gesture of affection, in case that it might pay off after the Red Wedding when Catelyn is a hostage; During the Wedding he then sits next to her so that she sees him "leave" and doesn't directly connect him to the carnage. But when Catelyn later goes mad, the plans to have her be a hostage are changed and she is killed.

Though while he kills Robb in armor that apparently obscures him enough to not be immediately recognizable, he still definitely is recognizable as a Bolton man, so maybe they changed plans regarding Cat before he reenters the hall, or he just didnt care that much about her opinion of him.

If Cat really was meant to die from the beginning then it really does just read as Roose thinking he has nothing to lose and trying to make a move on her... I can't think of any rational cold calculated motive behind it, besides i guess looking like a good guy so noone starts to get sus about the red wedding??

Considering Grrm likes beauty and the beast style heroine x morally worse guy ships, and he also designed Roose to be an evil version of Eddard, and the fact that the scene does read like a very awkward flirting attempt and Roose also arranges to sit next to Catelyn one chapter later, AND grrm introduces Roose' best friend who's an evil version of Catelyn in aDwD (Barbrey), there is a chance grrm might have liked the Roosecat dynamic and intentionally gave them a little scene (or maybe relaized he liked it after writing that scene)

[lucidpantone]

It's crazy how only poc are homophobic in wtfock land. Must just be a coincidence lol

I mean i dont know about all that....did you not see s2? Jana and the girls were displaying some pretty ignorant homophobic behavior doing gay test and trying to oddly out Robbe’s queerness by trying to kiss him. Also Jens and Aaron being constant dicks. I didnt mind this portrayal because i dont really see it as poc being homophobic but as more the older crowd still gets taken a back with queerness. Like I could see Yasmina’s mom’s reaction from like Aaron’s dad too ya know if we were pov-ing Aaron. Like my family isnt homophobic but when I talk to my aunts about dating and am gender inclusive I can see they still struggle to understand it and they love me and dont care that am queer its just something they have never experienced before a person expressing queerness in such a open matter of fact way. Same with my parents it took awhile for them to get use to saying “you can always bring your partner around?” or “what are they like?” and scrubbing pronouns from their assumptions. They still slip now its just the older crowd struggles a bit. I dont think Yasmina’s mom is homophobic I just think it took her aback for a second. In life I dont judge peoples reactions like that. I understand that some people have very little exposure to someone like me and it takes a second to adjust they arent bad people for it.

[dachi25writes]

Chapter One: Up North

AEGON I

It felt surreal.

Blond hair and violet eyes– just like his own– stared vacantly into the ceiling. Pale skin, translucent in the fluorecent lights.

Just a nightmare, any minute now he would wake up in the station, have some of that tasteless but nutricious space food, don his spacesuit and go out to the surface of the moon to collect data he would later send to his father…

His dead father who seemed to be staring right through him, body stiff as the metalic table he laid on, his lashes still frosted, lips blue.

What was he thinking? Going up to the North like that without proper equipment or a guide of any kind, it was not like him at all, but maybe things hadn’t gone as he planned, maybe he had been forced to–

Aegon turned around just as his sister apologized for his distracted behavior and signed for the body to be discharged so it could be sent back home. Gods, it had been almost 6 years since he had last seen Dragonstone, he remembered the salty air and ashen grey sand so cool to the touch you could lie there even on the hottest summer day.

[[MORE]]

The memory was enough to make him smile, wan and melancholy for he did not– could not - forget the circumstances in which he was going back.

Rhaenys touched his arm, gently almost tentative “C'mon Egg, we have to go”

He nodded and walked along, she was very diferent from the sister he remembered, not taller though he coludn’t be sure with the heels she was wearing but the way she carried herself was diferent. She used to slouch, father always tried to correct her posture. Rain never cared to try though, she still slouched a little, it was only noticeable in a slight bend of her shoulders, but that didn’t take away from her overall air of confidence, she didn’t have much of that back then; most shocking of all, her hair was long, she really hated long hair would chop it off herself if mom refused to take her to the hair saloon “It’s been a long time”

She sighed “ I know”

"Where’s mom?”

“She’s back at the hotel I did not think it would be right to bring her here”

He nodded, of course she couldn’t bring mom to the body deposit, Rhaenys would never risk to upset her “How- how did she take it?, about Dad I mean, did you tell her yet?”

As soon as they were out of the building Rhaenys opened her purse and got out a cigarette and a lighter, she offered him one but he refused waiting for her answer as she put the cigarette between lips, gave it a long drag and exhaled the smoke slowly.

“Of course I told her” she answerered at last “C'mon Egg, I’ll give you a ride I parked just around the block”

He nodded and followed “And how did she take it?”

Rhaenys shrugged “She took it well all things considered, said we should have visited Dad some time and other stuff, you know how she is, but I think she is looking forward to seeing us all again”

He grabbed her arm “You called them?” he couldn’t belive Rhaenys! she was family but them… if they came at all it would only be to gloat.

She raised her eyebrow at him and shook his grip with ease “Didn’t need to, it’s all over the news, also from what I know Mr. Connington called us, well he sent this really long e-mails but you get the idea, didn’t you get one?”

He shook his head , dumbfounded “I don’t know, I really haven’t got the chance to catch up. Mr. Connington commed me at the station and I just had to get here” actually he never even expected to see Rhaenys here. He hoped she would at least go to the funeral, Mr. Connington was arranging at Dragonstone, but this… He felt anger claw at his belly, like oil on a sizzling pan the heat thretened to jump in every direction, he held it in, gods he was so out of shape.

Breath in, 1, 2, 3… Exhale. Keep focus.

And it passed.

Rhaenys studied his face, really seeing him for the frist time since they had started talking

"Fuck Egg you look like shit!”

He shrugged but felt self conscious nonetheless, Father had always insisted to always keep a good image for the Academy’s sake. He ran a hand through his short buzzcut, and dragged it all the way down to his face, he was so, so tired.

The car was a small old looking thing of a vibrant orange color, Rhaenys opened the passanger’s door for him as if he hadn’t enough strenght to do it himself.

“Where you staying at?”

"Well as I said I haven’t really–”

“ 'Kay so that means you are coming with me, we rented a room with two beds but I guess mom and I can share,it’s just a night anyway.”

He had half a mind to protest but he was just too tired to go around town looking for some place to stay so he just stayed silent.

Rhaneys started the car and soon enough they were at some cheap-looking but cozy motel called “Winterfell” which wasn’t surprising at all , he had seen at least 10 different stores with the same name since they left the morgue, according to his sister everyone had the Stark fever around here and wanted to be part of the ancestral noble house.

“For real” she said between giggles “I pulled over for some gas on the way here and the guy at the station told me he was a distant relative of the Stark, but not only him the hotel clerk, the barista at Manderly’s and they all say it in this really secret conspiratorial way. It’s kinda sweet really, now I get why Robb insisted we should do a roadtrip here, I can practically see his smug face when he mentioned he was an actual Stark”

Her laugh stopped, and became a bitter sigh.

Aegon wished he could say something but he knew he would most likely say the wrong thing and he just wasn’t up for a fight.His sister parked and proceeded to rest her forhead on the steering wheel, brown curls obscuring her face.

“Sorry Egg, I just can’t help thinking about Robb when we are here. He was always talking about Winterfell and I just-”

“It’s fine” he tried to be nonchalant about it but he felt uncomfortable, he had never been particularly close to Robb, he did like him though. Robb was one of those people you inevitably admire, but after he died everything went to shit at the Academy, everyone blamed Dad for it even Rhaenys, Aegon had been the only one that stayed after that. He knew it was pretty shitty to blame Robb for dying but if he hadn’t maybe…

“God I am such a jerk” Rhaenys lifted her face enough to look at him “I haven’t even asked if you have talked to Sansa or–?”

“I haven’t” he pressed his mouth into a thin line, he didn’t want to talk about this with Rhaenys now or ever really. “You know what? The space travel is really catching up on me so I better go rest like you said”

He opened the door and practically slammed it shut when it dawned on him he had no idea of the room number and he had to wait for Rhaenys. Fuck! just after he had stormed out of the car like a broody asshole(Jon’s asshole face flashed briefly in his mind), the day couldn’ t get worse really.

Fortunately Rhaenys let him save some dignity and got out of the car calmly as if nothing had happened but in her eyes so alike mom’s he could see worry.

"Sorry Egg, you know I am an idiot sometimes, we should go rest”

He wanted to tell her that she wasn’t, not really, not even after she left did he ever thought that, but he couldn’t bring himself to say it.

She led the way to a simple room decorated in pastels with two identical beds, matching night tables and a very stiff looking couch where his mother sat reading one of the romance novels she loved so well.

As soon as she saw him she got up and enveloped him in an embrace he immediately returned, they parted after a while but she stayed close enough so he could smell her characterístic orange scent, she caressed his face.

"You look so much like your daddy”

Aegon searched for a trace of emotion in his mother’s eyes to know at least someone was grieving as much as him, but her eyes were dry and he remembered that even if his mom felt any pain for her husband’s death she couldn’t be able to express it. Maybe the only thing he resented his is dad for.

“You must tell me all you have done in this years, your sister and little Nym have kept me so busy I haven’t got the chance to visit you and dad.” she made him sit beside her in one of the beds, her soft hands patting his face and squeezing his arm, it made him feel comforted in a way he hadn’t in years “I hope you made him get out of the lab once in a while, Rhaegar needed someone to force him to rest or he would simply drop exausted which of course was never safe–”

"Mom” Rhaenys interrupted putting a hand on mom’s shoulder “Aegon has just arrived and has barely slept I think we better let him rest”

"But look at him dear, your brother looks like he hasn’t eaten a proper meal in years.”

That made him genuinely smile, gods, he really had missed mom “I’ve been eating just fine, I just need some sleep”

“Aegon you can’t sleep like that, you should at least change into your pajamas”

“Well I didnt bring any change of clothes” he confessed rather ashamed. It wasn’t like him to be so unprepared.

"Such a careless boy! Rain we cannot let him like this, we should go out to buy your brother some clothes and food”

Great, now mom was treating him as a 6 year old child.

“Ok, mom just give me a minute I need to call Daeron and Nym to let them know we are at the motel”

His mother nodded, and Rhaenys got out of the room with her cell in hand.He still couldn’t wrap his mind around the fact that Rain was a mom now, much less that he was an uncle. He had seen photos of ‘Nym’ when she was a baby and another one of a toddler dressed like Princess Jonquil from that animated movie, but he had never met her.

“Nym has been dying to meet you” As always mom guessed his thoughts.

"She has? I wasn’t sure that Rhaenys talked about me or the Academy”

Mom smiled sadly “Oh, Rain doesn’t talk about the Academy, but about you of course. You are a superhero to Nym, protecting the world from the alíens and meteorites, that girl is obssessed with space, she is always saying that when she grows up her uncle will take her to live with him in space”

He felt a warm feeling wash over him, more than ever he wanted to return to Dragonstone and meet his little niece. That would be nice, he figured, a quiet normal life where he could play with little Nym, of course first he had to investigate what dad was doing in the Wolf’s Wood on his own, he was the head of the Academy now, well he would be if there was an Academy anymore.

Rhaenerys entered again, she had a smile on her face. “Daeron said he and Nym will meet us tomorrow in Dragonstone, I was worried about not being there for her frist flight but her dad says she is very excited”

“I am looking forward to meet them” said Aegon at last, he wished so desperately to have his family back especially now.

"They do too” she replied with a soft smile “Mom, we should get going. Egg you should try to take nap until we come back”

He said he would, and he did try. As soon as they left he took off his shoes and laid down on the bed to the left. It was stiff and smelled way to much of air freshener, but he had been living in a space station for 2 years now so this was more comfortable than he expected. Still he couldn’t fall asleep, as soon as his eyes closed he thought about dad and his mysterious death.

Frustrated, he decided to watch TV to drown out his thoughts. He regreted the decision almost immediately, on the screen appeared a flash of red hair. He almost laughed at his own hopelessnes, there must be a thousand woman in Westeros with that same hair color, and even if he knew them all he would still wish it was Sansa.

The woman turned around and it was her. Sansa. She had grown taller and impossibly beautiful, statuesque and regal were the words that came to mind to describe her.She became an actress, he knew that much. It seemed she was at some red carpet event. His finger thumbed the button to change the channel, he didn’t want to see her, but suddenly a reporter came down on her like a falcon on his prey, and asked her about father’s death. Her brow furrowed, she looked around as if trying to gather if this was some kind of twisted joke, her eyes filled with tears, still she politely excused herself and went back to her limo.

She cared.

His heart skipped a bit, and this time he did laugh. Gods! He felt a fool. Sansa had made her feelings for him very clear on that last note she left him…

When the hosts of the show started talking he finally turned off the TV. He grabbed one of the pillows underneath him and covered his face with it no matter what he did his mind made up diferent scenarios for their reunion each more farfetched and unsatisfactory than the last and like that he fell asleep.

[sobbefairytales]

hihi! missed me? I was planning on re reading the chapter and then send this ask but i didn’t have time nor the energy to do so and I really wanted to send this in before the next chapter was uploaded so yeah here we go. WOW WOW WOW!!!! how do you do this?? every time I think that you’ve just written my favorite chapter you write the next one and it’s even better?? wow just wow, truly congrats. chapter 5 was... brilliant and every scene was so well done. honestly I loved jens checking up on robbe and while at first I was a bit confused robbe did everything right, no matter how much it hurt he still owned what happened which was very brave considering how much he didn’t want to believe it was really his fault in the past chapters. THE SCHOOL YARD TALK never I have been prouder of a boy in my life I was literally clapping and crying, he took his blame but still stood up for himself and said I don’t deserve to be treated like this, I FELT that final fuck scream but it was NEEDED even if it hurt. we love the right amount of angst. I knew he would give the necklace back because of the sneak peek and I was really :( when I did but I LOVED IT!!! and the final photo of the angel posted by sander was epic. I KNEW HE DIDNT ACTUALLY ASKED TO SWAP PARTNERS!! I KNEW IT!! pat pat on my shoulder 😌. but yeah I can now imagine the professor trying to remember his students and being like “robbe and sander... miscommunication CEOs let’s hope they talk while doing the project”. okay the talk afterwards gave me :/ vibes cause my anxiety doesn’t vibe with visualizing a fight in front of other people so for own sake I imagined it in a deserted alley or something dbskdn but YES YES YES all of it, robbe screaming that it was real to him and sander wanting to know if there was still a change and robbe saying he clearly made his choice :chefkiss: loved it so much. after all of this party scene and I loved it sm, the messages, robbe being all drunk clingy on purpose 10/10. what’s there to say.. sander I can’t stop thinking about you :’))). bathroom make out? good for them!!! jens will be like “trying to forget him by kissing him? let me know how that works out for you bud”. sander truly went looking for him (like the caption if I remember correctly) let’s hope he’ll follow up with this choice. as I was typing this I remember about a quote that went “I remember you more than I know you” and idk it’s random but it applies to them in some ways so here’s the random quote for today. im beyond amazed by your work, thank you for the amazing story. hope you’ll have a great day, sending you loove 💛💛 -v

oh my god v!!!!!! i am so terribly sorry for replying this late. the way i wish i could give you the biggest hug, i- ❤️ you’re so sweet for sending me this in the first place, don’t worry about when or how, the fact you’re even taking the time to do so means the world to me ❤️ you’re just the absolute sweetest fdjfklsdfj thank you!!! jens is such a good friend and he can really support robbe so well with this, their friendship is so underrated. I KNOW RIGHT, baby boy was so brave and strong. hihihihi sander thought robbe would never find out but he did. lmaooooooo yes their teacher is like ‘’these bitches, they are in love and stubborn and why aren’t they just acting upon it’’. a deserted alley fdjkflsdjf i am laughing so hard, that’s the cutest thing ever. drunk robbe is the best robbe, he’s so cute and clingy and it’s just so soft. jens is like ‘’robbe,,,,, this isn’t what i meant bb’’ but robbe doesn’t care because he’s in luv and he can’t resist sander no matter how hard he tries. sander wants him so badly too, like damn baby kiss him like that even though you ‘’hate him’’ sure sure sure. that quote is so beautiful and i absolutely love it. thank you for sending it to me, it made me smile so bright, also that it made you think of my story. ❤️ i’m beyond in awe of your message and how sweet you are. i am sending you the biggest hug and thank you endlessly again for taking the time to send me this. you have no idea how happy it made me. lots of looooove back and have the bestest day!! ❤️❤️❤️

[letbarbieshavedragons]

I can't help but think, that if characters in S8 had been slightly more in character, and with all the love Dany had for Jon, she wouldn't have refused the Independance of the North if Jon/Sansa asked her for it. I mean, she did grant this wish to Yara, didn't she? Dany would have certainly accepted the Independance of the North, and this could have been one of the best alliance possible against Cersei.

I don’t know if I agree. I mean the truth is, we simply don’t know yet and we may not ever know bc we don’t know how this will go down in the books yet. But I don’t think she would for a few reasons:

1) At the start of s8, the North is no longer an independent country, people keep acting like Dany is taking this from them, like she owes them independence. Jon bent the knee, the North is part of Dany’s kingdom. She is their queen. Any action taken to usurp her place is treason. She doesn’t need to ask for their army, as their queen she is already entitled to their support. There is no alliance to be made, bc the North isn’t a seperate kingdom anymore. Not responding to her call fo aid would be treason.

Let’s be clear, at this point Sansa is asking Dany to give her the North for nothing in return. Dany already has their support and army and Sansa has no rights to Queen ship anymore. She’s completely at the mercy of Dany’s good nature here. (Which is why Sansa’s behavior in s8 makes no sense. Sansa has 100% learned you get more with honey than salt. Yet she is rude to Dany since ep 1 but I digress)

2) The North needs Dany. They can not survive on their own without her. They need Dany for the WW threat and they’ve been out of food since s7 and winter just arrived so they need supplies from the south. So how does that pitch sound?

Hey Dany, like we know Jon bent the knee and all and your already our queen and haven’t done anything accept risk your life and army to save us from a terrible fate of our own creation, but could we please get our independence back? Pretty please 🙏 . Also like we are gonna need some food and resources too. K thnx.

I’m sorry I don’t see Dany going for that and I don’t want her to. Plus when you compare that to the Iron islands who could sustain themselves and were actually offering Dany vital resources, it’s a very different picture. And even then in the books I’m not sure Dany would have accepted.

3) Jon doesn’t really seem to care about Northern Independence, so I don’t think he would ask. Remember in s7 he chose to bend the knee. Dany didn’t extort him. He doesn’t really want to be king and has decided Dany would make a good one. Plus the northern lords didnt seem to care about independence until s8 either. When Jon and Sansa asked for help, almost none of them came to their support. And they seemed fine after Dany saved them anyway. So It’s really only Sansa that wants Indepence and like I said, she has nothing to offer for it.

4) the North is much bigger than the Iron Islands and the Iron Islands have a much longer history of wanting independence. It’s one thing to let a group of Islands go, it’s another thing entirely to let half the continent go. Plus, the Iron Islands have revolted many times in the history of the 7k and the North until Robb has never seemed all that empassioned for independence. Ned even bent the knee to Robert.

5) Also Dany can’t start letting kingdoms go simply bc one person wants to be queen. it’s one thing to let a nation go for support in a time of war to help her get the throne, but if she starts handing out Independence just bc she likes people, then that’s a very dangerous precedent to set. And by s8, there is nothing Sansa can offer her in return.

6) Honestly, we need need to have the discussion if Northern Independence is even a good thing. Because I really don’t think it is. Like all it does is increase the chances that other kingdoms will revolt and increase the chance of war down the line. Sure maybe Sansa and Dany get along or Sansa and Bran, but what about the next rulers? Remember as fucked up as a couple Targ kings were, the creation of the 7 kingdoms has been nothing but prosperous for the people as a whole.

Now there are no more petty kings constantly at war with each other using the common folk at canon fodder for their ambitions. There’s better infrastructure, better laws, a more unified protection from outsiders. The country is much stronger as a whole than in parts. Northern Independence isn’t even what’s better for the North. They get less access to food, less trade, a weaker army, and worse infrastructure. It may be better for Sansa and a few lords specifically but it’s not better for the north as a whole. At all.

Thanks for the ask! sorry it took so long to respond this was a complicated one and I’m still it sure I got all my thoughts down.

[rainhadaenerys]

Sometimes I like to search for my own posts in other sites, especially because my book vs show meta is shared quite a lot. I saw someone share my meta on r/gameofthrones, and without fail, some Sansa stan came to say that I was biased, that I didn’t talk about Dany’s “dark moments” in the books, that show!Dany was actually whitewashed:

Wow. Wow. I am the one that is biased, clearly *sarcasm*. Also notice how this anti doesn’t provide a single book quote to support their wild claims.

“The only reason Dany took Astapor was for an army”

Then why did she free the Unsullied when she didn’t need to? Then why did she delay her invasion of Westeros to stay in Slaver’s Bay freeing slaves? Then why did she refuse Yunkai’s gold, Xaro’s ships, Quentyn’s alliance, all things that would have been given freely to her if she decided to leave, and instead chose to stay to ensure people’s freedom? Also, see this meta:

https://rainhadaenerys.tumblr.com/post/182893726737/tatticstudio55-i-didnt-think-id-have-the#notes

“She was ok with Drogo selling the Lhazareen into slavery, she said it was the price of the Iron Throne”.

Dany was a 14 years old girl who had no experience on war. Antis like to say that Dany convinced Drogo to invade knowing that he was going to enslave people to do it, but this is not an argument supported by the text at all. When Dany asks Drogo to help her take the Seven Kingdoms, no one mentions the need to sell slaves:

The khal's mouth twisted in a frown beneath the droop of his long mustachio. "The stallion who mounts the world has no need of iron chairs."

Dany propped herself on an elbow to look up at him, so tall and magnificent. She loved his hair especially. It had never been cut; he had never known defeat. "It was prophesied that the stallion will ride to the ends of the earth," she said.

"The earth ends at the black salt sea," Drogo answered at once. He wet a cloth in a basin of warm water to wipe the sweat and oil from his skin. "No horse can cross the poison water."

"In the Free Cities, there are ships by the thousand," Dany told him, as she had told him before. "Wooden horses with a hundred legs, that fly across the sea on wings full of wind."

Khal Drogo did not want to hear it. "We will speak no more of wooden horses and iron chairs." He dropped the cloth and began to dress. "This day I will go to the grass and hunt, woman wife," he announced as he shrugged into a painted vest and buckled on a wide belt with heavy medallions of silver, gold, and bronze.

"Yes, my sun-and-stars," Dany said. Drogo would take his bloodriders and ride in search of hrakkar, the great white lion of the plains. If they returned triumphant, her lord husband's joy would be fierce, and he might be willing to hear her out. - Daenerys VI ADWD

That’s it. That’s the moment Dany asks Drogo to help her take the Seven Kingdoms. There’s no mentions of selling slaves at all in their conversation. We don’t even know if Dany is aware or not of what taking the Seven Kingdoms is going to take. Given how young and inexperienced she is, it doesn’t seem like she gave much thought about the ugly aspects of war at all. Besides, it’s only after the wineseller tries to poison Dany that Drogo mentions that he will rape women and enslave children in Westeros, and at this point, Dany doesn’t have much of a say, because Drogo didn’t decide to invade Westeros because Dany asked. He decided to invade Westeros because the lives of wis wife (his property) and his son were threatened. This is an affront to his honor, his decision has nothing to do with pleasing Dany, so if she asks him to give up on invading Westeros, he won’t do it (just like he wouldn’t invade Westeros just because he asked). Dany didn’t seem to be aware of what taking Westeros back with Drogo would take, and after she finds out, she doesn’t really have the power to stop it.

And saying that Dany was ok with enslaving the Lhazareen is a blatant lie:

I am the blood of the dragon, Daenerys Targaryen reminded herself as she turned her face away. She pressed her lips together and hardened her heart and rode on toward the gate.

"Most of Ogo's riders fled," Ser Jorah was saying. "Still, there may be as many as ten thousand captives."

Slaves, Dany thought. Khal Drogo would drive them downriver to one of the towns on Slaver's Bay. She wanted to cry, but she told herself that she must be strong. This is war, this is what it looks like, this is the price of the Iron Throne.

"I've told the khal he ought to make for Meereen," Ser Jorah said. "They'll pay a better price than he'd get from a slaving caravan. Illyrio writes that they had a plague last year, so the brothels are paying double for healthy young girls, and triple for boys under ten. If enough children survive the journey, the gold will buy us all the ships we need, and hire men to sail them."

Behind them, the girl being raped made a heartrending sound, a long sobbing wail that went on and on and on. Dany's hand clenched hard around the reins, and she turned the silver's head. "Make them stop," she commanded Ser Jorah. - Daenerys VII AGOT

Dany has little say in what’s happening here, little agency. She is just the wife of the khal, and what he decides is what happens. This is the very first time Dany is seeing the Dothraki attack anyone (before this, she was just traveling through the Dothraki Sea to Vaes Dothrak). And she is horrified by what she is seeing. Antis love to take the line “this is the price of the Iron Throne” out of context, but looking at the context in which the line is said tells us a very different story: when Dany says "this is war, this is the price of the Iron Throne", she's not saying it because she's ok with slavery. Quite the opposite: she hates what she's seeing, and she says this to convince herself that she doesn't care, to tell herself to be strong. But it doesn't work, Dany can't look past the awful things that she is seeing, and only two paragraphs later, she starts trying to save as many women as she can, in the only way she can: by claiming those women for herself.

By the way, Dany puts herself at a huge risk by trying to protect those women, because she is defying Drogo’s men. When her khas goes to enforce her order, the Dothraki fight, and some men die trying to defend their rights to the spoils of war. Many of the men look at her with cold eyes. These men try to complain to the khal about this, and when Drogo dies and Dany loses the protection of his authority, Dany is in grave danger.

Also see this meta:

https://rainhadaenerys.tumblr.com/post/186687986788/adamparrush-dany-burning-mirri-maaz-duur-alive#notes

“Dany was murdering children in Astapor”

This is just bad reading comprehension, or this person is trying to distort things. Dany didn’t order the killing of children. She ordered only masters and soldiers to be killed, those actively fighting against her to keep slavery. She tell them not to harm any child below 12 to avoid the Unsullied killing innocents. Also, saying “don’t kill anyone under 12″ is not the same thing as saying “kill everyone over 12″, stupid anti.

Also, see this meta:

https://rainhadaenerys.tumblr.com/post/184630644137/hi-i-really-enjoy-your-blog-and-your-meta-i#notes

“Dany didn’t want the entire caravan from Astapor and Yunkai to follow her”

That’s a really dishonest distortion of the facts. This is what Dany actually says:

The raggle-taggle host of freedmen dwarfed her own, but they were more burden than benefit. Perhaps one in a hundred had a donkey, a camel, or an ox; most carried weapons looted from some slaver's armory, but only one in ten was strong enough to fight, and none was trained. They ate the land bare as they passed, like locusts in sandals. Yet Dany could not bring herself to abandon them as Ser Jorah and her bloodriders urged. I told them they were free. I cannot tell them now they are not free to join me. She gazed at the smoke rising from their cookfires and swallowed a sigh. She might have the best footsoldiers in the world, but she also had the worst. - Daenerys IV ASOS

Dany says that the freedmen are a burden. She is simply stating a fact, the freedmen are a burden. But she refuses to abandon them as her advisors urged, because she freaking cares about them, you idiot.

“The pile of bodies was high when she took Meereen”

Of course the pile of bodies was high! A battle to take the city just happened! Usually, when there’s a battle, people die, and there are bodies. I guess this idiot must think that Jon and Robb won all of their battles without killing a single soul. Let’s just pretend that none of Robb’s victories had any pile of bodies. Like, wow. What kind of argument even was this?

“They don’t talk about the torturing of the wineseller’s daughter”

Another blatantly lie. I do talk about the torture of the wineseller’s daughters in my books vs show meta, let me quote what I wrote here:

4) Then, after Dany executes Mossador in the name of a fair trial, she decides to throw “fair trial” out of the window by feeding one of the slavers to her dragons for revenge. This is something that never happens in the books. The closest we have to a problematic action like this is when Dany allows the wineseller’s daughters to be tortured. But this isn’t anywhere near as dark as feeding people to her dragons, for various reasons: 1) because Dany’s actions in the books are inserted in a context in which torture is seen as a normal and legitimate means of investigation by the society. Dany is not the only one that does this, and even honorable Jon Snow considers throwing Janos Slynt in an ice cell to force him to comply, and later throws Cregan Karstark in one. So Dany’s actions in the books are lawful, while in the show, they are not; 2) because Dany was trying to investigate. She was angry about what happened, but revenge was not the only motivation; 3) in the books, Dany learns a lesson from this and becomes the only ruler in ASOIAF to explicitly forbid torture.

Another thing that makes the dragon feeding scene so bad is that Dany tells the masters that she doesn’t care who’s innocent or not. But book Daenerys does care about it:

“We have no proof this is their work. Would you have me slaughter my own subjects?” – Daenerys IV ADWD

Feeding people to her dragons in the show was a criminal action taken by show Dany, and it was made out of revenge, with show Dany saying that she doesn’t care about innocence. This is very different from Dany in the books, and much much darker.

“They don’t talk about Dany enslaving people once she becomes queen”

I don’t talk about this because this never happened. Dany does allow people to sell themselves back into slavery, but only if they want to, and she very clearly doesn’t want to allow it:

Dany was shocked. “They want to be slaves?”

“The ones who come are well spoken and gently born, sweet queen. Such slaves are prized. In the Free Cities they will be tutors, scribes, bed slaves, even healers and priests. They will sleep in soft beds, eat rich foods, and dwell in manses. Here they have lost all, and live in fear and squalor.”

“I see.” Perhaps it was not so shocking, if these tales of Astapor were true. Dany thought a moment. “Any man who wishes to sell himself into slavery may do so. Or woman.” She raised a hand. “But they may not sell their children, nor a man his wife.” - Daenerys VI ASOS

Dany does this because she thinks it’s for the best. Because people convince her that otherwise, those people will live in fear and squalor. But she makes it very clear that no one is allowed to force another person into slavery. And actually, the majority of the former slaves choose to remain free. I write in more detail about this here:

https://rainhadaenerys.tumblr.com/post/182694132667/do-the-slaves-of-westeros-really-want-danys-help#notes

“They don’t talk about how Dany treated Irri”

You mean how Irri started to have sex with Dany on her own free will without Dany ever asking her? You mean how Dany treats Irri wih dignity, respects her consent, and makes it very clear to Irri that she doesn’t have to have sex with her if she doesn’t want it?

"Should I pleasure the khaleesi?"Dany stepped away from her. "No. Irri, you do not need to do that. What happened that night, when you woke . . . you're no bed slave, I freed you, remember? You . . ." - Daenerys II ASOS

Talk all you want about power difference, but Dany respected Irri’s consent, she treated her with dignity.

See also this meta:

https://rainhadaenerys.tumblr.com/post/187867805480/hiya-mindset-love-your-blog-i-was-reading#notes

And they continued on their bullshit:

They repeat a lot of the stuff I already refuted here, but there are some more:

“Jorah killed Rhaego, not MMD”

Mirri Maz Duur admits she killed Rhaego when Dany accuses her:

Dany gestured at Ser Jorah and the others. "Leave us. I would speak with this maegi alone." Mormont and the Dothraki withdrew. "You knew," Dany said when they were gone. She ached, inside and out, but her fury gave her strength. "You knew what I was buying, and you knew the price, and yet you let me pay it."

"It was wrong of them to burn my temple," the heavy, flat-nosed woman said placidly. "That angered the Great Shepherd."

"This was no god's work," Dany said coldly. If I look back I am lost. "You cheated me. You murdered my child within me." 

"The stallion who mounts the world will burn no cities now. His khalasar shall trample no nations into dust." - Daenerys IX AGOT

MMD killed an innocent child for revenge, and to prevent a supposed future. She admits it.

"She said to kill everyone in a tokar, this is every freeborn”

No, the tokar is not worn by every freeborn. The tokar is a master’s garment, and it makes it impossible to work. Those who wore it are only those who have the wealth and power and don’t have to work, aka, the freaking slave masters:

The garment was a clumsy thing, a long loose shapeless sheet that had to be wound around her hips and under an arm and over a shoulder, its dangling fringes carefully layered and displayed. Wound too loose, it was like to fall off; wound too tight, it would tangle, trip, and bind. Even wound properly, the tokar required its wearer to hold it in place with the left hand. Walking in a tokar demanded small, mincing steps and exquisite balance, lest one tread upon those heavy trailing fringes. It was not a garment meant for any man who had to work. The tokar was a master's garment, a sign of wealth and power. - Daenerys I ADWD

Ugh. Then they went on:

Again, this freaking obsession antis have to convince people that they loooooove Daenerys. I could go on refuting this idiot, but it can be summed up in “You Dany stans can’t see things objectively, I’m the only one that uses logic, blah, blah, blah”. They go on to complain that Dany killed soldiers (none of their faves ever killed soldiers, right?), to say that Dany killed slaves and freed people (no, she didn’t), that you can’t see things in black and white and divide the situation into slavers and slaves (I guess they’re trying to say that Dany is bad for killing some supposedly nice slavers), blah, blah blah.

Sorry if I went off, everyone. This made me really angry. Apparently, I’m the biased one that distorts things, and not this idiot.

[morshiberna]

I DIDNT THINK ID BE EMO AGAIN BUT @glorious-technicolor IS DOING THIS TO ME SO

LISTEN. LISSSSSSTEEEEEEEEEN. IM STILL NOT OVER THEIR SMILES IN THAT PICTURE. I JUST CANT GET OVER IT. THEYRE JUST. SO HAPPY. SO SO SO SO HAPPY. AND THE FACT THAT BEING TOGETHER MAKES THEM THIS HAPPY IS JSUT. OH MY GOD. OH MY FUCKING GOD. LIKE. BEING WITH EACH OTHER MAKES THEM FEEL SO GOOD. LIKE???????? THE FIRST DATE FOR EXAMPLE???????? THE WAY THEY WERE ALL SMILEY AND GIGGLEY AND COULDNT STOP TOUCHING ONE ANOTHER. GOOD GOD GOOOOOOOOOOOD GOD. AND THEY JUST GET TO BE THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY TRUST EACH OTHER THAT MUCH. AND THATS JUST SOMETHING SO FUCKING BEAUTIFUL TO HAVE??????? BIG BEST FRIENDS ENERGY!!!!!!!!!!!! LIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOENSDAG 16:36!!!!!!!!!!!! HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEYRE ABLE TO LAUGH AND JOKE AND PILLOW FIGHT BUT THEYRE ALSO ABLE TO TALK ABOUT STUFF LIKE THE PARALLEL UNIVERSE THEORY AND THE FEELING OF LONELINESS?????????? AND THIS BEST FRIENDS ENERGY JUST KEEPS GETTING STRONGER WITH TIME!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY CAN TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING AND HAVE FUN AND SUPPORT EACH OTHER AND CONFIDE IN EACH OTHER AND THEYRE SO COMFORTABLE IN EACH OTHERS PRESENCE. AND ON TOP OF THAT THEYRE LOVERS???????? GOD TIER TRULY GOD TIER. BEST FRIENDS AND LOVERS EXCELLENCE RIGHT THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CAN U FCUKIGNGN BELIEVEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ALSO IM SO FUCKING HAPPY THAT FOR EXAMPLE SANDER GETS TO TALK ABOUT BOWIE ALL HE WANTS AND ROBBE CARES AND ROBBE LISTENS. LIKE. I CANT EVEN BEGIN TO IMAGINE HOW MUCH IT MEANS TO HIM TO HAVE FOUND A BEST FRIEND IN HIS LOVER. AND ROBBE. REMEMBER THE MESSAGES WHEN ROBBE WAS PREPARING FOR EXAMS???????? “COME ON YOU HAVE TO MAKE ME PROUD”??????? “WOU DAK BIJ U WAS SUCCES MORGEN HOU VAN U”????????? SANDER CARES SO MUCH ABOUT ROBBES STUDIES BECAUSE HE KNOWS HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO ROBBE. AND IF THAT ISNT BIG BEST FRIENDS ENERGY I DONT KNOW WHAT IS. IN CONCLUSION THEY ARE MY SONS AND I LOVE THEEEEMMMMMMMMMMMM

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hi sam, love your blog xx why do you think ned didnt ask robert to legitimise jon snow - ik it probably has something to do with r+l=j but is there another reason? also couldn’t ned have told catelyn and jon about jon’s real parents and saved all 3 of them a lot of grief? how do you think that would have changed ned and jon’s relationship thank u in advance xxx

Greetings anon and thank you!

why do you think ned didnt ask robert to legitimise jon snow - ik it probably has something to do with r+l=j but is there another reason?

This is a nonstarter for multiple reasons. For one, Jon’s bastardy affords him a great deal of protection since etiquette prevents questions about his parentage to emerge because it is considered rude to pry into the origin of natural children. It’s normal for men to father bastards in Westeros so no one blinks at Ned claiming that he did; in fact it’s treated as a piece of juicy gossip.But if he was to attempt to legitimize Jon, he’d invite scrutiny onto Jon and himself since many would rightly wonder why he being so unorthodox with his bastard son. It would definitely draw Robert’s attention to Jon which is something Ned actively wanted to avoid. He really didn’t need Robert or Jon Arryn looking too close at Jon’s origins.

On a personal note, such at attempt would annihilate Ned’s relationship with Catelyn. Legitimizing Jon hurts Cat on a deep personal level because she loves Ned and was already haunted by the thought that he loved another so deeply that he defied social norms for her child. Ned also loves Catelyn and the inherent callousness towards her in the act of legitimizing Jon would not only trash the loving relationship they had, but would probably reverberate through the entire family as his children with her were caught between their love for their brother and father, and their love for their mother.This irrevocably messes the family dynamic and would come at the cost of several familial relationships.

As far as the politics of this goes, it should be noted that acts of legitimization are rare enough in Westeros and when they do happen, it’s almost always in cases where there is no direct heir to a house and succession is unclear. It is almost unheard of for a lord to legitimize a bastard child when he has living legitimate children and the one case where that happened with Aegon IV’s decree to naturalize all his bastard children led to the Blackfyre rebellions and generations of war. Which makes for an extremely disconcerting example that bred a sociopolitical disinclination to legitimize bastards, especially in the presence of trueborn siblings. It is one thing to demand that Catelyn put up with Jon’s presence in Winterfell but it’s another thing entirely to make such a public statement about how much Ned favors him (to the possible detriment of his other children) and elevate him to where he could easily endanger Catelyn’s own children. Cat was already concerned about Jon’s prospective danger and had the Blackfyres in mind, it certainly would not help if Jon drew such a direct parallel to Daemon Blackfyre through his legitimization and if she has to contend with legitimate questions about what kind of message this might send to Ned’s bannermen or whether this was a prelude to Jon supplanting Robb. One only needs to look to Cat’s reaction to Robb’s decision to legitimize Jon for an idea of how badly she’d react to such a move from Ned. Those were concerns she lived with for years, since she came to the North as a not-sure-footed outsider with her Riverrrun-born, Tully-looking son only to find a Stark-looking baby already installed in Winterfell.

couldn’t ned have told catelyn and jon about jon’s real parents and saved all 3 of them a lot of grief?

It is not that simple, alas. This is a very dangerous secret that Ned has to be very careful with. As he reflects…

Some secrets are safer kept hidden. Some secrets are too dangerous to share, even with those you love and trust.

He is not wrong here. I’ve always thought that Jon deserved to know the truth, especially before he could be allowed to sign his life away to the Night’s Watch, but I can see where Ned is coming from. The more people know about this, the more danger to Jon is and the more Ned risks exposure. Also, this is information that directly puts anyone privy to it in danger too. It’s safer for everyone to keep this secret to himself.

Of course, we can’t talk about the possibility of telling anyone without taking Ned’s mental and emotional state into account. Revealing the truth means that Ned would have to work through a lot of psychological issues at a much faster pace that he was shown to be capable of, in a society that has no grasp on things like trauma or how to help someone work through it. More relevant, perhaps, is the question of how that reveal might or might not change the state of affairs in Winterfell since revealing Jon’s parentage is often accredited with being a relatively easy fix to what issues arose from Jon’s presence there. Personally, I think that telling Catelyn the truth is a monumentally bad idea. It would certainly go a long way in alleviating Jon’s internalized shame that was born out of Ned’s refusal to identify or even talk about his mother, and in easing Catelyn’s hurt over Ned’s supposed infidelity, but this reveal has plenty of political ramifications that makes it almost impossible for Ned to tell Catelyn the truth. Keep in mind that Catelyn’s main problem with Jon wasn’t about her hurt feelings but rather about the political threat he posed to her children. The truth doesn’t mitigate the danger Jon could pose to Cat’s children, it makes it exponentially worse. Ned was committing treason by harboring Jon fully knowing that Robert’s anger would be murderous if he found out. Telling Catelyn the truth places her in a terrible position where she is either made complicit in Ned’s treason and forced to keep a secret she never signed up for (while perpetuating a threat to her own children), or she has to sacrifice both Ned and Jon to save her own children.

By telling Catelyn the truth, Ned would have placed both her and Jon in danger. Cat by involving her in Ned’s lie, and Jon by expanding the circle of those who know his identity and by making it that his life could be the price of keeping Robb, Sansa, Arya, Bran and Rickon safe. Indeed, Ned explicitly expresses his concern over what Catelyn’s choice would be if it came down to Jon’s life against her own children’s.

Ned thought, If it came to that, the life of some child I did not know, against Robb and Sansa and Arya and Bran and Rickon, what would I do? Even more so, what would Catelyn do, if it were Jon’s life, against the children of her body? He did not know. He prayed he never would.

Pulling back a little from the worst case scenario, it remains certain to my mind that Catelyn would not react well to the truth about Jon’s paternity. I can see her urging Ned to keep the truth from Jon lest he get any ideas about launching a campaign for the Iron Throne or any such crazy ruinous idea. I definitely think she’d actively want Jon to join the Night’s Watch to neutralize his prospective danger and she’d still want him away from Robb so that her son wouldn’t get dragged into any potential conflict involving Jon.

how do you think that would have changed ned and jon’s relationship

If Ned tells Jon the truth? Depends on when he tells him I guess. Problem is that this is not a piece of information that I can see Ned entrusting to a child. It’s too precious and too dangerous so I don’t think that Ned would gamble with Jon’s life by telling him too soon when a misplaced word at the wrong time or in front of the wrong person could expose the truth. That means that Jon would still internalize the idea that Ned was ashamed of his mother or that he abandoned her, or that she abandoned Jon. The truth also does not change the prejudice Jon faces as a bastard and would increasingly bring some horrific realizations for him. I think it’s a given that the truth would bring Jon a lot of pain and sorrow for how it distances him from the identity he spent his entire life dreaming of, and for how it “replaces” the father he loves and respects with, well, Rhaegar Targaryen. I don’t think he’d react well to the fact that Ned lied to him for so many years, but at least the truth would come from Ned himself instead of a third party like what will happen in canon. It’s a lot better for Jon to hear this from Ned and to have him there to try to mitigate the shock and the ramifications of that reveal. That could be really substantial. Ned has acted as Jon’s father his entire life and something as simple as reaffirming that, no matter his biological paternity, Ned is Jon’s father and the Starklings are his siblings would go a long way in making the truth easier for Jon. That’s extremely valuable for Jon’s emotional state.And since telling the truth means that Ned had somewhat worked through his trauma enough to tell Jon, it’s possible that he’d be willing to share some information about Lyanna which would ease Jon’s deep wounds over not knowing anything about his mother.

[saltyafmf-blog]

Davos, Edd and Tormund & BRIENNE OF FUCKING TARTH, also why Daenarys isn't the one for Jon(also I'm the Valonqar of Jonareys)

Ever since Jon and Sansa reunited the intense breathing, the constant eye fucking that they do with each other and all of that innappropiate tension, three men and Brienne, have literally been the only few people in the show to see the tension, like when Dadvos said "jon isn't a stark" and sansa replies "no, but I am"

She literally and very subtly proposed to Jon, and Davos and Edd shoot a look at each other

Like our Boi GRRM, Jon has a major thing for redheads, partly because Catelyn never gave him love, so in a way Jon tries to find a redhead that he can get validation as well as support, and Jon does the same for Sansa, he understands how she felt after everything she went through (Joffery, Ramsey & littlefinger and in the books there's like 2 other dudes who want Sansa's claim to winterfell) so she's been abused, raped and defiled, she feels at her strongest when Jon is with her, he also sees her need for recognition, remember Jon would have died at the BoTB or as I like to say bastardbowl, if Sansa hadn't gone to Moat Cailin to get the KoTV, Jon would have been food for Ramsay's dogs, it was her who won the battle. All being said and done, Jon does feel indebted to Sansa, she was in the prime leadership spot, but Northern Lords crowned Jon, he doesn't want the Crown, but he doesn't want Sansa to be fucked over by the power the Northern Crown gives her, he loves her and wants to protect her.

Also just wanted to point out that Jon didn't tell Danny much, she knows about Robb and Rickon, then later finds out that Arya and Bran are alive, which only happened because the raven was sent to Dragonstone and seen as Danny controls the area, she's obviously gonna know what's on the scroll. Then there's the whole Jon dying thing that was abruptly stopped by Jon when Dadvos said "he gave his own lif-" then later Danny sees that he was stabbed. Also Jon knew Maester Aemon Targaryen, why didnt Jon say anything? He doesn't trust her, she's impulsive and she's bathed in her own words "fire and blood", Jon gave away as much as SHE needed to know.

And when Jon left WF, Sansa didn't stop looking in Jon's direction the entire fucken time, and the Littlefingers like (hmm, when brothers and sister develop certain feelings towards each other) and then from there, he begins taunting Sansa, by saying "ive heard the silver headed gorgeous devil is beautiful and jon is young and unmarried, then Sansa is like "what?! You think Jon wants to marry her" Littlefinger was purposefully trying to get a reaction out of her, which he got, from both Sansa and Jon and you Jonareys bros have got to admit, there was so much Jealousy coming from Sansa I could smell it from Winterfell to fucking Dorne.

There's also a scene that was deleted or not shot (I can't remember which one) but Jon talks to Ghost before leaving WF, it supposedly says that Jon told Ghost to watch over Sansa, now I know Ghost protects people that Jon cares for as evident when Sam was protecting Gilly from Bros of The Nights Watch beat the shit out of Sam and then Ghost comes in and scares the fuck out of them, but Jon didn't tell Ghost to watch over Sam, yet he told Ghost to watch over Sansa... coincidence.... I think not.

Jon and Sansa Sibling Upbring was literally non existent, they never really had much to say Jon was busy brooding or dodging Catelyn, where Sansa wanted to become a proper Lady, she even says something along the lines of "Jon is jealous of Joffery, but he's sad because he's a bastard" she even asks him to forgive her when they Reunite at Castle Black, who else got shivers when that Hug happened?

Also the background theme music and Clothes worn by Jon and Sansa match like fucking when couples got matching Onesies, like bro when Jon went to Dragonstone he was all clad in black with subtle hints of grey and blue, whereas Sansa and Jon are matching clothes since S7 Ep1. Did anyone else get freaked out about Danny's background themes, the music was Dark and ominous as fuck, also look at how she dressed, she wore scales on her dress when arriving at Dragonstone, but as Jon is there, you can actually see that her outfits are going from less scaley to normal westerosi types of clothes to please Jon, to make herself seem more normal and less dragonlike.

Also when Danny loses her Dornish and Ironborn allies, she wants to use Drogon, Viserion and Rhaegal, Davos then says "you'll want to discuss this between yourselves", then Danny says "you will stay" and then proceeds to ask Jon what she should do and Jon gives her that speech, but what I found weird was the look Jon gave her after he said all this, it's like he knows that Danny will listen to him and Tyrion gives sort of weird one, Tyrion by the end of the season has no traction at all with Danny, she's stopped listening and going on Crazy rants, Tyrion understands the consequences of Danny listening to Jon, you guys have got to understand this isn't the first time Jon has played someone, remember the whole Jon/Wilding Arc? It was to show that Jon isn't who you think he is.

Season 7 is SUBTEXT

Then there's Neds Promise to Sansa "when you come of age, I'll find you someone who is worth of you, brave and strong but kind" ahem ahem sounds like Jon... ding ding ding ding we have a winner JON FUCKING BROODING IN A CORNER SOMEWHERE SNOW

It's okay Jonareys shippers, I have come to destroy your fleets and cast you aside, but unlike Danny, I won't set you on fire with a dragon, I'll let Arya behead you bitches, cus if you guys can't see how everything Jon is doing is for the North and who's in the North? Who did the KiTN leave the North too? I mean my man turns into a fucking bear and pins Littlefinger against a wall, like I got sister's who got boyfriends and you don't see or hear of anyone choke slamming a potential suitor into a brick fuckin wall??? Also just to sink your ship even further

Jon - "i'd uh bend the knee but" (everything before the word but is horseshit) I mean look at the Gif below, Daenarys is looking with lust and passion, but Jon looks like he just wants to get it over and done with (in Petyr Baelish's words "when you find yourself in bed with an ugly woman, best to close your eyes and get it over with) I AM NOT CALLING DANNY UGLY, I'm just trying to find evidence that matches with what's going on in Westeros

Jon's cold arrival on Dragonstone, she literally takes his boat and Longclaw and says "yeah but nah but yeah, I'm not here to argue grammar" (which is a major ass call back to Season 2 when Danny wants ships)

Jon is the motherfucking Heir to the IT, which weakens Danny's claim to it (She might be the mother of dragons, but law is law, yes she's allowed to go to war for that throne, but westeros has Legitmacy laws, and succession laws, either fucking way, he's got the better claim but so does Gendry) with her being Third in line when Aerys the 2nd was alive, and if you follow succession, it goes Rhaegar, Viserys and then Danny, but because Jon is Rhaegar' s heir he inherits the throne because Rhaegar was meant to inherit the throne after his father's death and after Rhaegar' s death at the Trident, the throne goes to Jon (Also when Ned arrives at the tower of Joy, Ser Arthur Dayne says to "I wish you good fortune in the wars to come, Lord Stark" and they start fighting but Ser Arthur Dayne said that cus he expected Ned to go to war with Robert cus Jon is the king) Also his Queen is in the Gif below

Sansa is the key to the North and Jon knows it, he knows when he's back in the North, the northern lords will be pissed af at him, but if he marries Sansa he gets to keep the North (remember Jon doesn't want the 7K, he wants the North to be secure and free)

Danny is literally 2 fucking Tsar Bombas (really powerful nukes) and when she realises that Jon was playing the game, she is gonna use them (season 2, house of the undying, the visions she has) Kings Landing is literally what Danny wants and I'm more than willing to bet she's gonna turn Drogon and Rhaegal loose on Kings Landing, what do you guys think she's willing to do to the North?

She burnt Poor Dickon and Cunt Randyll, which is Sam's dad and bro, like I know he was a dick, but your dad and your brother is family, and Sam has strong family values, do you really think Jon will be pleased to hear this? I think the fuck not

Also I get a weird feeling Jon is gonna bond with Rhaegal which for Danny *insert "where are my dragons" meme here* (She loves her "kids" and like any mom during a custody battle, it's going to turn Sour)

Also Sansa is a big threat, she not a "stupid little girl" anymore, she's been forming Alliances, she knows Houses from KL and all the way to the wall, Danny might have nukes (dragons) but what she gonna do burn everyone? ("I'm not here to be Queen of the ashes" but bitch if you carry on the way your are, there's gonna be no one left, what she gonna rule over? "A graveyard", when Jon said this something didn't sit right with me

Did anyone notice that when Jon went beyond the wall him and Jorah Mormont had a convo about his kids and Longclaw, the stark theme music started playing and guess who the fak turns up into the Frame???? SANSA MOTHERFUDGING, LEMON CAKE STARK.

My point being it's not gonna work for long between Jon And Danny, it's a song of ice and fire, not ice and fire and fire, also you motherfuckers are okay when Jon is slipping Longclaw into Danny's pussy, who is his aunt ( like who the fuck fucks their aunt?) But you guys can't stomach Jonsa? Got a problem leave it in the comments, I'll fucken slay you with facts fight me turd, also I kind of trailed off here

Also if you guys think Danny's pregnancy is gonna go full term, you guys are clearly fucken dumb, the magic in the world if ice and fire is coming to an end, all the giants are dead, the children of the forrest all but forgotten, and the direwolves will outlive them all but there time will come to an end for men shall outlive them all, for man has no room for Direwolves, eventually they too will die, Danny has two Dragons which are magic, Daenarys is fucken fireproof (She isn't fireproof in the books) that to me sound like magic, I'm not gonna say that Danny is gonna die cus S8 isn't out yet, but if you guys think that there gonna be another Targ baby (born of pure Targaryen lineage) your sadly mistaken, I really do think Danny is barren, Daario Naharis wasn't firing blanks at her, she just can't get preggers. JON WAS JUST TESTING TO SEE HOW DANNY KNEW SHE WAS BARREN AND THEN THE BOATBANG WAS LEGIT JUST A FUCKING WAY OF ENSURING THAT SHE WILL GO NORTH AND FIGHT THE DEAD BECAUSE JON KNOWS THAT SHE LOVES HIM

In the words of THE BASTARD OF THE DREADFORT "if you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention"

*sips wine, lights cigarette, watches the entire Jonareys fandom burn, like Lady Olenna but I'm male so more of a Tywin I guess*

[yvvaine]

I used to ship j0nerys until s7 happened then it all ended the moment jon says”I wish you good fourtune in the wars to come” like daaamm boi that was colder than the winter winds lol so after rewatching all of the seasons I got to s6 again&i was like wtf how did I miss jonsa then I checked out both tags&I was so intrigued by the depth of all the jonsa metas all the signs I missed in the show&books(good j0nerys metas are nonexistent)I have to be anon as I fear the J/D ignorance I will receive lol

The whole season was off tbh. I mean the intro b/w the two wasnt toooo bad (they couldve set it up friends to enemies to lovers trope) but everything after that was so go damn cringe worthy

and its little things like that!!! I mean they know how to do romance (and romance in a short time frame; Talisa and Robb anyone???) Plus, the only time that specific line is said like that in the show (theres between ned and arthur, mance and baratheon) is between two enemies (and one ends up dying by the hands of the other too) like how is that not forshadowing????? the fact that he always looks constipated around her, fidgity, wanting to BLATANLY gtfo, never opens up to her (though she tries to open up to him i guess? I see her crush on him, emilia’s eyes are very expressive that way, but d e f not both ways) no real smiles, bonding, jokes, talks, passion (boatfail lmao) a good first kiss, literally anything that makes a romance, well romantic

plus, personality wise, theyre not compatiable at ALL. as danys journey goes on, she’s slowly morphing into everything she never wanted to be. blinded by power (that isnt even hers for the taking). If she had a good heart why didnt she just go to help  w the night king (who is a direct threat to people she SAYS she wants to rule and has the best intent for) and deal with all the political stuff after? Cersei would still be there. When Jon had first arrived, she’d still have her alliances to go back to. Plus when he first came she hadnt gained any territory yet either. Why did she say shed only help if he agreed to her demand of subservience??? from a strictly strategical point of view, thats kinda dumb. its comeplely uneccasary from him to bend the knee for her to help. she wouldnt lose anything. in fact, if anything PR wise that wouldve been a great move for, to elimate the threat to literally everyones entire existance, claim victory in the name of westeros as the HERO of westeros, not the foreign conqoureror, and position her self as the champion of the people (compared to cersei) in the name of the people. making bending the knee a requirement for her to help was extremely unnecessary and in the end detrimental. I mean now she has nothing to go to the north in her favor for. If she went before that she’d be the benevalant queen coming to help their king bc she cared about people, and after they were triumphant he could bend the knee and i doubt anyone would complain too much once they saw that she went into the fight w/o ulterior motives etc

And anyways, how is a one sided, psuedo-subserviant relationship not toxic? How is that a relationship to look up to? What kind of role model relationship is that? a freaking bad one I dear say 

and yes, the lack of metas always astounded me, even when i shipped them. I mean liked them originally bc of all the “parallels” and stuff but the more i analyzed them, it became clear that they were f o i l s, not parrallels.

 I actually stumbled on jonsa by accident. As i slowly became to like Dany’s complex character not as an anti-hero figure, but as the “villian of the other side” or the accidental villian trope, it was around the time i was appreciating sansa more and more. She’s vastly underrated and underestimated both in the show and by fans outside of it, capable and smart. 

The thing that struck me most out of s7 was the spoils of war episode, which focused heavily, as a minor detail, on food. At first Daenerys was complaining that she had nothing to feed her extremely large army, that Cersei was already mobolizing all the food in the reach for her own favor. Then we have cersei bragging how she’s taking all the food, basically to fortify the capital and also making it so Dany wouldnt have any, that she could starve them out so to speak. Then we have Sansa, orginizing a way that she could insure the houses under her control had enough food for themselves, but also asking them to send a fair amount to her, so when things hit the fan, these houses and the pople of the north could flee to winterfell, the largest and strongest northern base, and they’d have enough food to feed everyone already living there plus the influx of refugees despite the extremely harsh winter approaching. Then of course, we have Dany’s feild of fire 2.0 where she first went after the soldiers, then deliberately targeting the food meant to feed the people of westeros during the winter (and the food she jsut complained about needing), then back to the soldiers. 

Out of all the potential queens, I made my choice there. 

Jonsa snuck up on me. I so much loved their relationship in s6, it was so beautiful, the bonding, the reunion, the support of one other. I liked that they argued over legitimate differences, before settling on a choice. I read a few jonsa metas then, and at that point i was pretty much okay with either option, but once s7 came i completly and fully jumped ship so to speak. I re analyzed my take on dany, my opinion on jon’s characterization, and reaffirmed my love for sansa. I read more jonsa metas and coupled with such a warm fandom that jonsa has (we can actually debate diff point of views respectfully for one, we support each other for two - kinda like jon and sansa’s relationship lmao) alas was hooked!

Im sorry for the fear of coming off anon :/ for a while I kept my mouth shut too, and when i finally went more public I got some similar treatment so I entirely understand

[motherofkittens94]

tagged by @greyjoysea and @staryjoy 

GOT PREFERENCES

Do you watch the episodes when they air? usually not being a brit who doesnt have hbo  i watch like a day or two later when it airs on sky Atlantic  or on now  tv the first three i watched on dvd from a friend who had the boxset it was when we were sharing a house walked in  the logue one  Morning and she watching it and its that bit where the mountain cuts off the horses head and im like what the hell are you watching ?? i just woke up i wasnt expecting violence this early in the morning ? and then sat down and watched it with her and im like and watched the whole rest of season   one and im like what the hell is this show  ??  ....is there more ?? btw my brother said he got half way through season one and said it  was boring im like season ones the best ?? and hes like oh i dont enjoy  historical drama im not interested in medieval history and im like face palm he thinks this is historical and he also doesnt like history wtf i mean  how am  i related to this fool but yeah thats tangent  and i told him get to ep nine so he could see ned stark beheading he said maybe but if i agreed to watch stranger things with him lol :/ 

How often do you rewatch it? Do you rewatch it from season one? ive re watched all the way  it through a few times but usually would only watch my fav episodes ive seen the red wedding so many times though because wed always watch it with some friend whos just getting into and hasnt seen that one yet so we can see their reaction 

Do you rewatch the previous episode before the next one airs? Not usually on each  occasion but my aunt and uncle always do so when i watch with them i do  

Do you eat anything while watching? if so, what do you eat? not usually a proper meal but  i might have snack like crisps or popcorn unless its a glory scene 

One character that everyone seems to like that you don’t care much for hmm cersei ?? and i didnt lime petyr baelish much but he seemed popular at least among my friends  but i do agree he shouldnt had a better death scene they took all the cleverness out of him and though i hadnt liked him it was a shame in a way like the couldnt find way him to go down in a clever interesyting way so they had to dumb him right down  book pb wouldnt get caught like that people like show euron apparently me  hmm not show much to put it nicely also ave mixed feelings about stannis book book and show wise and i like jon but hes not the ultimate  hyped favourite like he is with a lot of people and perfer theon to him tbh 

Your 3 favourite pairings Throbb theonsa jon ygritte jaime brienne thats four but theres two theons so 

Favourite scene: robb getting crowded any scene where theon smiles  theons monologue  theon and sansa hug jon and sansa arya sansa hug jon and ygritte kissing on the wall jaime jumping to save brienne theons speeches both tyrions speeches both but the one in season one was really funny tyrion dragging the chair across the room when everyone is is science idk that cracked  me up bronn duelling for tyrion the one where Catelyn announces to everyone that (she thinks)  tyrion tried to kill bran cause that was the first ep id seen thats the bit that got me hooked  theon getting back up and fighting that ironborn guy pdrick saving tyrion  and i still maintain that viserys had the best death also not to be a basic bitch but that first time dany does her fire thing in season one i was #stunned 

One character you wish got more appreciation: theon duh #nomoredickjokes2018 but also meera and jojen too i suppose  and shireen and sansa and they could've (shouldve) done more with myrcella and tommen   and brienne too was underused and gendry also idk if if i like the way the tried to iron the grey parts out of tyrion and jon  and bran i wish they done brans story better and wed have got that tree scene with theon also as a disabled gal  certain comments some people make about uselessness of bran sometimes make me uncomfy tbh 

Fanfic or nah? i usually only read theon based ones and thats usually just theon robb theon sansa or sometimes theon jeyne p cause i cant do bolton heavy stuff im a whimp  but i read the occasion jon / ygritte or jaime / brienne and once i tried theon jon  but i wasnt sold soz :/ i read theon ygritte once as well  that actualy worked surprising well and theon domeric .. aha  thats mine  and @blueagia s baby  

but i guess id be open to others maybe 

Favourite quote:  from just the show ?  meeras some people will always need help that doesnt mean theyre not worth helping  also tyrions death is so final but life is full of possibilities and   mind needs books as a sword needs a whetstone if it is to keep its edge. That's why I read so much Jon Snow also sansas not a killer .. not yet anyway sansa - or maybe hell give me yours theons sy he is is theon greyjoy again also i like that quote about theons smile but obvi thats not in the show bronns this is bronn son of .. you wouldnt know him  just because it was funny 

Do you avoid spoilers? :  i do because im a blabber if i know id tell everyone omg this happens and that - i dont do on purpose really not with the intention of spoiling it for people  i just blurt it out like  i ruined he Rains of Castamere for someone once by saying oh is this one where robb dies ? and i didnt realise she hadnt seen it  yet and shes like robb dies :( :( and im  like oh umm i meant ...  rob - ert baratheon obviously ! haha whoops and i told someone else about jofferys death because shed said she seen it all  but she said later  i wish joffrey would die and  i was lil tipsey then so im like  .. but he does die ? youve seen it right? in season 4 ? hes poisoned ?  at his wedding ? to Margaery?? and shes like ....thanks beth ..... turns outs shed only  seen season 1-3 whoops again but hey i was drunk  that time so i  now avoid spoilers to avoid spoiling people and when i read the books my then housemates told me not to tell them what was different in case they wanted to read the books later on and didnt want me to spill and i did try to keep to it but i blabbed a few things tbh 

Favourite house words: We do not sow greyjoys ftw 

One character you’d bring back from the dead: ygritte shireen  robb maybe catelyn  and hoder !!

One character you’d kill, or kill sooner than they were killed balon greyjoy also ramsay but i wouldve done  it differently and theon shouldve been there or at least known about it also randyll tarly like fuck that guy ive seen people defending him and im like no offense but you are serious me and a friend had a bet on the boltons i bet against roose dying and he bet against ramsay dying we both lost lmao 

Direwolves or dragons? Dragons 

Which was more satisfying: Ramsay dying or Joffrey dying? hmm i actually joffrey probably because it was more unexpected i didnt see it coming i didnt think hed die  -i wanted ramsay to die and i wanted to like ramsay dying  and wished i had liked it more but it wasnt  done  the way i wanted it and it seemed so obvious like it wasnt a shock like joffrey dying was  i think in a way they over did ramster and just ran out f things fro him to do that he hadnt already like i was like hmm sewating nevously what can we do now ...err  kill your dad! kill a baby! kill  a stark  kill .. jon snow ...??  aye fuck it get rid of guy ay 

 i liked season six   better than season 7 or 5 but it made me lol in a way cause it seemed like they went ok ok you didnt like it last time when we killed all the women we heard you! we did ! weve changed things yes  so how about this instead ...   the woman kill everyone ! yea ? you like that ? we good now ?  sweet as ! put more women killing eveyone into season 7 dave we on the money 

Wildlings or the dothraki? Wildlings

Favourite lannister?  Tyrion but jaimes growing on me 

Favourite stark? i think sansa tbh 

Would you rather be able to be resurrected anytime, but gain scars and all like Beric, or become a faceless man? Resurrect any time like Beric

Would you rather have the rebellion tv show or the conquest tv show?  id pefer Rebellion but id watch a conquest show i think 

tagging @saltwaterwoods @whiteladyofrohann  @unamatta  @wedonnotcare @faller1344 @starkrysis @iladylittlefinger if you want to :) 

[lucidpantone]

How anyone has the time to worry about lack of Sobbe when they are literally sabotaging every other character that’s appearing on screen right now is beyond me.

The lengths they are going to with their character assassinations in order to get their young white girl audience to demonise the main for something she shouldn’t be demonised for is unbearable to watch.

I honestly think this last clip has me bowing out. Need to live in my S2-Wtfockdown bubble.

similar anon: You think Veerle was ok with this? They're killing Zoë's character!

So funny enough I dont think zoe is out of character in some of this exchange but then she is in other parts.I always say this you have to go back to the fact that every one is 17/18 here so there isnt much thought into the idea of the bigger picture and what that means in society. Firstly privacy is a misnomer. In our society privacy does not exist, everything you say or do can be back traced to you and can come to bite you in the ass if you had troublesome povs at a certain age but educated yourself as you grew up they follow you. I guess for me I always ask is the person that got caught out speaking out of their ass sadden about their remarks? or are they sad they got caught?? Considering we saw Britt's reaction to the messages its clear she is sadden she got caught. She may not in retrospect as of today feel that way because everyone is coming at her throwing stones but thats because her actions have had consequences and now she feels remorse for what she said.

Also "gossip" has consequences in the adult world. I always say if your ready to gossip about someone you better be ready for them to pull you up on it. If not you're just a snake. Also gossip has destroyed people's lives and careers so gossip isnt just gossip for gossip sake and for people being like oh but she is in high school she should be given slack. Sure, I agree with that but also look at the parallel of badr?? high school youths are prone to fall into dark thoughts before they ask for help. Gossip has literally been the undoing of young people so be aware gossip could lead to futile outcomes. Now to Zoe. I dont expect a 18 yr girl to understand this. She just feels empathy for britt because of course no one wants to see someone in pain but she also doesnt know the context of everything that we know about britt. She knows how britt made Robbe feel but she doesnt know that she basically told him on the night he lost his virginity that he didnt mean shit to Sander. Like imagine hearing that when you just slept with someone you were positive cared about you and then someone tells you that you mean nothing to them?? Especially being gay the first time you sleep with someone it can be so nerve racking and a very physical experience and for her to make such a special moment so dark is horrible. Also Zoe doesnt realize that Britt has been fueling this islamophobia towards yasmina for sometime. These sentiments arent new and britt has spread them for awhile she is just sad now she got caught. I get that am an adult and accountability at a younger age is a bit of a moving target as you get to know yourself but this is a hard lesson learnt for britt and in many ways its better she learn it now then years down the line when she is married, has kid or has a real job. Learn to be authentically yourself and take accountability of who you are in text as well as in person. Because if you don't the price you'll pay for your fuck ups will be world crushing.

[survivorpacificislandallstars]

Ep. 17 - “Everyone here are messy hoes” - Steffen

Honestly why the FUCK are people so far up Jordan's ass. Like even sam g before she was blindsided by the devil himself was like "I think I'm just going to vote out Andrew so that I'll stay on his good side" Like what. I am....Omg. Sara is not winning this game bc she literally hasn't done shit but whatever Jordan tells her. David is fake for making me feel like shit last round when I didn't tell him about a plan that we executed 4 minutes AFTER votes were due. Andrew is my ride or die in this game. Andrew. Wow. I don't know what to do with drew. He was drunk for all the decisions made tonight so anything he said, I really don't know if he will mean those things in the morning. I trust steffen and I guess I have to from now on. Us 3 and maybe drew against Jordan's army. I mean I would rather get voted out than work with (basically for) Jordan so that's fine with me.

This last vote??? Was HELL for me! Of course I knew Sam was going from the start, but as much as I wanted to save her, all of my options were bad. This wasn't like the double tribal vote where I had all the information to flip the vote off of Steffen and onto Ash. The discussion started with David Robb and Jordan, and by the time the target was chosen, there were already five votes on Sam in a nine-vote tribal. The only way to save her was with my idol, which I'm sorry, is mine. It would have also exposed everything. I could have either gotten Jordan's idol or Jordan himself out of the game, but that sacrifices my power position and puts me at the mercy of the Sams, Andrew, and Steffen, who very well may have and may still want to work with me, but would have seen me as the biggest threat once Jordan was gone. Once again in an org, I'm left with the disgusting position of using him as my meat shield and getting the stink of that alliance all over me to the point where no one wants to talk to me because they're afraid it'll get back to Jordan. If only they knew how little I've been telling him the entire time, maybe I could get a little more out of them. Sam knew but she's gone now because I didn't save her, and that sucks, but it's just another person I have to avenge to get through the game. So very obviously, Jordan is winning immunity this round. A trivia competition based on Pacific Islands was fucking made for him, I'd be shocked, horrified, and a little concerned if someone were able to beat him other than Billy, or Monty himself. Jordan's plan is to send Sara to exile, have me use my idol, and then vote the two of us and David on someone, and if they vote for me, I'm safe, and if they vote for David, we force the revote because both of us are immune and David is safe a la Spencer Bledsoe's "Tasha's not going" moment. It's a cute plan. Puts all the ducks in a row. Just one little thing I'd like to bring up. When the FUCK did MY idol become something for YOU to strategize with? This is not some communal shit, like a grab bag of power. I didn't see my vote getting doubled with either of your pearls. I haven't seen any idols played on anyone other than yourself. This is not some "What's mine is mine but what's yours is OURS" bullshit. So what I would LIKE to do would be to team up with Steffen, Andrew, and Sam B for the vote and get David Robb out. I have a power move for it in mind that's gonna take a lot to pull off because there are a lot of moving pieces. I would like to work with all three of them for this vote but I need to make sure they don't get it in their heads to 3-2-1 me out. I'm already opening up conversation with Sam and Andrew before anything else happens with the immunity comp, and Steffen and I have talked semi-regularly, so ideally they'll include me in their plans to target David, instead of me coming to them. I think I'll leak the entire plan to them, tell them everything Jordan wants, ESPECIALLY the part about me playing my idol, so it doesn't even get into their heads that I'm on the menu as a voting option. Then on the revote, if it goes down the way I hope it will, I flip and vote out David. Because I'm not playing for 4th on Jordan's team, and I'm not playing to be the first person Steffen's team targets if Jordan wins another immunity after this. And I'm sure as FUCK not playing to have my possessions be communal property. There will have to be a long conversation with Jordan about all this after the fact, about how everything can still work, me him and Sara to the end, we still have two idols, we can work with this, I'm sorry I just felt like I was being left completely out of the loop on this last vote, the target happened in PMs with David, the decision to play both pearls happened without me, and unnecessarily, I felt like I wasn't being heard and I wasn't going to be replaced. Which is highkey true, like that has been a genuine fear the last day and a half or so, but it's secondary to the main stance. No one. No one. Decides how my idol is being played except me. Thanks. From Jordan's perspective, this can still work, we still have our three players with two idols between us, David had to go eventually, why not tonight. From Steffen's perspective, I took out someone on Jordan's team and there's a chance for a light at the end of the tunnel now, in some way. My juggling act is going to implode on me sooner rather than later and I'm going to have to pick up the pieces. But hopefully that time is not tonight.

So basically last vote, Sam B didnt do what i  wanted and that caused me to go with the devil Jordan Pines, but thats okay, im going to try and vote out Andrew tonight but literally things are so topsy turby anyone can go its all up to the survivor gods

I don't know who I can trust in this game. But I know for sure it is not Jordan Pines. Therefore I can't trust anyone associated with him either. That includes David and Drew. Both of them are claiming that the other one is closer to Jordan when it all honesty, I think that is such a tight trio, there is nothing I could do to stop it. I'm just so tired of Jordan controlling this game. With his fucking idols and powers and omg do not even get me started on this immunity challenge. Trivia with someone who was on 5/7 of the seasons being quizzed. That's the most rigged thing I have ever heard in my entire life. Especially this late in the game AND with the answers not being found on the wikia. I'm so pissed about it. I will probably be going home tonight. I would rather go home through staying true to myself, than to flip on one of my allies to stay on Jordan's good side. I learned from the Sam g blindside: being on his good side doesnt mean shit. If he gets to the end, there is no way I am voting for him. And whoever does vote for him, 100% cancelled. He is just. Ugh I don't want to be mean so I'll move on. So I am voting for David  tonight along with andrew and hopefully steffen. I think itll tie and then on the revote go to rocks, which is scary. But if its me that Jordan's side is voting for, I should be safe. That would make it rocks between andrew and steffen, which would be so hard to watch. But I don't think I have any other options. I got into an argument with Drew just a few minutes ago so if he votes for me, I would get that. I just would rather stand up for myself and play my own game, than to let jordan fucking pines control me. And to everyone wanting to work with him (for him): Fuck you.

idk why the whole fucking world and their dogs wanna work with Jordan

It was supposed to be me tonight. Idk it still might be. But I brought up the idea of breaking up Sam B and Steffen. And I guess Jordan wants that. Sam B says to not give Jordan what he wants. And I'm not. I'm doing what I want. I want that duo split. I want to advance without fucking up game relationships. I'm sorry Sam. I love you so much. But this is my game.

Dear Diary, Everyone here are messy hoes, Im over it and them and Jordan can go make out with the abominable snowman for all I care. Like first I have to hear Jordan is threatening Sam B, Sam G was voted out, and now Jordan wins immunity, saves sara and now everything has gone to crap, Drew can’t be trusted worth beans and David is a messy bitch and Jordan well, indifferent towards him at this point, so now Im on call with a crying Sam and I could give 2 shits about anyone left in this game, Im on fits end for who I vote for cause literally this group of people are disgusting except Sam B and Andrew, Also shout out to Sam G, a true hunt