#this isn't anti stiles because stiles does love scott

[philtatosbuck]

daniel sharman and tposey's recent video really just reminded me that for every "the hale pack would've done so and so for stiles unlike his awful best friend" people claim, not a single member of that pack liked or trusted stiles more than scott after they actually got to know them, nor would they actually hate him on stiles' behalf (not that stiles hates him either. literally at all). and i'm including derek and isaac (who both defected to scott's pack btw), erica, boyd, jackson and cora

[haletostilinski]

In the opinion of Jeff being a good writer, I think we have to agree to disagree. I actually think all he cares about is plot (which he doesn't even write all that well) and barely focuses on his characters the way he needs to, and leaves it until the last minute a lot of the time too, which doesn't make for the greatest of writing - with not a lot of it thought through all the way.

And like...things can be badly written, or shoddily written and still be enjoyable. Many objectively so-so things or badly written shows/movies out there are fun to watch and some characters we get attached to anyway.

He managed a semi-decent show for a few seasons (before it just went off the rails bad) with some good characters we've all fallen in love with. But loving a character does not good writing make, in my opinion. We love this show because...well, we like the characters, to be honest. I truly do not see many people raving about the show itself - the plot, the relationships as they're written in canon, for the most part (although of course there are exceptions to that generality, like Stiles and the Sheriff) etc, etc. People loved the characters and some of the charm of the earlier seasons, but that's about it (I am, of course, generalizing and know this isn't true for everyone. This is just what I generally see from people who are in the fandom) and we grew attached - to a character and/or a relationship - and that helps to let a lot of the...ridiculous or so-so or just plain badly written parts of the show go (in the earlier seasons, at least. I can't excuse seasons 4-6 myself lol)

All this to say...loving characters and relationships on a show doesn't mean the show had good writing, is all.

And not to say people can't love the show, certainly they can. Just objectively, it is not a well written show. But we all have some not so good/so-so/bad shows/movies/books etc we love anyway.

I am not saying Derek was a villain in season 1. Just that Jeff wanted him to be seen as a villain. I think he was even quoted saying that once YEARS ago (I have no idea where I'd find the quote now, but I remember it) that he either wanted him to be seen that way, or thought he was a villain and was surprised when so many people loved him in season 1.

Also this part is ultimately my personal interpretation, but in season 1 I felt that how Derek was written was that he was supposed to be seen as an antagonist to Scott, yes, but also a bad guy. And also we find out that Derek is not the Alpha by the end of episode 3, like that is made quite clear - so we no longer should be and no longer need to be suspicious of him - but even after that episode Derek is made out to be kind of a bad guy, or definitely an anti-hero. Especially with the Peter stuff too near the end of the season. But Jeff was surprised when so many people loved Derek despite all that and didn't hate him. That was my point, and sorry if it came across so shoddily.

With how Jeff himself has admitted that he kinda writes as he goes along (and how we know that sometimes actors wouldn't even get the scripts until the *day of shooting*), it's safe to say that he never really plans for the long game. So that's why I truly do think that what good came from his writing was almost entirely accidental. Even so-so writers can have good writing moments, and Jeff is no exception.

Like with Stiles and Derek. Especially with Derek, as he didn't expect Derek to be well loved at first. So his three dimensional writing of Derek, giving him such a meaty backstory as well as, overall, a great heroes journey and character development was accidental overall, in my opinion. And he fumbled here and there along the way, for sure. The way he perpetually tortures Derek and never lets up is a quite a lot to take.

And nobody on the show dealing with their trauma was my point.

Also, I think perhaps my suggestion of Derek in therapy wasn't as well explained as a I hoped. Or, I should have just made it clear that could have been an option, but not in any way necessary. That could have been one direction the show went in, but I'm not saying they had to.

But I may have to agree to disagree with you again, because while yes Derek goes on a character development journey and learns to let go of a lot of his anger (derived from his trauma), the show itself doesn't really let us know how he gets there, because we don't get to see inside his head most of the time. So in a tv show, talking is kind of all we have to understand where Derek would be at mentally, unless the show came up with a more visual way, non speaking way (which it did not, a majority of the time).

So sure, Derek never got close enough to have someone to confide in, that is true...but I'm saying we should have gotten that. Not that Derek has to divulge everything or the most horrible part of it if he didn't want to, but something just to let us know where he's at and how he got to be there.

An example is on Arrow - sorry if you guys haven't seen the show, so I'll try to explain the best I can - where Oliver is SO closed off and never talks about 5 years of hell he went through with anyone, ever. But with Felicity, he eventually opens up to her, and not that he ever tells her everything that happened to him, but bits and pieces of what he went through, and how he was feeling about where he was in the present with her. And not to say he wasn't stubborn AF and needed a lot of seasons to get to a place where he was better at being open with people, but still it happened, over time, and Felicity especially became that person for him to confide in.

So all that to say, I'm not trying to say Derek had to necessarily spill his guts to someone (although I wouldn't have minded it), but just that he could have someone to talk to about his pain, his trauma. Even if it was just a "I feel guilty for what happened because Kate had tricked me" kind of thing. The other person wouldn't have to be like "okay tell me moreeee" just...be there for him. And I'm sure having someone who loved him be there and support him in a way no one had been in years...would have been amazing.

Like...Derek was all alone since Laura died (and I'm sure for years the trauma was still WAY too fresh to open up even to her), his remaining family then turned out to be a villain, then died (then resurrected but was still a villain asshole), and then one popped up but then she went to South America, many miles away from him. Two of his ex-girlfriends raped him, the last one was mostly casual...like we never saw him, in canon, get to be VERY close with someone.

So the only reason I offhandedly mentioned therapy was because then Derek could have talked to someone, had someone, even in a professional capacity. (Also idk if this is a knock against therapy now? I thought it was supposed to be a good thing? If someone wants it?) But all that to say, therapy was just an option, not a necessity.

And in fiction, at least, in a story you are telling...you introduce this part of his character, well that's part of his story, is it not? He can't just ignore Kate and everything she did to him (especially when she came back). I love his moment of triumph over her, but it would have been nice to see, in some way, his internal journey of getting where he was in season 1 when facing her, to where he is in the season 4 finale being able to proudly stand over her, unafraid claiming he was evolving, which she would never do.

And also, I'm not saying it would have to be talked about to death either - god do we not need more about Kate than is necessary ugh - but just...explored. Talked about in some capacity, in some way. Seeing Derek dealing with it (even if it was alone, in a freaking diary even - like just have Derek tell Stiles or someone, whoever "I've been writing in my journal about everything she did to me, everything I've been through...it's helped" like something as simple that, idk - plus the scene where he triumphs over her).

Like I'm not...saying we need to be trauma dumped on. I'm not saying that's all the show had to focus on. But there are ways in which, if written well, shows can explore the trauma characters have faced and have them work through it, to come out the other side healed - or if not healed, better in some way. In a better place.

There's two extremes it could potentially go in - way too much focus on all the trauma, and barely any focus at all, and Teen Wolf went the latter way, in my opinion.

Constantly horrible, traumatizing things would happen to these characters - especially Derek (and later on, Stiles) - and then never be brought up again, or brought up minimally but never truly touched on in a real, tangible way. And the characters, a lot of the time, just...continued to be traumatized but still mostly okay, in the end. Which just didn't feel earned in the least, or make a whole lot of sense.

Like, that's where I'm coming from. Not a need to trauma dump or have it be all about that, but just...having something happen, but then an episode or two later - sometimes by the end of that same ep - they're seemingly a-okay and it's pretty much not brought up again, for the most part. Or not properly dealt with, just kind glossed over...like there are better ways to handle all these character's trauma, is all 🤷‍♀️

Which for Derek, most of all, would have been nice.

isn’t it weird how Teen Wolf brushed over the fact that Derek was basically groomed ??

like, they don’t ever mention that Derek was like 16 (??) and Kate was an adult (i think she’s supposed to be in her 20s) 😭

[princeescaluswords]

Doing as You're Told

The discussions on Dracula Daily about how the various characters dance around the subject of vampires, especially Professor Van Helsing, has triggered me when it comes to my own fandom.

You know, of all the conceits of the anti-Scott brigade, one of the most telling, the most insincere, the most egregiously racist is that Scott is a terrible friend because he didn't immediately believe he had become a werewolf when Stiles told him so. There are so many reasons for Scott to resist this conclusion in the production that it's one of the hands-down biggest reaches in fandom that somehow he should have acted differently.

Who thinks werewolves? As much as people like to joke about it, these characters don't know that they're in a supernatural adventure story. If a real teenager in Northern California got bit in the woods by an animal, he wouldn't jump to the supernatural. Neither would anyone else. In fact, he would be mocked for it if he did so.

In fact, Stiles started out mocking him. Twice, Stiles mocks Scott good-naturedly, first telling him that he couldn't have heard what he swore he heard "there are no wolves in California" and then actually teases him about it being a werewolf. "I know! You're a werewolf! Rrr! Okay, obviously I'm kidding. But if you see me in shop class trying to melt all the silver I can find, it's 'cause Friday's a full moon." But somehow, Scott's supposed to assume that when Stiles "sarcasm is my only defense" Stilinski suddenly starts talking about werewolves again, that he's being completely serious.

No one automatically assumes that Stiles is an expert. Stiles may be clever and inquisitive, but he's not an occult scholar. Derek, who the fandom thinks is literally in love with Stiles at this point, rejects that explicitly: "You think your little buddy Stiles can just Google werewolves, and now you got all the answers, is that it?" Stiles actually is the one who claims that it's a curse and talks about things that aren't true. And yes, Stiles sticks by Scott and does help, but that doesn't Stiles mean has all the answers and Scott should have obeyed him without question.

But that's the point, isn't it? There remains an onslaught of stories where Stiles uses Scott's refusal to immediately accept something Stiles doesn't even believe at first as a reason to reject Scott. I'm begging the question, in a way. It's just another method of undermining the central relationship of the show. I'm more interested in why.

It's not just so <insert Stiles ship here> can happen, because there is literally no evidence that Scott is an obstacle to those ships. It's about the fact that Teen Wolf is not a story centered on white men. Stubbornness, stupidity, unsuitability, and ingratitude are all reasons to downgrade Scott from lead protagonist to side character or even antagonist. SSDD, but this particular trope is so appalling a double standard, because they will come about and defend white men -- usually Derek Hale -- with the idea "he doesn't know what he is doing! he wasn't trained for this!" when Scott and Stiles and Deaton are literally telling him what he should do.

It's just another example of why we need more bullying English teachers to explain why consistency is important in crafting good stories.

[asterekmess]

I just read through a few of your anti Scott metas and like. There it is. You’ve finally nailed down why his stupid face annoys me so much. I’m just starting s4 for the first time and it’s genuinely excruciating how much screen time Scott gets because he’s just so BORING. I dont even care if he does bad things, he never learns or grows from literally anything. Even this whole “true alpha” nonsense hasn’t really changed anything about him in a positive or negative way it’s just more and more frustrating to seen him on screen do absolutely no developing except getting more annoying. Ugh, I could complain for hours and I haven’t even finished the show. Anywho, sending a little digital love for helping me put my frustrations into words. Nice to know the fandom’s still alive 💕

Yeah, my issues with Scott's behavior have sort of compounded at this point. Knowing what he's already done at whatever point in the show and what he will do later in the show, means that Any time he's talking or there's a scene that's focused on him, I just get Angry. Even when he's not doing anything wrong at the time. Even when he's doing something Good or Sweet. Like that whole scene in Season 1 with Allison in the woods, where they're getting some of the Best and ONLY examples of a couple actually BONDING by talking to each other instead of immediately fucking? Where they're getting to know each other over a clearly long period of time (the entire goddamn school day!) I SHOULD LOVE THAT. And I don't. I have to skip the lil montage every time I see the episode, because it's Infuriating. I know what Scott has already done that's completely dickish, and I know what he's Currently doing that's dickish, and I know every dickish thing he's going to do. Seeing him be kind or sweet is just frustrating instead of soothing, because I know it doesn't mean anything. It's not a sign of growth when he considers Allison's feelings and does something good for her on her birthday. It's a sign that he COULD be kind or sweet any of the hundreds of other times where someone else needed it, and CHOOSES NOT TO. And the vast majority of the time, when we see Scott making someone Else happy, it's interspersed with the people he's currently ignoring and their issues that would just straight up not be happening if he'd not left them on read. When he's making out with Allison in Magic Bullet and learning about her past, we flash to Stiles and Derek in the Jeep while Derek Bleeds Everywhere and is slowly DYING. When he's spending the day with Allison in the woods, we flash to Stiles having to bail on school to go talk to Lydia, and Derek being attacked by Kate. (Technically this isn't directly Scott's fault, but it's a horrible parallel.) Bro in S2, Scott is literally fucking Allison and ignoring Jackson WHO IS LIKE FIFTY FEET AWAY. Who then Breaks out of the Fucking Van.

When I see Scott on screen, having a good time or being a nice person, it doesn't make me happy. It makes me suspicious about just how much someone is suffering right then because he's Actively Ignoring Them.

Anyway, sorry for the ramble. XD I feel you on that 'complain for hours' thing. And thank you for the love! ♥ The fandom is still going strong, and I don't plan on leaving it for a Looooong time. ^_^

[theiceemperor]

Criticizing and pointing out Scott McCall's canon abusive actions and behavior isn't racist either. Scott's race – which is never even mentioned in the actual show, by the way – does not excuse/justify all the shitty, fucked up things he's said and done (and that Jeff Davis desperately tried to frame as "heroic") in the show. And yet here you are, claiming that people dislike Scott because he's not white. Even though Posey is white passing and Scott's parent are played by Italian-American actors

Hey, it's me again!

Anyway, I did some research. As one does, when they want to make a point, right? (No need to answer, I know this.)

You're right, Scott's race was never actually adressed in the show. Which I think is one of the problems in Teen Wolf in general.

Even the basic research wil tell you that Scott is Latino, or at least half-Latino. Posey himself said it (because he is biracial, as his mother is Mexican).

But, well, we all know what opinion have anti-Scott fans on Posey, so. It doesn't really matter what I say or what proof I'll give you, does it?

And that he's white passing? Well what about that? It still doesn't erase his heritage, his descent.

And let me just – if you've scrolled through my posts, you'd notice that I've never directly called anti-Scott fans racists. But here's the thing: If it's not true – if the racism isn't real, not even for a little bit – then how is it possible that (many) anti-Scott people only see Scott's mistakes, and not Stiles's? Or Derek's? Peter's? Or literally any other white, male character's?

That is something to think about, isn't it?

Moving on to the thing about Scott being abusive.

I've seen abusive people, seen abusive relationships. I've been abused – still am –, just like I was bullied. Hated. Manipulated. The usual 'sob story of one misunderstood villain' stuff. But you know, this gave me the ability to see people. Study them. (The fact that I love psychology is just a plus.)

And so I think that I can say that, yeah, Scott has made mistakes. Many mistakes, actually. Some were bigger than others, some smaller. But he's not abusive, as I stated in one of my earlier post. He's done some bad things, but making mistakes doesn't instantly mean someone is abusive.

We're people. People make mistakes. If we didn't make mistakes, everyone would be perfect, and that's just not possible.

But hey, no matter what I say, or what proof I'll give you, it won't change anything. At least not to you, anon.

It's amazing how you keep accusing us, the Scott McCall defense squad, of toxic behavior and harassing fans, yet you're the one spamming my inbox with copy-pasted, anonymous messages. You're the one calling us sexists, ableist and racists and 'typical rabid fans'.

You're putting things we've never said/written in our mouths/hands, like that we're trying to paint Stiles as a 'dumb monster' and many more. You're saying we, pro Scott stans, are toxic and abusive, yet between the two of us, it's you who's using mockery and insults as an argument. You're constantly calling the squad literally anything else than what it's name really is.

Many of us are trying to give you proof. Trying to explain our point of view, trying to get you to see other perspective, but it's no use. You're saying the same over and over again – at least from what I've seen and read.

So it doesn't really matter what I respond to your asks, does it? It won't change anything, not until I say what you want me to say. Not until I stop liking Scott.

So I'll listen to your words from one of your asks (which I've posted and then deleted), and, citing, “fucking go 🙄”.

And no, it doesn't mean I'll stop posting content about Scott. After all, I have much more important things than to stress about anon.

[bhadpodcast]

Prince has a way of trying to take what other people do well - point out his many hypocrisies - but then he tries to employ the method while blatantly ignoring the rules for how to use it.

For example, I've accused some of he and his buddies of infiltrating my inbox back in the day. But I did that knowing they have a very distinct way of talking. Pew sees this, and instead of actually thinking about who it could be, he just knows its someone who doesn't like him (not the shortest list, bud) and he strikes.

I've written 21 Articles and went to events all over LA for the last 2 weeks. Before that was prep. I haven't thought about Prince or really even Tumblr. Also, Prince knows good and well that if I were to be anon that I'll sign my asks.

So why would he do this? Because he knows I'm a defender of fandom. And when they go off the rails like this and start attacking fandom as a whole more than likely I'm going to say something about it.

But what he's failed to notice is that I've figured out that by reblogging I'm just spreading his nonsense. And so. I don't really operate like that anymore. I'd rather talk to the person in their sights and let them know they're not alone and they don't have to take your crap. You blindside these newbies thinking your aggression will make them love Scott and all it does is show that y'all don't really have any friends or meaningful relationships yourself.

Lastly, Prince trying to act like all fanfic has to be canon is canon in and of itself. Literally in the same paragraph he says people can write fae Stiles and he has the right to criticize it. Also, he's legit said and endorsed others saying that if Scott isn't the main character and sure they've worked out a mathematical percentage of how much makes you not racist. God forbid you have any racial identifiers though, bc then you're stereotyping and that's racist. Scott being white-washed is enough, as long as it's Scott. And no you big sillies, other characters don't count. How dare you write about Boyd or Mason and think that doesn't make you racist! Were they worshipping Scott there? I didn't think so! Ya racist!

Lastly lastly (Ms. Jackson if you're nasty), this idea that Pew doesn't have to tag anti-Stiles bc the Stiles we like isn't the real Stiles is bunk bc a) then why are you talking about him?, and b) if it's not Stiles then why are you using the Stiles tag to begin with? I don't tag my post Pew and then talk about what a sane rational person you are. If it's not Stiles then don't tag it Stiles, simple as that.

But then I guess even fewer people would read your stuff and god forbid you not get your attention high.

I'm not one to be like "get a hobby" or den be like "you're too old for this" but seriously, get a hobby, dude, you're too old for this.

And what I mean is you're too old to be this invested in anything that doesn't provide you with some type of joy. And if arguing semantics and highkey judging and hurting people gives you joy, you really need to figure out why that is.

[wtfwhy]

Saw this: @greatwerewolfbeliever

I would've replied in the notes, but this is my side blog and I haven't figured out how to comment with this and not my main account? Idk it's weird and it's made conversations confusing in the past so...

Anyway, you're a lot more polite than that other person (see my other reblog) so first off thanks. Secondly, I will emphasize right off the bat that I am as Pro-Stiles as I am Pro-Scott, none of my arguments will be anti-Stiles even if he is perhaps in the wrong for specific instances. Honestly I'm not anti anyone expect like Kate (it's ON SIGHT for her 🤺) or maybe Jackson? (I haven't decided yet...) And Theo probably 👀 (yeah I know he gets redeemed but like the guy creeps me out 😂) then the obvious villains and such like Matt, Gerard, etc. (Info on that in tags 👇)

Anyway, I too disagree with everything you said. Here are my reasons...

About Scott ditching Stiles for Allison: I do have quite a few thoughts on this because after my first watch through I kinda agreed with this argument (not necessarily as a hate Scott thing, but generally as a bad move), but after watching the first two season a few times I've kinda realized...that's not really true?

Like kinda!! It did happen! I'm obviously not going to lie, but it wasn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be. Forgive me if I miss details because I rewatched it like a month ago and I was cursed with shitty memory disease.

Ok so, first season. Some of the scenes where Scoot is being an asshole to Stiles is because of werewolf anger. This is not something he can control yet and therefore not a good argument, I can't recall rn if Scott ever directly apologizes but even if he didn't, that's 1) stupid teenage stuff, 2) the writers might've forgotten, or 3) They're really close and the apology could've been an unspoken thing. And they were small instances in comparison to the rest of the show where their friendship is super strong so whatever. Again this is assuming Scott didn't apologize at all which I can't remember.

Otherwise, when not being under the effect of the full moon, there's only one other instance in my mind that sticks out, when Scott and Allison skip school. This isn't inherently Scott 'abandoning' Stiles or whatever. It's just Scott going on a date. But afterwards, they get into a fight because Stiles dad was hurt by that random ass mountain lion. This confuses me because, like how was Scott supposed to do anything? And he was there when it happened anyway...but otherwise Scott was really remorseful and they made up afterwards.

And honestly, just think of it like this, Scott has gotten his (presumably) first girlfriend and is deeply in love. He is also a teenager. He and Stiles have been friends for years and Scott just met Allison, it makes sense that Scott would want to spend a lot of time with her! And as far as I can remember he never really does it at the expense of Stiles. If there is an example you would like to share, please do. I can't think of anything in season 2 about this, but do remember that Scott and Allison were having an epic ✨Romeo and Juliet✨ romance. So he was quite busy, but guess what, he and Stiles still hung out!!! Their friendship is the main relationship of the show afterall.

This isn't really supposed to be about Allison, but I'll jump on that real quick. First off, saying she did those things and implying that Scott shouldn't have 'chosen' her because she was bad, doesn't really work because she did that like two seconds before they broke up in the climax of the season finale, well after any potential abandoning of Stiles. Also, obviously she was in the wrong in that situation (VERY wrong, Erica and Boyd deserved so much better), but her motivation made sense and she does regret it later. Everything bad that happens in Teen Wolf can be traced back to Gerard, but that's another topic lol!

Now, before this post gets absurdly long, I'll address the second half of your argument by asking, where?? When did that happen???? Scott very much paid attention to the rest of the pack as well as Kira. He was training Malia, mentoring Liam, was besties with Stiles, etc. And Scott was hypervigilant with Stiles in 3b, especially when they found out about the Nogitsune.

The only thing I could think of was the rave scene where Stiles is telling Scott about the key. Scott ends up going off with Kira instead. BUT, that only happens because that one girl (Kaitlyn I think) comes up to Stiles and distracts him. Scott literally told Stiles he would drop his date with Kira to go investigate. This date, mind you, with the first girl he has liked since Allison and he and Kira aren't even dating yet, this is the perfect time to woo her. He chose Stiles over Kira, but Stiles ended up walking away. It was a cute scene, I really liked it.

And one last thing, I'm not saying YOU said this, you didn't so I don't know if you feel this way. This part is more general cause it's something I see quite often (particularly from Sterek shippers of course). The argument that Derek was a better Alpha than Scott. This is so genuinely stupid I cannot help but laugh. Derek was an Alpha in season 2 and 3a, and honestly in 3a he wasn't that bad at being an alpha, but he was mostly trying to fix his fuck ups from season 2 lol. He was such a garbage Alpha in season 2 it's insane. Now, I will quickly say, I'M NOT ANTI-DEREK, I like him and I think making him really shitty in 2 was a good choice (and sometimes really funny, like man admitted to trying to kill Jackson ahsjksk) He's sympathetic, genuinely super sweet and nice when he's not bullying Stiles, etc. But it was at a direct result of his trauma and what Peter did in season 1 (and we later find out he was trying to prepare for the Alpha pack). He wanted to get a pack, strength. I get it. But oooh boy did he go about it wrong. I could really deep dive into this (maybe in another post? 🤔) and talk about all three of his betas, but this is long enough and not the point of the original message (sorry) so I'll just end with, Boyd needed a book club, not to become a werewolf! Derek please get adult friends!! Stay out of the high school you don't work there!!! It's creepy lmao 😅

Have to rant about Teen Wolf for a bit (anti-sterek, complaining about anti-scott mccall, pro-stiles)

Why are people upset that Sterek was never canon?? Like it's already confusing that so many people ship it like it's a normal ship. Like guys, STILES IS A CHILD, DEREK IS AN ADULT. Yeah, Stiles is an adult at the end of the show, but they met when he was like 15/16, Christ at that age I couldn't even image dating someone 17 or 18, much less 25!! (His age is a little unclear but it's around that) (and yes I know about his age recon, it's irrelevant because he was originally 19ish and that's still an adult/child relationship) That's a whole decade age gap. If they had met when stiles was already 18+, sure, still kinda weird but fine. But that's not what happened.

To put it in perspective, I bet a lot of you think the Kate and Young Derek kiss scene was gross and weird (at least hopefully you do) Google says she was about 29 when that happened and Derek was turned 15. That's a 14 year difference. Now you might be complaining, 'the sterek age gap is smaller than that!' well it's about 9ish years and that's STILL GROSS

And on young Derek, he was around Stiles' age (1-2 year difference) and it's such a drastic age difference from normal Derek, right? So if young Derek is considered a child who shouldn't be kissed by an adult, why is it ok when it's Stiles? And it also just shows how large of an age gap they have when Derek is around Stiles' age and he's literally a baby if that makes any sense.

They reconned Derek's age because if he was 19 and she was like 27-28 then he would've been 13 when they got together and she would've been 22ish. Huge pedo issue there obviously. And guess what, thats the same age gap as Sterek.

And some of you might say, 'well other shows have canon adult/child relationships!' that's true, but either it's criticized in the narrative or Pretty Little Liers (I really like that show but WTF was up with all the pedo ships???? Especially AriaxEzra) and just because a lot of things do it doesn't make the thing ok, for example, shipping Sterek.

They don't even really have any romantic chemistry, like their dynamic was funny but most of it was Derek literally hating on Stiles. Like if you're going to ship a morally dubious ship, 1) at least have it be an interesting ship? They're so boring together 🙄 and 2) own up to it!!! Most of y'all act like Derek wouldn't get thrown in jail if he was into stiles like that

Personally I like to think after some nice character development, Derek comes to see both Stiles and Scott as little brothers, but unfortunately I've become so tainted by the onslaught of inescapable sterek content that even then with a very cute, platonic relationship seems wrong, which is stupid but my brain has now blacklisted any fan content with either of them in it now...

AND DON'T GET ME STARTED ON SCOTT HATE, genuinely what is WRONG with you people?? He's the purest, sweetest character in the entire show! And sure, Stiles is more interesting as a character, but Scott is a really good protagonist. Good comparison I thought of is how in ALAB everyone is obsessed with Zuko even tho Aang is the main character. The only difference is that for some reason a big percentage of the fandom decided to shit on Scott for no reason.

Main 'reasons' I've seen:

Scott is a bad friend

- When???? Where? The only time I could kinda see that is in season 1, but think about it like this, he's 16 (A CHILD) and not only is in love for the first time, but has to deal with all the werewolf/alpha stuff that went down in that season. He's busy, he's going through it. And yeah Stiles was very involved and was doing his best to help, but Scott can't be in a million places at once. Guys, normal kids are worse friends than Scott ever was and are still good people, cause it happens sometimes. Are you constantly think about your bestie when you have a million other things going on? Probably not! And it wasn't even that bad because Scott did keep stiles in the loop 90% of the time!!! Y'all actually like Scott was Gon in the chimera ant arc 🙄

His argument with Stiles in season 5

- Was Stiles having a rough time? Yeah, absolutely. Was he in the right? Yeah. But was Scott also really going through it?? Definitely, boy was struggling. Not only does this kid have the weight of the world on his shoulders all the goddamn time, but there was the whole mess they were dealing with, Hayden was dying, he and Liam were arguing, he was having such bad anxiety his asthma was coming back... Man was not in a good headspace.

Coupled that with the very specific way that Theo lied to him (let's be honest, it really does sound like something Stiles would do for his dad), and the miscommunication of Stiles not denying that something did happen, Scott believing that it was more murder than self defense makes a lot of sense to me. And when they do finally talk it out, it's really wholesome and Scott is not only really understanding, but apologetic.

Also, again, real relationships have misunderstandings and lack of good communication all the goddamn time. This doesn't make someone a bad person or a bad friend. FICTIONAL CHARACTERS CAN HAVE FLAWS AND MAKE MISTAKES WITHOUT BEING BAD PEOPLE!!!

Really sorry this is so long and probably has mistakes in it but I was mad and it's late lol

[princeescaluswords]

Well, Then I Had a Reason

It's time to burn some stately family homes down, my friends!

There's no reason for me not to. Not when I'm told I'm being overly sensitive when the first thing I see when I go into the Scott McCall tag -- not the Teen Wolf tag but the character tag -- is someone named "sterekislife" cackling about how the movie is going to be a shitshow. These people have known for six months that Dylan O'Brien and thus Stiles isn't going to be in the movie, but here they are, none-the-less, coming to pick fights about something that if they really are only here for Sterek they should care less about. If I'm going to be criticized for harassment because I feel like defending my favorite fictional character, then there's no reason to hold back in the face of what has to be the textbook definition of trolling.

Kate, hand me that gasoline.

There's a person (and you can find out who it is by digging through my blog because I'm told that criticizing a person by name is bad form but vague-blogging is also bad form and I give up) who told me that they never liked Scott since Scott said that single terribly mean and insensitive thing to Derek, the line which inspired the title of this post. You know he said it in that same episode where Stiles told a dying Derek that he smelled and that he would prefer Derek go die in the street rather than in his beloved Jeep. But why would I possibly call that a double standard?

The episode is Magic Bullet (1x04)

You should not confuse this with Pack Mentality (1x03) the episode directly before this one when an evil killer alpha (not yet revealed to be Derek's Uncle Peter, to whom Derek will betray Scott in six episodes) tried to force Scott via mind control to help him kill his old bus driver. An alpha who Scott didn't know about because Derek withheld that information as he was using Scott as bait to draw that same alpha out. Yet fandom can't see that Scott might want to defend the Argents by thinking they might have a reason to attack werewolves.

I'm talking about Magic Bullet, the episode where Derek Hale, who two episodes before had threatened to kill Scott if he even tried to do something which might expose werewolves to the world, does something which might expose werewolves to the world when he steps in front of Stiles's Jeep, eyes flashing blue, and demands Scott's help in front of Beacon Hills High School's entire student body. Because it's not hypocrisy when a Hale decides to endanger the werewolf secret.

I'm talking about Magic Bullet, the episode where Scott risks his relationship with Allison and his life in a house full of werewolf hunters to help the man who not only lied to him, stalked him, and threatened to expose his secret to the world, but in the previous episode not only punched him and clawed him but also warned him that he would kill people unless Derek trained him, though "it's not going to come for free."

I'm talking about Magic Bullet, the episode where Scott succeeds at retrieving the bullet that Derek needs from the house in time, succeeds at controlling the shift enough to transform only his thumb and forefinger to get the bullet out of the grate (As an aside -- the anti-Scott fandom love to harp on about Scott's supposed control issues yet completely miss that scene and what that scene is supposed to tell the audience.) and thus save Derek's arm, only for Derek to shout and growl and threaten without a single ounce of gratitude or honesty.

But hey, Scott said a cruel thing that episode, so that's why it's okay to ignore everything else he does for Derek. It's also that's why it's not only absolutely okay not to like him but to also fill his Tumblr tag with insults and write 30,000 stories where people take his own story away from him and give it to white men who are definitely not cruel, whether it be Derek "But You Know You Can't Beat Me!" Hale or Stiles "Oh You'll Heal" Stilinski.

It's wrong, and I'm done. If I don't get to enjoy the fandom before, during and after this movie, (which is all I want to do) then the gloves come off. I will defend a fictional character, and I'll do it with every rhetorical technique and logical, evidenced argument I can muster. None of this just letting people piss on a character of color for their fetishistic white mlm obsession. Block me, ignore me, leave the Scott McCall and Teen Wolf tags (please), but if I don't get to have fun, I'm going to do my best to make sure that you don't either.

Rant Over.

[princeescaluswords]

Why do you think Deaton thought that Scott would become a True Alpha the moment he found out he was a werewolf? Just to be clear, this question isn't designed to hate on either character, I'm just curious. In s1 Scott wasn't really much of a hero (he became one later on), so what was it about him that made Deaton believe in the possibility of him being a True Alpha (especially given how rare it is)?

I would argue that Scott showed the traits that would make him a True Alpha from the first episode, Wolf Moon.  I would argue that we saw him manifest those traits from his first scene.  Not to be antagonistic, but one of the things I love about Teen Wolf is that heroism isn’t defined by how much ass the heroic character can kick or how efficient the heroic character is, but instead about how the heroic character treats other people to reach their goals.

In Currents (3x07), Deaton defines what makes a True Alpha.  This is immediately before the line you referenced. 

Deaton: It's rare. It's something that doesn't happen within 100 years, but every once in a while a beta can become an Alpha without having to steal or take that power. They call it a true Alpha. It's one who rises purely on the strength of the character, by virtue, by sheer force of will 

What do we see Scott doing when the show begins?  He’s doing pull-ups in his bedroom and taking care of his lacrosse equipment, planning to go to bed early in order to get a good night’s sleep before tryouts tomorrow.   It’s a normal, average goal.  He wants to make first line.

There are some obstacles to this. He has severe asthma. He also seems to be not very good at it.  As Stiles says near the beginning of the episode.

Scott: I was trying to get a good night's sleep before practice tomorrow. 

Stiles: Right, 'cause sitting on the bench is such a grueling effort. 

Scott: No, because I'm playing this year. In fact, I'm making first line. 

Stiles: Hey, that's the spirit. Everyone should have a dream, even a pathetically unrealistic one.

Scott has every reason to simply not try to make first line.   He has a physical handicap, a lack of talent, and a best friend, who we can say isn’t the most supportive.   Why waste that effort?  Because he does aspire to it   (strength of character), because he knows what he wants and he’s willing to do the work necessary to try to get it, without a guarantee of success (sheer force of will), yet on the other hand, even to get what he wants, he’s not willing to turn around after Stiles’s cruel comment and leave him out in the woods by himself with a killer possibly out there (virtue).  

Parts of the fandom tend to focus on what Scott does wrong in Season 1, and in doing so they don’t pay enough attention to what he does right.  Television viewers often think that they are bored by heroes and good characters when they are most often bored by heroes who are flawless success stories right out the gate, who don’t need to learn and grow.  Those stories are not only unrealistic but also not very exciting.  A story about a person who always does the right thing and always wins has its ending given away at the beginning.

Scott, on the other hand, seems to be an average boy with a disability and a romantic disposition.  When confronted by darkness and evil, he initially denies it, he initially panics about it, and he’s never interested in exploring it.  Yet when it comes down to it, the seeds for him becoming the alpha who wants to save everyone are there from the first episode.

Take the scene where he meets Allison.  His new senses are out of control which is why he overhears her phone conversation with Victoria.  He learns that she’s a new girl, she’s anxious, and she forgot her pen.  Immediately, he stops worrying about himself and gives her one.  Yeah, he’s attracted to her -- she’s pretty.   (A near-sighted gopher would tell you that Crystal Reed is pretty).   But once he gives her the pen, he doesn’t try to impose his attention on her.  He doesn’t even try to flirt with her.  He watches her meeting with Jackson and Lydia, but he doesn’t join in the gossip between Stiles and Harley.  He’s happy when he catches her looking at him at the lacrosse practice.   As he tells Stiles, “I got a date with a girl who I can't believe wants to go out with me, and everything in my life is somehow perfect.”  He’s grateful, he’s humble.  

More importantly, he doesn’t win a date with Allison by showing off at lacrosse practice.  Instead, he is working alone in the animal clinic when she comes by, having hit a dog with her car.  He takes care of the dog because it needs to be taken care of, doing what he knows he can do, even though -- as antis have pointed out -- he exceeds his jurisdiction to do so (force of will).  He not only takes care of the dog, he takes care of Allison, salving her panic and her regret for hitting the dog (virtue).  He’s also willing to denigrate himself:

Allison: Thanks for doing this. I feel really stupid. 

Scott: How come? 

Allison: I don't know. 'Cause I freaked out like a total girl. 

Scott: You are a girl. 

Allison: I freaked out like a girly girl, and I'm not a girly girl. 

Scott: What kind of girl are you? 

Allison: Tougher than that. At least, I thought I was. 

Scott: Hey, I'd be freaked out too. In fact, I'd probably cry. And not like a man, either. Like the biggest girly girly ever. It'd be pathetic. 

He is willing to mock himself to make her feel better about herself.  (strength of character).  He doesn’t ask for a date until she is ready to leave, having calmed her down and made her feel better first.   

He’s not perfect.  He sneaks a peak at Allison changing (though he feels bad about it).  And he’s certainly not amazing or spectacular.   Scott starts out with the qualities to be a True Alpha, but he hasn’t developed them yet. 

Take the scene when Derek lures him out into the woods with Allison’s jacket.  Remember when he’s locked himself in the room after fleeing from the party due to his first change?  He’s watched claws grow from his fingers and his teeth lengthen into fangs.  Stiles comes over, but he won’t let him in, even though he’s scared, because he doesn’t want to hurt his friend:

Scott: No! Listen, you gotta find Allison. 

Stiles: She's fine, all right? I saw her get a ride from the party. She's - she's totally fine, all right? 

Scott: No, I think I know who it is. 

Stiles: You just let me in. We can try - 

Scott: It's Derek. Derek Hale is the werewolf. He's the one that bit me. He's the one that killed the girl in the woods. 

Stiles: Scott - Derek's the one who drove Allison from the party. 

Scott thinks that Derek is the werewolf (by the way he is!) who attacked him in the woods (he is not!) and transformed him into this monster (Scott has no experience with werewolves and Stiles told him all about their bloodlust).  Immediately, he rushes off to save Allison, which gets him put in danger and shot with a crossbow.

In this scene, even though he’s terrified of what’s happening to him, he refuses to let Stiles come in and possibly get hurt and instead thinks about making sure Allison is safe (since Derek was watching both of them dance -- and antis somehow sees this as bad that he wants to protect the innocent girl he took on a date).  When he believes she is in danger, he abandons all thought of his own safety and rushes off.   Is he immediately heroic?  No.  But then, Teen Wolf would have been very boring if its heroic protagonist mastered being a werewolf and knowing all the answers in the first episode.

But the seeds of greatness are there, and Deaton has worked with him for months.  He knows that Scott has the qualities that very well would lead to becoming a True Alpha, especially when he finds Scott braving dangers in the woods as a brand-new werewolf to save the bully who is blackmailing him.  

Deaton: I believed. From the moment I knew you were bitten, I believed.

And I did, too.

[princeescaluswords]

Continuing on the theme of "power isn't everything, nor is it exactly what you think" did stans miss that Derek was actually unhappy during his alpha tenure? And happiness came when he forgave himself, grew, and found new love? When he let go of toxicity? When he actually treated Scott like a brother like he professed in season 1? Power comes from our loved ones, and standing up against oppressive forces. So, why are they stuck on keeping Derek alpha? Just kidding, I know why

In my opinion, there are three primary reasons why certain stans are stuck on keeping Derek as an alpha.  One of them is racism, which is the one I think you were referring to; one of them is heteronormativity, which is as easy to parse as it is still prevalent;[ and the final one is the fetishization of suffering, which is a byproduct of Christian thought misapplied to our culture.

None of these arguments are going to win me any friends.

To me, the racism aspect is very clear.  While Derek losing the Alpha power had nothing to do with Scott’s actions and everything to do with Derek’s rejecting power for its own sake, his loss narratively paralleled Scott’s ascension, so in the minds of certain members of the fandom, there was  implied causation.  Theories appeared that Scott ‘stole’ Derek’s power, usually through Deaton’s manipulation of the Nemeton sacrifice (however that worked), even though Scott was already manifesting True Alpha potential in Season 1. 

There was no other indication that anyone really consider this a possibility. Derek was supportive of Scott as alpha.  He was the first person in the series to actually describe what made Scott special, which wasn’t the use of power, but Scott’s compassion, humility, and resiliency.  As for the title of alpha changing hands, Derek himself remarked “It happens” when questioned by Scott on the change of the alpha power from Laura to Peter.  (Only Peter had a problem with Scott as alpha, and that was less Scott as alpha than Peter not being alpha.)

Yet parts of the fandom insist that Derek retain his alpha status, even though he failed at it and was miserable while being alpha, even after he became so much happier (and more effective!) without it, is because, as I’ve talked about before, the audience has been trained to see the highest status as rightfully belonging to upper middle-class or upper class white families.  Decades have taught them that is who is supposed to be in charge, so the fact that Derek doesn’t have this status and Scott does is unsettling to them.  (This is also why you see so many human alpha Stiles stories, when Stiles doesn’t have the leadership ability God gave a dachshund.)

A lot of shipping also requires Derek to remain an alpha.   This comes from holdovers of the “best suitor” model of romance and heterosexual love that dominated our culture for centuries.  They identify with Stiles, so they believe that Stiles deserves to be won by the best suitor,’ and conversely, Derek deserves to be the the best suitor for Stiles.  That’s part of the romance – celebrating the perfect couple, finding the perfect match between the dashing  man  and the blushing girl he chooses to make his.   How can Derek sweep Stiles off his feet and fulfill all his needs if he’s not the best? Think about it - if the goal of the romance is to get the best man, then the female-analog’s goal should be to want the best, the hot-shot, cocky, muscular millionaire race-car driver, not the balding, mumbling accountant who collects seashells.   The best, in the werewolf world, is the alpha, so Derek must be the alpha in order to fulfill this ancient and tired role in their fantasies.

Finally, United States culture has been influenced by Christian thought misapplied – in this case, the concept of virtue in misery.   It is through the Passion that all humans are saved, it is often by martyrdom that sinners become saints.  Christian thought intended this to apply to spiritual status, not secular power.  Disabled people fight with this remnant every day when well-meaning people apply this concept to their physical lives. ‘Your suffering must have made you so strong.”  No, suffering is suffering.   

But this misapplied concept persists, permeating our society.  In terms of this fandom, it serves to make Derek the logical choice to be rewarded. Derek had his family killed, endured Paige, was raped by Kate, betrayed by Peter, tried to form a pack only to see it torn apart, and then was manipulated by Jennifer. He’s suffered a lot, but the show insisted that doesn’t make him a good person or even worthy of being an alpha.  Nothing underlines the show’s concept more than this scene:

Isaac: Why’d you do this to us, Derek?  Was it all about the power?  Were you bored?  Were you lonely?

Derek: Maybe.

Derek’s loneliness, regret and misery doesn’t justify the actions he took for the writers of the show, but it does for parts of the fandom because of the cultural bias toward the idea that misery ennobles.  Derek should be alpha because he suffered the most – his secular power should be a reward for all he has endured.  Thus the endless tags of “Derek deserves nice things.”

This runs counter to the theme of the show that trauma is trauma – it doesn’t justify anything.  It doesn’t empower anything.  The fact that Derek’s anchor is anger over his tragedies is presented as a bad thing.   The fact that Scott’s anchor is Allison – a person whom he loves despite all the pain her family causes him – is held up as a good thing.  When that anchor goes, Scott’s anchor is replaced by faith in himself, and he finds that by not allowing the significant trauma he’s gone through to embitter him, to dim his optimism, or to shatter his faith in other people.   Scott becomes a True Alpha not through embracing his suffering but by overcoming it.   When terrible things happen to him (and they do), he gets back up and works to make things better.  Derek and Brett literally give speeches about it.   Scott, when mentoring Liam on leadership, says the same thing.

By the by, this is one of the reasons anti-Scott stans feel the need to claim that Scott didn’t suffer anything. To them, if Scott doesn’t suffer anything bad, than he can’t be ennobled and thus he’s not deserving.  It’s also partly why members of the fandom claim that Derek was a ‘clone’ or mocked him as ‘zen Derek’ when he was no longer a tightly wound ball of misery in Season 3B, 4, and 6.   To them, secular power is dependent on the depth of misery, determined by the Trauma Olympics.  

[goblincave666]

sorry i didn't get to this sooner, i havent been on tumblr much at all & school has been a lot

ok so white het (or supposedly het but we all know the truth) dudes get THE BEST writing hands down in tw. stiles, liam, jackson and theo??? all of these characters have detailed backstories and nuanced personalities.

stiles, for example, has adhd, often comes across as awkward and jumpy to other people. he has an insane work ethic when it comes to figuring things out because he overcompensates aggressively for the wellbeing of others, after being traumatized so much by his mom's passing. he often forgets to take care of himself. and yeah this is standard writing but for teen wolf standards it's fucking amazing.

liam has abandonment issues because his birth dad left (i think???) and his family was afraid of him for his IED. he struggles to trust himself and his own judgement and often relies on other people, most notably scott, mason, and theo in 6b.

jackson's parents don't seem amazing, and he was also adopted. he demonstrably has self worth issues as he is constantly jealous and insecure in seasons 1 and 2. he uses his porsche and lacrosse status to prove himself to others, but that can only go so far. the entire reason he became the kanima was because he was kind of fucked up. he even develops and starts to care a bit through season 2. also, i know jackson is bi. but they clearly made that decision all the way in 6b, so that's why i'm not counting him here.

theo wasn't amazingly done, i honestly get most of his depth out of my personal interpretation and the few breadcrumbs jeff left behind, but 1) he only had 2 seasons, and 2) cody is only white PASSING, he's mixed white and penobscot. so that honestly strengthens my case. (also yes i know white passing doesnt equal 100% white but im mixed white and inuit myself and society has treated me like i'm white my entire life so it makes a huge difference.)

there are more well written white guys (haha triple w) notably derek, stilinski and isaac, but i don't want to be here all day.

let's move onto the poc/non het guys:

i'm not a scott anti. i just don't think he works that well as a protagonist. in seasons 1 and 2 i can actually say for sure he was well written and worked, but seasons 3 onward, jeff kinda lost his touch with scott. like in 1 and 2, there were personal stakes in the plot for scott to deal with, CONSTANTLY, which made him a really interesting protagonist since he was just an unexperienced teenage boy, but 3 onwards there really wasn't, he just had to stop the bad guy because he had to stop the bad guy and save everyone. and that just isn't personal enough for a good protagonist. they DID have void stiles, stiles being erased, scott taking the benefactor money, and the whole alpha pack thing, but the alpha pack thing was just one of many people wanting to kill scott because hes the true alpha, not personal reasons, and EVERYONE ELSE was worried about void stiles and stiles being erased. honestly the ghost riders thing made lydia seem more like the protagonist. as for the benefactor money, that was solved in one episode. so i can say jeff did do well with scott in 1 and 2, but after that he became a protagonist because protagonist do good, and there wasn't enough for me to be invested in scott anymore.

also side note: why the fuck did mr d**gl*s say scott would 'make a good nazi youth.' scott is HISPANIC. does jeff davis know the nazis weren't only racist against jewish people or should someone tell him???

a lot of people see mason as stiles 2.0., but i feel like he couldve been a completely different character by the end of the show if they actually tried with him. as much as i love mason, he did fall into the 'black best friend who only exists to help their white friend' stereotype. mason had no personal hurdles in the show that weren't fixed in one episode. and that's not only an instance of lazy poc writing, it's an instance of shit writing in general, because MASON WAS FUCKING POSSESSED. where the fuck was the follow up from that???? how was he completely okay in 6a??? if sebastien had some of mason's memories, shouldn't he also have some of sebastien's? or at least have some nightmares about them? or something???? mason's also one of the nicest tw characters, so i really don't see why the guilt of being the beast and doing nothing about it didn't absolutely fucking destroy him to an extent. he clearly overcompensates with help like stiles, but not even just supernatural help. like he does homework help, basically acts as the group therapist, and there's gotta be a reason for that. and absolutely none of that gets explored whatsoever. it literally makes me so fucking mad like you guys have no idea

ethan was a decent enough character for what he had to do in the plot, but they don't really explain why he's more benevolent than aiden, and he just kinda hangs around. aiden was arguably the more interesting of the two and he had more internal conflict going on, while ethan really only existed to contrast him and try to tell him to be good or whatever.

not that ethan himself had to be anything other than that, but i don't remember danny or corey doing too much either. i get that ethan, danny and corey were all conceptually side characters who really couldn't have gotten much spotlight, but that's the writers' fault. we never had a same sex couple in the MAIN cast of teen wolf, which we didn't necessarily need to have, but it just feels a little off that all of the mlm characters are sidelined, and the wlw characters are basically nonexistent.

white women:

okay so the women are where it REALLY gets bad. like i typed a lot about mason and scott because jeff gave us enough detail on them for a good writer to make decent characters out of them. the walls of text are gonna be more like fences here. small wire fences that you can climb over with little effort.

first of all, lydia is obviously an outlier. she does get development. but once again, like scott, by season 3 they don't have any more development to give her. the only time she got to be a character again, and not just there to do whatever banshee thing the plot calls for that somehow reveals the information we need, is 6a. and even then, HER ENTIRE 6A PLOTLINE REVOLVES AROUND A GUY. it's nothing about her personally. she's just trying to get everyone else to believe stiles is real, because she wants him back.

allison is used as a macguffin for scott in season 1 and 2, and then dates isaac in season 3. she literally never gets to be her own character, and i can barely think of actual consistent personality traits that she has. i thought she was cool but they didn't do anything with her. i mean she overcame her family but they didn't really give her any personality while doing it. the closest thing i remember to a character moment for her was when she was in the elevator with stilinski and cried about everything being fucked up and her grades dropping. and i LOVE that scene. did we get more of that??? no.

poc women:

okay so hayden gets a little backstory, i'll give her that, but she never really struggles in the plot. EVER. do bad things happen to her? physically, yeah, but emotionally??? she seems upset at the end of 5a/beginning of 5b, but bounces back from every other horrible event like it's nothing for some reason. personality wise, she's a little snappy or whatever, but they didn't give her much to do besides make out with liam. she had a ton of potential with just her sister taking care of her and the whole chimera situation, but they didn't really do anything with her.

kira was adorable and awkward, and she's my favourite girl on the show personality wise, but once again, they gave her no real room to grow in the plot. and then they kicked her off by sending her to the desert and didn't even tell arden until the season was done!!

all i remember braeden doing was showing up and shooting things. that is literally everything i can say about her character. i'm not kidding.

in conclusion, i guess my main problem with how jeff writes anyone who isnt a white guy is the lack of internal conflict. they don't show any of these characters overcoming their own demons like they do the white guy ones.

you also don't NEED representation (although it does matter and is good/honestly expected to add in a suburban hs drama since poc/non cishet people happen to exist) but jesus if youre gonna do it at least put as much effort into your marginalized characters as your cishet ones. don't make a divide between how much development characters of equal importance get. unless you want your writing to come across like this.

this is my hot take and i will elaborate on it if asked to (also lydia is kind of an exception but not by much)

honestly shouldve made another one below the skeleton with poc women

EDIT: AND THEN ONE BELOW THAT WITH WLW

lydia's dead grandmother and that one bi girl with the immediately dead gf is not enough jeff

[camelotpark]

When I say that race plays a part in every facet of life I am talking about ours, not Scott's.

Saying that Scott/Allison had fans does not negate how fandom has repeatedly painted Scott as sexually obsessed with her either.

Just because they had fans does not mean that others didn't use racial tropes and biases against them. It's a ridiculous thing to say.

Even if most of fandom didn't enough did that it became a problem.

When I say that people accuse Scott of being a rapist you jumped to the assumption that I meant what happened to Derek in Master Plan, but I am not.

I'm talking about your anti group who purposefully misconstrued a scene so they could say that Scott broke into Allison's room and kissed her without consent. This did not happen, but it was a dream she had and the same people you have defended have willingly lied to paint Scott as someone who sexually assaulted Allison. Scott was never shown to be sexually dangerous to Allison and yet it hasn't stopped your group from painting him as such.

Me and others have gotten plenty of anons that say Scott was also stupid. Another in your anti group has spent years attacking his intelligence. They don't say he has "dim" moments. They say he is stupid, so much so that once again people had to point out the ableist language of people jumping on the trend of calling Scott a "potato"

Teamwork makes the dreamwork then why do you and your group constantly call him a terrible leader and even go as far as to say certain people aren't even in his pack? They laugh that no body cared that Scott died in 5B

And yeah, Scott and Derek's traumatic past aren't the same, but one traumatic experience does not remain a valid excuse while the other isn't. Yet in this fandom it does.

All of Scott's trauma has been mocked and trivialized. Some even by you who called him getting turned into a Berserker "A wild weekend" and saying "oh, he was only dead for 15 minutes" This undermining of his pain is something that happens to poc far too often.

This "You want us to treat him better than others" is straight out of the racist handbook. When we say treat this poc equally you just hear "Treat him better then you would anyone else"

Wanting equality does not mean wanting supremacy.

You never blame Stiles or Derek for the abuse they suffer. It's always rightfully so at the feet of their abuser.

Yet, when Stiles or Derek hurt Scott your group always finds a way to make Scott at fault.

"He should just do what Derek says"

"He shouldn't have went and talked to Boyd and Derek wouldn't had physically assaulted him"

"If he had just taken Stiles at his word and believed him from the beginning Stiles wouldn't have had to physically assault Scott who had just come back from the dead"

"Stiles has no obligation to tell anyone about his trauma even as a violent threat remains in their circle and puts everyone he loves at risk,but Scott absolutely needs to share his trauma with Allison so she doesn't hurt Derek's pack even though he doesn't know she's doing it"

This unequal response happens to every single moc in fandoms. So yes, when I say you have never treated Scott like a white person I mean it, because you have never given him the unquestioning compassion or empathy you have given white men.

You say the grass is pink when it's clearly green and then say you just don't understand why someone could ever think it was green in the first place. It's gaslighting at it's most pure. Saying that our experiences didn't happen and we (and everyone else who has talked about it) just misunderstood it all.

You're purposefully lying about many of our experiences in fandom and saying that just didn't happen when even on my blog I have posted many screenshots proving otherwise.

You all act like it's just a handful of us doing this, but the racism in fandom and against Scott has long been discussed. Way before either Prince or I even showed up.

It's been featured on blogs that specifically talk about racism in fandom.

You are putting your hands over your ears and saying "Nu-uh, not true. Scott was never treated with racial bias by us" but saying that doesn't make it go away. It's here and even in this post whitewashing Scott's charchter is but another example.

We Need to Talk About Stereotypes

I get into a lot of arguments with @camelotpark and @princeescaluswords about applying “dangerous latinx stereotypes” to Scott and I just saw PEW put out a very thorough list:  sexually voracious and obsessive, lazy and uneducated, stubborn, short-tempered, and imperious.

Now, I have several issues with this pre-approved list because it seems less to be a list of negative latinx stereotypes and more a list of things we sort of say about Scott (except “imperious” because… c’mon).

Which leads me to ask a question: When do stereotypes stop being traits and start being negative indicators of a marginalized group? 

Don’t worry, I have an answer!

Let’s take a look at “sexualy voracious and obsessive”. You see, “sexually voracious” (which no one has ever called Scott) was added so the entire phrase could be one step closer to the “lothario” or “latin lover” trope. But being obsessed with Allison has nothing to do with a) Scott’s race or b) anything outside of being a teenage boy obsessed with a girl.

The antis simply don’t like it, because Scott’s obsession ended up effecting others. And not just Stiles with the missed phone calls, but also Matt when Scott couldn’t even complete the plan without getting jealous. And Allison herself when Scott kept trying to win her back and didn’t tell her the truth about her mother. And even Isaac when he slammed him against a wall twice because of her, and then denied Isaac the chance to say goodbye in his arms while she died (I loved the moment as a Scallison shipper, but I did laugh when it cut to Isaac, like…oh! Oh yeah!). 

They don’t want Scott to take responsibility for this, so they create a false stereotype to implicate as much of fandom as they can. Then they try to make Scott exempt from having this trait at all, when again, not how traits work.   

But here’s the rub, shouldn’t Scott be able to like a girl in an obsessive way? Because at it’s core a list of stereotypes is just a list of traits, and one that all humans are afforded. Where the trouble comes in is using those traits as a precursor to casting judgement one someone using only their appearance. 

If upon seeing Scott with Allison I thought “Of course he’s obsessed with her, he’s latinx!” then yeah, I’d be racist af because that’s a wild thing to say. But just pointing out that he’s obsessed due to the number of examples that show his obsession is not something you can claim is racially motivated just because you heard of the lothario trope. 

Now I happened to look up a list of actual stereotypes the Latinx population deals with: Lazy, being a Cholo, Job Stealing, Criminal, Illegal, Uneducated (put your hard ons away, antis, we��ll get to it).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans_in_the_United_States

Out of this list, the only one I’ve seen applied to Scott is uneducated, but again, this is after the fact that canon presented Scott as being academically uninclined. He missed several classes and only graduated with the help of Natalie Martin. 

So again comes the question, when does Scott get to be dumb? Because people are dumb sometimes, not everyone is intellectually superior. And honestly for a lot of people it makes Scott approachable that he may not be the most booksmart, but he works hard to get the job done. So saying he’s not as bright is a valid canon trait, not a stereotype. 

What I see the antis do a lot is take something we say about Scott that they don’t like and try to turn it into a racial stereotype. The thought process is that we’ll stop saying it about Scott, but the connection to race is so flimsy that it usually goes ignored. Because the truth of the matter is that Scott is a complicated character and his character wasn’t written with his race in mind. 

Unlike characters like Sinqua and Mason who were specifically written against type. Or Deaton, who was literally made into the magical negro character for Scott. Scott’s race is wholly inconsequential to his story which gives the viewer leeway to instill those race elements for themselves. I’ve seen several rewrites of the Calaveras storyline that explores Scott’s possible cultural ties to la iglesia. Which is fine because he really is a blank slate, an every man that everyone is supposed to relate to. 

Now if this was successful or unsuccessful is another post, but I wouldn’t ever say it’s unsuccessful because he’s latinx. 

That’s enough for now, I’d love to hear your thoughts!