#also one think that confuses me is that i see people categorize theo in the puppy pack? he is the same age as the older kids?? ok...

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Saw this: @greatwerewolfbeliever

I would've replied in the notes, but this is my side blog and I haven't figured out how to comment with this and not my main account? Idk it's weird and it's made conversations confusing in the past so...

Anyway, you're a lot more polite than that other person (see my other reblog) so first off thanks. Secondly, I will emphasize right off the bat that I am as Pro-Stiles as I am Pro-Scott, none of my arguments will be anti-Stiles even if he is perhaps in the wrong for specific instances. Honestly I'm not anti anyone expect like Kate (it's ON SIGHT for her 🤺) or maybe Jackson? (I haven't decided yet...) And Theo probably 👀 (yeah I know he gets redeemed but like the guy creeps me out 😂) then the obvious villains and such like Matt, Gerard, etc. (Info on that in tags 👇)

Anyway, I too disagree with everything you said. Here are my reasons...

About Scott ditching Stiles for Allison: I do have quite a few thoughts on this because after my first watch through I kinda agreed with this argument (not necessarily as a hate Scott thing, but generally as a bad move), but after watching the first two season a few times I've kinda realized...that's not really true?

Like kinda!! It did happen! I'm obviously not going to lie, but it wasn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be. Forgive me if I miss details because I rewatched it like a month ago and I was cursed with shitty memory disease.

Ok so, first season. Some of the scenes where Scoot is being an asshole to Stiles is because of werewolf anger. This is not something he can control yet and therefore not a good argument, I can't recall rn if Scott ever directly apologizes but even if he didn't, that's 1) stupid teenage stuff, 2) the writers might've forgotten, or 3) They're really close and the apology could've been an unspoken thing. And they were small instances in comparison to the rest of the show where their friendship is super strong so whatever. Again this is assuming Scott didn't apologize at all which I can't remember.

Otherwise, when not being under the effect of the full moon, there's only one other instance in my mind that sticks out, when Scott and Allison skip school. This isn't inherently Scott 'abandoning' Stiles or whatever. It's just Scott going on a date. But afterwards, they get into a fight because Stiles dad was hurt by that random ass mountain lion. This confuses me because, like how was Scott supposed to do anything? And he was there when it happened anyway...but otherwise Scott was really remorseful and they made up afterwards.

And honestly, just think of it like this, Scott has gotten his (presumably) first girlfriend and is deeply in love. He is also a teenager. He and Stiles have been friends for years and Scott just met Allison, it makes sense that Scott would want to spend a lot of time with her! And as far as I can remember he never really does it at the expense of Stiles. If there is an example you would like to share, please do. I can't think of anything in season 2 about this, but do remember that Scott and Allison were having an epic ✨Romeo and Juliet✨ romance. So he was quite busy, but guess what, he and Stiles still hung out!!! Their friendship is the main relationship of the show afterall.

This isn't really supposed to be about Allison, but I'll jump on that real quick. First off, saying she did those things and implying that Scott shouldn't have 'chosen' her because she was bad, doesn't really work because she did that like two seconds before they broke up in the climax of the season finale, well after any potential abandoning of Stiles. Also, obviously she was in the wrong in that situation (VERY wrong, Erica and Boyd deserved so much better), but her motivation made sense and she does regret it later. Everything bad that happens in Teen Wolf can be traced back to Gerard, but that's another topic lol!

Now, before this post gets absurdly long, I'll address the second half of your argument by asking, where?? When did that happen???? Scott very much paid attention to the rest of the pack as well as Kira. He was training Malia, mentoring Liam, was besties with Stiles, etc. And Scott was hypervigilant with Stiles in 3b, especially when they found out about the Nogitsune.

The only thing I could think of was the rave scene where Stiles is telling Scott about the key. Scott ends up going off with Kira instead. BUT, that only happens because that one girl (Kaitlyn I think) comes up to Stiles and distracts him. Scott literally told Stiles he would drop his date with Kira to go investigate. This date, mind you, with the first girl he has liked since Allison and he and Kira aren't even dating yet, this is the perfect time to woo her. He chose Stiles over Kira, but Stiles ended up walking away. It was a cute scene, I really liked it.

And one last thing, I'm not saying YOU said this, you didn't so I don't know if you feel this way. This part is more general cause it's something I see quite often (particularly from Sterek shippers of course). The argument that Derek was a better Alpha than Scott. This is so genuinely stupid I cannot help but laugh. Derek was an Alpha in season 2 and 3a, and honestly in 3a he wasn't that bad at being an alpha, but he was mostly trying to fix his fuck ups from season 2 lol. He was such a garbage Alpha in season 2 it's insane. Now, I will quickly say, I'M NOT ANTI-DEREK, I like him and I think making him really shitty in 2 was a good choice (and sometimes really funny, like man admitted to trying to kill Jackson ahsjksk) He's sympathetic, genuinely super sweet and nice when he's not bullying Stiles, etc. But it was at a direct result of his trauma and what Peter did in season 1 (and we later find out he was trying to prepare for the Alpha pack). He wanted to get a pack, strength. I get it. But oooh boy did he go about it wrong. I could really deep dive into this (maybe in another post? 🤔) and talk about all three of his betas, but this is long enough and not the point of the original message (sorry) so I'll just end with, Boyd needed a book club, not to become a werewolf! Derek please get adult friends!! Stay out of the high school you don't work there!!! It's creepy lmao 😅

Have to rant about Teen Wolf for a bit (anti-sterek, complaining about anti-scott mccall, pro-stiles)

Why are people upset that Sterek was never canon?? Like it's already confusing that so many people ship it like it's a normal ship. Like guys, STILES IS A CHILD, DEREK IS AN ADULT. Yeah, Stiles is an adult at the end of the show, but they met when he was like 15/16, Christ at that age I couldn't even image dating someone 17 or 18, much less 25!! (His age is a little unclear but it's around that) (and yes I know about his age recon, it's irrelevant because he was originally 19ish and that's still an adult/child relationship) That's a whole decade age gap. If they had met when stiles was already 18+, sure, still kinda weird but fine. But that's not what happened.

To put it in perspective, I bet a lot of you think the Kate and Young Derek kiss scene was gross and weird (at least hopefully you do) Google says she was about 29 when that happened and Derek was turned 15. That's a 14 year difference. Now you might be complaining, 'the sterek age gap is smaller than that!' well it's about 9ish years and that's STILL GROSS

And on young Derek, he was around Stiles' age (1-2 year difference) and it's such a drastic age difference from normal Derek, right? So if young Derek is considered a child who shouldn't be kissed by an adult, why is it ok when it's Stiles? And it also just shows how large of an age gap they have when Derek is around Stiles' age and he's literally a baby if that makes any sense.

They reconned Derek's age because if he was 19 and she was like 27-28 then he would've been 13 when they got together and she would've been 22ish. Huge pedo issue there obviously. And guess what, thats the same age gap as Sterek.

And some of you might say, 'well other shows have canon adult/child relationships!' that's true, but either it's criticized in the narrative or Pretty Little Liers (I really like that show but WTF was up with all the pedo ships???? Especially AriaxEzra) and just because a lot of things do it doesn't make the thing ok, for example, shipping Sterek.

They don't even really have any romantic chemistry, like their dynamic was funny but most of it was Derek literally hating on Stiles. Like if you're going to ship a morally dubious ship, 1) at least have it be an interesting ship? They're so boring together 🙄 and 2) own up to it!!! Most of y'all act like Derek wouldn't get thrown in jail if he was into stiles like that

Personally I like to think after some nice character development, Derek comes to see both Stiles and Scott as little brothers, but unfortunately I've become so tainted by the onslaught of inescapable sterek content that even then with a very cute, platonic relationship seems wrong, which is stupid but my brain has now blacklisted any fan content with either of them in it now...

AND DON'T GET ME STARTED ON SCOTT HATE, genuinely what is WRONG with you people?? He's the purest, sweetest character in the entire show! And sure, Stiles is more interesting as a character, but Scott is a really good protagonist. Good comparison I thought of is how in ALAB everyone is obsessed with Zuko even tho Aang is the main character. The only difference is that for some reason a big percentage of the fandom decided to shit on Scott for no reason.

Main 'reasons' I've seen:

Scott is a bad friend

- When???? Where? The only time I could kinda see that is in season 1, but think about it like this, he's 16 (A CHILD) and not only is in love for the first time, but has to deal with all the werewolf/alpha stuff that went down in that season. He's busy, he's going through it. And yeah Stiles was very involved and was doing his best to help, but Scott can't be in a million places at once. Guys, normal kids are worse friends than Scott ever was and are still good people, cause it happens sometimes. Are you constantly think about your bestie when you have a million other things going on? Probably not! And it wasn't even that bad because Scott did keep stiles in the loop 90% of the time!!! Y'all actually like Scott was Gon in the chimera ant arc 🙄

His argument with Stiles in season 5

- Was Stiles having a rough time? Yeah, absolutely. Was he in the right? Yeah. But was Scott also really going through it?? Definitely, boy was struggling. Not only does this kid have the weight of the world on his shoulders all the goddamn time, but there was the whole mess they were dealing with, Hayden was dying, he and Liam were arguing, he was having such bad anxiety his asthma was coming back... Man was not in a good headspace.

Coupled that with the very specific way that Theo lied to him (let's be honest, it really does sound like something Stiles would do for his dad), and the miscommunication of Stiles not denying that something did happen, Scott believing that it was more murder than self defense makes a lot of sense to me. And when they do finally talk it out, it's really wholesome and Scott is not only really understanding, but apologetic.

Also, again, real relationships have misunderstandings and lack of good communication all the goddamn time. This doesn't make someone a bad person or a bad friend. FICTIONAL CHARACTERS CAN HAVE FLAWS AND MAKE MISTAKES WITHOUT BEING BAD PEOPLE!!!

Really sorry this is so long and probably has mistakes in it but I was mad and it's late lol