#this is random but I also don't like the fans that act like spn was accidentally good or good despite itself

[whydotheycallmechimney]

have only been here for 19 days but seeing samgirls be like "well obviously hardcore deangirls watched the show wrong" and deangirls say "well obviously hardcore samgirls watched the show wrong" is so funny like, idk man I think it depends. maybe our biases affect our perception of the show, intentional or not. maybe the real supernatural lays somewhere between the two extremes.

[vaicomcas]

Since I am rather serious about some day writing nihpil Tanya verse I am trying out characters and Nora just doesn't make sense to me

Like She is a single mother who works, right?

Then she should have had babysitters at hand, someone who does it regularly, somone she can call if they are not available I don't know, didn't she have like friends or family or even neighbours?

Nora asking Cas or Steve who was practically a stranger to stay with her kid is just straight up stupid

Oh yeah it's totally unrealistic. What single woman would invite a random guy she obviously doesn't know anything about into her house, let alone leaving her baby with him?

Clearly the sole purpose of the Nora character and her only two or three scenes was to demonstrate Castiel being miserable and humiliated in his human life. For that reason, unlike many Castiel fans, I don't hate Nora, I don't even fault her. She never had a chance, if you know what I mean.

And really, without this contrivance, we wouldn't get the "Castiel comforting baby Tanya and vice versa" scene, which I do like, obviously. So I am grateful to her for that.

And thirdly, as far as Castiel's humiliation goes, it was so mild, especially in contrast with what the others dished out to him, it's almost inconsequential. There was zero evidence that Castiel had any feelings for her. It was just one more routine disappointment. I am more angry that Nora didn't pay for his babysitting service--Cas was homeless and needed the money.

(Really, if they want to show Castiel humiliated, they should have just showed the moment after "you can't stay " registered. They should show him realizing he had no right to be there after screwing up everything, that he had nothing to contribute anymore, that he had to be saved by the Winchesters and now he was freeloading on them. They should show him turning red and stammering and sweating and him not knowing what to do with the burrito he was eating that he had no right to be eating, they should show his rush to get out of the bunker as fast as possible even though he didn't know where to go. Compared to that? being misled into babysitting was small potatoes.

Like of all the characters on SPN that treated Castiel terribly, she was pretty low on the list. She exploited him for a few hours of free labor, sure, but unlike others, she didn't demand him to negate his own identity or to hurt himself or to die for her benefit. )

Sorry, I went off a bitter Cas girl tangent again. You didn't ask me to comment on what I think about Nora, you asked about Nora's character not making sense. The way I tried to incorporate her into my hc is to decide that she acted in this senseless way for a reason. Perhaps she was always kind of unhinged wild-child, a reckless free-spirit, but was forced to become the adoptive mother of baby (Nephilim) Tanya because her sister (Tanya's birth mother) of course died at child birth. Because of that she had to go on the run (because her sister warned her that angels and demons would be after the baby), leave her life behind, and get a job in some small Utah town that she hated. So she resented all this responsibility she didn't ask for, and resented the baby. In rebellion she pursued her own interests while dumping her baby with a stranger. But I would like to give her a redemption arc where she discovered that despite her bitterness, she grew to loved baby Tanya after all.

However, there are lots of other ways to explain her behavior too. Like she could be an undercover demon or an agent of BMOL who was spying on Castiel (this was the hc of heaven-ecologist). In this way, she could also be killed off in a fic.

And one more thing (back to the show). I totally think that after that episode, Nora kept asking Cas for babysitting and Cas kept agreeing. I don't know if Nora started paying him or not. I think Cas would have agreed even if she didn't pay (like I believe he would have agreed to babysit for free in the first place if Nora just flat out asked him honestly). I would think babysitting was a peaceful refuge during his homelessness, to have the security of a comfortable house (maybe Nora was at least decent enough to provide free food as well), alone with a baby who didn't judge him and who needed him, made him feel useful.

[laf-outloud]

I don't follow either the Padaleckis or Ackles on social media and only see the posts if brought to tumblrs such as yours. Are there any indications the Ackles are involved in giving back to Austin organizations, social causes, etc. as the Padaleckis or is it strictly involvement through Random Acts? Also do the Austin media profile the Ackles as frequently as the Padaleckis?

Oof, tough ask. LOL!

For your first question, I'm going to share what I can find based on public knowledge, but just know that both the Ackles and Padaleckis may make donations that are not advertised to the public.

I know the Ackles and Padaleckis (no link with a single list for Jared) were involved with a number of charities throughout SPN's run, though it appears that's dropped off for the Ackles after SPN ended. Jared and Gen are consistent supporters of OutYouth in Austin, ProChoice groups, along with Jared's support of To Write Love on Her Arms (with his AKF campaigns), Wounded Warriors, and encouraging his fans to support teachers through #CompleteTheList (possibly not a complete list?).

The Ackles have supported OutYouth in the past, but nothing recent that we've seen. And I guess you could say Danneel's supported other causes like Hurricane Relief and ProChoice, though her visible support for these causes consists of a single IG Post.

When asked recently for Jensen's birthday charity project which charity he wanted to choose, he chose Random Acts, where Danneel is on the board, and he mentioned RA in the recent Crossroads panel.

As for their involvement with Random Acts, both Danneel and Gen were on the board as of 2020 (latest report available), and while the Crossroads panel made it sound like Danneel's has significant involvement in the work they do, unless she's increased her workload in the last couple of years, the latest annual report only shows her and Gen as working 1/2 hour per week. It's been posited that Gen's on the board simply to make sure any donations they make are used appropriately. I don't know if Danneel's purpose is the same.

As to the second question, the press for Jensen and Danneel in the past couple of years has mostly consisted of articles that pull information from IG posts and previous interview quotes. They did a couple of live chats in 2020, one with Jewel, and another with JDM and Hilarie, but officially, the most recent press I can find with both of them was their Architectural Digest feature back in Nov. 2018. If your looking at Austin-specific press, the last I can find is a tour of the brewery back in March of 2018.

I also think the Austin press is enamored with the Padalecki's because Jared brough an entire film production to Austin, supporting the economy and raising visibility. It makes sense the city doesn't profile the Ackles as often as the Padalecki's. (Plus, the Ackles moved to Colorado during the pandemic so I don't think they're really considered Austin-ites.)

Anyway, TLDR: The Padalecki's publicly support multiple charities and are frequently featured by the Austin press. LOL!

[scripted-downfall]

You know I have some really unfriendly opinions on Misha and especially Jensen but I don't go out of my way to try to make their fans upset. Don't be a dick.

So, I usually don't plan on addressing the various vituperative messages that have built up in my ask box --- just a brief side note to the others about that... I did say that it was always open, but that is not, btw, an invitation to be bullied! Luckily, however, I really don't care. So. Go off, I guess! (Side question: if I give you permission to yell at me in my ask box, will you leave everyone else alone? Because I'd make that trade.) --- but yours actually makes an argument that I can address, instead of just spitting random opinions as though they're facts, all proceeded by "LOL", so I'm going to respond.

Despite my natural proclivity for sarcasm, I mean this completely honestly; it's really cool that you have, as you term them, unfriendly opinions on Misha and Jensen. And, while I, personally, disagree --- at least as regards their acting; like I've said repeatedly, I don't know everything (or even that much) about them irl --- I honestly welcome you to share them! There are tons of people out there who are bound to feel similarly --- it's a statistical certainty, given the size of the SPN fandom --- and I cannot say enough how satisfying it can be to find people of like-minded ways of thinking.

There's a difference between expressing one's opinion, however, and "[going] out of my way to try to make their fans upset." It's not like I left these messages untagged, or anything like that; they weren't left with solely generic tagging, with something along the lines of "#supernatural", "#sam winchester", "#jared padalecki", etc. Indeed, I marked this as explicitly "#anti jared padalecki" every time, precisely because I didn't want people to be exposed to the post unless they chose to look at things tagged that way; I marked it this way so people knew what they were getting into.

If his fans saw this post, then they actively sought it out. I will take responsibility for what I said --- largely because I said it and stand by it: I don't like his acting, probably never will, and nobody (especially not random jarpad stans online, who took the four hours in which I was sleeping as free reign to spam my inbox with asks whose anonymous statuses suggest that they weren't even willing to take credit for them in public) is going to change my opinion on this --- but I do not take responsibility for, as you put it, "going out of my way to try to make [his] fans upset." They chose to be here same as I did.

Also. Speaking as a fan of Jensen's acting, a fan of Misha's acting, and a very severe anti to Padalecki's acting: if you like Jared's acting, that's valid! If you dislike Misha/Jensen? That's valid! Opinions --- especially differing ones --- are good; they're measures of individuality, of free will, et cetera. A number of my friends love Jared and Sam, and dealing with that is really easy! I just don't talk to them about the fact that I dislike either of their faves. With the exception of the occasional good-tempered debate --- where they're giving as good as they get, and we're both speaking in good fun --- it just doesn't come up! And that's fine!

There's a difference between having an opinion and trying to force other people to share it. I never said that Jared stans should come look at the posts, and I haven't exactly been subtle about disliking Sam up to this point; indeed, a brief search on "anti sam winchester" yields about 20 results on my blog. If his fans choose to come onto my blog, that's their choice. And if we're at the point where expressing a contrasting opinion to any group of people is "going out of my way to try to make [them] upset", then our society is discouraging individuals from thinking for themselves, and that's problematic in and of itself.

So, yeah. Differing opinions = good. Expressing opinions = good. Trying to force other people to share them = bad. Yelling at random people online because they don't love your idol = bad. It's not that hard!

[eisforeidolon]

The dramatic add ons on that essay from OP about Jensen and Jared, I can't, I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this level of stupidity and idk, belligerence, I think is the word? Claiming that oh, not only is the "supernatural magic" broken, but that Supernatural had also simultaneously during its run "drained the passion" out of them, and if it weren't for TB and Walker, they would've retired. I'm not going to pretend the last years of Supernatural were great. I mean, that's literally the reason it ended, because it was clear to them that it was no longer what it used to be, and if they didn't end it soon, it would get worse. But, I'm unsure of how that correlates to them wanting to retire from their careers? I've heard whisperings that Jared wanted to maybe take a step back or a break, I don't know if that's true that he said this because I haven't heard it myself, but I'm certain that Jensen never indicated he was looking to retire after Supernatural, he's as passionate about acting as he's ever been. Soooo..... where is this coming from? And on top of that, just being plain condescending and dismissive of their new projects? "I don’t think what they have been doing is good enough. They are more than what they are doing." said directly after "They could be cops, escaped fugitives, ghosts, anything."......... Both of them have played cops since Supernatural, Soldier Boy was a fugitive, Dean was a ghost in TW. So, in addition to how rude it is to dismiss the work they're doing, clearly the issue isn't the kind or quality of roles they're taking, it's that they're not doing it together. Though OP seems to have some specific resentment towards Jensen, he's the big bad evil, and Jarer is a victim, clearly in their eyes, neither Jensen nor Jared are good enough unless they're attached at the, well, everything, and only working with each other. That...... is just truly a mess that I don't understand. They're their own people, actors, with their own careers. They gave fifteen years to this show, them now wanting to explore other things isn't a crime, it's only natural 🤦🏻‍♀️

Yeah, the whole thing was just ... totally bizarre to me.

The retirement thing especially. Like, J2 explicitly said they were sick of doing that many hours for that many episodes per season a few times. They also said they were wanting to end it before it completely ran out of gas/wore out its welcome/etc. and come back later in a different format afresh. But even when Jared was making noises about semi-retiring post-SPN (I recall at least one convention where he openly said something to that effect)? He made it clear he was still wanting to do stuff behind the camera and would likely appear in friends' projects and whatever might catch his fancy. Jensen, to my recollection, didn't say anything about stepping back from acting, just not wanting to continue in a co-lead role on a non-ensemble show with 20+ episodes per season. They weren't burnt out on acting so much as burnt out on the kind of schedules they had to keep as the only central characters in every episode of a weekly show that filmed in a different country from where their families live.

Like, okay, if you want to only be interested in Jared and Jensen as J2 together, that's a choice, I guess? But they don't owe you to continue only doing projects together because that's what you, random fan #14268331, want.

[ranwing]

Hey! Just came across your post about TW being a clusterfuck and I 100% agree with everything you said. Also remember you from waaaay back on the lol-darren posts and wanted to tell you that your takes are still awesome!

Isn't it funny that DCriss and Jensen were lauded for being ~the best thing ever! for so long and they totally believed in their own hype? Just a random thought in my head. But honestly I hope Jensen wakes up from this ego drunken binge he's been having...if only because Jared still seems to value their friendship. If not, well. I don't see how screaming into mics in the guise of a concert and making petty, snide remarks is gonna help him.

Glad that my DCriss stuff hasn't been forgotten! You're right that it's kind of the same thing as we have with Jensen. Two moderately talented men who got lauded well beyond their actual abilities and believe that they're the Gods gifts to the acting world and have fanbases that run roughshod over everyone else. While I always had a limited tolerance for DC (and grew to really detest him long before Glee ended), I used to really like Jensen. But the past few years have been really unfortunate. I think that it came as a real shock to him that when SPN ended that the job offers he was expecting weren't as forthcoming (and he didn't have a Ryan Murphy-type sugar daddy the way DC did). When Jared announced Walker, I'm sure that really hit Jensen right in his ego. After so many years of being treated by a segment of the SPN fandom that he was the more important/talented/handsome of the J2 team, seeing his costar racing ahead to a new job would not have sat well.

And both have fans that are... extra in the worst way possible. Like DCs fans (and the CrissColfer/Klaine fans who always treated Darren as the more important of the pairings), the AAs have done their best to make the SPN fandom a pretty toxic environment. You can't compliment Jared or criticize Jensen without being jumped all over. And don't get me started about the Misha/Destial fans. Ugh...

I do hope that Jensen will wake up because his behavior since SPN ended has really tarnished my image of him.

[riecaloca]

I go by Rie_ call me it if u want.

she/they. in my early 20s.

I am pro choice. don't follow me unless u are too.

also warning, don't follow me if u can't handle getting your dash flooded with my stuff once every 3 weeks or so. i'm not on much but when i am, OH BOI, u will know.

Other than random shit, I mostly post about: Narnia, The Umbrella Academy, The Sandman, Bridgerton, Supernatural, and First Kill.

I also post about the Grishaverse, TWD, Star Trek, and Sex Education on occasion.

I am currently obsessed with Narnia and SPN the most tho.

Warning: I am not a fan of Taylor Swift. Now, if you (a swiftie) can respect that, I can respect you and your posts about Taylor. Let's act like adults, we can have different opinions.

[sacrificialsam]

like genuinely unless acting or an actor is relevant to the discussion i don't want to hear your personal opinions about jared. it doesn't matter. he could be the worst person alive and it wouldn't change my point when i'm talking about fictional character sam winchester. and this wasn't even about sam's likability or personality, it's about fans voicing opinions i disagree with. you don't need to like sam to engage productively with issues like biphobia in fandom, i have had incredibly thoughtful responses to that post even when a commenter disagreed with parts of it. also loser behavior to add '*and* dean' because you can't handle the fact that one single spn post isn't about dean or speaking positively about him. i know you can technically add tags to anything, but i'm asking you to consider how useful it really is to type out the 100th tag about hating jarpad under random posts that mention sam.

normal response under my post discussing gendered stereotypes and how dean fans react to them, specifically how i've seen it expressed in sentiments of biphobia and misogyny against sam. really used your brain for that one.

[pray4jensen]

You don't tweet "I'm your huckleberry ", say you know the hellers have your back, like tweets about Cas at his bachelor party, say your booking weddings to then go "what wedding?". Like dude. We had our fun. We boosted you up. You didn't have to tweet about a wedding but you shouldn't sit there playing dumb and saying it didn't happen and act innocent. Should of just taken a lesson from Jensen

yeah they’re both assholes. chad was advertising his cameo all day. he used the fans for financial gain and didn’t even have the decency to play along. major yikes.

but also tbh, i’m gonna be honest. when i saw what they were doing, i was wary. i really wish this fandom hadn’t taken the bait. i really wish we were beyond taking validation from actors who appeared for all of 2 min on our show. it’d be one thing if it came from jensen or misha (i would die if it did), but another from actors who left the show the same year castiel appeared. they didn’t know him as a character. they didn’t see his development. and they didn’t see how the relationship between dean and cas flourished. 

idk. i’m tired. i saw a lot of people in the days leading up to valentine’s justifying their happiness while talking about stuff like this, but it was exhausting. i think celebrating dean and cas and their wedding was wonderful and beautiful, but i wish it had sprung from us instead of them. and i hope we can keep celebrating destiel in the lively way that we did do, but next time, i hope it’s because of fans and not because of random people with a flimsy connection to spn who only want to use us for clout and nothing more.

[angeloncewas]

no pressure to answer this any time soon (bc god knows we've had enough bad vibes today) but how you you deal with claims such as some of the ones in the anons shown here? i find it hard to just brush away serious things like claims of anti-blackness even when i know the information those claims are based on is faulty. how do you go about not feeling like a horrible person when you see stuff like that?

Well, to be honest, I don't really have to. I very rarely see stuff like that on my dash, since the only blog I follow that isn't at least an ex-mcyt fan is a random SPN-enjoyer whose vibes I liked. I've also only gotten 3 hate anons ever - all of which were mediocre at best (two that were accusing me of defending Dream in a situation where I was criticizing him so they held no weight, and that bs one about wishing apologists a good day lol) so those claims never really get on my radar.

(It actually makes me feel a little guilty at times; so many kind and wonderful people in this community have had to deal with an overwhelming amount of hate in their inbox or directed toward them, whereas I get off scot-free. This sounds weird, but it doesn't feel fair. I hope the people involved with that blog are doing okay - I'm very sorry that they had to deal with that, especially as mostly-outsiders.)

As for the claims themselves though, I kind of just have a lot of confidence in my own knowledge and judgement. There was a period of my life where I got sucked into a BaB/exclusionist community, and because of that I think I know better than most people how perceived harm can bring a group of people together in their hatred and spread like wildfire. I commend people for standing up for what they believe in - apathy is the enemy - but I also am not swayed by misinformation when I know for a fact that it is such. There is a possibility that some DSMP members are racist - in the same way there is a possibility that any creator is a horrible person. As consumers, our job is to remain critical and vigilant (which is why I'll never agree with the notion that crit-posting is pointless, though I do understand that it can be nitpicky at times), but that doesn't mean we can't enjoy content based on our good judgement.

This might sound a bit egotistical, but I know that I'm a good person. I do as much activist work in my offline life as I can and I'm hoping to do a lot more as we re-acclimate to things (in terms of COVID). I work to stay politically informed and stand up against acts of bigotry (or microaggression) that are oftentimes very easy to just let slide for the sake of everyone getting along. And as someone who has had many hopeless days, I do my best to keep others from feeling that way through whatever means I can. Some random anonymous person online is not going to be able to detract from everything I've worked on and for with their poorly-researched claims about some internet dude I'm currently into. I understand that this is easier said than done, and you shouldn't feel bad if those claims do get to you (that means you care, and that's important), but I want to remind you that we are often smarter than we give yourselves credit for. You have good judgement. You are (presumably) aware of the situation. You're not brushing it away, you're refuting it with evidence (by learning what actually happened and the details of each situation, etc etc).

It's a difficult part of being in this community, for sure, but all we can really do is combat the bullshit and keep going. It sucks to know that so many people have so many misconceptions about us and the people whose content we're supporting, but their failure to look into the full scope of the situation doesn't make you a bad person and their perspective on the subject isn't the end-all be-all. Trust yourself.

[hippychick006]

Local spn convention group posted about the new jared campaign on STANDS. All I said was "wish it wasn't Stands" got bitched out, then told "you make fun of a decent company. Expect this." Misha fans are so fucking toxic. I dont like buying from company so I don't warrant common social respect? Lol ok. Go fuck yourself.

Misha’s cult followers are psychotic, best not to engage. They are rabid. I called out that nutcase Intelligentshipper’s fake numbers once and you’d think I’d murdered a toddler live on kid’s TV.

I also wish it wasn’t Stands, which is not a decent company at all. They lied about Misha’s ownership of them. They aren’t open and honest about what type of company they are, they misused Pride and their social media account bullies and encourages disharmony in fandom. They also are not open about how much goes to charities and what little does go to charity, it goes via the black hole of RA. And finally, they hate people that like the leads and correctly say Misha isn’t a lead.

All we can do is say why we aren’t supporting it and leave it at that. I do like the products he’s chosen but Stands and Random Acts are two nopes from me, as is the charities benefiting (as to me none of them are mental illness which I thought AKF was), and finally the “portion of proceeds” is concerning from a campaign Jared has headed up.

I’ve seen people donating directly to mental illness charities in Jared’s name in lieu of giving anything to Misha’s pocket which is what I’m doing so charities will still benefit.

[mattmaesonnatural]

ok outside of supernatural, how well known are misha and jensen, because all of my life (literally, I was like 8 when supernatural came out, and watched it for the first time when I was 16, I do not know a timeline where Jensen or Misha were not on supernatural or when there was no such thing as supernatural because I was either a) too young to know or not aware or a baby/child or b) Probably never seen Jensen or Misha prior to their time of supernatural - I can list you one celebrity that I had seen prior to a tv show he was in - schitt's creek if you must know and the actor is called Noah Reid, he was on Franklin, which I used to watch when I was little).

So back to my point, cause I feel like Misha would get non-spn fans from maybe his Random Acts and Gishwhes, but then again, I feel like apart from maybe word of mouth, the majority of them would be supernatural fans (also on a side note, I reckon we should give Misha credit for celebrities doing those sort of omaze stuff, cause he was doing it WAY before everyone else did). Then with Jensen, I reckon maybe his time on Days of Our Lives, Dawson's Creek and Smallville, that being said I don't know how big his following was back then I haven't really thought about it that much, all I know is that he'd now have a larger following because of supernatural. But I'm more interested in how both have followings outside of supernatural. Also on a side note, how did Misha meet Hilary Swank.

I'm the same as you (was 8 in 2005. and started the show when I was 16)

tbh I don't think I would know Jensen and Misha if it weren't for Tumblr. Like if I hadn't joined back in 2011 and I genuine think, even though I've been active on stan twitter I genuinely wouldn't really know them. or maybe just only associate them with spn.

I do think it's awesome though that they have fans from outside the fandom and hopefully with the new projects they're doing that fanbase grows cause they are awesome guys and I love them both dearly.

also i dont actually know how he knows Hilary Swank but they are friends somehow?

[divorceddanneel]

Did you get my ask before? About how antis were talking about the Hollywood girls? They call them slits and white just wow, the guys clearly like and respect them their jealousy is showing. Also I don't get the Misha hate okay some of the things he's said is questionable but isn't that everyone? He's human too? And no matter you have to admit Random acts actually does help people. And the whole their friendship is fake (sure that's why the spent 11+ years working on the same show together)

yep, here it is!

the Hillywood crew are super professional and fun! anyone hating on them like that either has a shipping agenda to push or they are jealous and delusional. Since Hillywood is about a lot of fandoms and not just spn-centric, I wonder if they get similar hate from “fans” of other shows or if SPN was particularly bad.

Ohhhh Misha, Misha, Misha. His humor is too dry for his own good, sometimes. It makes him an easy target. And yeah, RA isn’t a freaking money laundering scheme or something, but some creeps really wish it was. The go-diane anti was obsessed with trying to defame Misha, it was almost scary.

J2M are professional af, and they clearly are friends. When “fans” get really insecure, they tend to look for ways to justify disliking one actor and/or liking another the most. people need to chill out lol

[j2madhatters]

Why Padalecki marriage annoys me - non Tinhat perspective

I can safely say that never before has a marriage annoyed me as much as the Padalecki marriage.  Even the Ackles’ behavior is reasonable.  They don’t kiss and make out public because Jensen is not an exhibitionist sort.  I have never respect PDAs.  In my opinion, it is inappropriate.  But remember, I am not a tinhat so you can draw your own conclusions about why the Ackles don’t “display” their love in public.  There is nothing wrong with theorizing. 

Genevieve, and Jared [when he is in husband mode] just irritate me.  They oversell it.  In the beginning, I thought she was so lucky to have a husband like him.  He is so beautiful.  He’s so sensitive.  He earns well.  He is respected in his field.  Plus he cried on their wedding day.  How beautiful is that?  For years afterwards, he would gush over her during his panels.  At first, I smirked, then I became poker faced, then I became mildly annoyed and then one day [I even remember the panel] it just got too noticeably exhibitionist.  It was the last question.  Timothy Omundson was called on stage, pretending to be the last question.  And he comically fangirled uncontrollably before perching himself on the designated chair.  His question was “who is your favourite guest star, and why is it Timothy Omundsom?’‘  It was a funny question, and Jensen went with it, saying that he was a fan of Omundson’s beard, which caused Robbie to throw a faux hissy fit because he had a beard too, darn it.  But Jensen pointed out that his beard was pathetic because it was short and he couldn’t braid it.  After the laugh fest, Jared gave his answer:  ’'My favorite guest star is Gen, because she’s my wife and the mother of my children”. 

For some reason, that is pissed me right off.  It was a funny question.  It didn’t warrant a serious, gushy husband reply.  Some witless creature made a mistake of pointing this out, in the comment section.  The entire page converged on her.  Even people who had initially agreed with her, backtracked.  I felt angry at this fandom's self-censoring.  I realized she was over loved, not because of any personal merit, but because she married Jared.  They were calling her a queen.  Seriously?  A queen.  For what?  So I went on the internet to see if I was the only weird person who couldn’t detect her monarchical merits. 

That was last year-ish.  How do you think I stumbled onto tinhats.  I like most hats because it seems they don't conform to the politically correct norm of ’'treat the wives like gold’’.  And they don’t ask tinhat questions during panels.  Unlike the leeches who love destiel and Misha Collins.  Jared was becoming too extra when it came to Genevieve.  And I noticed he inserted an obligatory Gen mention at least once, in every single panel.  Even after seven years, he was far too “in love”.  And eventually, instead of being happy for their happiness, I started feel like they were rubbing their domestic bliss in everyone’s face.  “look at what we’ve got, nyah nyah nyah.’'  My polite and genuine [but not over the top] respect for their marriage dissipated.

You know who he reminded me off.  He reminded me of Tom Cruise when he was a guest on Oprah and was over pushing the epic love he had for Katie Holmes, jumping on the couch and fist pumping the air.  That incident, I found humorous and embarrassing.  This was plain irritating.  I noticed he’s slowed down now.  The unnecessary wife mentions sometimes don’t even make an appearance, for which I am thankful.  I wonder why though.  Unless he is telling a story that she is a part of, like the Highway story, he doesn’t mention her anymore.  My non tinhat guess is that he was aware that fans were getting pissed off, especially since, he had mentioned something about her in a panel recently [I don’t remember which one], and someone in the front row said:  We know! 

Another thing I don’t like about this relationship is Genevieve intruding on fan space.  If people are paying bucket loads to see their favorite actor, unless they specifically ask for a guest appearance by the actor’s wife, don’t intrude.  Once, Genevieve appeared on stage, during a J2 panel, to contribute something unnecessary to the story they were recounting.  I think it was the highway story.  Then she made sure she kissed him before leaving, while the crowd watched.  Why?  She added nothing fresh to the story, and couldn’t she wait to leave the stage, to kiss her husband.  She isn’t paying to see her husband.  The fans are.  Don’t take that precious time away from them. 

And I noticed, she usually sits at the side of the stage, overseeing the whole exchange.  As far as I know, Danneel hasn’t done that yet.  Why the need to loom over the proceedings?  Does she love to hear him talk?  That reminds me of the livestream they did, where he was talking and she mouthed ’'blah blah blah’' while making a mocking hand gesture, because apparently he was talking too much.  So obviously Jared’s yammering doesn’t entertain her.  

Then at Jib, she got to join the panel.  I didn’t fault her for attending because apparently the previous year, he had gotten sick and didn’t make the con.  I assumed she was there for moral support.  I am a non hatter so that is my analysis.  You cant of course, explain your perspective.  But that doesn’t mean she needs to be on stage.  For what?  Its not like she did something spectacular whilst there.  Rob, Rich and Jared had to take over the discussion because she was so dull.  Eventually even Jensen joined in, revved the crowd up even further, and left.  One of her fan girls complained that the boys ’'didn’t even let her speak”.  Thank goodness they didn’t.  

She is inserting herself between Jared and the fan, and now people are forced to be enthusiastic about her.  Its so unfair.  It almost seems like Genevieve wants shared custody of the fans.  That is not how fame works.  You earn it.  You don’t inherit it.  I started to get more and more annoyed with being forced, [by all of fandom, I thought] to go crazy over some woman, I could care less for.  She wasn’t impressive as fake Ruby.  And I was not the only one who thought so.  Cassidy was a bland actor, in my humble opinion.  Genevieve was worse. 

The only reason she didn’t fade into oblivion, like all the other female actors, is because she married Jared.  There was a blog called anti-Genevieve on Tumblr, that received a lawyers letter to cease and desist, because of defamation of character.  Its her right to safeguard her reputation, so no problem there, especially if the blog is over malicious without proof or facts.  I did visit the site.  But I don’t remember seeing anything horrible other than her being called a beard.  But it has been a while so maybe I just forgot.  

However,  there is another blog called Supernatural Snark.  Almost the entire blog bashes Jared for everything that comes out of his mouth.  One day, an ask about Jensen’s weird behavior at Jibcon, illicited an odd response from the blogger.  The asker said that Jensen’s breakdown was Misha, Jared and the destiheller’s fault because Misha queerbaits his fans, Jared teases destiel and the fans abused Jensen on Twitter after Jaxcon.  She said Jensen was trying to pacify the fans.  The blogger said that it didn’t make sense for Jensen to wait six months to pacify the fans.  Then she disabled the comment so the asker couldn’t respond.  Of course, even I know he waited six months, because he shares no other panel with Misha.  That’s when I realized that Supernatural Snark is a heller blog. 

How come Genevieve doesn’t send a cease and desist lawyer’s letter to this witch.  I think I know why.  She only looked for anti stuff about herself on the net and that’s how she found this page.  If she was looking for anti Jared blogs, she would have found Supernatural Snark.  The Minute Maid commercial and her words in it were a little incentive.  She said she was making so many sacrifices.  Well missy, bundle up your babies and buzz off to Vancouver.  You husband is not gone off to war.  You are sacrificing nothing. 

She doesn’t seem to care for him.  She doesn’t care about his campaign.  She never tags AFK for anything.  She tags Random Acts, though.  The thing that makes my blood boil, on a personal level, is that she claims that she also suffers from depression.  As a bipolar sufferer myself, the one trend I noticed is that when people are impatient with me, and I point out that I have bipolar disorder, they quickly say that they also suffer from depression, so they don’t look bad.  Since when does she have depression.  Because if she did, she wouldn’t ignore her husband’s campaign that is supposed to help people like her.  Is she sharing in her husband’s sympathy the same way she is sharing his fame? 

She has diehard fans on Instagram.  One of them is Ivana.  Ivana gushily asked Genevieve to sign her name so that Ivana could have it tattooed.  I was surprised.  When did Gen become a rockstar?  Then I realized that Ivana has her own SM page where she says she is ITK and best buds with Genevieve.  So she knows that Jared abuses his wife and neglects his children.  Ivana is a heller.  Her best friend Lua James [@Poptivist on Twitter], led a smear campaign against J2 for the Nolacon joke.  Her followers are the ones that made this problem reach MSM.  And J2 had to apologize, publicly, for nothing.  That is ok, because what Lua and gang were initially hoping for was for separates for the boys' panels, so that Jared wouldn’t be near Jensen.  Genevieve is making herself the whip with which hellers can beat Jared.

And both Ivana and Lua cornered Danneel at one con to tell her how everyone hated her, except them.  That was their snide contribution to tinhat hate.  Danneel signed Poptivist’s SPN magazine, with the caption:  “He is mine, bitches”… something inappropriate like that.  Danneel was wrong for writing that.  I noticed she fights with Jensen’s fans a lot.  Ungracious.  Lua is so toxic that she needs a guard at the cons, supplied by Creation to keep an eye on her.  WTF!!!  I always wondered why she wasn’t just excluded, but I think it’s because she is friends with a Creation staff member who also happens to be Misha’s relative.  And because she is a Misha fan girl, she gets to stay. 

That’s why Misha’s face appears on the main posters with J2, despite him not being a lead.  Because he is related to staff.    The wives have no fans, but I think Genevieve’s ego is in denial.  Her intellect isn’t, which is why Jared’s appears in her vlogs.  He is the deal sealer for her.  One day this pompousness is going to backfire on Gen.  I hope she figures that out one day. 

APOLOGIES FOR ANOTHER LONG POST.  I HOPE YOU DONT MIND.

Thank you for your submission, I’ve always wondered what non-hats make of the OTT parade and the wife stanning.

[eisforeidolon]

I really really wish I could see prequelgate as not a big deal,but just today Jared said it almost broke their friendship forever,he moved on bc he loves Jensen but he was obviously hurt.I also love Jensen,it hurt me to see him doing all of this and treating Sam as less than an after thought,I really wish I could move on,but I thought he loved SPN,Idk as I said is sad and it didn’t help Jensen fans treat us as if we are crazy for being shocked Jensen did that,everybody was shocked,nobody expected he would exclude Jared like that.It’s also funny now AAs and hellers are saints that just mind their business and don’t attack Jared for breathing,please.

I have no idea where you're getting the idea anyone is calling hellers/AA saints, so I'm not touching that. As to what Jared said today, are you talking about the Inside of You Interview, or something else? Because I don't see any other new Jared news today and we did not get the same general feeling out of what Jared said about prequelgate [X] (transcript with some ums/likes omitted included below the cut). Which is just the specific part about the prequel and not even including the two other parts of the interview where he gushed about Jensen's work ethic and was so proud of the chairback pranks he got to pull on him on Walker.

I'm not telling you that you can't feel the way you feel. However, speaking as someone who has had their own adult friendships spanning decades with their own rocky moments? It's their relationship and if they're over it, I'm over it. I kind of get the impression a lot of fans are very upset to realize a couple of random actors aren't perfect people with a completely perfect friendship, as if such a thing even exists.

MR: Did you and Jensen settle, did the dust settle with the whole thing when he announced that the Supernatural prequel and then you tweeted and all that stuff? Did you guys have a talk and have a laugh about it?

Jared: We had, we had a laugh and a cry, man. Yeah, we - I mean, you know, we're two grown ass men with spouses and kids and mortgages and car payments and this and that. And so we did link up, or sync up or whatever, and talk on the phone and I've seen him many times since. He just directed, we were just in some city together ... Denver? Las Vegas, Denver, Dallas - I've seen him many times. We were together in Austin three or four days ago. I love the guy, man. Like, and he loves me back, I have no doubt. And I think he and I would both would rather things had gone down a different way. They didn't, but it's not productive to say, like, who is to blame or what happened. It's productive to go, like - I mean, I feel part of me feels like, you know if you are in a relationship with somebody? Friend, family, or whatever? And you haven't gone through hardship? Then you don't really know - it's once you go through a hardship of some sort and then your instinct goes to like, 'I want to make this right or I want to say goodbye to this.' And he and I both figured the former, like, 'Hey I want to make this right.' This is gonna sound like, 'Hey everybody out there, go get in a fight with people you love!' And that's not what I'm saying.

MR: But too strong of a friendship to let something like this kinda get ya?

Jared: Sure, yeah yeah yeah, things - I mean, goddamn. Can you name anybody you love and have spent this much time with as an adult, as a sovereign adult human being, that you haven't kind of been like, 'Dude, like, I wish this was different, and they like I wish that was different.'

MR: Yeah, I've said the wrong things, I've acted the wrong way, this is this thing called life. Again, it comes back to not being hard on yourself, you know what I mean? Or, or the people you love most.

Jared: Yeah, yeah. We're straight, man, I mean I want to be really clear because I know ... You know, you always see, like, twitter trolls and stuff, and all that. So I want to be abundantly clear, man, nobody believes in Jensen more than I do. I look at him -

MR: You said that, baby, you said that and I, it's touching, that's touching. I think him hearing that - he knows how you feel about him.

Jared: He knows. He knows, yeah.

[egwinch26]

Let me tell something about Jared Padalecki and Jensen Ackles, that i wanted to share a long time ago and then i could'nt wait to post:

I love them both,i think they are amazing and everything terrific about Supernatural was because of them and Kripte, but...

In the last mounths i noticed an incredible differenze between Jared and Jensen, such as Ackled that get a role in The Boys where he is not the main character and not the director or producer,but still getting more attention than Padalecki, that I frendly remind you that is working hard on two CW shows while being the lead actor,producer and director.

I also hate when people say that there is nothing wrong with that,even when the real problem is JA's attitudes and decisions:

Such as the Supernatural prequel,that is in my opinion and incredible BAD IDEA, that only ruins Spn's reputation and story, and the way he don't inform Jared of this new progect is a red flag for all of this; the fact that a lot of people give hate to jared for saying he didn't know publicly (he did nothing but the right thing).

Also,If you have seen some random videos about them taking photos with fans and give them autographes you will agree with me about this;

Every time, Jared is acting exatly like 23 years ago when he started his carrer: sweet,funny and ALWAYS ready to give to fans the same love and admiration they give to him.

Jensen is really different from the Supernatural era (full of stuff with Jared and Misha),now he is the "classic diva",not taking his sunglasses off for a photo and act like the next Brad Pitt,a lot of people think the same as me, he does not care about fans or conseguences to his success,i'm not kidding, i like him but i notice this and i'm very confused...

I can't tell if Jensen can't let Supernatural go, or he want to forget it (and also stop to treat Jared in the same way as he always used to do)

I'm just concerned about the future,but maybe is just a moment and he (JA) will be himself again.