#thinking about how the last thing she said to gideon was “don't leave me” in this chilis tonight

[lastflowerofyourhouse]

let me paint you a picture.

harrowhark nonagesimus is seventeen years old. a young seventeen. a horribly old seventeen. she has known one home in her entire life. she exists wholly and completely to protect it, and she has never treated it with anything but complete and ardent love. these people are not good, they have not been good to her or for her, but they are her family and she is their gaurdian, and it is home. she is a creature of habits and routines, and drearburh is everything she's ever known. she is seventeen.

and she recieves a letter. it offers her everything she needs. a way to protect her family, to save her home, to ensure that everything she knows and loves is safe and prosperous, and that they will never again need as desperately as they needed her. but she has to leave them. she has to leave them for the first time in her entire life, and she may never come back.

she is permitted to bring one person from home. only one. she may not bring the man who raised her, or the woman who advised her, or the vulnerable elderly whose lives she has been carefully extending since she was a child.

she has a cavalier, though. he is the very model of a drearburh cavalier. he is precisely what her competition will be expecting, and he will do whatever she asks of him. she knows he will try to escape, of course, because she knows they've got a shuttle coming. he and his mother will try to steal the shuttle, inevitably, if it arrives.

the solution is simple. cancel the shuttle. bar ortus's mother from the room when the announcement is made. there's nothing the mother can do.

but harrow doesn't do that. she doesn't cancel the shuttle. she wants them to take it. she doesn't want ortus. instead, she spends an entire night wrecking her hands in hard dirt, doesn't even use a shovel in her desperation. she doesn't want ortus.

harrowhark nonagesimus is going to be alone, in an unfamiliar environment, for the first time in her entire life. she is going to be barred from her only home, perhaps forever. she is seventeen years old.

and she wants gideon nav.

[starberry-cupcake]

I came back!!! I didn't leave you for 5 months!!! And now I have 3 chapter updates together!!! I'm kissing you all in the brow tenderly like palmolive did to harrow and offering this recap

previously, in harrowcita del 9:

this happened

CHAPTER 34

harrow wakes up in a different spot, with camilla next to her and a shuttle with a design she has never seen before

she confirms that palmolive is indeed in his bachelor apartment in the river

camilla is very glad she doesn't have to go back to sweep the floor of canaan house for more palmolive bits

harrowcita does as palm told her and turns the skull into a hand because cam doesn't want a full skeleton reproduction because "it would get her in trouble"

customs are nasty up there in space

harrow goes to check up the shuttle and finds more old pals!!!

there's judith, remember judith?

in harrow's memory, she was dead from the slasher waker sleeper, but in our memory she was close to dead but not quite

turns out she's alive

not great for anyone other than herself, but anyway

there's also regina george twin

harrow remembers her falling to her death in the hands of mayonnaise uncle, but we remember her from crying in a corner last we saw her

after yandere twin had slurped chad the third and all that

this is again confusing me a bit, because clearly harrow remembers the gideon-less narrative but not!dulcinea is included in her memory, so that's still undetermined for me

there's also a poster of a woman harrow takes quite some time looking at

she: 1) looks intimidating, 2) is dressed in black, 3) has red hair

harrow immediately starts bleeding

"that portrait frightened you more than anything you had seen since becoming a Lyctor; it scared the irresolute piss from your body. Yet you had never seen the face before in your life"

my immediate theory is that maybe she's the leader of BOE who went missing about 20 years ago and that I mentally connect to gideon or gideon's mom

without any evidence other than math and a hunch

we'll see how wrong I am in the following chapters

harrow starts taking out her letters for everyone present

past!harrow wanted present!harrow to silence judith (valid) and protect regina george twin, only silence her if necessary

yandere twin had added some annotations on this about not hurting her sister

these letters were google docs

regina george twin has a ninth house rapier

I WONDER WHAT THAT IS ABOUT

harrow does as told (by herself) but wants to know what is going on so she un-silences judith momentarily and judith is an asshole who wants to rat someone out to the emperor

idk how things are at BOE or what is going on but here we don't stan the emperor so anyone who wants to protect him isn't my friend

camilla gives the ninth pledge to convince her to let them leave and says "we're not on the same side anymore"

PROMISING

when asked who took them from canaan house and who they're with, camilla says "you call them Blood Of Eden"

POSTER THEORY NOT CONFIRMED BUT I WONDER

CHAPTER 35

back in gideon-less universe with ortus and his polycule the fifth

abby thinks the lost chambers of the emperor run sidelong to the facility, which is information I very much would have liked her to elaborate on

but harrowcita is spotted listening in on the private conversation

harrow also keeps wanting ortus to do gideon stuff and show gideon behavior

she doesn't know that's what she wants but we know because she keeps being like "ortus doesn't start immediately doing push ups after almost dying, isn't showing his arms to the young ones and hasn't said a single dirty joke, which isn't ninth behavior but she's somehow expecting it".

canaan house is also growing some body horror stuff

sure, why not

abby says "time was always against us", which is pretty intense, knowing what we know

and then in comes teacher acting like he's drunk out of his ass, but he says he's not

it's great for us because drunk exposition is useful

he calls "the devil" a "her" who "bent for god to put a leash around her neck" and how the "disciples were scared" of her

then the lyctors found out what they had to do and they asked doctor reverend emperor john to kill her

but he "put her in a box"

like this

"you worship a monster in a box" "now we have a monster in a box"

I hadn't thought of those parallels, actually, that's my bad

"once that rock's rolled away, once that tomb's levered open, the Emperor of the Nine Houses will never know peace ever again"

CHAPTER 36

there's a bug in this one, like in the illustration

is this the beast?

harrow prays that not!dulcinea's body is tossed out through the airlock

WHERE HAVE I HEARD THAT BEFORE??????

OH YEAH, I HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR THAT SAME THING

at first I thought harrow didn't remember her meeting the gang because it said "and why now was one of your letters missing and another two freshly opened?"

but she does remember, so narrator (still unknown) is confusing me

playing games with my mind

they have boring code-names that aren't puns or funny nicknames (which I have a predilection for) but their initials and the initial of their cav

dr reverend emperor john has a g, which I know what word it stands for, but I don't know what it means because it showed up in a dashboard spoiler but thankfully it had no context

so there's AA for Augustine Alfred, GP for Gideon (alleged, we're still not saying that one aloud, I'm still betting on it though) Pyrrha, IN for Ianthe Naberius

which is confusing to me because I call him Chad and everyone else calls him Babs but his name is Naberius but I always read it as Nebarius

he's like a puppy that you name one way but everyone calls differently

augustine hesitates on harrow's name and says "Harrow's H"

harrow says HO and everyone's awkward about it

you sure, harrow? you sure it's O?

turns out the beast is here to get doctor reverend emperor john's sorry ass for, according to mercygirl what "you did to its kin" and "it sees my cavalier's mortal soul burning in my chest"

harrow wants to kiss ice cube barbie but she's not having it and goes "i have to go away for a while"

that's rough, buddy

mercygirl proceeds to draw a cylinder with names of layers and explains the very convoluted and not at all certain sounding plan they've got

apparently ulysses threw sexy parties that mercygirl hated

harrowcita does remember seeing regina george twin and is worried that yandere twin is the traitor that judith was taking about

I think harrow is the traitor but she doesn't know it

I think her forgetting stuff is part of a plan to kill the emperor, but my evidence is circumstantial

as long as we kill this dude, it's all good

mercygirl gives a speech about how much she hates everyone and how she wants to torture the emperor

if we are to spare one lyctor from the guillotine, let it be her

everyone has positions to take in this plan (that sounds like it's kinda doomed) and that the emperor isn't paying attention to at all

everyone except for harrow, because they all think she's gonna die

and we get potential foreshadowing?????? about the stoma

which is "hell" and the emperor says it's "where my power and my authority are utterly meaningless"

AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE NOW, FAM!!! see you next time!!!

[paradoxcase]

@wellhappybirthdaytomeiguess:

Spading is found in the always accurate Urban Dictionary as slang for sex. Probably a regional variation. :P But leave it to Gideon to make anything sound dirty.

@badcatcait:

A note on the spading thing! I think it’s slang in New Zealand specifically for flirting…but it’s also a Homestuck reference. It’s known at this point that TLT has its origins in Homestuck fandom which Muir was big in. The aliens in Homestuck have 4 types of romance based on card suits—spade/black romances are a kind of enemies-to-lovers situation where they stay enemies and hate each other but are romantically involved as well. Perfectly describes Pyrrha/Wake’s dynamic ♠️

Is there a source for it being NZ slang? Wiktionary usually lists major regional variations and slang for these sorts of things

I wouldn't put it past being a Homestuck reference, though, they did have that kind of relationship

@wellhappybirthdaytomeiguess:

Theory is that one reason John didn't 'fix the holes' was that it might make his daughter more beholden to him. We know he could likely have done so. Instead he turned her into a construct. Also, a sort of callback: GtN: “Half a dozen tendrils came after her. They would have given her an interesting array of new airholes for speed.” And then from NtN: “Those are my speed holes. They help me go fast,” said Kiriona quickly.”

If John ever was trusting of the people around him, I guess he probably moved past that since the last book, haha

and this hits hard: Gideon talking about Harrow, in HtN: “You could always leave everything else behind, but you never got rid of being so absolutely fucking goddamn sad.” And Nona talking about Gideon, NtN: “Nona had never seen anyone so sad in her whole short life.”

No one in this story is having a good time at this point. Even the villains aren't having a good time

The audiobook narration of this chapter is fantastic. Moira Quirk uses her Gideon voice, but gives it a bit more meanness of sorts, more snappishness. It's so good.

Ooh, that sounds interesting!

Do you think, generally, that Gideon seems...meaner...now? A bit of the 'came back wrong' trope?

@dreanner95:

@wellhappybirthdaytomeiguess I personally would say that she seems meaner because we are watching her from Nona's POV. Nona doesn't like her because of how she talks to her family but the way Kiriona talks is not really that different to how she talked to people back in GtN. Now we just don't have her POV anymore to factcheck how she really feels.

I think part of it is that it's through Nona's POV and we aren't getting Gideon's perspective on things, but also I think she definitely is being meaner. Like compare how Palamedes was treating her and reacting to her in the first book versus this:

[mayasaura]

I don't have the book at hand to quote, but what struck me when I was reading it was John going desperately from how he had to make them his hands and fingers!! to keep them!! he IMMEDIATELY segues into how he's so sad he had to feed the revenant beasts his fingers to keep them away :( it was so awful that they made him do that :( like he makes them possessions then having objectified them he justifies having to destroy his Things to keep himself safe. which I think is where he and Harrow are going to diverge. (noting that they've already taken very different tactics as far as the order of what gets kept safe)

It's the very next line! This quote picks up exactly where the last one left off:

That's definitely a legit way to read this passage, though it's not the way I prefer to. I mean. Hypocrisy found in God, fork found in kitchen. Come on. But yeah, that's an undeniably fucked up trajectory.

More seriously, I see John's chapters of Nona the Ninth as a confession, rather than as a justification. It's not meant to be coherent or consistant, just emotionally honest. He's expressing how he felt in the moments he made his decisions and asking to be understood, but he's not asking to be affirmed, or forgiven. "Just as there can be no forgiveness for me," and all.

The way in which his story does make sense—the way he's choosing to frame it—is fascinating for what it shows about John and what he's so deeply afraid of, in his heart of hearts. He loved them, and he sacrificed them, and then he sacrificed them again, but at least they didn't leave him.

And yet even in his confession there are still levels on which he seems to sincerely not understand what he's done wrong—mostly surrounding the autonomy and personhood of other people. Like you said, he objectifies people. He loves them as extensions of himself, because that is the only thing he understands as being real. He has no peers, as he is God. His closest friends are his fists and gestures, the fingers on his hand. As necessary to him as a limb, and losing them cripples him, but he doesn't understand them as people in their own right at all. And that lack of respect and understanding leads to him treating them horrifically.

It's kind of sad, in a way. Not to jump tracks completely, but the way John loves reminds me of this quote from episode 55 of Welcome to Night Vale:

It's presented in the context of a romantic couple, but it works more broadly. lt seems like the only way John knows how to love is by subsuming what he loves into himself, becoming one. Leaving him once again alone.

What's interesting is that he appears to know this about himself. Right in this quote, he directly compares himself to the Resurrection Beasts. Revenants that crack open worlds to eat their souls for sustenance, then pack the dead shells onto their exteriors to become part of themselves. As he sees it, the difference is that the Resurrection Beasts will eventually be satisfied. He won't be.

As for the parallels between John and Harrow, I don't think we need to look for where they're going to diverge. I think we can point to where they already have. And it's a fair comparison, to a time before John was God.

Look at John's reaction to his cult schisming, here:

He loves his friends, but he doesn't trust them. Deep down, he believes their love is conditional. If he fucks up, if he's caught slipping, if he admits he's wrong, he'll lose them. He's terrified of anyone finding out he's flawed, of the ugly parts of him being known, because he's certain anyone who sees that part of him will leave. He's gone ten thousand years like that, compounding lies to make them stay.

Harrow has a similarly harsh expectation of herself, but she's already taken her leap of faith, and let the mask drop. She's told the people she loves exactly who and what she is, with the full expectation they would punish or abandon her for it. With the full expectation Gideon would kill her for it, in the pool scene. And Gideon embraced her. She confronted Ortus with her failings in the River, and Ortus comforted her, and still chose to stay and risk his life to save her.

The people who loved John would have done the same for him. Did do the same for him. They stayed through his breakdown, they stayed by his side until it killed them, but John could never let his guard down enough to trust that they would have done it just for him. He couldn't submit to the mortifying ordeal of being known.

This is all, of course, working with the basic premise that the way John treats people is horrific, and he did have all the opportunites in the world to stop. He could have taken that plunge any time in the ten thousand and thirty-something years he's been alive, if he'd been strong enough to accept the consequences or believed in the rewards. It was all so fucking avoidable, but here we are. My favorite kind of tragedy.

[unprofessionalprofessionalbinger]

Put it down Spencer Reid x fmc

Big shout out to everyone that liked my first little writing. Y'all give me motivation <333 summary: Spencer suffers silently, thinking nobody notices. He's wrong. Spoilers for criminal minds season 2 episode 12

tw: cursing, drug abuse, addiction, eating disorder(?), short little hint at selfharm

"Don't you think Spencer has been acting weird lately?" I ask Morgan concerned. I let it slide the first three weeks. It isn't something small to get kidnapped by some crazy guy with three personalities. It wouldn't be unusual for Spencer to act weird or close himself off a little. But he's done such a 180. The only thing that stayed is his awkwardness. Sweet Spencer Reid sassed at me multiple times the last weeks. He even insulted me (I made a joking jab at him and he told me I'm wasting the precious oxygen a tree is tiredlessly producing)

His hands are shaky. He fumbles more. He rants less. He's gone colder and quieter. He scratches his arms through his sleeves and seems tired and unfocused. He's also gotten paler. And thinner? "He won't talk to anyone, it worries me, what if he needs help but can't bring himself to ask and then one day it'll be too late and-" Derek quickly interrupts my ramble before I go any further down the rabbit hole.

"Hey, pretty girl, relax. I'm sure he'll be fine. He just needs some time to really get back, y'know? Hankel did quite the number on him, you saw how Reid's foot looked." His voice is soothing. He always has that soothing tone. But it doesnt work. My mind easily picks words and the way they sounded apart and leaves only the cold, harsh truth behind.

"Exactly what I mean! He was digging his own grave and then had to shoot a man he pitied! That's horrifying! I don't expect him to be fine, but I sure as shit expect him to talk to one of us. Better, all of us. Not at once. But it's important. Who does he trust? JJ. He trusts JJ. I should go ask her if she knows anything." My tone is determined as if nothing could bring me from that path.

"Go ask if JJ knows what?" Prentiss. Prentiss joined not long ago. She's trying hard to fit in, but Gideon isn't exactly easy on her. Not that I can't relate. Looks like the only women he can stand are JJ, Greenaway and Garcia. Well, not that bad. But he's honestly a little... how can I say it? Different.

"Oh, it's nothing. Just about Reid. Do you know how he's doing?" I don't expect her to know. But I'm not shutting her out. She seems nice. At first I feared she was a nepo baby, but she definitely proves herself well. She had gotten sass from Spencer too. Honestly, for the lack of a better word, I'd say he's acting bratty. But I strongly doubt he enjoys whatever is happening.

"Well... last time I asked him what's going on with him, he told me quite clearly that I have no idea what I'm talking about, so I guess I'm not exactly the right person to ask, I'm sorry. I don't actually know him that well anyway." She seems genuinely sorry that she cannot help the issue. "It's alright, Em. I'm sure we'll get him back somehow." I reply with a gentle smile.

Turns out JJ doesn't know anything either. But I know. Not because he told me, but because it's obvious. Also, I'm pretty sure the others know too. Either they're in denial or just decided to ignore Spencer's obvious drug addiction and let him fight it himself or rott alone in his apartment. Great. So much for 'we are a family'. First Elle pulls the fucking card of just shooting the rapist. Then she has to leave? I mean, I'd get it if there was evidence, we couldn't have let that slide, legally speaking, but IA said it was legit. Self-defense. She got shot in her own home, she was traumatized and not ready to come back. Then she got pushed. Further and further. Instead of helping, the team just pushed her away. I can't let that happen again. Not to Spencer.

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I have been knocking on this damned door for ages now. I knock again. Maybe knocking is the wrong word. It had evolved into more of a banging. An angry woman opens the door a couple feet over and glares at me. I throw her an apologetic look and tell her I'll stop.

Just as I turn away, a muffled thump reaches me from the other side of the wood. My mind immediately spins. What if he's hurt? I knock one last time and call out "Reid?!" He doesnt answer. Without thinking, my hair is let down, pin in my hand. Then the pin is in the lock, next thing, the door is open. I step inside, gently close the door again, dump my bag and scan the room. My eyes quickly find the hunched over figure on the floor of the dimly lit room.

After closer looking, I notice the small bottle of medicine next to his thigh and the syringe tightly grasped in his hand. "Fucking hell, Reid put that down right now." He lazily tilts his head in my direction and squints weirdly at me. Dipshit is already higher than his IQ. He slurs a 'no' in my direction. "Don't make me hurt you." I say, half jokingly. With a few quick steps, I reach him. My fingers wrap frimly around his hand. His knuckles are white from how tightly he holds that damned thing. But that needle will not breach his skin again.

"Spencer. Please. Put it down." I say gently. It seems like he's high enough to not have that much willpower in him. He lets go and slumps back against the wall. I carefully put the drugs in my bag. He needs rehab. But that will cost him his job. He can't lose his job. It'd end him. The only way is to help him quit without getting forced by someone else's hand. I definitely need to have an insightful conversation with sober Reid.

Tomorrow. Tomorrow is when our few little paid vacation days start. Ten days without a case. It'd be a great time to start withdrawal. I leave a container with pasta, chicken and creamy sauce in his kitchen, put a post-it on it saying 'Call me when you're sober ~Romanov' and take his dilaudid with me.

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I should've expected that I wouldn't be able to sleep in until lunchtime. But hey, can't blame a girl for trying. My phone rings at nine and I pick up with a sleepy voice, not looking at the caller ID. "Are you seriously still asleep? Did breaking into my apartment and stealing from me make you that tired?!" Spencer's sassy voice reaches me through the phone. He sounds upset. I get it. I pinch my nose and sigh.

"No, actually, I'm just tired of getting shut out." I reply in the same tone. The line goes quiet for a while. "What do you want?" his voice is suddenly small and quiet, it breaks my heart. "I just want to talk, Goldie. Need some company the next couple days? I swear I'm great company." My voice is soft. An underlying plea swings in my words. "Depends. You got some more of that pasta? Haven't thrown up in two hours. And it's really good." I can't quite put what about his tone it is, but it makes my heart melt and I can't help my next words. "I could teach you. We could do a little cooking lesson. Promise I'll wash my hands really, really good." I add the last part teasingly, wanting to bring a little more lightness. "This is not a question, by the way, it's now officially an order. My place, four o' clock. I'll send you the address. Don't be late. You have to bring nothing but yourself in one piece. Don't think I didn't see that knife yesterday. You can't hide anything from me, Goldie." I hang up without letting him answer. I know Spencer Reid well enough. He'll show. He can't argue with me if I hang up, and if he doesn't show, he will 100% feel bad about it.

Morally problematic? Maybe. But it's for a good cause.

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Alrightyyyy, this is it for tonight. Might be rushed. Isn't proofread. I again didn't write enough Spencer aghhhhh.

But tomorrow. I promise. I'll feed fluff. Cooking together and a little angsty talk. Cuddles, lot of trust aaaand more fluff!

Again, thanks for the support, every last little thing means the world to me. It is an honor to know people actually read my shit (even if it's only for Spencer)

Feel free to leave any kind of critisism <333

[cakepoppresent]

Can You Fight?

Su: Leaving so soon Little man?

Grayson: Oh... yeah I don't want to stay here anymore. I'm leaving with my parents. They just went to get my discharge stuff sorted

Vaughn: Don't stress too much Grayson, things are going to get better

Grayson: Thanks Vaughn, Veronica is actually downstairs with everyone else. She's been really nervous, I'm sure she will be happy to see you

Vaughn: Alright, I'll head out. Don't hesitate to let me know if you need anything

Su: Will you be going back to the dorms?

Grayson: No...my parents have an apartment in the city I'll be there till the semester is over

Su: Are you doing okay?

Grayson: Not really...I thought about what you said and I told Gideon we should take a break

Su: A break?

Su heart explodes with excitement, its happening holy fuck its happening. The universe created this perfect moment. He won't let go of this chance. "Its for the best Grayson, you have to think of your sisters. You wouldn't forgive yourself if something happened to them"

Grayson: I know I know I don't want to think about it anymore. I don't want to go home either...can you take me out?

Su's head is actually going to explode "Yeah...I'll take you out I'll help you forget. I'll take you anywhere you want to go"

Grayson: Okay...let me talk to my mom and dad"

Brayden and Blair walk in at this moment noticing the closeness between Su and Grayson. Brayden steps forward first "Grayson?"

Grayson: Mom, Dad this is Su, you met him last Winterfest. He brought me to the hospital. I didn't want to go home right now, he's taking me out

Blair: I don't know if that is a good idea, honey. I think it's best if we head home, you've been through something traumatic

Grayson: Mooom!! I don't want to sit at home. I'll be fine I won't stay out too late

Su: I'll take good care of him, Mr. and Mrs. Reeves. You can trust me"

Grayson: So it's settled! Su and I are leaving I'll be home later tonight! Let's go, Su!" Grayson drags Su out of the room and they are gone in an instant

Brayden: I don't like that boy

Blair: You don't like anyone

Brayden: Let's go. I need to speak with Gideon

Blair: Don't scare the poor boy

Vaughn: Hey Princess. Hey Sams. How are you guys holding up

Veroinca: This is the worst! It was obviously Alaia and Gideon's grandparents. I'm going to find her an-

Vaughn: And do what? Beat her up? Can you fight?

Veronica: Well...no...but"

Vaughn: Let's put some trust in Gideon. I'm sure he is handling it

Sams: Vaughn is right Veronica. Let's not make things worse. I believe in Gideon. He has been in love with Grayson since forever.

Veroinca: Can't I at least slap her

Sams: No!

Veronica: Tsk...If I see her I'm slapping her

Vaughn's reply is cut short when he gets tackled from behind

Xaiver: Vaughn! I missed you! it's so boring in Windenburg

Vaughn: Oh man, You're getting heavier. What are they feeding you over there?

Xavier: Let's go out! I have so much to tell you! My mom said I could stay for the summer

Vaughn: Let's all go out. My treat

Xavier: I want steak!

Vaughn: What's a little dude like you doing eating steak

Xavier: How else am I supposed to grow strong and big

Vaughn: Whatever you say Little Dude

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[wifegideonnav]

Okay, so I get that I think Tamsyn has said that while you can draw some clear parallels (Gideon is Female Dave, Harrow is Rose, Ianthe is Vriska), obviously Homestuck and TLT aren't one to one, in the same way that the two other big Would Not Exist Without Homestuck pieces of media, Kill Six Billion Demons and Undertale/Deltarune aren't one to one with it either. That being said. I would like to submit. Isaac is Tavros.

😭 that's so mean. to isaac. wtf.

i don't really see it but let me counter with:

babs is the tavros. obviously i've posted before about how his personality/aesthetic is similar to cronus ampora, but if you think about his relationship with ianthe, i feel like there's definitely some similarities to tavros and vriska.

now ianthe "being a vriska" is something i have a LOT of thoughts about, which i will. probably write out at some point. mainly, while they share surface level plot points and arm deficits, their motivations are very different. i've been holding off tho bc there's a lot we still don't know abt ianthe's motivations while the series is still unfinished. but in general, vriska is a child who has no idea what she's doing and just wants to be safe (although she thinks she wants to be important - and she does, but because she thinks that if she matters enough, she'll stop being vulnerable, both emotionally and physically), whereas ianthe clearly has some actual irons in the fire. (given what little we know about the tridentarii's parents and childhood, i could 100% see ianthe trying to protect herself in a similar way, but we just don't know enough to be sure.)

but to compare babs and tavros:

both the "some guy" wedged in between some very toxically codependent girlies

both killed (run through) with their own weapon by their counterpart in a mysterious facility during a very tense afternoon

you can't tell me that if it was relevant, vriska wouldn't be happy to chew on tavros (use his body for what she's trying to do)

both an intimate part of their counterpart's ascension, in opposite ways

that last point is the most interesting to me, because vriska's ascension involved her own death and ianthe's ascension involved babs's. vriska begged tavros to kill her, and he would not, leaving her to die alone and in pain, whereas ianthe had no qualms about killing babs. as we learn in the unwanted guest, babs's soul has had an effect on ianthe's - they are fusing, in a sense. compare that to the very brief existence of tavrissprite, whose constituent parts could not reconcile and merge. in the end, vriska has always been both obsessed and disgusted with tavros because the world has allowed him to be soft, and kind, and nonviolent - all things that she was never given the chance to be. whereas for ianthe and babs, they have always been fighting side by side, concealing corona's secret and managing third house high society.

so essentially, babs is a tavros who has been strong and active enough to both protect and support his counterpart. while ianthe killed babs because she needed power for whatever she has planned, and she is always going to prioritize coronabeth over anything and anyone else, she had no real beef with him and saw him as, if not an ally, then at least a means to an end whom she didn't mind being bitchy with in the meantime. meanwhile vriska killed tavros not out of necessity or duress, but because he had betrayed and abandoned her at her moment of greatest need and vulnerability, and then decided to be her enemy.

to be honest you didn't ask for any of this longass response lol but to be honester its my blog and i get to rant about vriska if i want 😌 i'd be interested to hear your case for why isaac reminds you of tavros tho! bc i seriously do not see it at this point lmao

[bookishjules]

Here I am again ....the one with the Simon in the wild bestie

Hehe it's so sweet of you to invite me over for tea 😄

So yeah for the Morgenstern essay I still haven't typed it out ...but it's basically like Clary (protagonist) and Sebastian (antagonist) both were Morgensterns. It's a tainted name in the shadowhunters community right? So my point is something isn't always inherently bad ...it's the circumstances or the fate (or the plot 😗) which makes them bad. Now for Jonathan/ Sebastian bro had been going through torture for all his life as the demon blood burns shadowhunters. He was Raised to be a weapon unlike Jace who was atleast taught other stuff. Upbringing matters a lot in shaping those characters, shaping their powers. Like for comparison if you look at Jace when he was a Wayland...when he was a Morgenstern....when he is a herondale... there's a slight difference in the way he's written or the way he fights ... he's still the same Jace but there's this minute difference you'd notice. So basically the background you're Given also matters a lot ...which happened with Sebastian. If he was given a non-Valentine life/ background....if his blood wasn't infused...if he was brought up in a normal way he'd have definitely led a better life As a Morgenstern and wouldn't have been the one manipulated into being the villian .... maybe he'd have still turned out to be a antagonist who knows. But atleast throughout his life he'd have felt light the way he felt while dying. Maybe clary's fate would've changed if they grew up as siblings who knows. The Morgensterns we've seen till now are all fucked in the head fr. Like even Clary could've gotten her villian arc easily...the clave anyways did not trust her as she was a Morgenstern.

To sum it up ....I feel Morgensterns have a dominant dark side n would be the bad guy ...but you always get a choice to choose your path even if you're blinded by the fate

(I hope my word vomit made sense....I mean these were basically facts which already existed I just typed out my thought process)

Oh for the guy thing ... nothing romantic is going on in plain sight but there gave been moments... really sweet ones. Oh btw last week I sent him the thing I wrote which said 'i want to be written about ' .....as my bday gift guy wrote for me ..which made my day

Anyways I hope you're doing okayyy ヾ⁠(⁠･⁠ω⁠･⁠*⁠)⁠ﾉヾ⁠(⁠･⁠ω⁠･⁠*⁠)⁠ﾉ

The nature of last names in the shadowhunters world is such a compelling one, and you're right, it's absolutely something of a metaphor for choosing who you become, who you are. Even during ascension, there's a certain amount of this. You pick a name that you want to be like. You don't pick a name like Morgenstern.

Except... There's also an amount of reclamation when it comes to last names. Gabriel and Gideon worked hard to make the Lightwood name mean something good again after their father tainted it, and I think a large part of their ability to do that comes from Tatiana denouncing the Lightwood name at the same time.

A name doesn't dictate personality, of course, but it does have a certain sway in how you are treated by other shadowhunters, which of course, informs the way you act. It's a whole thing in developmental psychology; natural/genetic temperaments garner certain reactions, which then controls how a child is parented etc., which then has a hand in which other personality traits etc. come to the surface. I think this is very similar to how shadowhunters are raised according to their last name, and how, so often we see a change of name being an indicator of a change of self--because it can be difficult to change when you are still being perceived a certain way.

As for where this leaves us with the Morgensterns... Green-eyed Jonathan is often associated with the last name Fairchild, and I think the reason why is clear. There's an amount of hope there, for a person who never got to be a person--that he would turn out to be better than the man who raised him. And if he had been raised a Morgenstern, even without the demon blood, I do think it would have been more likely for him to become an antagonist, than if he had been raised a Fairchild, simply because one name has a much more negative connotation than the other--especially in the time that Jonathan was being raised. People would have treated him differently as a Morgenstern than they would a Fairchild.

If we're following the logic that somehow Valentine was not a presence in his childhood, this would all have to circle back to Jocelyn, and her decision whether to keep her husband's name or not. I do think there could be scenarios where she did, but I would be more inclined to believe that she would at the very least return to being Jocelyn Fairchild and raise her son with the same name. No, this wouldn't make him immune to the reactions of other shadowhunters, but I do think the choice to step away from the tainted name would be recognized and acknowledged in a positive way. We see a little bit of the opposite happen with Clary, iirc, when she takes up Heosphoros, but she was already at a point, then, when she was ready to treat Morgenstern in a similar way to how Gideon and Gabriel would have treated Lightwood after the events of TID.

It would be so interesting to see how such reclamation would have played out if Clary and Jonathan had been raised as siblings. Would Clary see the way her brother was treated for a name he didn't even use and get angry for him? Would Jonathan work hard to be a good example for his sister, a good steward of the family he was born into? Or would it be something of the opposite? Or would they ever even try to reclaim that name? No Valentine means no "Sebastian" means no continued conversation surrounding the name Morgenstern...

I guess what I'm saying is that maybe there is an inheritable darkness in the Morgensterns, but I think it's possible that the name does as much, if not more, than the genes themselves. Morgensterns have been the bad guys, so they will be painted as such, and future Morgensterns will then have an inclination to fill the shoes and be the bad guys.

Sorry for such a long response!! That essay of sorts really sent some gears spinning I guess lol thank you for sharing!!! (Also happy belated birthday!!!!!! <33)

[taylorrama]

The Locked Tomb and mewithoutYou pt. 1/17

The Venn Diagram of Locked Tomb readers and mewithoutYou fans is probably two circles not touching, but it should really probably be two overlapping circles, not only because mwY is my favorite band of all time, but also because, like TLT, mwY is filled to the brim with obscure literary/religious references, and the later albums in particular have the "I don't understand what's happening at all, but I love it" energy of TLT.

mewithoutYou is a hard band to describe, but one decent way is to place them somewhere in the post-hardcore and indie realm. Screaming vocals. Heavy guitars. But then there's the folk album about vegetables.

Anyway, first of all, there's that name. mewithoutYou. Ring any bells? I have to say I laughed at that line at the end of Gideon the Ninth because I knew it couldn't actually be a mwY reference, but last summer, mewithoutYou played their final tour and their final shows, so now there really is no "me without you" or "mewithoutYou." I read Gideon after all that, so funny haha for me.

Let me start off by giving you just one song and then I'll make more posts. Despite the fact that this is my favorite band, I try not to always be like "every piece of art that does religious things in a way I like is a mewithoutYou reference." This band isn't that well-known, except it's likely that your favorite band or artist likes them to some degree (e.g., Hayley Williams, boygenius).

TW: depression, suicidal ideation

Song: Tie Me Up, Untie Me! Album: Catch For Us the Foxes

This song is Harrow in her self-hatred era, which is always. These sections in particular stand out.

I was licking at the leaves But I was in short sleeves and you You were like some sickness that I caught

"You were like some sickness that I caught" to me sounds like something Harrow would absolutely think about Gideon.

(Oh, please, brother, I'm far... Brother, I'm far away... Brother, I'm far away from everything Oh, brother, I'm far... Brother, I'm far away... Brother! I'm far away from everything good!)

This part sounds like a desperate prayer, especially how it's performed. Ninth House loves prayers.

She's like a hot cloth on a fevered head And like a needle she leads me (while I follow like thread) Tie me up! Untie me! All this wishing I was dead is getting old It's gettin' old! ... it goes on, but it's old

This is the chorus and it just strikes me as part of Harrow's mental state for the entirety of Harrow the Ninth. "She" could be about Griddlehark. It could be Harrianthe.

Now we get to some really interesting images in the next verse.

I was swimming through the waves For what must have been days But could find no relief When I started sinking down I thought for certain I would drown Until I saw you in the ocean Underneath

The River. The River. The River and how the necromancer/cavalier relationship works in lyctorhood/near-lyctorhood.

You, my hidden pearl of pure and perfect love And I'm the living example Of 100% the opposite of this

Right in the Griddlehark feels, honestly.

This next part is actually what threw me on this train of "this series accidentally (probably) pairs with most of this band's discography." I was finishing Nona the Ninth the other night and got to this part.

The silly referential part of my brain said, "This sounds like a mwY reference." Two, actually, but this is the part from "Tie Me Up! Untie Me!" that goes.

(If I ask the same questions… Well, yes, sir, I ask the same questions Well, well maybe I repeat myself from time to time But if I ask the same questions… And then I know I ask the same questions It's because everyone who answers me is a liar!)

It's the last three lines in particular, and the "liar" part also works well in the context of this scene, where Nona is so frustrated and desperately trying not to remember anything. The way she's saying this as well matches the way this part of the song is performed (letting her voice rush out).

"We don't need it" pings my brain with a different line for a different song for a different post.

And then I'll just leave you with the last chorus.

She's like the hot cloth on a fevered head And like a needle she leads me (while I follow like thread) But you untied me... didn't You untie me, Lord? And now I haven't even thought about killing myself In almost five months

I'll be rereading the series because I'm taking notes on a video I want to make about the theology of the Locked Tomb (to be released only after Alecto comes out), but these mewithoutYou thoughts are a by-product of my processing of the first read through.

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TLT + mewithoutYou pt. 2

[iviarellereads]

Gideon the Ninth, Chapter 28

(Curious what I'm doing here? Read this post! For detail on The Locked Tomb coverage and the index, read this one! Like what you see? Send me a Ko-Fi.)

(Eighth House icon) In which Gideon has a conversation she never thought she'd have.

Gideon went directly to the Eighth quarters.(1) Her memory's a little fuzzy, but she knows this was the correct choice of actions, even if she can't quite decide why she thought that.

Colum is the one to receive her, in clothes that look as though he's been cleaning. He asks for her sword and second weapon. Gideon protests, but he says he'd be a fool not to make her disarm around his necromancer, and he swears on his honour that nothing inside will hurt her.(2) Gideon doesn't trust him, but she hands over her rapier and glove.

As the rage fades, Gideon starts to regret her choice of actions after leaving Harrow, going to Teacher to find out where the Eighth quarters are. The rooms themselves are very light, airy, and so clean they, or Colum, must have been doing it himself. The only colour is a portrait of the Emperor as Kindly Master(3) placed opposite the table like a beatific and unavoidable dinner partner.

Colum puts Gideon's weapons next to the door, and fetches Silas, who appears to have been in the middle of "ablutions"(4) but is unbothered as he sits and Colum starts combing his thin white hair. He tells Gideon, in very polite words, that he still hates her for the House she represents. Gideon says thanks and asks to sit. Silas allows it.

Gideon says she never swore to the Ninth, and if Silas had talked to Glaurica, he would know that. Silas says a rock doesn't have to take a vow to be a rock, and asks Gideon to remove her hood. Silas wonders where her "phenotype"(5) comes from, perhaps her mother was from the Third. Gideon tells him not to make cryptic comments, he doesn't know the first thing about her mother or herself. Silas says she misunderstands, he was more interested in Gideon's mother than he was in her, when they questioned Glaurica, but ghosts often mistake the useful and the useless.

Wait, ghosts?

Yes, Silas says, Glaurica was a revenant, in fact, the kind of ghost that's so determined to seek out the living and cling to the scraps of their former lives. Glaurica's didn't last long, though. She and Ortus died on the shuttle when it exploded, and wasn't that the shuttle Gideon had intended to take? Gideon has the stray thought that Ortus will "never rhyme melancholy with my mortal folly again" but doesn't confirm or deny Silas's assertion.

Silas continues regardless that he doesn't need the full story. He's here to talk about the children: how many grew up in Gideon's generation? Gideon says nothing. Silas starts with herself and the Reverend Daughter, but adds a questioning tone, pressing the question of more. Gideon asks if he wants a census. No, he says, he wants her to think about why they two represent an entire generation. He wants her to think about the deaths of two hundred children when she and Harrow, alone, lived.

Gideon says he's picked the wrong thing to try to slam Harrow with. The flu happened before Harrow was even born, when Gideon was only about a year old. Gideon's heard about it her whole life. Bacteria in the vents took out the notoriously frail children of the Ninth, and she's always thought she might have lived because the other children had avoided her. Silas says that vent bacteria don't kill immunoefficient(6) teenagers.

Gideon thinks it doesn't make sense, why would the Ninth kill an entire generation? Their population has been waning for centuries. Killing any child would be "a horrifying waste of resources" and the creche flu was an extinction event.

Gideon asks if he's saying the Reverend Father and Mother killed hundreds of their own kids. He doesn't answer. Colum finishes styling his hair, and starts making tea.

"The Ninth House is a House of broken promises," said Silas. "The Eighth House remembers that they were not meant to live. They had one job--one rock to roll over one tomb; one act of guardianship, to live and die in a single blessedness--and they made a cult instead. [...] I do not know why the Emperor suffered that shadow of a House.(7) That mockery of his name. A House that would keep lamps lit for a grave that was meant to pass into darkness is a House that would kill two hundred children. A House that would kill a woman and her son simply for attempting to leave is a House that would kill two hundred children."

Gideon is unsettled, but asks why they would do that, kill a whole generation of children but not herself or Harrow. Silas says she should tell him, since Gideon's the one who tried to leave in a shuttle with a bomb. He continues softly that he doesn't think any child of that House should become a Lyctor. He's not sure anyone at all should become a Lyctor. Power isn't inherently good, and cleverness isn't necessarily truth. Maybe no one should have that power, and that's why he must take Gideon's keys.

Gideon is "almost disappointed" that that's all this is about. Silas says he's doing it for the greater good of all the Houses. Gideon asks, what if she says no? Then he will challenge her for them, and she might find the duel difficult without her sword.

Gideon looks over at Colum Asht, expecting him to have his sword out already with a grin, but he's dropped his needlework and is staring at his necromancer. He says he promised that Gideon would find no violence here. Silas says that's fine, an oath made to the Ninth is meaningless, as their hearts are barren and black. Gideon searches her brain for a witty retort, but Colum beats her to it, saying he's "not worried about the Ninth's heart". He swore on his honour that Gideon would not be hurt. Silas maintains his position, but Colum asks what his honour means to his uncle.

Gideon stays dead still throughout this exchange, so they don't notice her and she might be able to mount an escape since her things are by the door anyway.

Silas says he won't debate words here, he will help Colum to atone later, but-- but Colum says he is Silas's cavalier. He has his sword, and his honour. Everything else is Silas's. Silas says if Colum objects so much, then he can take Colum's sword without asking, and lifts his arm as if to start siphoning. Gideon senses this could be game over, but she looks away from Silas and accidentally locks eyes with Colum, unable to look away until Colum comes to some sort of decision.

"Once upon a time you would've taken everything I said as gospel," he said, in a very different voice. "I used to think that was worse than now ... but I was wrong."

Silas turns to look at Colum, the first time he's looked at anything but Gideon since he entered the room. Colum says he respected the child Silas once was, but he can't stand the man he's become. Silas suggests he recall his oath, but Colum says he was one of three brothers engineered with different blood types, undergoing a decade of treatments, waiting to see who Silas would need for maximum compatibility. He was made into a man who doesn't "pick and choose his decencies!"

Colum jerks his chin in Gideon's direction, then turns and walks to the door. Gideon, operating on an instinctive level that senses that escape might be imminent, follows him. Silas doesn't move. Colum hands Gideon's sword back to her, cavalier to cavalier.

And his eyes were the eyes of a man who had just tied his own noose.

Gideon takes the blade, knowing that she owes him. He says the next time they meet, they're unlikely to both walk away. Gideon says "Yeah" in a way she hopes implies her apology. Colum hands her the knuckle knife, and suggests she get away from here. Gideon half wants to take him with her, but knows he wouldn't leave anyway, so she goes quietly.

As she walked away, she braced for a sudden burst of angry voices, yelling, recriminations, maybe even a cry of pain. But there was only silence.

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(1) Gideon's great betrayal is still not, in fact, disobeying Harrow's direct order. She doesn't go to Dulcinea, she doesn't even precisely break ranks. She does something she knows will piss Harrow off but that was never explicitly forbidden. I just cannot with my feelings about these two and THEIR feelings. (2) How much do we think this is careful wordplay about the nuances between hurt and harm? To my understanding "hurt" is a sharp, acute, and typically physical thing, while "harm" has a much broader definition. I wouldn't discount Muir purposely playing the words like piano keys in this way. (3) What could this mean, and why is it colourful? (4) Ablution - the act of washing oneself. A word that's often used and maybe clear from context but not a lot of people actually look it up so I'm pretty sure I've seen it used to refer to other bathroom activities. (5) More gene terms! Phenotype is the visible expression of a gene, typically the most dominant version you carry. Most things have more than one factor, but for example, in the main gene for hair colour, a brown version will override (is dominant over) a blond version (the recessive one), so even if you had from your parents one blond and one brown gene, you'd have a brown hair phenotype. Gideon's red hair phenotype must be unusual, for Silas to remark on it this way. (6) Immunodeficient means the immune system is less than it should be. Immunoefficient, as used here, means an immune system that's working as expected. (7) I dunno, seems awfully presumptuous to question your still-living God Emperor if you claim to be doing his will.

[livia-dovehallow]

26 for gabrily

26. What would you describe as OOC?

I've talked at great length with @zoyalannister about what is OOC for Gabriel so I have lots to say!

So I'll start with him.

I think the number one thing that is out of character for Gabriel would be any kind of infidelity or unfaithfulness. Loyalty is his defining character trait, both the good and the bad of it, so it just isn't in his nature to be a cheater or turn his back on people he loves (even if it comes at a cost).

The best example of this is CP and CP2: he quite literally does not finally realize the error of his father's ways until the literal last second because he values loyalty to his family name above all else and wanted to believe his father so he did. This came at the cost of further straining his relationship with Gideon. All of CP2 is Gabriel struggling to reconcile what he used to know with his new reality and in the end, realizes that loyalty doesn't have to be a flaw, and it becomes his best quality because he now recognizes who is deserving of his loyalty and who isn't.

This leads into something else I think is out of character for Gabriel: being a bad husband/father. For one, it just isn't true. But also, as we see from TLH, he has a great relationship with his kids and his marriage is strong (almost always mentioned to be seen with Cecily and Alex, and Anna and Kit always have positive things to say about their parents).

It would be out of character for Gabriel to be a bad husband and father because of all the growth he had in CP2 to unlearn everything his father had taught him about right and wrong. Benedict was a terrible husband and mediocre father (I think he loved his kids, ultimately, but had quite strict and morally ambiguous teachings for them). Gabriel's arc is one of the best I've ever read, and it makes no sense for him to turn out to be anything other than a faithful husband and loving father.

He'd learn a lot from Gideon, of course, and he and Cecily would aspire to be the kind of parents their children feel comfortable around--and I'd argue they succeeded. Out of all the TLH kids, Anna and Kit are the only ones who feel they can be themselves fully with their parents. Everyone else lies or hides some part of themselves for whatever reason. (Yes, Anna hid herself for a while, but we see in EET that they knew for a while before she said anything, but by TLH, she's herself, even with her romantic turmoil).

Now, Cecily!

To me, something that would be massively out of character for her is (unfortunately) apparently canon (but we ignore that around here). She'd never be one to remain docile and delicate. In CP2, her character arc shows her accepting and embracing that she feels alive when she fights and that being a Shadowhunter gives her the purpose she'd always wanted. This doesn't take away from the fact that Cecily is also a romantic and did want to find love and be a mother. These two things can (and do!) exist at once. Cecily is girly, and loves love, and also enjoys throwing knives and killing demons.

Maternity leave aside, I think Cecily would have fought as an active Shadowhunter until her body actually gave out on her in old age. Being a fighter is in her blood, she's naturally gifted at it, and I don't think she'd give it up, even as a mother (especially when her children also are Nephilim and fight just as she does).

Something I love about Cecily is how she can be witty and impulsive but also quiet and thoughtful. We see this a lot in Gabriel's internal monologue in CP2 (lol). He observes that she can actually be quite different from her brother and is entirely her own person away from him, which not many people consider of her since she is young and they knew Will first. Cecily also, in her own POV in CP2, described herself as lonely and observant.

Because of this, I think something out of character for Cecily would be to self-isolate. She grew up lonely, always being keenly aware of others and their emotions, but no one ever paid her any attention because they were so absorbed in their own issues and thoughts. Now that she's found and created this new family of hers, she's blossomed, and I don't think she'd ever want to go back to feeling lonely, especially not doing it to herself. She'd seek out the comfort or company she desires because now she is surrounded by people who do pay her attention and will listen to her.

Thanks for asking!

[peacehopeandrats]

NaNo, Random List

Rolled again today and got this gift of a collection. I had originally wanted only 5 things, but when I realized I'd put in 7 by accident I'd already created the fic out of most of them, so they stay. (I was trying to get the page to work properly and kept putting in random numbers before just Googling the page to go to the proper link. Sometimes this site is the worst.)

"I know why you're doing this," Rogers hissed through the bars of Gideon's cell.

Gideon wished he had enough frustration built up to scream or pull at his hair or something, but he didn't feel anything anymore. He was so very tired of everyone telling him what he needed or wanted. They might have known his parents or even known him years ago before they left town, but they couldn't claim to know HIM.

"You really don't." Gideon said at last, pushing the words through clenched teeth. "Please just let me serve this sentence and move on to exile."

"Self imposed exile." The Detective opened the cell and deposited the breakfast plate he'd brought, the side of it practically overflowing with vegetable omlette and toast with jam. "You're a traveler," he told Gideon. "You don't know how to go about a life in one place. There's nothing wrong with that. But you don't have to permanently ship yourself off to somewhere else to find happiness. Go live in a hut in Cambodia for a while or raft down the amazon! You could even travel back to the Enchanted Realms and pay tribute to all the things you've done in the past. Just don't do THIS to yourself."

"I man handled the Princess," Gideon grumbled, forcing himself to look away. "I have no right to-"

"What is this? Some exaggeration of suffering for all the things you did in the past?" The once pirate was shouting now, swinging one arm to encompass the sheriff's office in a single, sweeping arc. "No one here thinks you have any connection at all to the version of yourself that tried to ki-"

"Sorry." Emma's voice cut through the Detective's protest so sharply that he actually staggered backward a step. Gideon hadn't seennher enter, but she now stood near her desk, holding up a frm in one hand and giving them a helpless shrug. "I need the copy paper."

Rogers sighed as if there were something more to this interruption than either of them were letting on. In fact, Gideon knew that there was. His father had always refused to retell tales of their days together before the Final Battle, leaving Gideon to assume that something tragic had befallen them to cause what Lex had labeled his "reboot" after the battle had been won.

The hook on the Detective's hand lifted toward one of the nearby doors, then fell again. "I put it in the closet."

"Thanks," she said, eyeing the two of them warily before speaking again. "So... Do either of you know why there's a slightly obese stone lizard man on the roof?"

Rogers left the cell and stormed away, not even bothering to close it or lock Gideon inside. "His friend," he gripped on the way out. "Come to steal him away from us in the night."

[thefirsthogokage]

Criminal Minds 2x06:

'The Boogieman'

Reaction/Commentary Below The Cut

Should have said this in the last post, but she had every fucking right to be angry at Hotch.

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Maybe what I don't like the most about this whole storyline is this scene with Elle right here at the beginning: her being perfectly fine - or saying she's perfectly fine, - and her whole attitude. The way her behavior is.

I really don't like the whole storyline in general, actually. I'll be glad when she's gone after this and Prentiss can come in.

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Oh yeah, Elle Fanning. Interesting to have an actor Elle in the character Elle's last episode.

She's the killer right? I'm not sure if I remember that from the first time, or if it was what I read recently about Elle in this episode.

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Aww, poor kids. Killer must be a coward if he's hunting kids. Or reliving something.

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Sending Hotch to find Elle? When she rightfully blames him for her getting shot? Bad call, Gideon.

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Once again, I will say what they do visually with this show is unique. Similar to CSI, but not exactly the same.

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"Lived in Arizona his whole life" is that what Derek said? Like yeah, but I would think you would say "he lived in the area his whole life".

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Please tell me this boys aren't going to run and leave the other kid alone when they are supposed to be using the buddy system?

Yup, they did. Assholes. They got him killed. Little fucking shits.

I hope this boy isn't dead. Let us have that win.

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I probably shouldn't have watched the episode because of the kids, but I needed to see Elle leave.

Wait was that the kid going to the door? Or one of the other two that egged him on? I can only remember the tall one being blonde-ish. Don't remember what the two two boy's faces well.

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Isn't the guy too big of a person to have done the killings? Didn't they say the killer was small?

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That's not how you pronounce recluse.

Poor Finnegan.

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They talk about Arizona like it's a city.

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He's trying to protect his daughter.

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According to interrogators, this scene is very, very bad. Only on TV.

Oh he isn't the father of the little girl.

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Gideon so far seems to be doing an interrogation style that would fit better with what actual interrogators do.

I could have sworn the little girl was the killer. I guess not. She's the final victim they have to save.

God the whole "groups of two thing was stupid. Should have been groups of three.

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GOOD GIRL! What a smartie!

You got this kiddo! Just last a little more! Keep moving! Use that adrenaline!

Kids are so much easier to subdue than grown adults with weapons.

Though absolutely insane that they will grab kid with a blunt weapon, but not tackle a grown man with one.

And I just gotta point out this kid is Ginger. What is it with this whole "evil Ginger" thing?

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Yeah, Reid, you absolutely fucking should have said something!

Yes, Derek, Elle made her own choice, but she was losing her shit, and she couldn't stop herself.

[paradoxcase]

Chapter 50 of Harrow the Ninth

Well, I mean, maybe. If you get resurrected, like I said in the last writeup, that does probably clear space for a new character to appear

So, Wake possessed Cytherea's body, probably starting from when Harrow stabbed the body with the sword a second time, I would guess. This doesn't make sense to me for a couple of reasons, though: 1) How could Wake be simultaneously piloting around Cytherea's body while also fighting Nonius in the River bubble? It seems like her soul would have to be in two different places simutaneously for that to happen, and 2) If Wake already has Cytherea's body, why does she need to kill Harrow and possess her body as well? It's not like she's having trouble using Cytherea to cause chaos. I guess you could maybe argue that the whole Nonius fight just took place while Cytherea was tied up, but I think Wake has been trying to possess Harrow from the beginning of the River bubble stuff

So this point of contention is not about environmental destruction of the Earth, or anything like that, then?

So, apparently the first part is from Henry V, the second part is from the Maori version of the New Zealand national anthem, and the last part is an Eminem lyric. Does BOE use a naming scheme that's like the Puritans who named themselves after entire bible verses, except that instead of using the bible, they use the entire corpus of pre-Resurrection media?

Also, I've been told by people that they are somehow speaking modern English even 10,000 years into the future, does that also go for BOE? Clearly Wake is able to communicate with the other characters without issues. But if this is really just supposed to be the case because John is some kind of micromanager who somehow manages to magically stop language change in the Nine Houses, why would BOE be affected by that? They aren't even in the Nine Houses, and I doubt very much that John cares whether or not they can communicate with him. Anyway, the reason I mention this is that if BOE no longer spoke a language in which these phrases mean anything, they would actually probably work much better as names. The first two seem fine as they are, actually, but I think the Eminem lyric becomes substantially less silly-looking if you don't know what it means. And Wake says "they're dead words", but if she is speaking modern English to John, they aren't really dead words, are they?

This makes zero sense. She's been walking around the Mithraeum with a gun, she's been perfectly capable of killing herself whenever she wanted to do that. Also, does John see himself as a cop?

Was the prison on the Ninth actually intended to be a dummy target for BOE? I don't know how much sense that makes, since like John says, there's nothing on the Ninth except the Tomb, and until the conclusion of this chapter I think he's very sure that no one can use the Tomb against him. So why put a decoy there?

I'm guessing this is a reference to whatever catastrophe happened just before the Resurrection and not, say, the bombs that BOE sent against John's ships?

Would being named after an Evanescence lyric really be any sillier than being named after an Eminem lyric? Honestly, it's probably an improvement in this particular case

So that's an interesting thing, actually - Wake's skeleton was almost certainly converted into a construct for snow leek farming/etc. on the Ninth, so it would have been perfectly human-shaped and mobile, it's not like her bones got buried in the ground or something. Earlier Harrow said that revenants want to inhabit something that's mobile - like a skeleton - or they get bored and leave. So why did she leave her perfectly mobile skeleton to go possess Gideon's sword? Did she only possess the sword when she found out it might leave the planet? What is the thanergy link between Wake's skeleton and the sword in the first place? Or was she just able to possess the sword because it belonged to Gideon?

After reading the entire chapter I'm still not sure what she knows now that she didn't know then. That the Tomb was opened 8 years ago and nothing much happened? I'm guessing she was in on this because she thought opening the Tomb would end the Nine Houses

So Mercy was somehow able to make sperm survive for 12 weeks, but couldn't make the ova last that long? I know thanergy is bad for reproduction, but this is kind of like how Hal 9000 doesn't have all the abilities of modern computers but can somehow beat every human at chess. Or who knows, maybe John's sperm is just special like that

There's something about this story, where Gideon was literally conceived and born just to die, not even properly named, her whole purpose was just to die so that someone else could achieve some end, and then that didn't happen and she was saved from that fate by Commander Wake's death, and then she grew up and independently decided that her whole purpose in life was to die for someone else anyway

Why does he do this? I theorized before that Pyrrha is stil around and he's kind of both of them, so do his eyes betray when he is Gideon versus Pyrrha too and he wants to hide that?

I'm absolutely dying to know exactly what kind of relationship these two(/three?) had/have. They had an affair and they do seem to like each other, but he killed her literally twice now and she very much tried to kill him with the whole incinerator thing. Actually, I mean, speaking of the incinerator incident, when he talked to Harrow after that, did he really think Wake was possessing Harrow? Did he not realize she was actually possessing Cytherea? I think he must have realized she was possessing Cytherea, because of his visits to her before that, but then after the incinerator thing he was talking to Harrow like she was Wake. But I guess Wake was then also in the River bubble doing the two-places at once thing

What Pyrrha died for? I mean, aside from the fact that I think Pyrrha might still be around, actually, wouldn't the official story be that Pyrrha died 10,000 years ago and not 19 years ago?

I love all of Gideon Nav's descriptions of Gideon the First: Gideon Classic, Gideon Senior, Gideon Prime, Gideon, original flavor

Is this the real reason why John seals himself up when they fight the resurrection beasts, so he doesn't bleed blood that could be used to open the Tomb?

So, the original plan was the Gideon's death would, by itself, undo the blood ward and then presumably Mercy or Augustine could come by later to undo all of the other wards? And what actually happened was that there was a thanergy bloom because of the deaths of the 200 children and then Gideon like, I don't know, scraped her knee outside the Tomb once and that undid the blood ward? And Harrow thought she must have figured it out herself somehow?

This is simultaneously so funny and also kind of gross. But the original Deus Apate, like I mean the original Greek one, was really just about distracting God and not about secretly harvesting his sperm to create a baby to bring about the apocalypse, no one needed to specifically seduce Zeus to get him to create babies with absolutely everyone. I thought it was an appropriate reference when it appeared earlier in the story because that was about distracting John, but it feels significantly less apropos here

Did Tamsyn Muir sit down and go, you know what would have been really cool? You know what would have been really great? It would have been just awesome if Darth Vader had cracked a dad joke at the end of Return of the Jedi, I'm so mad he didn't do that

Things that are still not resolved as of this chapter:

What does Gideon's eye color mean?

Why were Mercy and Augustine trying to open the Tomb?

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wait shit this means that now i have to guess who the killer is

i'm pretty decent at guessing when someone's about to die because the death flags and all. showcasing how nice and pleasant magnus is was on the subtler end of that but was definitely one of them. but guessing the answer to a murder mystery? i'm not good at that, not at all.

so hmm. what do i have to go off of? incoming speculation without a conclusion.

okay so it can't be someone overly suspicious or hostile to the protagonists, because that's always too easy. so not that uncle guy.

can't be gideon or harrow because they have the only alibi i can trust as a reader.

i can't remember anything the people from House #2 have done so unless they get more focus coming up, they're probably not narratively important enough.

i don't think it's the teenagers. ngl i just don't think they have it in them. it'd just feel more like a joke than an answer, if they're the killers.

narratively i think the most interesting answer is whatever is the most emotionally torturous for gideon. that would be dulcinea, who seems mysterious and savvy enough that i could believe it. she's got the muscle working for her.

that reminds me, it has to be someone who is strong enough to overpower Magnus. which is not a high bar (clever of the author to set it up that way). but i feel like that rules out the teenagers further. unless this was done with skeletons. i don't know close to enough about the magicks involved to know if taking out Abigail would be difficult, but it's possible this either required a greater necromancer or a surprise attack. basically anybody could be the greater necromancer.

scratch that, harrow is still on the list, she could be remotely controlling a skeleton to do this. this does, however, require a severe level of manipulativeness on this part, because if she had a plan to kill them then she'd have been lying when she implied urgency to Gideon, that they needed to go do the thing before Abigail, as a way of setting up her plan and alibi. i think that it's probably not her though, it would be an extremely bold and risky decision by the author — but the reputation of the series has led me to believe it may very well make that kind of decision.

another emotionally torturous option for gideon would be if it's the twins, since she's so horny for one of them. it could also be only one of the twins. lots of unknowns here in what their motives are. they are a bit on the nasty side, the "it would be too obvious if it was them" side, but most of that hasn't been directed toward the protagonists themselves, which i feel like leaves them a bit open as an option.

palamedes is for sure an option. the thing is, there's more than one way this could go. he definitely has plans of his own and is narratively important, but this kind of thing is all about subversion. if gideon immediately starts suspecting him, then it's very likely it's not him, but if we don't consider the option, it could spring it on us. this applies to basically all of the options.

that last point is why i'm not good at predicting these things. i can see ways for the story to handle it that would make any of these things possible and i can't find any guarantees. the author has plenty of choices at her disposal.

that said my tentative guess is dulcinea because it would, again, make gideon sad.

thoughts on gideon the ninth chapter sixteen

called it :)

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Couldn't Handle The Storm

Gideon enters frantically and is met with Su waiting for him by the door with a look mixed with smugness "Wow surprised you made it. The love of your life is battered and bruised and where were you?" "Thank you for bringing in Grayson"

Su: Thats all you have to say?

Gideon: Thats all there is to say, Mr. Kim

Su: Hmm...crazy to think when Grayson needed you most you weren't there. What were you doing

Gideon: I'm only going to show appreciation once. You can leave now

Su: Fine. See you around Gideon

There is a tense atmosphere in the room. Gideon's is tight with tension as he walks towards Grayson. How can they move on from this? Can they? What will he tell Grayson's parents? He made a promise he would keep Grayson safe and he failed. Miserably. Climbing into bed, Gideon needs to hold Grayson close "I'm so sorry Grayson"

Grayson: I was really scared Gideon, that person threatened my sisters. What are we going to do?

Gideon: I'll handle it. Just please don't -

Grayson: You keep saying you'll handle it. I trust you but I'm still scared

Gideon: Grayson...don't

Grayson: I still love you. I just...I need to think about my family too. I can't put them in harm's way

Gideon: Grayson. Please

Grayson: You said once you graduate and that's in 2 weeks. Just 2 weeks to figure things out

Gideon gets up from the bed, silence still thick with tension and gives Grayson one last kiss. "I'll see you in one week. Just give me two weeks, and everything will be fine" Grayson doesn't reply he knows it's not Gideon's fault but he can't help his feelings of fustration

Gideon: I've already called your parents before coming, they will be here by tomorrow night. I love you Grayson. Don't ever forget it

Gideon leaves with those last words and makes a call outside "I need a favour...Yea something happened and I need you to find someone"

At the Williams Residence

Simone: The boy must have gotten the message by now, give it a few days and after the shareholders' meeting you should approach Gideon

Alaia: I understand Grandma"

Simone: Good girl, Don't worry it's just a small bump in the road everything will be fine now

Viktor: If he wasn't so stubborn none of this would have happened. What a waste of time

Alaia despite her concerns a few days before is ecstatic, finally after all these months of embarrassment she's got her justice. The next step is showing Gideon she's the best option

The conversation is cut short when they enter the living room and see Gideon seated, quiet with a battered and bruised body on the floor. "The only saving grace you have right now is that Grayson is alive"

Viktor: Gideon, what is the meaning of this?

Gideon: There isn't a point going to the police, I know that so I dropped him off for you.

Viktor: Gideon...This is for the best, You have to think of the Williams family name

Gideon: Right...the family name. Consider that dead and gone. I'll see you at the shareholders meeting

Gideon gets up and dusts himself off "This is my fault, I have been too lax with the nonsense you've been doing. This is the last time. Stay away from Grayson and his family. There is no familial relationship that will prevent me from doing what I need to do. Understand?"

Gideon ignores them and leaves them in silence. Alaia runs towards Gideon trying to call out his name, surprisingly Gideon stops. "Miss Wagner, that also extends to you, we are strangers and you mean nothing to me"

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