#they dont even dislike each other i do think theyre just besties .....

[todayisafridaynight]

Joon-Gi and zhao are besties that are also worsties but never go through actually being that bad to each other cuz they share a boyfriend in ichiban

auspistice

[cerealmonster15]

TWST SIMS!!!! a relationships update post as i went thru and was cleaning out npcs lol

HELP WHEN DID CATER AND SILVER BREAK UP 😭😭😭 but theyre still sweethearts and u can SEE they still have a lot of pink... was it an amicable break up... did they break up but still like each other WHATS GOING ONNNNN

maybe he's upset cater proposed to idia instead of him lol 😭😭😭 i checked tho and cay is still going strong with idia and trey.... girl this is malleus/neige all over again. maybe theyll get back together like those two did too lol. ill have to play another household and catch them in the world together and see. aka i need to send someone to the gym bc that seems to be the favorite spot for all my twst sims to gather sjkghdlkfj

also. huh.??? trey is asleep wym overcharged 😭???

when did leona get a job. why is he an oracle what does that m ean,

since his shift was ongoing when i swapped over of course he was late lol, then his boss called bc i forgot to send him immediately lol so i guess it was fitting he's got poor attendance...

....WHAT. LEONA/NEIGE REAL.... wait but last i checked malleus and neige had gotten back together too, are malleus and leona sharing a boyfriend. a sparkly rsa boyfrie-

WAIT WHATS GOING ON HERE EJKLFJSDKLHGLKSDJFKLS

WHAT THE FU CK LOL>???/

leona....

whatever. bananaclaw boys are full of haters for real

leona and malleus dislike each other. leona is haters with benefits with neige. hes soulmates with vil / they are woohoo partners. and best friends. if anyone should be haters with benefits i think it should be those two but i dont know how to make them do that on purpose lmao

jack and kalim dislike each other??????? somehow??? so do jack and jade but that one makes more sense to canon LOL. jack and jamil also dislike each other :[ the J boys are not getting along... he even dislikes some rando named Janet!! but i deleted her lol. the first year polycule is still doing well, jack's still going strong with juice and epe-

BROKEN UP???? HUH......................... hes not broken up w/juice at least. but boys what is going ON!!!!! HELLO??? augh. skjfjslkg i act surprised but like im well aware that i have the story progression doing this lol. and theyre COWORKERS!!! the tension of it all....

ruggie i forgot unfortunatley still has the aftermath of my other updates where i was playing my twst oc house and he was swept up in the hater break up storm so he is broken up with char and dañarte and has like. "it's very awkward" with char where they just do not like each other, but then "bad romance" with dañarte where they have mega bad romance but some green frienship. i thought he and kalim had some negative but theyre actually at neutral acquaintances. but ruggies besties with jamil at least!!! hes also friends with neige lol

ok im gonna fuckin check neige now wtf is he up to

i couldnt find him at first bc he was hiding under a bridge with his dog 😭 WHY ARE HE AND KALIM HATERS WHY IS KALIM MAKING SO MANY ENEMIES NOOO LOL THEY LITERALLY DESPISE EACH OTHER 😭😭😭

okay. well. it doesnt say broken up but it also doesnt say partners. so what is the truth🤨 also i sent neige home and he had mac n cheese left on the stove bitch get it TOGETHER!!!

omg wait i still have jealously on for him. im turning that off for him now but i wonder if that had any relation to his weird relationships but im going with probably not and it was still jsut sims being super random with the auto generating lol

wait has he not met vil.... or rook... im sending him to pomefiore at 1am to establish bonds and ill check back later and see if random progression does anything with it lol. therye literally next door neighbors i think he's even coworkers with vil why havent they met. vils pretending not to see him and avoiding eye contact lol

hes bonding w/rook and epel but vil literally got in bed and went to sleep the moment neige walked inside lol

wait i had him go wake him up but i forgot i have like

ten billion pictures of cater and rook in vils room fskljgsldfs from when i was still figuring out some mechanics of how photo taking works... one day ill have rook take a billion pics of vil and neige for his room 😌 ok whatever ill leave them there, im also checking through everyones households rn to remove/hide the relationships with non twst related npcs after i sniped everyone out of the extra houses lol we are CLEANING UP

let's check on my stupid little ocs...

char is friens with neige and good friens with chenya!! true to life... his only bad relationship is with ruggie lol im sorry ruggie im sorry char 😭

dan's funny, his bad relationships are all exes and then Also Cater who isnt actually an ex in this game even tho his sole purpose for existing as a twst oc is to cause cater's love life issues and to be an eventual ex... sims cater clocked his rancid vibes and said NO!!!

but ok not much to see there for now. moving on... i think malleus has a lot of enemies / disliked at least lol, based on who im seeing so far...

omg wait i went to check jamil

i WAS gonna be like WHAT HAPPENED but. i forgot. i did that :[ when i was playing as dañarte 😔 his villainous valentine needs him to get people to break up and alas, the sims generated ship of jamil and sebek was one i had to destroy for it kfshdgklj. oh jamil and neige are best friends tho fjksghlk good for them. where does neige keep meeting everyone i feel like i never see him wandering around when i play lol. kalim also dislikes sebek tho jsdkfsklg defending his bestie i guess

kalim and vil..

romantic interests who are broken up... when did... that happen... so many of these bitches are having flashfire romances and dumping each other when im not looking. but then continue to gaze longingly at each other about it lol. kalim is also dating riddle which idr if i knew that already or not. but it's CUTE :]

chekcing on epel and the first year polycule truly is in shambles before it could fully form

hes doing GREAT with juice, it's confusing w/jack as we saw before bc theyre apparently broken up but still besties and coworkers and love each other, but then he DISLIKES the two he hasnt dated, ace and sebek jfkshgkljsd. he also has disliked cater and idk what thats about. maybe hes annoyed cater keeps coming over and flirting w/his housemates,,

azuls relationship w/jade is bugged lol, it says theyre both acquaintances and best friends , sometimes it messes up when theres romance and friendship i think and gets confused when the romance is near zero but i think if i use a lil cheats i can fix it. later tho i dont feel like it rn. i specifically have relationship decay OFF but i think the fact that i have story progression maybe still alters it so i get some decay anyway which keeps making these FULL GREEN BAR BESTIES show as acquaintances 😑

but also i feel like that accurately kinda represents the way the fish talk about each other in canon sdkjfslk theyre ALWAYS together but like to pretend theyre not friends. also azul doesnt like sebek. why is diasomnia collecting so many dislikers just thru seb and mal lol

deuce is the first year polycule glue

he is still dating all of them except apparently i havent had him meet sebek yet? hes also still dating chenya which the game did when i wasnt looking lol. juice you are just so lovable no one can break up with you <- probably foreshadowing for a future game session lol

sebek.......... god 😭😭😭 jkdfsjklfjsdkgl this is so real tbh he doesnt know many people and half the people he knows dont fuckign like him/he doesnt like them. and his favorite person is malleus by far LOL i dont even think i intervened much here i think most of this sebek did on his own or via story progression random LOL...

malleus is still a hater also , i think hes the only one that full on is in DESPISED ZONE with someone. TWO SOMEONES!!! jade and him have been like that for a while but idr when idia showed up LOL god. and he and leona dont like each other either <3 and hes still romantically involved w/neige and azul from the random story progressions. here's the post where i doodled about neige/malleus if u missed it bc /i/ still think it's FUNNY JKLjdklshfsd i really want to draw whatever the hells going on with neige and leona too. and his hater thing with kalim. like bestie bleas ejjskdlhgklsj

the only person silver doesnt like is ortho. i think ortho has beef with silver and ace specifically and it's so funny fjksekj. silver has a lot of firenships and his only romance is with cater despite being also broken up as we saw in the start of this post

OKAY THATS ENOUGH FOR NOW IM TIIIIRED i dont even know if people read these LOL but it's fun archiving for myself bc i sure as hell often forget whats going on w/how rapidly things change behind my back!!!

[spatio-rift]

9/10 and 24/25 :3

Yesss thank you Smiles so sweetly. 💙

9. worst part of canon: we all know about this... taka(+orochimaru)s characterization thrown away in the war for jokes or to act as plot devices... i fear i may never forgive kishimoto. the atmosphere wasnt so tense that we needed karin to be crazy about sasuke again + that overt about wanting sasuke to bite her (?!). why is suigetsu acting like he wasnt captured and experimented on by orochimaru but worked for him like karin. why is juugo acting like sasuke is kimimaro when he clearly made the difference before. orochimarus weirdass change of heart because we needed the hokages to show up. or even suigetsu randomly stumbling upon a convenient scroll detailing how to undo shiki fuujin and his first thought (before he meets sasuke again) is to pocket it because it would be useful for sasuke?? like why was it in suigetsus hideout of all places. why does suigetsu even know what it means. im sorry i just dont think orochimaru discussed the matter of his arms & the first 4 hokages souls over the vivisection table and i dont believe sasuke ever brought it up during hebitaka because WHY WOULD HEEE. etc etc etc like am i making sense? they really are just there to move the plot along and play out a joke once in a while. nothing about what happened when taka separated matters at all in the war theyre barely even characters

10. worst part of fanon: 100% the tendency to make everyone friends i think its so boring!!! like in what world are taka invited to karuis wedding? in what world is karin a guest star on the real housewives of konoha (=joining them for brunch). what exactly do temari and karin have in common other than both having the Kishimoto Woman Personality Type #1.

its so much more fun to have characters who just cant stand each other. naruto dislikes taka for literally no reason and its hilarious we should keep it that way. no way im ever believing karui genuinely befriends sakura i think they should HATE having to see each other all the time because their girls are besties. it will always feel more natural &balanced to me + im more inclined to believe 2 characters whove never talked to each other could be great friends if youve also considered who they DONT mesh with at all.

24. topic that brings up the most rancid discourse: im trying to remember the sort of discourse ive seen on twitter… but i think i will be boring and say like anything about sakura honestly and especially her relationship with sasuke. the only thing i can think about rn is her fake confession to naruto i dont know what about it gets people going THAT much but they are naastyyy about it.

discourse about Saradas REAL Mom i also steer clear of as much as i can. disgusting. nasty. rancid. i hate that its still a thing people argue about in 2024

you could literally say anything about a naruto woman and it will bring up disgusting discourse honestly

25. common fandom complaint that you're sick of hearing: i cant remember anything specific and i know i will feel silly right after posting because like 5 different things will immediately come back to me. here are a few

-> that sasukes ending sucks but everything could be fixed if he got to travel the world with taka. because he #DeservesIt. no the fuck he doesnttttt he should go on his own since he wants them to leave him alone so much.

-> i guess more generally all the complaints about narutos ending SPECIFICALLY about everyone getting married and having kids. i really dont careeee the kids are cute the pairings were set in stone from the beginning everyone is happy. im happy. who give a shit.

also its not exactly a complaint but every other comment on any kind of naruto side content (like sasuke retsuden manga etc) being like "this is awesome not like that trash boruto" SHUT UP!!!! i understand not liking the story of boruto and i understand feeling disappointed by it as a sequel to naruto but you dont have to bring it up all the time!! just move on!!! ignore it!!! you will be much happier!!!

[xx-psych0-rabbit-xx]

how do u see zan interacting with susie, magolor and marx

OH THIS IS FUNNN

first of all all instances we have of zan interacting w ppl consist of her insulting them (i think her form of insulting is so funny btw.she fully acknowledges others skills but seems all competitive abt it at the end n most of her nicknames arent even related to her competitive sore loser-ness.she just hates ppl anyways.why is she like this.) so im p sure she has the social skills of moldy cardboard

susie:i think zan would find her.the most tolerable? i mostly picture the mages interacting w wave 3, n she finds taranza (keeps trying to relate to her n his overly open emotional bonding is making her uncomfortable) n magolor (have had beef since childhood w each other)(more on that up ahead!) to be extremely obnoxious while susie doesnt comment on anything regarding her or tries being annoying on purpose, but ultimately zan sees susie as just "okay" bc she much prefers talking to her sisters, susie on the other hand has some.kinda lesbian fueled fascination? w her? she thinks she seems cool but pitiful but mean but naive but insane, faraway observation kinda crush, most of her attempts to make any moves completely fail bc zan doesnt understand anything shes trying to get at, i imagine the longer this goes on the worse susie is doing, ironically the more desperate she gets to get zan to get a hint the more calm zan gets around her bc as far as shes seeing things susie likes talking to her lol

tl dr susie rly wants this to be some epic yuri, zan thinks theyre acquaintances n that susie just has a tendency to say weird things like shes expecting a reply sometimes.if this yuri was successful theyd be that one image like "hi me n my girlfriend saw you from the other side of the club! n we like fucking HATE your vibe."

magolor:theres this one nifty theory magolor spent some amount of time at the jamba cult in the past, its a theory i borrow from my bestie n its been a while since shes explained it fresh to me, so if anyones interested i can always waterboard it until she explains it to me again so i can share it lol.anyways maggie spent some time as some kinda fourth sibling to the mages, i think zan liked him back then, shes a natural at being an older sister figure n she cherishes hyness n her sisters a lot in canon (only ppl shes affectionate towards n shes v expressive abt it), so she treated magolor similarly, till he either escaped or got the boot from hyness (i personally picture he was just obnoxiously curious? over questioning is a big deal in religion.so rly either realized this was a cult or hyness got tired of him), whereas shed just.grow to absolutely despise him bc thats betrayal of faith n betrayal of them to her, hyness wouldnt be happy w magolor specially n zan would see his word as the holy law, magolor seems to dislike the mages as well in a couple tweets, so i feel he also grew to dislike them, so they just.hate each other now they met again lol.magolor thinks pissing her off on purpose is hilarious n zan rly rly RLY wants to maim him.but kirby said they need to be friends so wtv.

tl dr zan thinks hes a heretic false believer guilty of blasphemy n apostasy, magolor thinks shes an annoying blind suck up to a stupid cult religion

marx:she has no.interest in him lol.she thinks hes a little funny at times (mostly when nobody else thinks its funny) (she also thinks puns r funny but dont tell anyone she said that) but mostly looks like pointless trouble also hes friends w magolor so thats 50 negative points immediately by association.

[catonatrain]

Hi, I hope you're doing well ! For the character ask game, what about Momoi Satsuki with 1, 2, 3, 7, 8, 12, 16 & 23 ?

thank you for the questions !! finally able to finish this since i was a bit busy !!

everything will go under the cut because i ended up writing like a very mini essay

1. Why do you like or dislike this character?

she is my daughter !! i rlly love the love she has to offer to the world !! and most importantly, i love her passion for basketball as well -- i rlly enjoyed how integral she was to the teams she was a manager to due to her data collecting, and how those analytical abilities made her a force to be reckoned with !! in conclusion, that's my girl !!

2. Favorite canon thing about this character?

ok i do feel like i answered that in the last question, so i'll add that im absolutely so endeared by the fact she nicknames many people :] honestly kagamin and midorin are amongst my fav nicknames from her... think kagami and midorima won there

7. What's something the fandom does when it comes to this character that you like?

i don't have too much experience with the fandom -- since i got into knb in mid 2022 and rlly have only interacted with a few ppl on tumblr and my friends -- but from what ive seen, i rlly love the amount of love ive seen !! most people ive seen like her a lot and support her !! even those in other fandoms (looking at my beloved a3! fandom the most) -- when momoi's on polls (ex. @/girlygirltournament, @/girls-in-love-bracket, @/pinkandbluebracket) there's always a lot of support for her !!

quick fun fandom thing -- i do want to say that in the pink&blue poll, an alliance was made with a3! fans because both a3! fans and knb fans were super supportive of each other and had a fun competition and ever since then... they have been brother in arms 2 me...

and of course my favorite is still @/pinkhairswagtourney where we arranged for muku (the a3! pink haired boy ever, i even have a little can badge of him) and momoi to tie and be a team together !! and then they won the whole tournament... being able to beat madoka :D and i like to think it is bc of our shared love for charas

(also to anyone reading this, i think you guys should vote for a3! charas when u see them on polls)

THIS GOT REALLY LONG but essentially, momoi is very loved from what ive seen and even to those outside of the knb fandom and that is smth i like a lot :>

8. What's something the fandom when it comes to this character that you despite?

again, i don't really interact with fandom, but i can guess (based on most fandom patterns) that there are people who likely ignore her in favor of the other (most likely male) charas and that'd make me :(

12. What's a headcanon you have for this character?

i like to think she and takao will eventually become besties and have a very fun group with midorima and kise

16. What's your least favorite ship for this character?

i assume this question excludes ships you would have no real opinion on (so probably some pairs where they dont interact that much -- even tho i have shipped charas who have very little interactions it all depends on the vibes...)

anyways that makes it a tough question for me !! i personally do prefer aomine and momoi to be platonic, but like. i get it. theyre childhood friends who love each other a lot. inseparable... their bond is just very special to me...

this ended up being me talking abt how i like aomine and momoi's bond but i think that's ok even if i basically didnt answer the question because like. after writing all of this im like... yeah its not my least favorite but i already committed to writing this much

23. Favorite picture of this character?

THIS IS SO HARD... i love so many momois in da world... but ill choose this one for now because she looks soooo happy in it !! look at her smile, she is everything to me...

[roseworth]

8 again and 25 🫡

choose violence ask game

8. common fandom opinion that everyone is wrong about

tired of seeing people say that tim and jason are friends!!!! my ideal jason & tim dynamic is that neither of them are particularly fond of each other and they only talk when they have to for a case or something. like theyre not necessarily hostile but they just. dont care about each other.

to me jason has a little underlying anger just bc he knows tim became robin after him (not a rational anger by any means but still there) and tim doesnt really,,, think very highly of jason ig. just bc he really liked dick as robin but mostly sees jason as the guy that became robin after dick then died. i think he wouldnt necessarily dislike jason for the most part but wouldnt feel any need to be friends with him

(^none of that is really canon but it is to ME.)

25. common fandom complaint that you're sick of hearing

i never want to hear someone say that dc is ignoring dick, jason, tim, or damian. i PROMISE you that they are not even a little ignored. sometimes theyll go a few months without appearing in a book and their fans will be crying and throwing up bc dc isnt giving them attention and it annoys me every time. like yes damians solo got cancelled (rip) but he has been consistently showing up in events since that happened so you are not starved of damian content. and yeah tims solo is getting cancelled (lol) but hes still a major character in the batman run rn so hes gonna be showing up

it doesnt happen to dick as much bc hes probably consistently shown up at least once a month for over 30 years but i remember when there were like 5 wayne family adventures eps in a row that he didnt show up in all the comments were like "WHERES DICK ????" like i dont know bestie how about you go look for him in the hundreds of issues of his solo runs

im convinced that some batfans couldnt handle being a fan of a slightly minor character. like we do not need more bat books!!!! there are so many!!!!!! stan a character that was wiped out of existence for a few years then we can talk

[yuukei-yikes]

this is definitely basically impossible most likely but the idea of a harutaka kanoshin double date is so funny to me for sooo many reasons i wont get into bc i dont wanna rant in ur askbox but yeah i think they would blow up whatever building they walk into

damn we love putting all these bitches in double dates. also PLEASE GET INTO IT AND RANT IN MY ASKBOX I NEED TO HEAR WHAT U HAVE TO SAY. please haruka and takane would be so deeply uncomfortable rest in fucking pieces.

like takane and kano Besties in MY delusion. i have a lot of thoughts about them theyre DONE SOOOOO DIRTY IN CANON ITS TRAGIC they're such a good duo and i hate that their parallels and potential is LITERALLY TOUCHED ON in the fifth novel (and sort of in general) but they do NOTHING with it and instead even antagonize each other and it gets even worse in anime route?!?!(dont get me ranting on mca ep 7 again). the potential is so good its right there. UGHHHHHH.

but i have to admit if we gather everything canon gives us it is most likely takane cant stand his ass and/or is very VEEEERY wary when around him, doesn't trust him at all. not in MY delusion, in MY delusion they are bestfriends HOWEVER. IN THIS SCENARIO UR GIVING ME. IT WOULD BE DEEPLY FUNNIER IF TAKANE CANT STAND KANO. bc for haruka kano is like. the 1 person to get on his nerves in canon (when disguised as ayano)

so.... the idea that both really dislike him makes this so so so so funny right. like even for a general kanoshin scenario. shintaro's best friends just absolutely hating his boyfriend that's HILARIOUS

shintaro: i found someone😀

haruka&takane: 😀

shintaro: its kano☹️

haruka&takane: ☹️

also ermm yeah i cant imagine any double date ideas. depends on the peace situation in kano and shintaro's dynamic. if peaceful and cute then it can be good that way my takane&kano besties delusion can happen and haruka's like fine whatever and its not awful. if bad then everyone is just like wanting to die. tell me ur wisdom i gotta hear it

[heartof-kings]

SORRY YOU DONT HAVE TO DO THIS BUT I REALLY LIKE YOUR TAKE ON REMUS SO IF YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE OPINIONS FOR THE MEME ON THE OTHER SIDES.....👀

JDHXPYDOEJDIXHSA FOAMING AT THE MOUTH THANK YOU SO MUCH I LOVE THE SIDES

LOGAN

hooooly shit the ESSAYS i have written to my friends abt logan and how much i love him and how hes treated SO SHITTY by the other sides and the fandom and deserves more and im SO EXCITED FOR WHERE HIS CHARACTER IS GOING he is me and i would take him on the best dates to museums and let him tell me everything he knew abt whatever is on display

JANUS

ALSO DESERVES SO MUCH BETTER OH MY GOD he tries so hard to help but bc his advice doesnt pass The Catholic Test the others wont let him help and im fkdgsoabfjsAAAAGAH CHONPING also his dynamic with Roman is OS GOOD and i want to see more of them interacting AND i need to see him interact eith logan anf remus more they are all besties, lovers even.

VIRGIL

virgil is another nuanced character a GOOD character, that has made a few too many mistakes for me personally to like right now but i think he is definitely going to change and improve in the future and i cant wait for that. also gets done dirty by the fandom. i occasionally brainrot abt his possible connection to janus and remus and also his relationship to logan bc theyre such a good duo, bounce very well off each other. same with roman actually but that ine is so popular in the fandom yknow thats already appreciated. i also think abt how HE has been don dirty by the other characters too tho, especially patton.

PATTON (THIS IS /NEG FEEL FREE TO SKIP)

IIIII FUCKING HATE PATTON. okay so. his actual in canon character has many flaws that make me actively dislike him but hes such a good and nuanced character qmd the fandom does not appreciate that. they always boild him down to the happy father. wjen hes SO MUCH MORE. i indulge in u!patton content myself just bc thats how i like to interpret him out of canon but in canon he has potential to realize his faults and grow and we see him start that with janus. excited to see where his character is going. he better apologize to all the others eventually tho 😤

[gayspock]

worked myself up so terribly. ive been thinking the most frightening and all too scary extraterrestuation (extraterrestial situation) would be if, like, we just didn't click... didnt mesh.... the stars did not align with us. and well if we politely just did not like each other. etc. etc. etc.... like you know what i mean. because you see, its always proposed, you know- the frightening potential wherein they'd HATE!!!! our pussy so bad. and sure, oh i do get a little nervous of that too. dont get me wrong. and i know lots of other people do too- you see its been done so many times in books and in movies and its even on the telly. always some bloke who writes a story like "llalalala and then the funny guys with lots of body parts sort of adjacent to ours but green shot us in the fucking heads until we explodied" and when the blokes writes the story, he grins to himself and i think he writes a love heart above the i in apocalypse (he puts one in so he can do that) because he loves this little story of his when he imagines all the scary guys from outer space coming down to shoot us with guns and blood and slime. and like i think its a bit scary too like i said but im just ... i dont know... uhm well isnt this all embarassing to bare yourself like this, but also to bare yourself in a way where its like "oh fucking hell, we get it youre a relatable tumblr user" but sniff sniff dont you think it would just be a little worse off if they didnt even want to blow heads up goo style and they didnt even not DISlike us but maybe oh- oh gosh we make first contact remotely and we're all soooo excited but then we go through a whole palaver to get to one another and its like gassed up and there's like a big welcome party with balloons and confetti maybe at pizza hut so we get to use the ice cream machines there but then we all finally sit down and uhm... its just dead you know.... its just dead air between us. like a tinder date. like they dont even have a substantial reason to not really gel with us they just sort of get the ick and its one of those things you know where we dont all fall in love with everyone we meet and its a bittersweet fact that is, you know, that you dont truly purse your lips at until the taste is in your mouth and you have to really fucking demolish the coke zero you ordered to swish it out like all of this anticipation and for what and your alien bestie is just sort of fidgeting all uncomfortable like, kinda shredding the napkins and you dont even think you want to ask if theres a second date because youre not sure you want one either, that fleeting feeling of "ah, well theyre not it for me, babe" except it isnt even fleeting its sustained because unlike the words of comfort you can try to tide yourself over with, this truly might just be not just a once in a life time sort of chance but a once in a many lifetimes sort of venture and its sooooo awkward because its like its not like you guys can really even try or force it you know and its not like they did anything or you did anything like none of us went into here with sour intentions and the only mistake was the hopefulness we had but its like oh christ. oh fucking hell. they just dont really fancy spending the time with us i think im shaking...

[golbrocklovely]

I disagree, i dont think Katrina and Colby have the siblings energy all ya’ll claim and i see what the anon was talking about. I think at most they tolerate eachother for Sam and her glaring isnt always a joke because its been going on for years beyond Colbys recent broadcast of it, she is most likely tired that her boyfriend and his best friend have gotten even closer over the years while she has had to fight for attention. Think about it, she was close to not having anywhere to live and moving into her moms again and here he was with a whole mansion with thoughts on expanding that per his words originally didnt include her. The euro trip didn’t include her, she said that after SHE decided to go she bought Tomorrowland tickets and was upset when they no longer went to Scotland which is also why her bestie mentioned Scotland to fans. Perhaps her tomorrowland take over cut into original Scotland filming. I’ve seen her lives and she undermines Colby all the time. She makes things seem like its her doing or her and Sams even though he is off telling xplrclub a completely different story. Trips, decorating, foody adventures, plans on moving, listen to her words. There was a reason for her bringing her bestie along all the time to their house and then on trips in the beginning just didn’t expect her to put all her attention on Colby and not on her. She gives off the vibe of someone that requires a lot of attention and Colby is someone whom naturally gets said attention with little effort. She tries very hard to be noticed and doesn’t comprehend she isnt at the same level as him, look at the music aspect, he did little to no real advertising and has gained far more than she has with all the promotion she has done. Even when talking about his music on stream she only did because fans brought it up and then proceeded to advertise under my skin. So they definitely tolerate and put up with eachother for Sams sake but as far as sibling energy which goes beyond just teasing i dont see it. There have been times from both where you can see and hear in their words the annoyance in the others presence and i dont think because you dont see them physically fighting that it means theyre joking and all is fine. We all know Sam puts Colby above Kat a lot, has even admitted to it in multiple videos.

i mean, they probably in some respect only tolerate one another, but i also don't think they hate each other. i think kat gets annoyed by colby easily, but i also think she glares at him as a joke.

if they didn't get along, especially after all this time, i highly doubt colby would live with her. he wouldn't want her included on their trips, and he probably would have moved out if it was that serious. so… they clearly care about one another to some degree.

and as for the europe trip, i think that whole thing was planned a little messily. realistically, and this is no shade towards kat or stas, but they don't really get a say in going to these places with snc. they don't really plan them. snc plan and pay for them. they are just added on bc snc care about them and want them to go. i think they all collectively decided they wanted to go to tomorrowland, but other than that, snc were the ones planning everything. so while the girls wanted to go to scotland, snc didn't or just didn't have the time to. they were at the whim of the boys, so they followed. kat realistically had to have realized that this wasn't a vacay with her bf, this was a work trip and a slight vacay with her, her bf, his best friend, and another friend. maybe she was annoyed she didn't get to go to the places she wanted to, but she clearly got over those quickly.

i honestly don't think kat dislikes colby. like you said, maybe she doesn't love that he gets a lot more attention than her, but if that's the case, be upset at the fans. not the guy. but again, i don't think she's upset at him. i think they joke around a lot. i mean, watch clips of the livestream of her and snc. colby and her were annoying sam with how goofy they were being, so they clearly care about one another and get along well enough.

[snarky-gourmet]

For your FE ask game….do all of them! When you have time!

👉👈uwu thank u for asking

under the read more bc i dont wanna add to the main tags but some ppl that follow me have fe3h blacklisted

01. favorite house?

Black eagles!! Theyre actually the only house that i dont replace anyone in 😔

02. strongest unit you had?

It usually ends up being Byleth but honourable mention to that time i gave flayn every stat boosting item i had so she'd stop dying and she exclusively crithit upwards of 250 every turn

03. unit you always recruit?

Linhardt 😔

04. favorite golden deer?

Marianne

05. favorite blue lion?

Mercedes

06. favorite black eagle?

Lin 😔😔😔😔😔

07. favorite ashen wolf?

Yuri 👉👈

08. favorite house leader?

Edelgard wins by a slight margin but there r things i like and dislike abt every house leader

09. favorite faculty member?

Seteth

10. favorite support conversation?

It changes from time to time but tbh i like dorothea and yuri's entire support chain like that's the one that comes to mind 1st

11. favorite song?

Either at what cost or chasing daybreak!!

12. favorite activity (tea, fishing)?

Tea in houses, expedition in hopes 🤧 i love parasocially bonding with video game characters and it's the only time i can accurately say i hope i get an A in conversation and this is smth both normal to want and possible to achieve

13. what's one thing you'd change about fe3h?

If i only get 1 then 😔😔😔😔 seasonal/weather patterns at garreg mach. If i get 2 then the 2nd one is make cf longer

14. most emotional moment?

Not to have an obv answer but jeralt dying actually like i feel #stupit bc i rly didnt actually think he'd like. Die die u know? Like i was like oh haha okaaay dad time to get up that was a good one. And then he didnt

15. favorite support conversation?

I'll just list a diff fave here than the 1st time iiiiii like all of byleth and lin's supports, predictably 😔

16. what class would you be if you went to garreg mach?

Def a magic class i do not have the stamina to be carrying around a weapon

17. character you relate to?

Oh idek 😔😔 im rly not too terribly similar to anyone i dont think?

18. favorite pre timeskip design?

CLOSE call between petra and lin but petra actually gets the prize here bc i could do w out the little pony tail thing lin had going on 😭

19. favorite post timeskip design?

Linhardt's 🥰

20. unpopular opinion?

the horses are weird and i dont like them :( i would be so scared of them irl

21. favorite dynamic between characters?

love the childhood friend pairs tbh even if i dont always pair them off w each other its like yesss besties. i promise i wont make u kill each other in battle more than once

22. favorite heroes relic?

Failnaught looks coolest imo but aymr is the most Shape to draw even tho that doesnt Technically count

23. favorite class?

dark bishop outfit is sooo 👌 but i also like the dancer class tbh i actually didnt ever use it the first 5 times i played but now i have and its like wow ive been missing out

24. shez or byleth?

Byleth. beloved

25. favorite difficulty?

Maddening bc i love to suffer and struggle <3

[springatito-moved]

ok you're probably done with lore takes, but I really hate like the romantic ship between c!charlie and cquackity

my biggest problem with the ship how annoying it is that as soon as a close and personal relationship with clear benefits becomes a big deal it always gets shipped, even if there's no actual romantic tension between the characters. Is it not enough for characters to just be close and important to each other without being in "love"? Please???

I miss when the fandom was so hesitant to ship any characters that even Canon relationships were tip toed around. it was so nice existing in a fandom where platonic and family dynamics were more important than romantic ones.

also, I don't particularly care for the father/son one either, mainly because their dynamic just doesn't really fit that either. it's okay for characters to have a mutually beneficial relationship without it being part of an established troupe dynamic!

im NEVER done with lore takes

sameee its. idk i think its annoying ppl INSIST on pairing c!quackity with everyone he looks at as if he isnt literally in a relationship that is easily repairable. maybe its just bc i dont like non-canon pairings but its just. Off to me. esp considering his history.

i just also hate how ppl use them kissing as proof they like each other.... as if c!quackity didnt say BOTH TIMES he wasn't comfortable with the action and berated c!charlie for doing it. bestie the kiss isnt romantic if its disliked by one of the parties.

i think father/son is funny in the not family dynamic way but like.... "i have a sense of responsibility over you and you look up to me so I guess this is happening now" yknow? theyre allowed to just be best friends guys...

[brw]

Tony Stark and Reed Richards for the character ask thing

TONY STARK

how i feel about this character: 😬 ngl i... don't care for him. at all. i don't vehemently hate him, there's definitely times where i appreciate him & his personality but it's few and far between and i... genuinely do not get the hype. i think its mostly mcu fans' fault for my dislike, its just he's fucking EVERYWHERE now, it's impossible to miss him? like he plays a big role in EVERY avengers comic now, he gets ongoing titles all the time, and it's just so frustrating especially when you consider characters who used to be more or less on the same level on them (like hank pym! who, by the way, has been dead for 6 consecutive years! that would never happen with tony!) or even more popular than him now get streamlined because of the mcu's popularity. by himself, i don't really mind him that much, but with how famous he is now and how large and frankly annoying his fan base is i just... now really do not like the character.

all the people i ship romantically with this character: short list here; reed, because i find their dymanic of reed as someone who does everything for his family and will do everything and anything he can to protect their interests above everyone else but also wants to keep his hands clean and believes, genuinely, in the good of the world, and tony as someone who will do horrendous things in the name of the greater good who always has the bigger picture in mind interesting. i also don't know a lot about it but he seems cute with rhodey? even if i think rhodey deserves a bigger chance to be his own character away from tony as is sometimes denied i can always appreciate a good best friends to lovers dymanic :)

my non romantic otp for this character: um? i honestly don't know 😭 i don't like him enough to say, i guess him n reed again? him n rhodey again? help 😭😭😭

my unpopular opinion of this character: he does not deserve the fame he has. like, i dont mean to sound jealous or whatever but pre 2007 movie he was not the most well liked character or even that popular. like obviously he had fans because he had solo series on and off for a very long time but it just feels SO ridiculous that tony stark has a bigger fandom than the fucking fantastic four. THE FANTASTIC FOUR. marvel's first superhero team, and yet??? like okay. he might have things to offer i don't see. he obviously does, i mean, he got three movies and multiple solo series. but he has most certainly not got enough as a character to overshadow the fantastic four, the x-men, etc and i will never forgive the mcu & mcu fans (and mark miller, he deserves blame too) for making it so. again, by himself he's fine but it is ridiculous to me that a one note white character that appeared in his third film (harley keener or... whatever) has 2000s more fics than THE PROTAGONIST OF INTO THE SPIDERVERSE, MILES MORALES. it is just... so vile and frustrating to me.

one thing i wish would happen/had happened with this character in canon: he didn't exist <3 jk jk um i'm not sure? i guess it would be funny if he was like... stick thin underneath the armour. like idk. he's in the armour 24/7 it makes sense to me for him to be a skinny little nerd under there. like completely fucking small. like you can't be a superhero AND be a billionaire and avoid all those taxes AND run the avengers AND run multiple massive corporations and still work out... even if you take away eating and sleeping there's just not enough time... it would be funny if he was just a tiny little boy underneath all that djndndbf

my otp: gonna say him and rhodey again. like i say, can never resist a good best friends to lovers dymanic.

my cross over ship: jdjshdhdh literally none i don't think about him enough to consider it <3

headcanon fact: 100% think he was the one to offer reed that money to star in a p*rno it's just so funny to me to imagine dhsnndnd

REED RICHARDS

how i feel about this character: HE'S MY BOY! I LOVE HIM SO MUCH! like i guess it's paradoxical considering how similar he is to tony in some ways but man i just love reed so much. i so genuinely think reed richards is what tony stark fans want him to be. like they (mcu fans) make up elaborate headcanons of him being a good dad and an ethical billionaire and its like no that's reed richards? canonically he's gone broke bc he refuses to get money off his inventions... u have the wrong man... anyway he's also an asexual LEGEND i do not take criticism and ofc. autistic icon. literally he's so autistic it makes me <3 i love him dearly.

all the people i ship romantically with this character: it would be easier to list the people i DON'T ship with him lol. sue, obviously, victor ofc, and ben are the big ones, but i just LOVE his dymanic with t'challa and i think they would rlly work it... i also love the idea of him with namor, idk with victor it's just so funny to imagine reed as like. bizarrely attractive to rulers of foreign countries. blackagar faces the same problem <3 i also do believe him n hank pym dated in college for a bit... all their weird little microaggressions towards each other just makes me feel that way... again i do like him w/ tony and i made this weird au where he and emma frost got together which if prompted i WILL talk about. probably. more but yeah <3

my non romantic otp for this character: while i do LOVE them together as lovers i just love. benreed generally <3 like they're LITERALLY besties they love each other sm and i'm tired of pretending they don't????? so many people ignore this relationship and it makes me so sad!!! they're best friends they love each other fight for each other fight with each other theyre literally besties... smh put some respect on the benreed name 😤

my unpopular opinion of this character: i don't think this is that unpopular but it is in certain circles so! i genuinely think reed is the best marvel dad! like you can talk abt others all u want but the fact is that reed is the only character i can think of who has always been there in his kid's lives and has consistently put their needs first. like not saying other characters are bad but even at his worst writing he's always done his best for his kids and certainly has been full of love for them. other characters at their worse have. murdered their own kids <3 genuinely he's the best marvel dad and sure there's not a lot of competition but. yeah <3

one thing i wish would happen/had happened with this character: I WANT A CANONICAL AUTISM DIAGNOSIS NOW. literally he is SO autistic & there are... no big autistic marvel characters! at all! literally none! the closest we have is legion (who was written in an incredible ableist way and autism hasnt been used to describe him in a solid 30 years) and monet (and it turned out it wasn't monet but one of her twin sisters impersonating her :/) so it would just mean so much to see a canonically autistic character like reed who is older & has a wife and kids who he loves and who they love in return on panel. like so much of the rep we DO have is like, young kids or teens and idk an autistic adult would just mean so much to me. especially one like reed who is as selfless & loving as he is.

my otp: tie between doomreed and reedsue! any option that gets this noodle nerd lots of love i'm good for tbh

my cross over ship: him and ralph dibney from dc should date... they have so much in common... stretchy autistic man who's very smart and kind of silly who loves his wife sue who pegs him 🥴 they'd have so much to talk about sjbdhdhd also imagining the look on ben's face realising there's TWO of them is. so funny.

headcanon fact: he's aromantic he's asexual and neither of these stop him from his very meaningful & passionate relationship with his wife :)

assorted character ask game!

[matoitech]

How do you think galo feels about burning rescue and remi? Do you think he gets along with them?

oh this is a good question i think like ultimately it could b hard 2 say and how i get 2 my response is either following implication or just taking point a 2 point b w my understanding of galos character.. i think id say he gets along with them as in, galo and his coworkers have enough of an understanding to work functionally as a group by the time the movie happens, and he will hang out w them after work occassionally like when they went 2 the pizza place, but how good of friends they r if theyre friends at all... its hard to say. its like. other chars treat galo a certain way bc he is autistic and i think he is more aware of this than is generally made out 2 be by fans (i dont think hes as oblivious as fans think he is anyway). he DOES react 2 things they say (he is more obviously hurt by things they say in the ova and then doesnt react as much in the movie but i dont think thats bc he thinks its ok, i think he just got used 2 it unfortunately). he is aware he doesnt rly click with any of them even tho he genuinely tried in the ova and was shut down bc his teammates just do not communicate the same way galo does and make no effort 2 learn. and i dont feel like thats something that will necessarily change- i dont think theyre going to suddenly realize that how they treat him is kind of shitty and make an effort to stop, unless an outside person or force brings it up w them (cuz i doubt galo will). so i think galo is always going to have a level of detachment from them bc they did shit that WAS hurtful and theyre not going 2 apologize and even if they did its hard 2 rly trust ppl after that or assume theyre not just silently thinking ur an idiot or whatever.

i think its most likely that galo esp during the beginning of the movie b4 his relationship w lio progresses is he just feels kind of lonely and disappointed w his coworkers, not rly interested in trying 2 form relationships w them now again unless THEY extend that olive branch first. he was polite 2 aina at the lake even tho she was kind of rude (they were Trying to communicate gbfhbg), i dont think hes AGAINST spending time w them i think he just decided it probably wasnt gonna work out w only him trying and he’d better focus his energy elsewhere. however. i would say that judging by galo reacting more 2 what remi says than other chars (since remi is a lot more obvious w looking down on galo 4 being autistic, the dudes literally canonically ableist) galo probably gets along w remi the Least. generally my interpretation is that he dislikes like remi but i dont have a whole lot of canon backing besides ‘if someone said that to me i would be mad as hell at them’ and i think neither remi nor galo is interested in being friendly after that one. sometimes i see ppl write lio and remi as being friends and im like.. u think lio is friends w someone who treated his husband like That??

but like. galo has lio now and i think theres potential for him 2 get along w lios friends as well more than burning rescue so hes not gonna be friendless or anything and also i think there is potential for galo 2 b able 2 get along w aina, he seems 2 get along w lucia best and maybe varys, but just from what we have in canon. i dont theyre friends Right Now (except potentially galo and lucia?? im really not sure abt that they DO get along better than the others and spend more time 2gether working on mech stuff and powerpoints apparently, id say theyre probably friends?). galo and burning rescue COULD be friends. but i dont think theyre besties during movie events, as is a common interpretation (which i dont dislike or anything bc i get it, i want galo and burning rescue 2 b friends too) i think its like a difference in whether u view things from burning rescues pov or galos bc burning rescue probably thinks theyre treating him well :|

so. tldr. galo works well w burning rescue as a team but they really do feel more like coworkers that might b friends w each other but you r not included than a group of best bros. galos the newest, youngest, and also is autistic and all that influences his relationship w them. and theres a lot of reasons galo was willing 2 risk everything 4 lio and the connection and understanding they had w each other, and galos a good compassionate person who would help ppl in need regardless but him feeling sort of on the outs and lonely and not connected 2 anyone until lio is kind of a piece of the story imo

[voidcat]

...atsumu, oikawa and kita?? They don't count as red flags right?? just bois...playing volleyball??

okay hmmm this couldve been harder if i hadnt entered kita appreciation mode like... last week? two weeks ago??? i forgot when i had that hq rewatch LOL

husband kita all the way. sweet charming supportive, your pillar through thick and thin. sure adjusting to a farmers life can be tough when im used to the big city but we can make do, its alright. do i need to say more? i dont think so.

best friend oikawa. we have interests in common and our energies match. just starting drama and constantly confusing poor iwa. i def spilled embarrassing things he did to ppl he's tryng to flirt and he def stole my clothes and eyeliner. even worse menaces if weve known each other since hs. i occasionally team up w the rest of seijoh4 to mess with oikawa but at the end of the day hes the apple of my eye my (rich and charming) bestie. we 100% had a roadtrip to watch the sky and cried to How To Leave Town at one point

one night stand atsumu. it was a drunk accident. the sex was either good or a fucking mess, if its the former, id most likely not admit a single soul that it was good. i flee or pretend to not have noticed him whenever we are in the same space. he might be charming but id see him as embarrassing to around and probably had this whole public image of disliking boys like /him/. and in the next sentence i def called osamu hot. yes theyre identical twins, yes osamu is hot, what are you giving me that look for suna!–

lets play “husband, one night stand, best friend” send me people to my ask box <3

[comicteaparty]

August 24th, 2017 CTP Archive

The archive for the Comic Tea Party chat that occurred on August 24th, 2017, from 5PM - 7PM PDT.  The chat focused on Tangled River by snowshadow.

Featured Comment:

Chat:

RebelVampire

Good day everyone~! This week’s Comic Tea Party is now officially beginning. Today we are discussing Tangled River by snowshadow~! (https://tapas.io/series/Tangled-River) For those new to CTP, discussions about the comic are freeform, so please feel free to bring up whatever you wish. However, every 30 minutes I will be dropping in a discussion question to help those who would like a prompt. These questions are totally OPTIONAL to answer so pay them no mind if you wish~! Remember, constructive criticism is allowed, but the primary focus here is to have fun and appreciate the amazing comics that the community makes~! Each chat a top comment will be picked and featured on an ad for this chat, so let’s have a great discussion~!

With that said, let us begin with this first question~!

QUESTION 1. What is your favorite scene in the comic so far and why?

mathtans

I'm going to go with the scene just before Tanya walked into the council chamber. Basically telling her friends to vamoose, and the guy was like "yup, don't tell me twice" and Licorice gave attitude but left... felt very true to character, and like a turning point, and I think I was right about that.

RebelVampire

i found it really funny how licorice gave her attitude. until tanya told her what she was going to do and then was like nvm you are crazy bye

although man i feel like there is some really intense generational divide. which makes sense for the situation. but at the same time im really curious why they felt it was so dire they keep it to themselves that terra nova crashed

mathtans

Yeah... I feel a little awkward about that, actually. Because I'm older, and a teacher to boot, I have this tendency to shake my head a lot at the beta kids, because of some of the things they do. I am not necessarily the audience for this comic.

I feel like there may be a bunch of reasons, anything from it meaning they're not getting help, it's orbit has been decaying because it was affected by the rest of the tech stuff, to the exact opposite. It might be working and change the balance of power everywhere. Not something you'd normally tell people.

I guess what I'm saying is, I find myself on the side of the "interfering" adults a lot of the time.

RebelVampire

thats fair. i mean i dont disagree with them. albeit i tend to try and see both sides. cause i mean for sure the betas are kids and dumb. but such is the nature of kids. but i can understand their frustration. especially licorice cause i totally agree that in their situation its way more practical to learn survival skills than it is to learn history and such. not to denounce the importance of history. just being able to study history seems more like a luxury. but regardless i do think the comic means for you to see the adult side too and not just empathize with the kids.

mathtans

Yeah, I do have to give massive, MASSIVE props to the author for the realism there. They definitely feel like real kids with real, believable issues. Just, geez, the way they deal with authority... but that's my personal issue. It's good that you can approach it from both sides.

(But, y'know Tanya, if you HAD listened in geography class, like you yourself said... okay, okay...)

RebelVampire

haha tanya is admittedly kind of dumb. but im gonna give her some slack if only because her upbringing clearly was lacking. like part of me wtfs the adults' ability to parent because theyre like "ah yeah this woman here is depressed and looks barely capable of caring for her child. i could do something but nah, she can raise tanya probably."(edited)

mathtans

Licorice is actually a peculiar character. I took something of a disliking to her from the start. Just with the way she seemed to be "out for herself" more than caring about her friends. I've sort of warmed up, but I think it's a bit at the expense of Tanya, because of how she actually isn't as observant as she wants to think.

Yeah, Tanya needs slack because of the mom depression issue. I wonder if she's not prone to the same sort of symptoms down the road, or maybe there's already hints.

When you're basically taking care of your parent for years, you probably do think you can just trek out into the wilderness. Couple that with the fact that you want to STAY with the parent you've been caring for, and I can see why Tanya pulled the stunt she did with the medication. Still kind of a low blow though. I'm glad she told in the end.

RebelVampire

haha another moment where i questioned the parenting. like i know the alpha made her a promise, but this is one of those moments where if he broke the promise i dont think too many ppl would consider it bad parenting at least. cause tanya is clearly the most useless member on the team and putting everyone at risk, just like they thought she would. but at the end her motivations and actions do all make sense

also

i definitely do have mixed feelings about licorice. cause she is very selfish and tbh i think shes an awful friend. since she only ever seems to get tanya into trouble or gets mad at her for reasons even im still like "what why would you be mad about that child?"

mathtans

Oh, whew, not only me then. I wouldn't say she only ever gets Tanya in trouble (she did help kill that animal thing, and there's times when Tanya gets herself in trouble by bringing up the wrong thing in the first place) but we don't see her really caring on those times when Tanya's trying to do the right thing (like not steal the key, or is worried about where she went).

Licorice seems a good friend to Kobei. Less to Tanya, and yet Tanya's the one worried about their relationship. Like, if you have to worry that much, I'm sorry dear, maybe you need to find a new bestie.

RebelVampire

definitely a new bestie

QUESTION 2. Tanya’s life changes drastically after she witnesses Terra Nova crash to the planet. Having blackmailed her way onto the expedition, she and several Alphas travel out into the wild to find Terra Nova and salvage what they can. Do you think they will manage to find Terra Nova eventually, or will they retreat back to safety? If they do find Terra Nova, what do you think they will find, and how will it affect Tanya and everyone else?

mathtans

I wouldn't mind seeing more Licorice/Kobei, actually. Because obviously Licorice has good qualities, Kobei seems pretty on the ball about stuff.

RebelVampire

yeah i agree. itd be nice to see their relationships delved into more. albeit i also just like kobei in general cause kobei is pretty capable and also decently nice since he had more patience for tanya

mathtans

I don't see them retreating back to town. I might see them getting shanghai-ed back somehow, or Tanya somehow having to turn back, but they seem pretty committed. I have no idea what they'll find there though, I think more information has to come out first, like from her mom's fevered dreams.

Assuming they all survived that assult in recent pages. Wow, that went south quickly.

Kobei's an interesting window into life on the planet before humans arrived. Actually, related, I wonder how much of a language the author created. When Licorice and Kobei talk to each other, we don't really get to understand them, but I'm thinking there's gotta be a dictionary Snowshadow created.

RebelVampire

im certain theres at least a dictionary of commons phrases just to keep everything straight. idk tho. i mean i can definitely see leeway to take liberties.

in regards to the terra nova i dont think theyll retreat, albeit at this point it may be hard for them to even find their way back. although if those alphas did survive that assault maybe they go back while tanya and them go forward.

mathtans

They've still got maps. That should be helpful.

RebelVampire

part of me wants them to find nothing of substance just cause i cant imagine anything abandoned that long is in good shape and crashing into a planet is also not good

mathtans

Btw, I'm not sure you really answered Q1

I feel like there will be losses on this journey. I kind of want there to be something, even if it's just confirmation of some theory they had, to make those losses worthwhile.

Hopefully not more skeletons. That was kinda creepy.

RebelVampire

im gonna hope tanya finds like one book. maybe a cook book. a cook book sounds useful in their situation

and no i didnt answer Q1 O_O youve seen through my schemes

mathtans

Oh! Hey, excellent call, I'd forgotten about the rarity of books. As long as they're not all technical manuals, that could be really useful.

I am very clever about schemes.

RebelVampire

as for Q1...hmmm....i think my fave scene is actually when tanya witnesses the terra nova crash cause i feel like the imagery really kind of expressed how itd feel to suddenly see some giant flaming thing burning up in the atmosphere. cause i felt there was this sense of wonder about it since its kind of juxtaposed to the natural nature

mathtans

Actually, thinking of books made me think of history, and it's real interesting how the comic has this "history repeating itself" vibe, in terms of "trying to help them" [the natives], and it backfiring drastically, because maybe learn about what's going on rather than subjugating. I don't feel like that's "in your face" either, it just kind of works.

That's cool. It was also kind of "her thing", only she saw it.

(Refering to your answer in that last sentence btw)

Related to the history was in how there's that division in the adults between telling their children everything, and having them just learn how to deal with the aftermath as being the important thing.

Lot of thought put into this. Uncomfortable questions.

RebelVampire

yeah. i really liked the thing with the natives. cause i dont think it was portraying it entirely bad since to a degree there werent bad intentions. cause i mean trying to give ppl schools and such isnt inherently awful. but on the otherhand the alpahs definitely seem to have this sense of superiority in regards how they view the natives. like the comic definitely seems to know its a complicated topic

i really wonder if what set the natives off was the technology failing tho. cause the alphas are so reluctant to tell the truth, maybe something else happened

mathtans

Yeah... definitey makes one wonder a bit about the event that messed up all the technology, really kind of putting them on level footing. Licorice's remark about "giving them things that became useless" rang true. Was it a cyclical thing? Is that why they never have advanced to that state, they never get the chance?

I remember Kobei saying something about a thing happening every three generations.

Of course, it could also be something from their ship in orbit that accidentally misfired. shrugs

RebelVampire

yeah and for the natives its hard to say. cause theyre pretty spread out. like kobei's tribe did not look that big at all. and if you have the majority of your labor force working on other practical things like hunting and gathering then you dont really have the labor force to advance tech along.

in retrospect im concerned that in general they were okay with semi colonizing an occupied planet

the alphas i mean

cause they even built that huge roadway

as if it was no big deal to disturb the native population

mathtans

Right, and there seem to be a bunch of them - and everyone seems to have spots, including the animals. (Which must be significant, it was pointed out at some point even, but darned if I can figure that out.) Yeah, you probably don't really have a need for roads either... you're right about the alphas there.

Maybe they didn't have a choice. It was 40 years on a ship, maybe it was this or nothing.

RebelVampire

i wonder what their initial goal was? were they studying the planet?

mathtans

Which is not a very good reason for doing what they did in the way they did it, but.... hm. I kind of doubt that? I mean, it's true everyone on the ship seemed to be a scientist, but why introduce technology to a group you're trying to study? Wouldn't that mess up results?

mathtans

Oh, quick shout out to the start of Book 2. That was a really clever way of reaffirming the characters, looking at them in terms of who a hero might be.

RebelVampire

QUESTION 3. One of the biggest mysteries in the story is what caused all the technology to suddenly cease functioning. Despite the numerous scientists around, there are only really theories. What do you think caused the technology to fail? Was it natural phenomenon, divine intervention, direct sabotage, or something else?

mathtans

My inclination there is to say it was natural, but induced by the fact that the humans showed up (like a catalyst)

RebelVampire

oh yeah i really liked that moment where she was determining the hero and the villain. it was too true to life about how everyone is the villain or hero of someone's story. and i feel it was a bit meta too for the comic cause even tho tanya is the protagonist, i would not label her the hero persay. which is something i like about this comic. the ppl just are. some are jerks, some are nice. but theyre just ppl first and foremost.

wait gonna tie two questions together. what if what they were doing was studying the planet's magnetic field or something like that? and whatever their experiments did messed stuff up and took out the planet's powergrid?

mathtans

I'm vaguely reminded of the DS9 episode where that one colonist person had put a piece of technology in the woods to prevent the use of all other technology, and Sisko and O'Brien got trapped in that society for a while. I don't think it's necessarily like that (one scientist somehow using tech to screw with all the tech), but I think tech could have caused some electromagnetic interference or... I'm not that smart with tech.

Yeah, something like that, that's good!

But, like, took it out because it spontaneously caused trees to grow over something important.

The foliage on this planet must be impressive, given how they said they had to keep clearing the roads, and how overgrown they've become in less than 20 years.

Also, looking back at your remark about Tanya the protagonist, you're right, she definitely has flaws - some she acknowledges, others she doesn't like being aware of her situation - but she does seem like a good vehicle for the story. (Even though we havent' really seen evidence of the pilot being a real jerk.) Though, at the same time, I guess we know Tanya survives, if this is sort of being described in retrospect? Or is it?

RebelVampire

its definitely written in past tense. its just hard to say from which point. like is it after everything is done and she's safe at home with blef and a coffee. or is she writing soon after things happened? like each night adds a bit to the story but its in past tense cause it already happened. so i still feel tense about tanya's fate cause its hard to gauge her position she's writing. maybe shes trapped on terra nova on a cliff and is dying and is like "welp here are my last thoughts"

mathtans

Oh, totally random aside - did Ep 16 (All That Useless Stuff) load for you on Tapas? It didn't for me, but I just went to the author's personal site.

RebelVampire

no it didnt load for me. i had to do the same to read the page.

mathtans

Yeah, that's a good point. She could be writing it at any point in the future. (I think Blef's gone though... actually, that was something that bothered me at the time, she just went and released him without talking to anybody. Like she knew best, even though I'm not sure she does.) Wow, that would be dark though.

Just a note for SnowShadow to check that page then. ^^

RebelVampire

the blef thing broke my heart. but its cause i also thought blef looks like a baby. hes probably gonna get eaten in like 20 seconds

mathtans

Would Blef still be accepted back into a community after having been with humans? Some animals wouldn't be (at least here on Earth).

You're so dark tonight! Or I'm just not as cynical as usual.

Related to narration, the caption boxes are usually placed well, I find. Any thoughts about the art or art style? I have some thoughts.

RebelVampire

my thoughts are that its well done but it also reminds me of like comics from the 60s and 70s. cause a lot of the not mainstream stuff had that style, particularly one shot romance comics. not that that its a bad thing that its like that. just very unique and atypical for whats popular in webcomics atm

mathtans

Okay (I don't know the historical context myself), but I do find it rather unique. Realistic, in some sense, in terms of portrayal of facial features and the like. Also, WOW, I know I'm very basic in terms of what I do, but I tend to avoid hands... sometimes I'll look at a panel and think, if I were doing that, I'd totally have avoided putting the hand on the heart or the face there, but this person went for it, and did it well. Kudos.

Sometimes I'll wonder about the choice of a pose, but I never really get the sense that there's "cheating" to hide things the artist doesn't want to draw.

Of course, as an amateur, what do I know.

There's also the detail in the forest and things that I'd have blurred out or outlined.

RebelVampire

yeah i agree theres definitely not the sense of trying to hide flaws. but to be honest with this sort of art style ive always found the flaws add more character. cause back to me thinking the comic reminds me of comics of the 60s and 70s, the thing i remember most about those comics is they were quirky and things just werent usually perfect. like most of the comics i read the people were really flawed, so the fact there were artistic mistakes kind of fit that message of nobody is perfect. so i get that same impressiong from tangled river. that the fact there are quirks in the art just suits the fact these are not perfect ppl.

you remind me that one thing i really appreciate about the comic is the background details

there are a lot of parts where im like "yeah most ppl wouldve given up on that amount of detail"

mathtans

Characters could appear more "quirky" at times, you mean, when there's flaws?

RebelVampire

yes. cause i definitely notice sometimes when the pose is a bit off for the anatomy XD but it comes off as more quirky than it does flaw

which is kind of the ideal place you wanna be imo

mathtans

Gotcha.

RebelVampire

QUESTION 4. Due to the stress of the situation and generational gap, kids like Tanya find themselves lacking in a lot of knowledge about their parents’ past. The parents seem reluctant to talk about Tanya’s father, their relationships with the natives of the planet, the years they spent on the ship, etc. Which item from the past would you be most interested in learning about? Do you have any theories about one of these past taboo subjects? Why do you think the Alphas are so reluctant to share?

mathtans

Tanya's father, yeah, that's a whole question itself almost. How does she compare to the others agewise again?

I remember there was that one scene where they was saying there were 23 of them, and she was wondering about a boyfriend. (Weird to me how that particular thread was kinda dropped... related, weird that the parents wouldn't let them be with the natives, when there's obviously a gender imbalance, unless they figure some of the kids are LGBT.)

I wonder if the whole "Protocol 9" or whatever it was called (I'm bad with names) came about due to something related to Tanya's dad.

RebelVampire

oh i never considered that. that the one protocol that got licorice all pissy had something to do with tanya's dad.

honestly dont know the age relations tho. im kind of vague on their ages in general

outside of "not adults"

mathtans

I just randomly thought of it now while wondering about him.

RebelVampire

albeit we know tanya is the oldest of all the betas

mathtans

Yeah. It's not that integral to the story. She is the oldest though? Okay, I thought so, but wasn't sure if I misremembered.

If so, she could be the reason some of the protocols went into place.

And why some of the Alphas are reluctant to talk. They don't want to stigmatize.

(Totally random theories!)

Of course, the Alphas might also not want to share because, if the kids knew, they wouldn't be able to respect the older generation any more. Which would probably be an issue, and not just for the Alphas, presuming the kids decided to reject even the sensible advice.

RebelVampire

part of me wonders if the alphas really are kind of holding out for a ship. so they dont want to become too ingrained to life on the planet subconsciously. although id assume they dont want them getting with the natives cause they arent sure whats going on genetically. cause sure tanya seems super fine and healthy. but maybe she can catch a sickness humans cant or something. and so they dont want to chance it because they cant run tests. or maybe they feel tanya's birth is somehow to blame for her mother's condition. theres just a lot of unknown factors so i could see why theyd be not apt for it

speaking of which it occurs to me that tanya doesnt have spots

mathtans

They're definitely holding out for something (otherwise why keep all the useless appliances rather than trade with the nomads), but I have my doubts about a ship, particularly after that speech about how Earth would have had to start constructing a new ship shortly after they left. (Incidentally, there's clever little exposition drops like that when I least expect them.)

Yeah. Noticed that. Maybe the issue of breeding with the natives is that the result of the union doesn't carry a lot of the native genes. They don't want the species to die out.

Particularly not after facilitating them dying out from giving them appliances that no longer work and a bunch of them possibly had forgotten how to hunt by then.

Actually, how long HAVE they been on this world? The Alphas were taking anti-aging pills or something. Could have been a hella long time, right? Maybe that's another reason for secrecy.

RebelVampire

yeah cause we know they were on the ship for 40 years. but not really how long theyve been on the planet itself. and i doubt a roadway like that was constucted overnight. so theyve probably been around a long time.

this makes me wonder how far they are from earth tho

wait....

mathtans

Maybe not overnight, but I suspect a lot faster than we'd be able to do it now.

Waiting.

(Actually, the road had all those towers and everything, electronically activated... had to be pre-fabricated or something, right?)

RebelVampire

so i always assumed the 40 years on the ship were while it was in orbit but some of those years or all of them might have been travel time. so im gonna say maybe theyve been on the planet for twenty-ish years cause they mentioned a ship would take another twenty to get to them?

yeah all the buildings would definitely be pre-fabricated to a degree

or maybe they just have super tech

i really wish i knew how their space travel worked. cause if they found FTL travel that changes the whole time scope about help coming.

mathtans

Gotcha. I guess I assumed the 40 years on the ship were all travel time! Followed by at least 30 years before the tech went poof, and another 15 or so after that. Weird how people assume things.

Honestly, the space travel and that isn't that interesting to me. I'm more interested in Tanya's personal connection, with her father and her apparent interest in drawing which I presume came from something when she was young.

To each our own, of course; I've already said that as a teacher, who shakes his head at some of the (very believable) teenagey actions, I may not be the target audience.

Now that they're in a new city, we'll probably get a better sense of what's become of the world in the time they've been away. That may help with timelines.

Actually, the skeletons - how long does it take for people to, uh, decompose, wow, things I didn't really want to ask, hum.

RebelVampire

i only care about the space travel in this case for wrapping my mind around the timeline. but to be fair the fact we dont know makes me feel a stronger connection to tanya and the betas. cause were kind of in their same position where we wanna know stuff but they dont wanna give up the goods and wanna be all secretive about it.

not that long

which is vague but i remember it was quick

cause i looked it up once

mathtans

That's a good point. Not being in the loop helps empathize with Tanya that way.

Oh, okay then.

Hmmm, any final thoughts? It's kind of nice that Earth has worked out some of its differences, what with there being different nationalities represented on this mission. And seems a universal translator was not an item that ever got invented.

The worldbuilding was well done in general.

RebelVampire

only a year and thats if the body is buried. in the open air it happens faster

thanks google

mathtans

Heh. I wonder if they ever had gravesites after landing.

RebelVampire

my final thoughts are that while i found the comic hard to get into, it was overall a really unique and good setup cause few sci-fi these days focus on nature stuff when it comes to space stuff

mathtans

I can agree to that.

RebelVampire

and maybe. youd have to get gravesites eventually O_O

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