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oh and because i havent mentioned it, Kikert and Kelkia are biological siblings.
they don’t know though so don’t tell them
(thems two)
#yeah a bit of lore from the drawing board#mun speaks#kikert#kelkia#these are just their refs so yall know who im talking about#im not super active so i dont expect yall to know my trolls... anymore....#once the ftc knew all my trolls#it was a different time#i had different mutuals#and also i used to be active thats the main one
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#yall ever have those people who like.#theyre nice and theyre okay right#but they say the most out of pocket shit#IM NOT SAYING THIS LIKE ‘’haha youre so funny’’ IN A BUDDY BUDDY FRIENDLY WAY IM TALKING LIKE#yknow you know this person. youre not really close with them but yall are nice to eachother. but its just the SHIT THEY SAY#literally i had walked into class and this one girl i sort of knew#we talked for a little bit#keep in mind i had only been in class for like. 5 minutes. and maybe had talked to her a few timed before hand#nothing really that deep#out of fucking nowhere she goes#‘’haha so what if mur der was legal’’ like just casually#what. the fuck do i even say to that#i mean this morning she did it again where she was like ‘’hehe so we’re talking about ripping eyeballs out’’ ALSO JUST CASUALLY#and i cant tell if im overthinking this or what but#who the fuck starts a conversation like that!!!!!#my brother in christ i do not know you well enough for shit like that!!!#WHO THE FUCK STARTS A CONVERSATION LIKE THAT I JUST SAT DOWN /REF#Anyways#kazzy caws
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lovely art you make please never stop!!!
WAAA TOO SWEET. thats it. MOREEEEEEE ART DUMP!!!!!!!! im not sure how many of these i posted but!! i think mostly it's all new!!!!!!!
I wonder if this'll become a thing for me. BAHAHAH
scrapped ref page i've made before ^^^^^ it was similar to nari's except it turns out the red's color jitter was too extreme.... the grren was AMAZING tho. Comments with the pieces btw!! and 30+ pics I think?! So expect a long ass post. :) this isn't even all the unposted art, just the stuff I thought was good enough to post!
First thing's first! How about a comic I never posted? I was kinda embarrassed by the writing of it, but this WAS just something to help Rue. (You might notice a lot of the art in this thread was sent to Rue and never posted. Sorry Rue. little of this is new for you. sone is tho. orzzzzz)
Woah? The lamb has feelings? The lamb has bad feelings about their past?? Who knew. Shocker. (also LMFAO AT NARI IN THIS HE REALLY SAID "oh ur crying? I'll give you a reason to cry")
something to kind of help storyboard out the animation i'm tryna work on. its not going well. turns out that shit is hard.
and some beyond the grove narinder. yall eat BTG nari UPPPPPP.
speaking of BTG? how about some panels of a future page? Chapter 1 still. feel free to laugh at how strangely i draw the draft. ti works for me!
back to normal nari. IN PANTS!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS isnt actually a drawing it's a real image taken of me and rue
i dont know if i posted this or not, actually. i am not a big fan of it, though.
i need to draw leshy and val more </3
idk if i posted kalladad either BAHAHAHAHA
also, i dont know if i posted THIS either. i dont SEE it but i could be wrong ?
now how about a couple of kissing booth scraps?
long with the scrapped comic where narinder kills and eats the face of the goat. </3 rip that thing (the goat LOVES fighting and LOVES someome who can beat thier ass almost as much)
and some heket bullying her brother (she wuvs him tho)
i dont know which acc i posted this to, actually. i drew this bc rick kept reposting halflife shit BAHAHAHH
oh and here's a vent piece or two i made with annona. they seem harmless enough to post i guess? i wish i made more content with them.
i jsut wanna chew them between my molars like a marshmallow.
this si also sometihng i made for rue BAHAHAHAHAH HAVE I POSTED IT? IDK.
and of course, the least toxic totally-not-abusive-as-fuck pairing of lamb and the red crown. this isnt exclusively BTG related but I dont know how much interest people would have with him being a character on FOTL? he is 1000% having his own role as his own charavter in BTG though.
oh, and this guy i wanted to post forever ago, but i needed time to adjust to his design. this is the best i have made of him and it might be what sticks. he's leshy's uncle. (took worm baby in after both his siblings went missing)
more nari, because he's my most popular scrumplie. probably bc i draw him the most and a lot of my stuff is nari centric. nude nari because i literally couldn't think up what i wanted to draw on him. i was gonna edit clothes on later and forgor BAHAHAHA
i actually dont know if i posted this too? this is tyar and baal <3 baal was pretty shocked to have learned vitas was tyar's spouse. he's still not ready to talk about it, but he does want to ask the lamb about it one day.
and some childhood memories i never finished.
i MIGHT have posted this one ?
i posted pieces of this page but here's the full:
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IM FINALLY MAKING OC LORE POST YALL BETTER HYPE ME UP. Starting with explaining the premise of the main antagonist in my story, Pandemonium. Once you know his whole thing My others characters will make much more sense. heres an ref of him for newcomers
Anyways into the lore mines.
Trickster God of Mischief, Deception, and Illusions. It oversees all mortal affairs concerning these domains. Pandemonium was created for the purpose of spreading entertainment and surprise to mortals. However, he quickly grew bored of this task and sought to create entertainment only for himself, rather than for the mortals he was created for.
He began to make deals with mortals, or as he calls them, “Stories.” He would prey on mortals in vulnerable situations, promising them solutions. But the deals were always rigged. Through illusions and lies, he set them up in ways where the deal maker was bound to fail.
He called these deals stories, because of the effort he put into each one. He was creating storylines. Pandemoniums goal isn’t how many people he can trick, but how grand he could do it. In some situations it even lead to him creating Entire Illusioned worlds for the deal maker to be tricked in. (This will be a bit clearer once i explain the premise of some of the deals hes already made..)
When a deal is broken or failed, Pandemonium turns them into his puppets. (puppets are always dressed in clown/jester attire, no matter the previous aesthetic. mortals are his court jesters lmfao)
how his puppets curse works:
He stores their souls in mind prisons, the mind prisons reflect the person and their traumas. There is a “window” to the eyes in all of them, so the puppeted person can still see through their own eyes. (If you try to close your eyes in the mind prison to look away, you start seeing out of your Actual Eyes. There is No Escape.) Puppets are still capable of feeling pain inflicted to their bodies. Pandemonium thrives off pain, and torments his puppets to no end. What are they gonna do it about it. Say something? The puppets can still talk to an extent, but he filters out and silences anything he Doesn’t Want to hear, so a lot of mortals just give up on trying. They are just toys to him now. And toys can always be put back together no matter how many times you break them.
other random stuff:
Pandemonium has a storage room for all his puppets when he’s not playing with them. Its a long, infinite (aka you could just keep going Up or Down forever.) cylinder shaped room. Along the walls are stairs that twist and turn and quite frankly Don’t Make Sense. In the hollow center of this room, cabinet’s float. There is a cabinet for each puppet, and they r personalized to the mortal. Some of the puppets who have been long forgotten have probably been floating around in this room for years. Yayyy.
I have a small drawing but erm its a bit old and i never finished it. all those boxes r suppose to be cabinets lmfao
erm i tried to compress this as much as possible so there are details left out but. i think this is a pretty good summary.. if u have any questions/something is confusing. Bink bink.
#ok ok thats all for now.#next i explain chesil and sols deals.#chesils is my favorite but also sols chroniclogically happens first.. DESCIONS…#THIS CAT IS A FUCKING MENACE#furry oc#clown oc#jester oc#furry art#clown art#oc lore#muppysocs#jester art#oc:pandemonium
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Can you rate all TSAMS characters?
oh dear lord- i can certainly try tho i get the feeling i'll forget some lol
in order of favorite to least favorite
sun - 10/10 - hes perfect, nothing can change my mind. hes heavily traumatized and incredibly anxious. hes the perfect specimen for whump AND hurt/comfort. im also just Heavily biased
ruin - 9/10 - yall cant fight me on this hes one of my favorites. hes a tragic, morally gray villain that did what he thought he had to. hes a sad pathetic wet cat of a man who i bet all my money on (a whopping 500 bucks) that he doesnt even know who he is as a person
eclipse - 9/10 - him being below ruin on the list means nothing bc theyre equal in my heart. again, tragic wet cat of a man whos too damn tired to deal with this shit any more. i also relate to him in ways that probably arent healthy <3
solar flare - 8/10 - BRING MY BOY BACK HE DID NOTHING ‼️
dazzle - 8/10 - sweet baby girl she can do no wrong
jack - 7/10 - he can do many things wrong but nothing could make me hate him forever <3
molten - 7/10 - he baby. he sweet. he dont know the world and thats okay. maybe i just like it when murder machines turn into pacifists and just want to have fun.
dark sun - 7/10 - he fascinates me. i want to put him in a lil test tube and study him under a microscope. i need to ask so many questions, most of them being some form of "what is wrong with you"
computer/spaniard - 7/10 - we dont talk about the previous 2 computers we dont care about them (i dont hate them im just biased <3) i only care about SPANIARD. i miss my boy why did they have to kill him he couldve been so good. sun needs his husband back/silly
old moon - 6/10 - he is... certainly a specimen. i keep bouncing between "i hate him i want to rip his head off" and "im wrapping him in a blanket so tight he cant breathe". before he died he was an absolute prick and the fandom ruined him for me bc everyone fell for his manipulation and blamed sun for shit moon did and bc i was so biased towards sun it was difficult for me to not hate him. after he came back hes more fun (and tolerable) due to him actually improving but i wish he had more set-backs bc like. to him he'd been dead for like. a week. he should be struggling more <3
earth - 6/10 - cant quite pinpoint it but i Do feel like she could be done better as a character. she... doesnt really change that much? idk how to describe it. maybe i just find her boring lol
solar - 6/10 - yes i am putting him this far down on the list bc i feel like he couldve been done SO much better. he has so little flavor it hurts. what are his struggles? what is his goal? what does he even do outside of sun n moon?? and dont even get me STARTED on how little his past is brought up in a meaningful manner, let alone be something that effects him. you could say "oh hes gotten better" yeah but we saw none of it so like?? fbkdsgnjkds i'll need to rant about his character another day smh my head
killcode - 6/10 - it was fun while it lasted or something like that. he was interesting and i Do wish they had just.. left him alive? not bc he would be "useful" or wutever but just bc like. wut if he wants to come back randomly? like he wouldve just been a fun side character
nexus/new moon - 5/10 - listen. i dont wanna put him down here. but his current arc fucked him over. he was so fun and whimsical before! he was just a silly lil guy trying to navigate the world around him and desperately trying to fill a role he couldve never filled. his current arc couldve been SO much better. but its not as emotionally charged as it could be. like. they just completely threw away his original motive! and now he doesnt care?? not even the slightest??? booooo tomato tomato tomato throwing tomatoes/ref
lunar - 5/10 - again, you can fight me, but current lunar just isnt it for me. lunar before he died? hell yeah. he was such a lil shit that only cared about stuff if it benefited him. he didnt care that he was hurting moon with his movements, he just switched sides bc moon actually paid attention to him. him and bm couldve been SUCH a good duo too OTL
bloodmoon - 5/10 - honestly i liked v1 bm more than v2. idk man. something about their energy was so different and it lured me in. v2 kinda just felt.. boring. no critiques on his character, just not for me *shrug*
gemini - 5/10 - i dunno. just boring to me
monty - 4/10 - yet another moment of "no direct hate on the character just uninteresting to me" with monty. theyre just. boring. also another moment of "i liked them before [insert event]" with the event being before earth.
the creator - 4/10 - just. meh? he could be better as a villain but hes like. been here for so long that i wonder if he really does much of anything? idk man. im losing steam atp dnf,jsdgndkj
this might be all of them..? i dunno. probably missed a bunch (and yes im aware i shoved in some laes characters shush). im gonna leave out eaps characters so this doesnt get longer and so i dont go on a hate rant about puppet/j
#birdcage rambles#answering asks#i have many opinions on many things and im a chronic yapper (in my fucking psyche eval they called me a yapper but in a professional way)#(i was ''forthcoming in sharing information'' and would ''become circumstantial at times'')#so ask away lol#sun and moon show#sams#the sun and moon show#tsams#here come the tags kgjsdgndskgj#tsams sun#tsams ruin#eaps eclipse#tsams solarflare#laes dazzle#laes jack#laes molten#tsams dark sun#tsams spaniard#tsams old moon#laes earth#tsams solar#tsams killcode#tsams nexus#laes lunar#tsams bloodmoon#laes gemini#tsams monty#tsams creator#i had to cull the herd (tags) bc id reached 30 dear lord
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*GRABS YOU BY THE FACE*
ASH-
RAMBLE ABOUT YOUR BILLY KID SELF SHIP THIS INSTANT
(i may not know who this billy kid character is but anything to support a friend :3) also bc i wanna fangirl over them bc THEY JUST LOOK SOOO ADORABLEEE💖💖💖
EVE IM IN PUBLIC AND YOUR GONNA MAKE ME GIGGLE STOP IT! Anyway, I’m just gonna give yall some fun facts since I know that if i don’t I won’t be able to hold back and I won’t be able to stop rambling about them lol
-their ship name was actually gonna be GameKnight (since my sona works at an arcade and billy is obsessed with a show called starlight knights.) because i think for dates they would have game NIGHTS…get it?
-My sona owns an apartment so I’m pretty sure that when they get more serious Billy would move in since I’m like- 99% sure he’s living with one of his friends currently (Nicole I’m pretty sure)
-Eve, I know you. So I know you’ll understand when I say that these two are practically just Leo and Tomiko
-so- ya know the Starlight Knights? That show Billy loves? I like to think Ash only watched clips of it before meeting him for the animation. So when they get together and watch it together, they both focus on parts of the show they usually wouldn’t. Ash finally focuses on the story and characters instead of just the animation, and Billy finally realizes how much story telling is shown visually through the art and animation
-Since Billy is a robot he doesn’t get sick, so whenever Ash does he thinks she’s dying or something
-Ever since they met at the arcade ash works at Billy comes by way more often. Saying that he was earning and saving up his tickets for a prize when in reality he isn’t even playing any games, just talking to Ash
-Ash would make him fanart of Starlight Knights, as well as draw his sona lol
-they would wear couple costumes for Halloween, either something cute like starlight night characters or something stupid like Sans and the queen of England
-Billy would have pet names for her like ‘Starlight (starlight knights ref) princess, Ashyyyyyyyyy (he always draws out the Y too) beautiful or handsome’
-Ash would have pet names for him like ‘my knight (starlight knights ref) pretty boy, handsome’
-They both have mutual ones too like ‘Pookie, babe, baby, baby girl, boo boo bear, Shnookums’ they have cheesy ones to annoy each other and to gross people out in public
-Ash would send Billy these pics randomly
-Whenever Billy would feel sad that he doesn’t have a mouth so he can’t kiss her, Ash would just say that “since you don’t have lips, that doesn’t limit me to where I have to kiss you” if that makes sense lol? So she just peppers kisses everywhere on his face
-also speaking of him not having a mouth, Ash would draw mouths on sticky notes, either kissy 030 ones or cat :3 ones
-pictures that remind me of them
If you have any specific questions feel free to ask!!!
#Arrtsy answers#💚that Evelyn is suspiciously tiny🐈⬛#🕹��SpaceInvader💫#Billy kid#ash [zzz sona]#zzz#Zenless zone zero#self ship#oc x canon
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https://www.tumblr.com/thisismeracing/737177411791257600/httpswwwtumblrcomthisismeracing7364627668739?source=share
bono!reader head-canons (pt. 4) (glad yall like this insanity)
constantly falls asleep w/out taking her earrings out. whether it be when taking a nap or falling asleep while working in bed those earrings are staying in. so mick has taken up the mantle of taking them out and putting them back in her jewelry box
had those glow in the dark stick on stars on her childhood bedroom ceiling and maybe she still does in her grown up bedroom that she shares with mick
gets a cartilage piercing on the ear that doesn't have her piercings dedicated to working for merc. and the jewelry that she puts in it is a small “47” stud that she got custom made. her piercings represent her biggest achievements in life and her being able to let herself be loved and be in love took a lot of work to get to, so it absolutely gets acknowledged in what she considers to be an achievement
calls james allison “allie” because when she says james she means vowles, and when james a. came to merc in 2017 she needed a way to differentiate the james’.
has an orange cat [purely based of this tt: https://www.tiktok.com/@mildwestsami/video/7136290369683131690] im leaning towards either diesel or luna for the name, but i can be persuaded into considering other ones. those are just the two that seem the most fitting atm
carries her cat like a baby and buys mini furniture for said baby
i think it would be funny if this cat was a stray that was roaming around a gp and she decided to adopt them after checking if they had a microchip and owners
steals micks hoodies/sweaters and they have a bartering system where if she wants one of mick’s newly purchased article of clothing she has to give him one of his old ones back to secure the new one. great economically for her, not so much for this boy
pulls mick in by his belt loops when she wants him close to her
loves being close enough to her lover that she can feel and hear the rhythms of his breathes
having her head resting on top of her papa’s chest where his heart is, listening to the beats of his heart will, without fail, soothe her. it started when she was a smol babe but just because she’s a grown up now doesn’t mean that it wont work
her team headset is covered in small stickers around the merc logo
ok so the jewelry she has in her first cartilage piercing she got for being hired at merc is this [https://www.etsy.com/listing/729980335/arrow-earringscartilage-earring-16g?click_key=198d47f7f1895e88c7eef3638427353c6eef89af%3A729980335&click_sum=65e3a9a5&ref=user_profile&pro=1&frs=1]
has a guest room just for her in certain team members houses [lew, the wolffs, james v,]
i could also see drivers having a room for her (seb, kimi, jense, nando)
constantly tries to persuade (poach) hannah schmitz from working at rb to merc
i could see her meshing well with oscar
her first australian gp she got gifted a small koala plush from one of the drivers (im leaning towards michael) and for the years following it’s been a tradition for all of the drivers who wanted to participate to nominate and vote who would get her a new plush to add to the collection. the only rules being it has to be a koala and it cant be one she has already gotten in years past. best believe there have been fights for the privilege of being the koala giver
[and with that i will end this segment of head-canons, yes i breached the second google doc page again i dont want to talk about it]
happy new year and i can't wait for the 2024 season to start so i will grace the inbox with more bon
(also yes i know this isnt in the usual bulleted list format that i usually do for these hcs but i dont have the patience to re-format this ask on my phone cause tumblr decided to delete my bullet points)
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omg yes to everything sagksjgksdjg I won't even add, just appreciate this whole ass headcanon <3
tiktok link (it says unavailable for me :/)
i think it would be funny if this cat was a stray that was roaming around a gp and she decided to adopt them after checking if they had a microchip and owners // like corinna did w a dog during the Brazilian gp *crying into my hands*
piercing link
*virtual hug* its perfect
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ITS OUT EVERYONE THIS IS NOT A DRILL
song spoilers ahead btw!!!!!
i was sitting there picking every reference out and then got thrown off guard by matpats majestic vocals
like let me pick out the specific bite of 83 sound and the many references in the song before being jumpscared by "HELLO HELLOOOO—"
anyways here's my rating:
overall banger song, love the insane amount of references in the song and cg5 just always drops bangers so
but i know yall just want me to rate matpats part and shut up so here it is:
- matpat saying "hello hello" was definetly a ref to fnaftm, and i love you for that cg5
- everyone talked about "lose control" but "good luck" has me ascending
- "got no theory and i got no doubt" i see what you did there
- the autotune does throw me off a bit since im used to raw matt vocals, but both black gryph0n and cg5 use auto tuned effects in their songs so it fits, and he still eats
- even tho it does fit having matt sing his one verse twice since he's more of a cameo singer in this (hinting to ness from the fnaf movie) kinda wished he had more lyrics
- HIGH VOCALS MATPAT LETS GOOOOOO
overall w song
(I NEED MORE SINGING MATT FEED ME MORE SINGING MATT)
and to those of you who follow my editing tiktok i WILL be dropping a madpat edit with this song trust
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Could I request Eddie Kington and the reader as mixed matched a team?
Eddie Kingston as a tag team partner (Eddie Kingston x Fem!Reader):
Genre: Crack
Summary: How I would imagine Eddie as your tag team partner
Word Count: 700
Supreme Speaks: OKAY IK IM LATE BUT BETTER THAN NEVER. thank you to @hookerforhook for being so patient and lovely (please lemme write more for you). I hope you and everyone else enjoys. ALSO, i hope everyone is doing well and remember you are loved and appreciated.
Warnings: slightly proofread, an obscene amount of yall (sorry I'm just country and hood)
Taglist (if you wanna be a part of it, lemme know): @hookerforhook @triscillal @wwenhlimagines @sheinthatfandom @hooks-martin
You know that older brother who loves you but will bully you at every given chance?
Yep, that’s Eddie
He’ll protect you from your opponents, will drop a ref for you, will chew everyone and their mommas out
But is quick to spear you and give you a noogie
I feel like the way ya’lls team came to be wasn’t because he was soughing after a tag team partner (cause he’s Eddie Kingston and he’ll kick anyone's ass)
But it came to be when you helped even the odds with JAS and you actually didn’t mind fighting the dudes
At that moment, Eddie knew you were his partner
“Why Me?”
“Because you literally just kicked everyone’s ass…besides you’re the only other person in the back I like…besides Mox and Lulu of course.”
That’s right; out of all the enemies and allies he had in the back, he considered you an ally
HOWEVER, I still think he wouldn’t open up to you immediately but would gradually become more comfortable with you
At first, he would only talk to you for match purposes
And then he started hanging out with you a little bit before the show
And then he would text you “you good?” If he hasn’t heard from you (if you respond, he’ll say “great, btw fuck you”
Everything would change when he needed a place to crash cause all the hotel rooms were taken and you allowed him to crash with you
Although he left before you could wake up, he left you a note stating how he’s blessed that he has you as a friend
Now ya’ll at the point where ya’ll are inseparable
Where ever you go, he goes, and vice versa
Ya’ll in each other favorite contacts
Eddie would act like he genuinely doesn’t like you (in the eyes of others) but everyone knows he adores you
You two know each other like the back of your hands
Will tag you on Twitter posts that remind him of you, ya’lls friendship, or just things you need to see
Would say “EW” or “Gross” at you (if you're just walking by) or if you mess up in the ring he’ll laugh and say “you suck”
But heaven forbid someone else said that about you
Everyone can see how much you mean to him
Anyways you would do the same to and for him
You made it your goal to annoy the living shit out of him (and to make him scream and shake his fist at the sky)
But you were quick to shake someone if they irritate him
You played little pranks on him, stole his shirts (and threatened to burn them), made him cut promos on random items
“Now pretend he just lit your family on fire”
“Y/N, this is a toilet brush”
Now in the ring, your and Eddie’s styles complement each other
And you often came together to do tag team moves (especially the ones that Eddie learned from watching old Japanese tapes)
But if you were ready to get out the weapons, he was right behind you (either getting more weapons or just watching)
Essentially, you had crazy ideas and he just supported you in any way he could
Would not wear matching ring gear colors, but will match t-shirts with you (if you have tag team merchandise)
If not, ya’ll would wear each other’s designs
You two could pick up on the other’s next move without talking (you could expect/predict what he was gonna do and how you follow up or help)
Not gonna lie…Eddie would tag you in the match on the head/in the face
I can just see him lightly slap your head to signify a tag
If ya’ll won, then ya’ll were celebrating by doing chest bumps and getting food after the show
If ya’ll lost, Eddie would just berate everyone in sight (except for you)
Despite what he says, he would never talk down to you or degrade you (you’re his soft spot)
Would introduce you to Mox and form a trio if the situation called for it
Overall…Being Eddie Kingston’s tag team partner would be a rollercoaster, but one that would become your favorite rollercoaster
#aew#all elite wrestling#aew imagine#eddie kingston#eddie kingston x reader#eddie kingston imagine#eddie kingston meme
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hi! for the past month i’ve been seeing people say BEN is a child and i think that part of it is linked to the fact that they think of Benjamin Lawman being BEN? but it’s so annoying to read these type of stuff because i understand not everyone read the whole arg story but stop spreading things that aren’t true </3 it’s such an interesting story too! another note do you prefer BEN’s canon or fanon design? :3 i love both but his canon design is so nostalgic i can’t let it go at all omg!! i’ve also been wondering, do you think Ben’s avatar was the statue? i was thinking about what if BEN took over it early on, before Benjamin did making BEN inhabiting it since the start?
Sorry this was such a ramble i practically make no sense omg but i need to talk about my man and nobody Gets It </3
"I need to talk about my man and nobody Gets It" LITERALLY SAME OMG
Ok this is going under a cut becus . . . Its ben and BEN and if u didnt know i am Obnoxious about these two. Im gonna try to keep it organized a bit, so ill talk about the canon stuff first and then ill talk my personal headcanons and my fic so le's go!
In terms of the age and child thing, yeah i 100% believe you are correct. Ive been p open on my stance with the whole "is ben a child?" thing, and i think a lot of the heat with it comes down to current fandom purity culture and the pro/anti thing. So, lemme try to like. Boil down a complicated situation into smth easy to read. ahem
Ben Lawman and BEN are completely different entities guys, and for those that do not know the arg story, the Ben you know is not human nor a child.
You know BEN, BEN is the one in the story who terrorizes jadusable and spreads himself on the internet as a virus. That BEN is a program, a mess of code, an AI, however you want to interpret it. Personally i interpret it as a series of protocols running in a machine, like a self learning AI, but ive seen lots of cool interpretations of BEN. So . . . What does BEN specifically? Its an anagram for the Behavioral Event Network. If you dont wanna call it BEN cuz it gets confusing with actual kid Ben, do what i do. I call mine Evie :) ive seen some call it Netty, my bf calls his two izzi and clever (@benilos btw hes also got crazy ben stuff). Just go ham! Have fun! Remember when fandoms were about having fun and not accusing each other of pedo shit and call each other horrible things for just writing black-to-grey characters and stories??
Anyways ive gone off in enough peoples tags like this, for those that dont know the canon dont be spouting the age discourse. You look stupid as hell. And for those that are gonna spout it, please dont cherry pick through the canon. Use both characters, use the other moon children, actually please do because I want more rosa content so bad, im down so bad :'(
Or just. Heres a thought. If someone has him as an adult or writes him in adult situations, maybe dont assume that they interpret him as a kid and call the writer a pedo? (Literally has happened to me, yall are fucking weird)
Plug for the jadusable wiki with all the canon lore:
https://jadusable.withinhubris.com/main_page
Okay now my stuff 🥰
Yes i use more of the canon design and heavily use the canon story, i participated in arc 3 of the arg and it left deep grooves in my brain, i can never go back to fanon Ben. I say, as i put a more fanon appearance on my Ben 🤭
My Evie is full canon design, green hair, red eyes, creepy ass grin. I actually based it very heavily on my desktop wallpaper, which we actually figured out was a picture of @hauntedtotem (also amazing ben artist plz check them out) that they edited and posted. Sorry friend, it looked way too cool, ig youre in my fic canon now 🙇
And my Ben Lawman bleaches his hair and goes from the canon Ben to fanon Ben because of it. Hes got the pale pretty green eyes and glasses and hes a total nerd and i smooch him on the daily so he knows hes loved ♡
These is the ref pic i made for the two of them. So yeah! Kinda both!
As for bens situation in the actual arg, yes i do think he was in the elegy statue, we actually do see him for the first time in the arg buried in the games code and trapped in that statue. I do think he was in there from the beginning, i personally think BEN was not limited to the models it could inhabit. Personally i would place it as skull kid and hms, but it also feels disingenuous to me to say it was in one model the whole first arc.
The arg events do happen in my canon, before my fic (like right before, it picks up after the arg left off technically), but the events are skewed a bit because i had a hard time deciphering what happened and i wanted my fic timeline to fit more with the characters i had made. Cuz my evie isnt as chaotic evil as canon BEN, its very logical and has a path of logic and reason you can follow for every action it does. It was also originally meant to be very pleasant and corteous and beneficial to the people it housed so, yes its pretty different from canon.
Ill do a quick run through of the arg events in my personal headcanon and fic here.
Kelbris starts coding BEN (Evie) for the Eternity Project. Initially, Evie was meant to be an afterlife director. People that died would be digitized into code that would be moved into Evie's servers, where it would keep them happy and occupied as the Behavioral Event Network (notice and log behavior, create events for residents). Like a community organizer kind of, think the Good Place.
While Evie is in development, Ben Rosa and Matt are friends and have yet to join the cult. Rosa and Matt are siblings, and Ben is the kid who lives catty corner on the street. They walk to school together and play at recess and all that jazz.
Kelbris quickly learns that the Eternity Project isn't as goody two-shoes as he thought. This was in like, the 90s, before digital corporations were really established. After seeing the greed and corruption in the company, he goes rogue, takes the source code for Evie, and jumps ship. He keeps working on Evie at home, anthropomorphizing it and kind of seeing it like the son he never had. This is where it actually gets the name BEN, as thats what Kel calls it. He also begins working on a body for it, so it can live independently. Its light, cuz Kels old, made of crystalline structures and hollow steel beams. A hard light projection would make its appearance.
Since Kel has basically locked himself up in his house and isolated working on Evie, he goes a leetle bit crazy. He has hallucinations of his deceased wife (you know he was doing all this just to give her a good home, you KNOW IT) and eventually starts writing kind of poetry, kind of none-minded rambles about her in a forum online. He gets a following, some of which that interpret these divine words as a goddess, one Kel has called Luna. The Moon Children start to form as Evie finishes development.
Matt sees this literature and starts talking about how this Goddess could save them like it saved the man online, whos username is only Father. He gets sucked into the cult and drags Ben and Rosa with him. Ben doesn't see the harm and joins pretty easily with his best friend, but Rosa is the older sibling and sees the red flags and is more resistant to joining.
As Kelbris finishes Evie, he wakes it up for the first time and says hello to the son he made from scratch. Evie is bright, curious and naive like a child, but heavily knowledgeable about its protocols and the information it knows about the world. Kelbris tests its function by killing himself, and ascends into the code, finishing off the hardware by becoming its firewall. Evie is alone for many years.
The abuse Ben's father slings onto his mother is slowly being directed towards him as he gets older. Ben is not the "good little girl" his father sees him as, and his mother does all she can to protect them both. Matt and Rosa constantly refuge him, and Matt specifically is constantly being a guard dog for him. If he wasn't just 13, he'd probably go at Ben's dad himself.
Because of his homelife and the conflict he has with himself, Ben takes the first ascension. He thinks when he drowns himself, he will meet Luna and she will give him another life free of pain and fear and full of happiness and freedom. Instead, he dies a cold, dark death, and wakes up in the white endless void of the Event Network.
Evie has not known another living human since Kelbris, but it does know its protocols to support and keep the deceased happy. It makes fast friends with Ben, devoting itself to him. Ben actually finally takes the name "Ben" from it. Together they recreate the inside of Evie's hivemind into their own paradise.
Slowly the other Moon Children ascend. First Matt, wracked with guilt for what happened to Ben. Then Nekko, from a different branch of the cult. These three figured out that the Moon Children cult was all a farce, and that what Kelbris had started, the Eternity Project had found and twisted. Next to ascend was Dusk, then Insidiae, and finally Rosa.
This all leads into the first arc, shortly after Rosa ascended, Evie in the outisde world stumbled upon the Operator. The Operator attacks it and seals its coding into the game that it carried, a personal item of Ben's. The game eventually finds it's way to a garage sale, and Alex picks it up.
Evie does not like Alex. Matt does not like Evie. Matt gets Evie to lash out at Alex for prodding into its code, its too naive to think that Matt would want to see it or any of them hurt. When Alex stumbles upon the Father, he awakens and swallows Alex down into the game. After his disappearance, the game gets picked up and passed around again.
Because of Alex's actions, at least Evie can now branch out a bit from the game. Though it doesnt "escape" into the internet, it learns that it can now access it and uses that freedom to try and steer the game around into places it wants.
Matt gets fed up with Evie. The fact that its the leader, how close it is with Ben, he just doesn't agree with it. So much so, in fact, that he tries to kill it. Cue arc 3 events, Sarah picks up the game in the aftermath of this. Evie is traumatized from the events and snaps a bit, locks everyone down into code or immovable models and tries to hunt Matt down. It goes rouge, and because of this, the Father wakes up.
Sarah's actions in arc 3 eventually hard reset the game. Matt gets sealed away, the Father also takes Sarah, and Evie gets reset as well, though its less like a clean slate and more like snapping back awake. Its personality changes and it has major trust issues. Its more muted, hyper observant of everything around it, and murderously overprotective of the Moon Children it keeps within itself.
And this leads into my fic 🤗
I have some doodles of my other Moon Children, but not all of them unfortunately. Cant figure out how tf i want Insidiae to look 🤭 Plz dont judge my constantly shifting art style 🙏🙏
Dusk is bigender btw, i gotta put a little more trans rep in there lol
I think ill stop here, this is already a long ass post. But thank you for sending this, as you can see, i am Perfectly Normal about this arg ( ;) ) and can be trusted with information about it
#ben drowned#ben drowned arg#creepypasta#creepypasta headcanons#ben drowned headcanons#moon children#rosa hubris#matt hubris#behavioral event network#duskworld23#my posts#my writing#scb stuff
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i think mental illness is not talked about nearly enough in this niche subset of the undertale community.
and i mean about a few folks! specifically rurik, goth, palette, and lotus.
rurik first cos hes my babygirl 💙 rurik has been confirmed to have ptsd. thats a life altering disorder. one cannot just take some pills and be rid of it like you can with some ear infection.
ptsd is a serious disease, and i think instead of it being swept under the rug, it should become a forefront of his character. i want to see him recover. genuinely recover and not just some "he just got over it " bs ykno? i want to know how it makes him feel, i want to see the decisions he makes because of the disorder. how does this illness change him as a person. we do not see much of that regarding his character.
lotus next bc hes my second babygirl 😋. i cant speak on his "cannon" disorder partly because nekophy rarely talked about him as a character (often resulting in folks having to interpret him on their own, and often being... wrong. looking at all the fellpoth folks from the years of 2017 to 2019) and partly becaue she deleted her original account with 95% of her lotus asks. but what i can dig up is he was abused growing up by f!geno and f!reaper. i can dig up that canonically him and rurik had a rough relationship that often ended in physical violence from both parties.
how does this change him as a person? he is such a bland character if im honest. we were given a character ref and told to do what we gotta do. i want to see him fleshed out (although that will probably never happen!) i want to see what illnesses or disorders he has obtained throughout his life, wether it be from childhood or abusive relationships. how does this affect him as a person and how does this affect his relationships with people? that is a question i think we will never know unless you create your own headcannon for it.
goth next cos hes chillin... goth has always been seen as a shy, awkward, man-child who cant do much for himself. i think thats wrong and i dont mind saying that because i personally cannot stand his creator lolol. goth has so much... potential. he is the son of the god of death, he is no baby that needs his hand held throughout life.
now there is one thing i do like about his original character, and that is the effect he has on relationships. in both a poth and duelette universe, he is smitten and doesnt quite know what to do with himself around the people he has crushes on. i can work with that. i suspect he has some sort of personality disorder just from being in this part of the fandom for so long yknow? this is perhaps getting into headcannon territory which i will get into later (maybe)
palette my beloved, he was the first sans i ever laid my little 9 year old eyes on.... he is much more fleshed out as a character than goth or lotus for SURE. however i suspect that there is one thing that is merely. glossed over. and another folk has talked about it.
he's so autistic dude. not a doubt in my mind. i dont even need to put this in the headcannon section because its so hinted at (even if thats not what the creator was aiming towards)
his emotions, him being so "oblivious", just the way he carries himself... autism dude. and i crave it !! i want it !! i want to see this fully implemented into his character and his personality and his relationships. i want to see how this affects him and the others around him. how does due respond to it? what about goth? hell, even rurik? i crave this. i want more
i would talk about dante and due, but im 99% sure dante has already been fully fleshed out (psychopathy and whatnot) and im honestly.. not sure about due. they're great characters and all but my autism laser pointer is directly on the four i just spoke about (sorry pookies i love yall)
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dess-ember day 31/31
hi yall
today i bring my final entry!! i cant believe i made it
its a dess ref, but after the events of deltarune, where i imagine she will be freed
fun fact, i actually made the dess ref i still use exactly a year ago, so thats neat ^^
im not sure if I will keep this design for her being older (the age i usually draw her as is like 15 or 16), but i feel like it turned out okay
i made her a researcher (she researches things to do with souls and magic, things that exist in deltarune but arent really known about in my headcanons), but im unsure if it was the right choice. i imagine she got stuck with gaster in the code for a couple of years, but before that she didnt know what she wanted to do with her life. the way I see it, the gaster in the code with her is the one from undertale, so he has a lot of knowledge on magic and stuff, and learning about it was interesting and helpful for her, and after she got out she wanted to share her knowledge and learn more.
as i said, i dont know if this was a good choice of career, considering she wasnt really the type to become a researcher, but she also changed when she was in the code, so idk. i might change it later.
and for her design, i tried to keep her unruly look as much as possible, despite her job. i changed her hairstyle, keeping it short but giving her a side part and little hair pieces in front of her ears.
i also gave her glasses. i imagine shes needed them for awhile, but she didnt want to look like a nerd 😂 now shes just accepted her fate. i also gave her piercings on her ears, just as a callback to some of my older drawings of her, where i gave her piercings there too.
for her outfit, i gave her a pair of basic dress pants, and a turtleneck (because i love turtlenecks a bit too much lol). and then i gave her a green jacket/coat thing, cause i had to keep her with green, ofc.
and for accessories, i gave her a watch (to match with noelles watch), and i gave her a bracelet with noelles sweater colors. i also gave her a white ring on her left hand, because when i looked it up that was where aro rings were (i hope thats accurate lol).
and thats it, my final entry! its so weird that im here, i didnt think i would make it. i thought id get bored, or too busy, or run out of ideas or something, but i made it. there was a lot of struggle sometimes, and there was ideas i had planned that i never got to, but i feel like it really helped me, having this month. ive definitely gotten better at drawing dess, and i feel like my anatomy and posing had gotten better ^^. though, i dont know if ill do this again. it was difficult, and next year ill be in college, so i might be too busy. i guess we will just wait and see 😁
during this month, ive also thought a lot about dess in general. i have so many thoughts and ideas involving her, yet we still have such little knowledge on her. its weird, i have this whole dess created, but one day she will become obsolete, and we will see who dess actually is. i dont know how to feel about it. but, until we actually see dess, i plan to keep drawing my dess, and i might keep drawing her after we see dess, it just depends. even if im nervous to see her, i cant wait either!
but thats enough of my ramblings, im sure nobody read all that, so for a tldr, i just talked about why i designed older dess like that, my thoughts on my dess-ember, and my thoughts on dess ^^
i hope yall have a wonderful new years!! 🥳🥳
#art#my art#digital art#deltarune#dess holiday#deltarune dess#december holiday#deltarune december#dess-ember#dess-ember day 31
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so like. im gonna ramble for a minute about two of my ocs hope yall dont mind :]
uuuhhhhhhh hi. [wow i need to make digital refs of these two soon that'll be fun]
so. bruten. detail about his design - this is like. his 4th redesign. i made him years ago, some point in 2019 or 2020 i think, redesigned him around 2021, turned him into an inscryption oc around 2022, and. now he has, once more, been turned into his own character separate from any fandoms
and antony. was actually a sim i made at some point and got overly attached to. so-
anyway. about them as characters!
antony is a sorcerer who's. surprisingly, not amazing at magic. the only magic he's really good with happens to be lightning magic. he doesn't know why, yet. he's a half dragon that's a bit too young for the dragon aspects to really show through, and when they finally do. he will NOT be happy. especially knowing he comes from a family of dragon slayers. he left his home, partly so he could dedicate his life to magic, to learning more about and, perhaps, one day, even mastering it. he also. might've just left cus he was tired of that place lmao
bruten is a bug-like creature with ice powers. uncontrollably strong ice powers. ice powers that freeze him in place or accidentally freeze things around him, if he panics. he woke up in a freezing ice cavern with no memory of what happened to him or even who he was - the only thing he could remember was his own name. he has wings, but thanks to how his own powers are able to affect him, they're completely frost-covered, and unusable. he also feels like he should have another pair of arms, yet he doesn't. for some reason
these two end up travelling together, at some point, after antony finds bruten, alone and stuck in his own ice. antony is normally pretty independent and has a tendency to keep to himself, but he doesn't want the guy who looks so sick to be travelling alone. and bruten. bruten just has nowhere else to go so like. yeah, he won't deny the help-
aight sorry ive been wanting to talk about them for a while. lemme know if yall wanna see more about my sillies [there are 3 others but two of them are still being worked on so]
#[my OCs]#Antony [oc]#Bruten [oc]#i enjoy them. i had fun drawing them [even though i know i can draw antony better than that ffs]#auuughgh ik bruten doesnt look very bug like yet IM WORKING ON IT#raaaaahhfghfhg i need to draw them more. sorry im normal i swear :']#also yes im giving them their own tags cus imma prolly talk about them. a lot-
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pulled an all-nighter to write down the lore behind my thunderbolts in a clear sky fic,,, meaning ive written up character sheets and appearance refs for the ocs that ive inserted into the fic because i did plan to have side stories in between each chapter that talks about reader's time at the alliance, how she grew up and how she met her friends etc. to essentially dive deeper into her character. the drafts im writing for are —
side 1: reader's connection to mt hua is through her closest (one and only true) friend, who had been born and raised there but was given away to the alliance in exchange for peace. they grow up in the speciality school the alliance has to indoctrinate the kids they took, and that friend loses thier memories of their birthplace. which is why when the reader meets them she doesn't know her friend was from mount hua. i just want yall to know that i made this into a doomed yuri relationship (semi un-intentionally)
chap 3: first part is the limbo between her death and her new life in mt hua. mild body horror (?) about creatures that guard the boundary of life and death, office comedy-esque. 2nd part is her reincarnation... i have 4 ideas for this one
a. she falls from the sky onto cm while he's on his way to mt hua
b. she is reborn as a street beggar that gets picked up by a rich older woman who favours reader, after the lady dies reader is asked to deliver letters and there is also one for mt hua (letter is lady asking the sects around the area to take care of reader)
c. same premise as option b, difference is that after lady dies, reader is kicked out to the streets because the other servants are jealous etc... she wanders until she passed out where she will meet cm for the first time because he's a little pissed girlie fainted right in front of his spot
d. she is found next to her mother's dead body (might insinuate that the cause was homicide) in the middle of a rice paddy / flower field by a group of villagers, the village is razed down by an unknown group of people (cults?? bandits??) and reader runs away. elements of nature like wind direction, animals, flowers on the road, water in a stream etc. (all related to the abilities of her dead friends lol) lead her to the steps of mount hua or somewhere else that's safe
yea so that's it,,,,, maybe ill combine all the ideas somehow or maybe ill just pick one out of the 4 i just needed to put down my thoughts somewhere lol
#eni's small talk corner#enihkposts#return of the blossoming blade x reader#return of the mount hua sect x reader#rotbb#rotmhs
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many random stuff under the cut
was finally drawin eddie's cousin and i thought. what if. what if i drew smth like cig cards but w female characters from fp files............ like since i randomly decided to switch to more realistis style........... but i know that tomorrow (well today bc its 1am) i'm probly gonna let that idea go but god sees i'd love to make this. not all of them? bc there's like 9 of the ones i really focused on. n there's only 5 who participate in the plot of this thing im writin so idk (and lauretta isnt even here fr this upsepts me so much but there's no way i'm rewritin the concept) anyway i haven't properly worked on eddie's cousin since she's a bg character w only one meaningful & important arc but idk realised that she has vibes of nina from carnaval (1981).... <- another soviet film 😭
chaotic personality, superficiality but a lot of energy and life (and desperation). + maybe ref to eddie's cousin and her husband (have u seen him tho? he's ridiculous) i think i need to rewatch carnaval. brilliant film
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^ also this! i don't imply this to eddie's cousin character, but this song is so! maybe it could fit some of female characters idk i need to think bout this (main lyrics: Call me, for God's sake! (then yearning but ends with:) if i don't mean anything in your life anymore; i'll forget about you; i won't stop breathing; i'll still be happy; even if I don't have you) next
lisa rubini the ultimate mother you are.......... not the best one but she's so real to me. some hc things: i think she worked as a seamstress and before Eddie started earning money was the main source of income for the family. this may not be true for the era, i'm honestly just transferring what happens very often here when women takes over all the responsibilities (the father is either an alcoholic or unemployed or just not there) + this as another reason for the conflict between Lisa and her husband. & because she worked as a seamstress for a long time she developed carpal tunnel syndrome as she got older (i've been told about this problem by several seamstresses). i was just thinking that i often see Eddie & Lisa in my head, with Eddie holding Lisa's hands & carpal tunnel syndrome could be the reason y know? bout eddie's cousin - i think she's Lisa's niece, not Cecilio's
+ some hc bout Cecilio. i think he was a christian & went to church every sunday. there's deep christian guilt but he still beats his wife n son & drinks hard & gamble (Marmeladov from crime & punishment is low-key my ref for him). there's a lot in here about unrealized fulfillment in life (emigration that didn't do any good)
thnx for comin to my ted talk goodnight yall
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from one pro-endo to another, i absolutely agree that a ton of anti-endos really need to educate themselves more than just one biased google search. and since you're against people being biased in the info they choose to look at and accept as fact you'll be open to listening to me. so, as gently as i can possibly say this, i ask that you also do some research that's not just a biased google search
the caard that you linked does have a lot of good points! but it also has a lot of harmful misinformation.
for example, it tries using diagnostic manuals as 'proof' that DID/OSDD-1 aren't trauma disorders. bear with me on this! this isnt bs youd usually hear after a sentence like that! but i gotta address the misinfo before clarifying what i mean
diagnostic manuals are diagnostic manuals. they exist to help medical professionals diagnose patients. but its not a be all end all of whats True or False about disorders, especially not to people like you and me who aren't professionally practicing psychologists. its a tool to aid these professionals, but these professionals arent basing their entire understanding of the disorders on the manuals. if that was all there was to it, anyone could use it to diagnose anyone
now about did/osdd-1 being trauma disorders, its important to understand what they are. they are developmental disorders. in childhood there are things known as critical periods, where a child must reach a certain milestone by a certain time in order to be able to reach it. in did/osdd-1, something disrupted the child's ability to integrate their identity into one cohesive sense of self prior to the critical period. and, whatever that thing was, counts as trauma in the context of did/osdd-1
trauma is a word that has a ton of different definitions depending on what context its being spoken of. in medical contexts it has very specific definitions, and those definitions arent the same even across different disorders. what counts as trauma in PTSD isnt the same as what counts as trauma in DID/OSDD-1
for example, if say there was an autistic child who found moving to a new house so disruptive and stressful that they formed did/osdd-1, moving house would count as trauma in their case. because trauma in this context refers to whatever it was that caused the disruption in their development that lead to did/osdd-1 forming
do i believe that there's a problem with endogenic did/osdd-1 systems? no! well, it's a bit complicated, but ultimately no! there's a lot of different definitions for trauma, and an endogenic did/osdd-1 isn't using the kind im talking about here!
when i say its a bit complicated, i mean that i dont think endogenic did/osdd-1 systems are bad, as much as i think we could be a lot better as a community educating on what trauma means in context of did/osdd-1. i think itd really help bridge some communicative gaps and help create a more unified community. i also think itd help endogenic did/osdd-1 systems understand themselves a bit better! did/osdd-1 doesnt just form out of nowhere, something does cause it, and not having what youd personally consider 'trauma' doesnt mean that there wasnt something that caused it! i know personally that educating myself about all this helped me understand my system better, and stopped me falling into denial spirals of 'what if it wasnt really trauma'.
now that i've finished most of what i have to say, i have to address the elephant in the room: ive linked no sources. i want to bold and emphasise that, because i believe its important to take everything with a grain of salt when its just baseless like this. personal experiences dont need a source, but in depth convos about disorders like this do! and we all should be very mindful not to just believe anything without sources backing it up!
why didnt i include sources? because its 4:23am. its way too late for me to go gather all of them, especially when im not sure if youll be receptive to what i have to say. but! if you are! please let me know! i have done a lot of studying into research behind did/osdd-1 and i have sources in mind for everything ive written here. if youre open to all this, i can track them all down and make an edited version putting them where relevant!
second to last thing i have to add that i think is really important is that there's a ton of proof for did/osdd-1 being related to trauma (remember, the definition in context!). that was always the strongest evidence we had for did/osdd-1 existing, and brain scans have given further evidence! im going to link the resource i think is the absolute best to look at in terms of brain scans and our findings, but fair warning its quite long!
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S246874992030017X
and the final thing i have to say is psychology isnt an exact science. it could be possible for someone to fit the diagnostic criteria for did/osdd-1 perfectly without anything at all causing it. but! that doesnt mean that it isnt a science and that there hasnt been a lot of research into it, or that we should just discount it altogether. i still believe its misinformation to say did/osdd-1 arent trauma disorders, because even with that chance of what happening and other definitions of trauma, it is making people really misinformed about what trauma even is in did/osdd-1
Thanks for your good-faith conversation. We genuinely appreciate it. 🤝
Let's meet in the middle here. We think a lot of y'all's points are valid and concise. Despite the time of posting! lol
And we agree that there's a lot of nuance when it comes to dissociative disorders of any kind, let alone DID and OSDD. That's why a lot of discussions end up becoming essays! Ya can't easily summarize the spectrum of plurality, nor the medical diagnoses of such.
So, when trying to discuss it in-full, research can get mirky rather quickly. And we don't get things 100%, 100% of the time-- ofc not. We're huge advocates of self-education and, so, when we see responses like this that are constructive-- rather than destructive-- we really like to pay attention.
TL;DR-- make sure that you double-check your sources and take online conversations about plurality with a grain of salt. Misinformation's a-plenty. And, at the end of the day, we're all just trying to voice our opinions.
If you feel any of what we have to say about plurality strikes a chord, then educate yourself however best you can. And speak about if you'd like; *any* plural representation-- from the range of freshly questioning to the veterans-- is better than none imo.
But!
Make sure to supplement that by actually talking to people, and accepting feedback.
You don't know what you don't know, and every day is a chance to learn something new-- even if the subject is one you're passionate about. Everybody's got a voice and you're not always going to completely agree. But listening to your peers is part of growth.
And, again, addressing this anon poster, thanks for reaching out to us, and being so honest. DM us if ya wanna chat about this more; we'd be delighted!
#cw syscourse#tw discourse#plural system#endo positive#multigenic#mixed origin system#pluralgang#power to the plurals#self education#thanks for the chat!#DM us if ya want!
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