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Blackfyre rebellion the rebellion of all time. Do we really want a bunch of nerds and weirdos running our kingdom? Look at this jock over here! he’s hot and has a cool sword! No that isn’t his son over there snogging a dude idk who that is look guys SWORD.
#daemon blackfyre#daemon ii blackfyre#the first blackfyre rebellion#the second blackfyre rebellion#daeron ii targaryen#lord bloodraven#aerys i targaryen
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#my memes#a song of ice and fire#a song of ice and fire memes#asoiaf#asoiaf meme#uthor underleaf#dunk and egg#dunk and egg series#a knight of the seven kingdoms#the mystery knight#second blackfyre rebellion
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i should have made that non rebagelable perhaps but we move
#i logged on bc i got a message from a friend & then clicked over to the fyp for a second and THAT was MY MISTAKE#i saw that and the ‘um anti dornish sentiment wasn’t a factor at all in the blackfyre rebellions & even if it was it’s fine bc they brought#it on themselves actually’ okay. so you’re stupid.#getting on my soap box
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We can't all be secret Targeryans.
I think Aegon the Unworthy and his general sluttiness ensured that Anyone could plausibly be a Secret Targeryan
I mean. I get where you're coming from, but there very much Are Secret Targs all across the 7 kingdoms.
That is very much a Thing That Happened.
fully believe shiera seastar and bloodraven had a secret relatives spreadsheet going after running into like the fifth stranger with resting Blackfyre Chad Face. If you answer all their questions about if you ever knew the whereabouts of your father right you get to see the onboarding powerpoint
#asoiaf#danny lothston showing up to the second blackfyre rebellion with Daemon’s Entire Face is a head canon that is so beloved to me#some kids get the blonde hair or purple eyes. but everyone ends up with some of the bone structure
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honestly hilarious that the lannister siblings are all history freaks in different direction. cersei rolls her eyes that jaime doesn't know what the second blackfyre rebellion was about while he rattles off the tale of ser luthor pisseryon of daeron i's kingsguard, who served for all of seven moons before he died shitting himself en route to dorne. meanwhile tyrion's sitting in the corner reading maester leomore's neo-myrxist critique of archmaester hargreave's account of the Storming of the Dragonpit (The Warrior Himself: Examining the Dying of the Dragons in the Light of the Seven) and not paying attention to it one bit because he’s moping about how everyone in kings landing hates him, the imp, because he’s ugly and rich, and not because he’s a feudal overlord who is fundamentally detached from the immediate concerns of his starving subjects
#lannister siblings#house lannister#jaime lannister#cersei lannister#tyrion lannister#tyrions main problem is that he acknowledges that he is in an unfair system#and has the capacity to examine more than most non-childcharacters his privileged role in the system#(see his view on the smallfolk bread riots or on the starks or on being. a dwarf after penny)#but yet is blindsided every time when people hate him for being part of that system (sansa penny the smallfolk. many such cases)#love ya tyrion you suck <3
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The lineup of our beloved ASOIAF ttrpg campaign characters!⚔️
Our amazing GM @oneirotect has set us in 207 AC between the first and second Blackfyre Rebellions (around 90 years before Game of Thrones and 50 years after the death of the last known dragon). So far we've travelled across the Narrow Sea, partied in Braavos, escaped an assassination attempt by the Golden Company, made some difficult political decisions and started romantic entanglements with likely very dire consequences.
#asoiaf#a song of ice and fire#asoiaf fanart#game of thrones#my art#pigeon princess#dnd#ttrpg#asoiaf ttrpg#Gwyndon Pyke#Tobiah Martell#Oswick Crakehall#Maester Wyman#Wyman Redwyne#gwyn#asoiaf art#Targs on Tour#I would burn down every castle in the seven kingdoms for these guys#points if you can correctly gues who is the party is romantically involved with who and DO NOT SAY THE TWO TARGARYENS!!#We're currently in the Water Gardens in Dorne and I never want to leave
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What do you think: which asoiaf house deserve better?
It’s too easy to say the Manderlys or the Tarbecks deserved better.
I am a true hater to my core. If there is one thing about me everyone should know is that I will find something to complain about. Periodt.
So, let’s talk about which house deserved worse.
House Bracken
If any house deserved worse, it’s these perpetual, scheming, backstabbing opportunists. The Brackens are like that stupid fuckin coworker who keeps getting their corporate cock sucked despite being objectively terrible at everything. Their entire existence revolves around making bad decisions, siding with the stupidest decision makers in Westerosi history, and somehow still managing to stick the landing. The only reason they’re still around is bc the chad Blackwoods would be considered kinslayers if they finally followed through with ganking the virgin Brackens because they WONT STOP FUCKING THEM. AND BREEDING.
“Waahhh fuck the Blackwoods, they suck, I should burn their houses down!” Sir, that’s your AUNT. Y’all are literally all First Men.
Those horsefuckers have been “feuding” (it’s literally hearsay) with House Blackwood for thousands of years, and they still can’t get a single W. Go ahead, go check in on them, take a shot whenever they are either betraying someone, sucking the cock of whoever’s in “power” this week, or trying to steal land that they will inevitably lose again. You’ll get alcohol poisoning. They backed Aegon the Dork in the Dance (woof), they backed the Blackfyres in the rebellion (really?), and in ASOIAF, they’re STILL making terrible choices, switching sides between the Starks and Lannisters like a bad wifi signal
And let’s be real—their entire personality is just hating the Blackwoods. That’s it. You ask a Bracken what they care about, and it’s not power, wealth, or horses (the Rills did horses better get a new gimmick)—it’s screwing over the Blackwoods at every possible turn. Get a fucking hobby. Touch GRASS. Suck CLIT.
Meanwhile, the Blackwoods are over here with their REAL weirwood tree, ancient legacy, and genuinely interesting history and baller fucking seat (Raventree Hall??? HELLO????? METAL AS FUCK. Stone Hedge is so LAME!) , while the Brackens are just flailing around going, “What if we betrayed our allies again? That worked so well last time!” 🤦♀️
Honestly, the only reason they still exist is sheer fuckin’ luck at this point.
First off, House Bracken is basically the Riverlands equivalent of Elon Musk. Hollow threats. Zero rizz. Fake as fuck. Total LOSER. Weak ass bark, zero bite. They act like they’re a major power, but they’re not. They think they deserve what they have!!!! Every time they make a move, it backfires spectacularly, and yet they just keep doing it. They fail upward!!!! They fucking learn nothing. They are medically incapable of making a good decision. I’d say it’s in their genes but the family tree of the Brackens and the Blackwoods is a wreath, and the Blackwoods don’t fail this fuckin hard.
Greatest Hits:
• “We Were Kings, We Prommy!” – The Brackens love to tell people that they used to be kings in the Riverlands. Oh, you were kings? Cool. So were the Blackwoods by your standards, and guess what? They didn’t get demoted to second-rate nobility because they were bad at being kings. That was time. That was just a natural change in power dynamics. Eso es solo economía basica. (Also, their kingdom lasted longer but like. Whose counting?) (me. I’m counting.)
• The Dance of the dumbasses – During the Dance the Brackens backed Aegy (imagine being that wrong) while the Blackwoods supported Rhaenyra the Perfect and Did Nothing Wrong. But here’s the kicker: not only did they lose, but they also got their castle burned to the ground by the very same side they supported. Imagine baking ur neighbor a pie and they still burn ur house down. Embarrassing. Whack. Sad. Take a lap.
• Blackfyre Rebellion: Worst Bets Edition – When the Blackfyre bastards popped up, the Brackens were like, “Hell yeah, bad decision 2: electric boogaloo!” Meanwhile, the Blackwoods, once again, stayed loyal to the crown. Because it was in their best interest. Guess who won? I’ll give you a hint: not who the Brackens backed. And guess who got punished for backing them?
• Their Weirwood Crimes – This one’s just sad. The Chad Blackwoods, like proper First Men, still worship the Old Gods and have a massive weirwood tree. The virgin Brackens, meanwhile, chopped theirs down centuries ago, probably just to be spiteful. The internalized racism is coming from inside the house. And where did they build their new godswood? On top of the stump like a bunch of insecure toddlers. It’s like they knew the Old Gods weren’t on their side and tried to cover it up. Lady Bracken (geodndndge please what is her name please reply to my emails) is correct when she says the gods are punishing them. Y’all deserve it. Stupid horse fuckers.
• The Award for Most Inconsistent Allegiances – Every major conflict, the Brackens flip-flop faster than an American politician on Twitter. Like we call Walder Frey the Late bc he’s opportunistic— man what the fuck about the Brackens? They backed the Tullys, then turned on them. They supported the Lannisters, then tried to hedge their bets when things got rough. Go fuckin cry about it. Pound sand. Die mad. They switched sides between the Starks and Lannisters during the War of the Five Kings like they were speed-dating for survival.
It’s already bad that the Brackens are losers (imagine being born a bracken. I would simply. choose not to. Be. Born.), but the fact that they’ve spent thousands of years being consistently outclassed by the Blackwoods just adds insult to injury. The Blackwoods have a richer history, cooler symbolism, and an actual legacy—while the Brackens have…horses? They fuck horses? The Rills got horses, too, man. Pick a better personality. And a track record of failure? It’s like watching a rivalry between a college professor and a loser who gets kicked out of bars for trying to fight the furniture.
Honestly, House Bracken only still exists because somehow they keep getting pardoned after every betrayal. Westeros has wiped out noble houses for way less (RIP House Darklyn and Tarbeck gone but not 5gottem).
They’re like fucking cockroaches. They just keep crawling back. House Bracken should’ve gone extinct centuries ago, they refuse to die.
Fucking clown shit for real.
This message has been proudly brought to you by the Official Council for Blackwood Riverlands Supremacy—preserving history, honoring the Old Gods, and reminding you that Brackens have been taking L’s since the Dawn of Days.

#this is a joke#I don’t hate the brackens this much but it’s fun to clown on them#for enrichment#but the Blackwoods are cooler and I will die on that hill#when does a shitpost become a pisspost?#asoiaf#house bracken#house blackwood#hotd#a song of ice and fire#valyrianscrolls#house blackfyre#the riverlands#house tully#grrm#asoiaf meta#fire and blood#a game of thrones#game of thrones#a clash of kings#acok#affc#askbox#essays#shitpost#asoiaf shitpost#I’m sorry I live on the wiki
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their angel au thought
imagine if Darling died in a tragic way, perhaps similar to how Helaena or Lucerys died depending on which team she would be “in”.
Her ghost would haunt the halls of the red keep, wailing at the foot steps at what was once Aemmas and Rhaenrya’s chambers. She watches Aegon III’s children grow up and witnesses the maiden vault, to Aegon the unworthy taking the throne and his nine mistresses and his great bastards. To the blackfyre rebellion, then Dunk and Egg. And then the Mad king Aerys.
Her ghost was most volatile during the reign of the Mad King, storms often wrecking against the Red Keep- Screams of a woman would be heard from one of the royal chambers, items would be broken and paintings would be torn from their frames but it only seemed to pick up more since the sack of kings landing.
Mrycella and Tommen were the only one who had seemed to have decent experiences with this ghost, besides the servants of the castle.
But still, the storms ravished kings landing like no other on certain days like clock work. Only three maesters since the Dance of The Dragons came to believe it was indeed a ghost, others would scoff at the notion but all of the evidence was too coincidental to pass it off as nature. Perhaps it was the gods showing their disdain for the current state of Kings Landing, but no one would able to figure it out as the incidents came to a stop once Queen Cersei gave birth to her second daughter, an angry babe that was pushed into the world screaming louder than any child the Maesters had heard before.
#hotd x reader#house of the dragon x reader#yandere hotd x reader#yandere house of the dragon#their angel au#angel of the red keep
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2 Daemon 2 Blackfyre 2 gay 4 Dunk 2 rebel
#daemon ii blackfyre#ser duncan the tall#the second blackfyre rebellion#the mystery knight#a knight of the seven kingdoms#john the fiddler
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Thought I would post some of the character ref art from our ASOIAF campaign for your viewing pleasure!
I’m running a homebrew campaign with the official SIFRP system by green ronin, set in 207 AC between the first and second Blackfyre rebellions!
From left to right:
Tobiah ‘Toby’ Martell, 26 (Played by Nico): A legitimized bastard of House Martell, nephew of Maron and Daenerys.
Oswick ‘Redtusk’ Crakehall, 47 (NPC): A close ally of Daemon Blackfyre during the first rebellion, fled to Essos with Bittersteel in 196 AC.
Gwyndon ‘Gwyn’ Pyke, 26 (Played by @pigeon-princess): A bastard of House Farwynd of the Lonely Light, skinchanger and warg.
#my art#Tobiah Martell#Oswick Crakehall#Gwyn Pyke#Nico said ‘toby looks like cillian murphy circa 2007’ and I said HEARD CHEF#asoiaf#SIFRP
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MISSING TARGARYEN EGGS:
I’ve been driving myself a little insane as of late; Obsessively pondering and pouring-over the fact that there’s a staggering amount of unhatched dragon eggs in ASOIAF. All the way up to the mad king Aerys II’s attempts to hatch them. With potentially over twenty left unaccounted for after being first mentioned. That’s not assuming how many of these eggs got passed-down and given to the next generation after the Dance of the Dragons.
Despite that, only six of these established eggs had their appearances described. So I decided to draw them! Since I loved doing Dany’s eggs last year.
MAELOR “THE MISSING” TARGARYEN:
Like his elder siblings, the twins Jahaerys and Jahaera, Prince Maelor’s egg was placed in his cradle at birth. But unlike his sibling’s eggs, who would hatch and be bonded to Shrykos & Morghul respectively; Maelor’s remained unhatched by the time civil war broke-out between the Black and Green factions of House Targaryen. Being born in the latter, his egg was a fitting pale green with silver swirls. After the Greens were forced to flee King’s Landing, Maelor and his egg were to be escorted by Ser Rickard Thorne of the Kingsguard to the safety of Oldtown. Only for the three year-old Prince and his escort to meet a gruesome end at Bitterbridge in 130AC. The ruling Lady Caswell had the egg sent to Maleor’s great uncle, Lord Ormund Hightower, hoping it would appease the Greens. It did not. The Massacre of Bitterbridge followed soon after.
AEGON THE USURPER:
After the prolonged death of his dragon, Sunfyre, in 130 AC, Aegon II of the Green faction had a maester send him seven eggs from Dragonstone, hoping he could quickly gain a new mount to finally win the civil war. As armies still fought in the name of his half-sister, Queen Rhaenyra Targaryen, whose crown he’d usurped. Out of all his options, he had his eyes set on an egg of purple and gold. Believing it would hatch a worthy replacement: "—a new Sunfyre, prouder and fiercer than the last". Aegon would be poisoned the following year and none of his chosen hatched. Why yes, this egg does remind me of Spyro, I’m glad you agree.
ELAENA TARGERYAN:
Despite the many vast and interesting details we know of the life of Princess Elaena Targaryen, from her and her sister’s imprisonment in the Maidenvault, to her unofficial time as Master of Coin and advisor to Daeron the Good, the final whereabouts of her egg are not officially given. Even though it was said to be her most cherished possession; its shell sharing the same platinum white colour and bright golden streak as her own unique hair.
AEGON THE UNWORTHY/LORD AMBROSE BUTTERWELL:
An egg of red, with golden flecks and black whorls. It once belonged to Aegon IV, but ever the reckless, entitled, and lustful man he was, he simply gave it away. He offered it to the lord of House Butterwell of Whitewalls in exchange for being permitted to bed all three of the lord’s virgin daughters. The Lord accepted the egg, and supposedly Aegon would get all three pregnant that night. The egg remained in House Butterwell’s possession until the lord’s grandson, Ambrose Butterwell, held a tourney in 212AC to celebrate his wedding, with the egg as the coveted prize for the winner. The tourney, however, was merely a cover for those conspiring in the second Blackfyre Rebellion. The plan was for all competing knights to be bribed and lose to Daemon II Blackfyre, disguised as John the Fiddler. Daemon had prophetic dreams of a dragon egg hatching at Whitewalls. With a living dragon at his side, Daemon would be able to take the iron throne from House Targaryen. In the end, the rebellion was a failure, with the hatching egg proving to be a lot more metaphorical. Daemon was arrested and the egg returned to the crown’s custody by Lord Brynden Rivers, aka Bloodraven. (Calling it now: The egg in the upcoming TV series, ‘A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms’, won’t look anything like this, as none of the eggs have. Watch them just make it Drogon’s egg instead, continuity be damned. Like HotD’s attempt to claim Syrax was the mother of Daenerys’s three dragons.)
AERION “THE MONSTROUS” BRIGHTFLAME:
Like the rest of his brothers, Prince Aerion’s egg was placed in his cradle at birth, as per Targaryen tradition. His looked as if it was “—made of gold and silver, with veins of fire running through it”. I think I speak for everyone when I say it’s a good thing he never had a dragon to bond with. It seems he gave up any hope of a thing the egg, instead meeting his end by drinking the dangerous substance known as Wildfire, thinking it would transform him into a literal dragon. I do have a personal theory that Aerion’s unique sense of style was actually inspired by his egg.
AEGON “EGG” THE UNLIKELY:
Like the rest of his brothers, Aegon V’s egg was placed in his cradle at birth, as per Targaryen tradition. His coloured “—white and green, all swirly.” For years, Aegon became obsessed with dragons and never stopped hoping he’d see them return. Moreso during his reign as king, knowing a living dragon could’ve helped enforce his new reforms and protections for the smallfolk against many contentious lords that opposed him. In 259 AC, Aegon gathered his family and friends at Summerhall to celebrate the upcoming birth of his first great grandchild. There he would make his boldest attempt to hatch seven dragon eggs using Wildfire. Instead, Summerhall, and many members of the Targaryen family, including him, perished in the resulting inferno. Perhaps his own egg was among those seven?
#ASOIAF#dragon egg#dragon eggs#dragon#dragons#HotD#HotD spoilers#AKOTSK#AKOTSK spoilers#Dunk & Egg#Dunk & Egg spoilers#maelor targaryen#Aegon II#Aegon the usurper#aegon v targaryen#Aegon V Targaryen#Aerion Brightflame#aegon iv targaryen#Aegon iV#Aegon the unworthy#Ambrose Butterwell#house Targaryen#House butterwell#elaena targaryen
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hello if we’re talking about great bastard ocs… may i introduce aegwald and laerra pyke, the codd bastard twins. their mom was like a cool pirate lady kind of like bellegere otherys i guess except she was a codd so she also sucked on some level. aeg4 liked his women a little wild. anyway everyone THINKS the twins are sleeping together bc they’re half targ and half codd but that is false they actually lowkey hate each other. laerra IS trying to bag bittersteel but he’s too psychosexually obsessed w bloodraven and daemy b to notice. she’s an equal opportunity bisexual tho like if shiera called she /would/ answer. however shiera doesnt care abt beating the blackfyres enough to hit up a codd. both twins captain longships - balerion and vhagar respectively - and they lowkey turn ironman’s bay into an iron islands civil war during the rebellion bc laerra keeps raiding blackwood lands & lannisport and aegwald keeps trying to stop her. they end up killing each other in a dramatic duel on a burning longship and once they’re dead everyone is like. damn. good riddance.
Okay first of all Aegwald as a name is so peak as is Laerra. Is she named after Aeg4on’s mom. Insane. Second of all I love the dueling longships named after dragons that they get into a second weirder sea dance of the dragons on that’s so awesome. Life is so hard when you are a Codd and all men despise you…
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Debunking Rhaelya shippers' arguments:
-"Dorne doesn't frown on polygamy.": Dorne is very sexually liberal in many things, but polygamy is not one of them. They are still a class society (ex. Oberyn would never marry Ellaria even though he genuinely loves her, Quentyn Martell was a virgin and Arianne would never marry Daemon Sand.) and polygamy is illegal under the eyes of the Old and New Gods and since Jaehaerys I outlawed it and for a very good reason.
-"Elia and Rhaegar had an agreement about his affair with Lyanna." "Elia would have been ok with Rhaegar going with Lyanna." "Rhaegar took Lyanna as a second wife along with Elia.": Elia would have never agreed to Rhaegar cavorting with Lyanna, because that would be giving her enemies a recently sharpened sword to murder her and her children, as she knows that the cause of the Blackfyre Rebellions was the anti Dornish sentiment towards Myriah Martell and her son Baelor. Also, Maegor was the last Targaryen king who attempted enforced polygamy having a dragon and even he couldn't make the Faith bow. Rhaegar has no dragons to inspire obedience.
-"Rhaegar and Lyanna were in love." "Rhaegar and Lyanna was a love story." "Rhaegar would have been a great king." "Rhaegar would care about Jon." "Rhaegar and Lyanna could have been a great king and queen.": There is no evidence that points out that Rhaegar and Lyanna were in love, aside from the testimony of Barristan Selmy (who was never at the Tower of Joy, thus he doesn't know what truly happened). Rhaegar was Summerhall made flesh; obsession with prophecies, grandiose plans to save the world and willingness to sacrifice women into its altar. He took Lyanna because he wanted to prove that the prophecy that led to his birth was real and that the sacrifices his family made were worth something. Whatever fondness he had for Lyanna, his Third Head of the Dragon always came first. Rhaegar and Lyanna wouldn't have been good parents to Jon, because the former would give up on him from birth because he isn't the Visenya he wanted and the latter would be too young to be a mother (Viserys II and Larra Rogare everyone?). And besides, thousands died for it and the same happened when Duncan Targaryen married Jenny of Oldstones (who are exactly the romantic love story Rhaelya is erroneously interpreted as). Rhaegar is too obsessed with prophecies and Lyanna is utterly disinterested in ladylike pursuits.
#anti rhaegar targaryen#anti rhaegar x lyanna#pro lyanna stark#pro elia martell#elia deserved better#lyanna deserved better
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The Line Of Succession
….and how it proves Aegon II is the rightful heir.
Introduction
So I was listening to Fire and Blood and there’s a couple of interesting lines in its first few chapters regarding succession.
‘While many still debated whether Prince Maegor or his niece, Rhaena, should have precedence in the order of succession, it seemed beyond question that Aegon would follow his father, Aenys, just as Aenys would follow Aegon.’
Page 56, The Sons of the Dragon, Fire and Blood.
‘Only Grand Maester Gawen dared object. By all the laws of inheritance, laws that the Conqueror himself had affirmed after the conquest, the throne should pass to King Aenys’ son Aegon, the aged maester said.’
Page 74, The Sons of the Dragon, Fire and Blood.
The Initial Line of Succession
The initial succession is clear, and was indicated long before Aegon I affirmed the succession laws. It was when it was decided that Aegon, despite being the middle sibling, would be the main ruler. This set the precedent that male heirs come before female heirs, regardless of birth order.
Aegon’s heir was his eldest son Aenys, and in turn Aenys’ heir was his eldest son Aegon. But while Aenys was the elder of Aegon I’s two children, Aegon was not the eldest of Aenys’ children. Aenys’ first child was his daughter, Rhaena. Again, setting the precedent that sons inherit before elder daughters.
But here’s where it starts getting messy. Because Aegon didn’t inherit the throne; he was usurped by Maegor, Aenys’ younger brother. Interestingly, Maegor named his great niece Aerea his heir. Aerea was Aegon’s daughter, and would have been the rightful heir if Aegon had inherited the throne as the laws dictated.
Maegor, by the way, had very legitimate reasons for usurping. Thanks to Aenys’ insistence on marrying his son and daughter together, the Faith was up in arms and had declared that any children they produced were abominations. There was no way anyone in Westeros would accept Aegon as King, and being as he was only 16 and had no dragon, he had no way of taming the rebellions and riots breaking out across Westeros. Maegor, on the other hand, rode Balerion the Black Dread and wielded Blackfyre. He was easily able to squash the Faith’s armed branches.
None of Maegor’s wives produced any living children, so he had to name someone else his heir. Aenys had five surviving children: Rhaena, Aegon, Viserys, Jaehaerys and Alysanne. Aegon was killed in battle so he couldn’t be Maegor’s heir. Jaehaerys and Alysanne were hidden away and protected by their mother, so Maegor couldn’t name them either.
His options were Rhaena, Viserys or one of Rhaena and Aegon’s twin daughters (it’s unclear who the older twin was) Aerea and Rhaella. Despite Viserys being held as a hostage by Maegor, he chose Aerea. He still decided to follow succession laws even though he didn’t have to.
Jaehaerys And The Law
However, after Maegor’s death, his nephew Jaehaerys I became King. This was because Aerea was only six years old, and was a rather timid and shy child, so even her mother said she wasn’t a good fit for the throne. But this is going against the succession laws. And it wouldn’t be the last time Jaehaerys did that.
Jaehaerys’ first heir was his eldest son, Aemon. Queen Alysanne wanted their eldest child, Daenerys, to be the heir but Jaehaerys refused. This is the right choice, because the laws are clear that sons inherit before daughters, and not even the King can defy the laws.
Aemon died long before Jaehaerys, and his daughter Rhaenys should have been the next heir, but Jaehaerys instead chose his second son, Baelon. Many people blame this on sexism, but I think it’s more complicated than that. Rhaenys was married to Corlys Velaryon, an ambitious man. Her children weren’t Targaryens; they were Velaryons. Making her the heir meant the throne passing from House Targaryen to House Velaryon. Not to mention, Rhaenys was 16 with no experience while Baelon was 35 and had experience.
It’s unclear if this goes against the succession laws. The quote above regarding Maegor and Rhaena suggests the laws are unclear if a brother comes before a daughter. So it’s uncertain if Rhaenys should have inherited, because she was Aemon’s daughter, or if Baelon was the rightful heir as he was Jaehaerys’ son.
Viserys And The Dance
After Baelon’s death, the Great Council chose Viserys I as the next heir. It is unclear where the laws stand on this. As Baelon’s eldest son, he was unquestionably his heir but, given it was unclear if Baelon was the lawful heir, that may not mean anything. It does, however, set the precedent of male heirs over any female heirs.
Now, here’s where we come to Rhaenyra and Aegon II. There’s some ambiguity when it comes to a brother and a daughter of the king, but not if it’s between a son and a daughter.
There the laws are clear. Aegon II, as Viserys’ eldest trueborn son, is his rightful heir. Rhaenyra has no claim to the throne while Aegon II, Aemond, Daeron, Jaehaerys and Maelor are alive.
After looking over the succession prior to Viserys, we can establish that the Targaryens followed the law of sons before daughters, but there’s some question of if daughters come before uncles. Therefore, succession following his death could go two ways.
It’s either Aegon II, Jaehaerys, Maelor, Jaehaera, Aemond, Daeron, Rhaenyra, Aegon III, Viserys II, Helaena, Daemon or Aegon II, Jaehaerys, Maelor, Aemond, Daeron, Daemon, Aegon III, Viserys II, Daemon, Helaena, Jaehaera.
(As Jacaerys, Lucerys and Joffrey are bastards, they cannot claim the throne and are not in the line of succession).
Regardless, Rhaenyra is not the rightful heir and is actually quite far down the line of succession. She, not Aegon, is the usurper and unlike Maegor, she has no good reasons to usurp the throne.
TLDR: Targaryen Royal succession follows the law, there’s an area of ambiguity over whether a brother or a daughter inherits but no ambiguity regarding sons over daughters, and Rhaenyra is a usurper with no good reason for doing so, making her worse than Maegor in that regard.
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So like, I just think it would be so funny if in the pre-Blackfyre Rebellion era, Daemon Blackfyre’s thing for Daenerys was one-sided. Like, there’s Daemon being a creepy weirdo and Daenerys is just like, “which bastard half-brother are you again?” Give me a Daenerys who absolutely does not give a fuck about Daddy’s favorite little tool to insult his trueborn heir for the high crime of *checks notes* being responsible. Give me Daenerys going to her brother who’s basically old enough to be her dad and being like, “Thank the gods you betrothed me to Maron Martell, I cannot stand Daemon’s constant talk about taking a second wife”.
Listen, I know George said in a word of god interview thing that Daenerys was in love with Daemon or whatever, but I simply do not care. If he wanted us to truly believe that she loved Daemon, he should have had her mourn him. I’m in the camp that the whole “BUT THEY WERE IN LOVE” thing in universe is just maesters making shit up for dramatic effect and also by Blackfyre rebels to try and add some romance to their cause, to spread the belief they’re fighting for some noble purpose or whatever.
Anyways, this is an anti-Daemon Blackfyre zone (joking, he can be so interesting but I do NOT believe he holds an actual claim to the Iron Throne, I’m actually much more interested in Daena, Rhaena, and Elaena trapped in the fucking Maiden Vault because Baelor decided to live out an eternal No-Nut November).
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“I hate Targaryens because they think that they are better than everyone else.” - something very interesting I have seen a couple of TG stans post.
I am not going to get into how I always find TG fans who fight for Alicent’s children to be seen as Targaryens, yet they despise Targaryens, never not funny. Let’s focus on the comment itself.
Targaryens think that they are better than everyone else? The same thing can be applied to all families in Westeros. All of them. Here are some examples:
1. The Lannisters believe that they are better than everyone else because they have money.
2. The Tyrells deem themselves superior because they have the most fertile lands.
3. The Hightowers believe they are better than everyone else because of their close connection to the Faith and the Citadel (which they only use for personal gain, not because they are truly religious).
4. The Arryns’ motto is “As High as Honor” and they look down upon anyone, who in their view only, is not to be considered honorable.
5. Even the Starks (though I love them - my second favorites after the Targaryens) play the morality police and like to believe that no one is as just as they are.
You know the difference between these Andal Houses and the Targaryens?
The Targaryens actually have pretty good reasons that set them apart from other families in Westeros: their Godly features of silver hair and purple eyes and their ability to bond with and ride dragons. They conquered the Seven Kingdoms and created the Iron Throne.
There are people who claim that the Targaryens are the worst thing to have ever happened to Westeros, simply because of their somewhat tumultuous reign.
I say the opposite. The Targaryens are the best thing that ever happened to Westeros. Before them, the Seven Kingdoms were at constant war with one another. By uniting the Kingdoms and creating the Iron Throne, the Targaryens gave the people a good chance at peace. They controlled the Realm and kept Lords in line with the help of dragons.
Yes, there were civil wars, like Maegor’s usurpation, the Dance of the Dragons (another usurpation courtesy of the greedy Greens/Hightowers) and the Blackfyre Rebellions.
The truth is that you cannot avoid these types of wars. Regardless of which family controlled the Iron Throne, succession wars would have taken place. Andal Houses were celebrating having taken down Aerys II, and they thought that with the Targaryen dynasty ended, all will be well. Look what happened after Robert Baratheon’s death. The first Andal King passed and a civil war with five contenders to the Iron Throne started.
The Targaryens did their best, and the people of Westeros knew more peace during their reign, than they ever did before or after them.
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