#the j2 breakup

[fandom-hoarder]

Where's that j2 commentary post about them switching the lines at the end of 9.10? It was either a convention or dvd commentary, I can't remember...

[castielstwigandberries]

if the supernatural movie doesnt include a reference to

nevada and georgia turning blue, stop the count, destiel making putin resign, sherlock season 5 rumors, destiel news meme, which political person had to be briefed on what destiel is now?, jensen looks like he was holding back homophobic slurs, weird cuts in the confession scene, which way was dean thrown now?, bury your gays speedrun, gay angels get send to superhell/eeby-deeby/cas plinko, recognizing the confession scene only by the first letters of each word, 'homosexual declaration of love', The Tapes™ (Release them now jensen!!!), meta analysis after 15x18, 'i gripped you tight and raised you from perdition' callback as dean saves cas from the empty, why lamp?, onion field, pizza man montage, parallels be paralleling, dean screaming cas name so loud in one take that people heard it blocks away, dean offering to kill sam if it means chuck brings cas back, the 4 year old son of lucifer becoming god, chuck won theory, 'we explore the nature of destiel in act two', excitement for a long finale which could only be about dean saving cas, right?, the insanity inducing quotes of the day for episodes, 'the night we met' and 'angel with a shotgun' songs of the day on set, filming in a barn, worst finale ever (even worse than game of thrones), weirly short with 11 scenes cut, two thirds montages, carry on wayward son playinf twice, back to back, one a weird cover version, vampmimes, no cas in the finale but instead some random vampire from season one no one remembers, dean finally gets nailed from behind, dean dies from tetanus, party city wig, good cars go to heaven, Car/Cas and Biden/Bi!Dean/Bye!Dean, 'cas helped', blurry wife, misha and jensen are not in the thank you video, everyone was supposed to be at the roadhouse originally but no one was informed of those plans, walker backdoor pilot, covid/capitalism destroyed everything, misha was in vancouver for filming the last episodes and was in less episodes than he was contracted for, misha denies ever having been in vancouver, misha says originally he was supposed to be in the finale as jimmy, misha says cas was supposed to be in the finale and 'sidle up to dean in the roadhouse', heterosexual destiel whose kisses would have created entire universes, destiel reciprocated in spanish, rogue translator, #TheySilencedYou, Jensen Ackles sexy silence, jensen ackles longcon, deanbenny breakup in season 8 script leak, Heller Obama, fake italian dub, misha collins x bill clinton sex scandal, misha addressing the "scandal" and tagging bill clinton and monica lewinski, 'still beautiful, still dean winchester', mishapocalypse 2.0 and 3.0, 'eyes like the sky' beer from jensens brewery rumored to be misha description, cockles anniversay photo, chaos machine jensen ackles' production company, 'rainbow road' beer close to deans birthday, blue green ('destiel') shotglasses from jensen brewery, ash and ellen's actors roleplaying roadhouse reopening in twitter, people think they are planning destiel wedding, disappointment when thats not the case, fans celebrate Destiel Wedding anyway on Valentine's Day 2021, fallout with both actors after one said a 'queer interpretation would damage the integrity of the show',

*takes a deep breath*

jared calling cas junkless and comparing his love for dean to the love he has for his children, misha collins cameo including 'still beautiful, still dean winchester', saileen and midam wedding, spn prequel announcement and subsequent j2 fallout, '@/robbiethompson et tu brute wow. what a trully awful thing you've done #bravo you coward', the prequel being about the least favourite characters of supernatural and a love story disproved by canon, 100000 destiel fics on ao3, misha tweets about that, rumors if mishas secret ao3 account, real italian dub going 'you're kinda okay' instead of i love you, misha tweeting a video of him saying 'te amo' in response to that', jensen saying if there'd been more time he (he meant dean but he used first person pronouns) would have hugged cas and said 'i love you too', first anniversary, misha collins coming out as bisexual on accident and then saying he 'happens to be straight' three days later in a five post apology thread, hot sauce from adam/micheal actor advertised by him playing midam, casbaiting in the winchesters trailer, jarlos shipping by winchester main actors, dean with beard and turtleneck, jensen saying he wanted misha in the winchesters but it didnt work out because of scheduling conflicts but hed be there in a season two shortly before the show was cancelled, death of the rogue translator and destiel getting dragged to the trending page every time there is news

*panting* then i dont want it.

yes this is all i could remember without looking it up

[supernaturalkickparty]

So I'm stuck right now, been going through it and I want to pick up one of my WIP's but idk which one.

So I'm asking for help on helping me pick which one I should start on again.

First fic- dad!dean au- Dean is Sam's bio dad and there's a 15 year age gap. Its an au that has Dean as the one who "left" and last saw Sam when he was just 13.

Second fic- older!JDM and teen Jared. Smutty romance with drug dealer JDM and doe eyed Jared who wants to ride that old man.

Third fic- musician!Jensen/ Jared is the one that got away. Messy breakup and pining, lots of music, already have a playlist for this one.

Ok so help me pick please

[j2zara]

Jace + the Jaces thoughts on if they could have a post band breakup career in film:

J4: could not act and does not want to act. Has been featured in a couple movies as basically herself or as literally herself in a glorified cameo and only if it’s some obscure thing nobody has heard of. And is. Kinda good at being basically herself? but otherwise she’s so awkward and stiff. Closest thing to mainstream is her being in like one scene of an A24 movie that kinda took off. Much more focused on her music

J2: he’s busy ok!!! He’s focused on his music but I do think there’s been a couple ventures in which a someone with pull in the industry basically tailor made a project w him specifically in mind for the role so like. He’s basically playing his own quirky manic pixie dream boy self. There’s also a musical that’s basically a best of covers concert based on his life. He’s not on it but. It exists. His dream role is secretly to be Jenna in waitress

J3: yes and is actually a pretty good actor but has a problem of being like. Not quite leading man handsome enough to be a marvel guy but not weird enough looking to be a character actor. But him being good goes kinda unrecognized bc he has been in quite a few flops. Gleefully accepted a razzie once. Will jump at any opportunity to do nudity.

Jace: yes but wouldn’t want one and is honestly content to be kind of a recluse who scams his audience

[hauntedwizardmoment]

Huge proponent of j2 retiring to be hot arm candy to his normal old man husband but I’m also gonna propose secret middling-leaning positive J2 ending: popstar to wholesome-brand daytime tv talkshow host like Kelly Clarkson (I think j2 could go pop post breakup with Jace + the Jaces but maybe that’s just me). Fantasy Anne Hathaway is on the show and lovingly owns him during one of the minigames of “guess the song” bc she recognizes his own hit song before he does

YEAHHHHH oh my god. and kelly clarkson is such a good pull too bc she recently went through a divorce and covered gayle's ABCDEFU but made the lyrics about her... j2 could do this. he's petty and he has the voice of an angel and is a DARLING in the public eye he's getting on that stage and making everyone who hurt him regret it!!

[clairenatural]

they fully edited sam out of that photo.....like they edited sam out of the photo in the Winchesters......j2 breakup was real?????

[lindamccartneysstrap]

Do you think that mclennon shippers took the Beatles breakup in April 1970 as well as J2 shippers handled the prequel announcement in June 2021?

I imagine it was worse to be a mclennon fujoshi because everything was so like idk prolonged. Imagine if like 18 months after prequelgate jensen came out with a song about how much jared sucks

[zukkacore]

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ANYTHING ANYTHING AT ALL ABOUT THE LOVERS UNIVERSE OR ANYTHING AT ALL

Hiiiii truly sorry friend this literally took so long!!!!!!!!!!!! b/c i sat here wracking my brain abt what tf i wanted to talk abt and i got all distracted by wanting to finish Biggest Lie and. i decided to just do what i did last time and. Just go over everything that was a reference or not to something else within Almost b/c I do think that is the easiest way to comb over this gd fic from head to toe. If i don't finish in one go I'll just reblog w/ additions and tag you in

"You're in love, aren't you?" / "You've been sighing all day" I've talked about this before, it's actually a pull from Howl's moving castle. Easily one of the most shameless things i've pilfered and it doesnt even really have a meaning, I just think the exchange is funny.

When J2 approaches, Porter Cliffbreaker lights up with the most insufferable, self-satisfied grin J2’s ever seen in his short life. “You’re early,” he practically purrs. - (In ch 3 for context. This is Porter seeing J2 for the first time.) Obviously we're continuing the Hadestown motif of "you're early" "I missed you". This is again part of the Porter n Jace whole Thing of like. Jace breaking up with him (not in the Big Break but you know). Obviously part of the reason Porter is being so smug is that he thinks Jace is coming crawling back to him. Lol. He thought, didn't he?

"I’m in the correct place, right?” / J2 turns to a tiefling girl in a plaid skirt and a ripped band shirt who is strapping bass guitar to her chest. “Hey, kid. Am I in the right class?” This is a weird pull but this is actually Twelfth Night to me, the scene where Viola first meets Olivia. I just think it's so funny when Viola comes in and doesn't know whether Maria or Olivia is the lady of the house. "The honorable lady of the house, which is she?" / "Most radiant, exquisite, and unmatchable beauty—I pray you, tell me if this be the lady of the house, for I never saw her. I would be loath to cast away my speech—" etc etc. There's a lot of Twelfth Night influence just b/c there's a lot of like mistaken identity stuff and being in love with someone while they're in love with someone else etc etc all that good stuff. I also think the scene where Viola has to woo olivia is just like. Hot. To be fair tho, J2 is kinda doing the opposite here, he's letting Porter down easy abt the breakup. It's a loose pull but i like the idea of J2 being so out of his element he doesn't even know he's in the right place.

“ What are you?” “I… can’t say. An olive branch? A… A best kept secret, maybe. Between you and the guy up top.” “A secret?” “A parting gift.” But also “What am I?” “That. But also why are you here? A beat. “I’m…” Finally, J2 settles on, “A messenger?” and “It’s—he wants to insist he’s not at war, here.” “Well, that’s a damn shame" is so this Twelfth Night exchange to me:

^^^ to elaborate (sorry i didn't wanna type it out): Idk the viola n olivia vibes in this whole scene not just this part are so flirtaeous and i liked the mentions of war and divinity. Like Porter is the god of war and yet the clones existing as this kind of olive branch. And there's this question of What J2 Is. And there isn't really an answer to that. I liked this idea of him being a secret. A gift. The line "to your ears divinity, to any others profanation" was just. ough.

I'll do this like. It's a big block of text so:

The fluorescence flickers. Mindless, as if purely out of routine, he makes his way over to the sink, to the cabinets full of mugs and glasses. J2 spots Jace’s immediately—it’s purple, with a slogan from his favorite podcast. He snatches it by the handle and throws it against the floor, where it shatters into a million pieces. He thinks about Jaceprime, and about being Dispelled. Despite the fear he can feel rising in his chest, making it hard to breathe, he thinks for another long moment. What a satisfying crash. He wonders if his fear of oblivion is unique to simulacra, or if it's something Jaceprime also has to grapple with every day. He wonders about the weird glowing gem in his chest, and how Jaceprime always refers to a time Before, with him and The Big Guy, but refuses to say outright what happened. He thinks about Porter—and of rage. He stares at the shattered pieces of the cup on the ground. And after a moment of serious contemplation, he grabs another mug off the shelf, and he does it again.

Anyway^^^: That's a reference to The Haunting of Hill House! Both the show and the movie. Theodora says it in both versions. Here's the anecdote I love so much:

“When I was a child,” Theodora said lazily, “—'many years ago,‟ Doctor, as you put it so tactfully—I was whipped for throwing a brick through a greenhouse roof. I remember I thought about it for a long time, remembering the whipping but remembering also the lovely crash, and after thinking about it very seriously I went out and did it again

The variation from the show also includes something along the lines about "I learned a lot about my own mother that day. Taught her, too." which I completely forgot is such a movie special but. I think was also so vital to why I loved that line and wanted to include a nod to it. Like. I've already talked about this but i wanna reiterate that I do not feel bad making motherhood comparisons w/ Jace and the clones b/c he is their creator! He is their frankenstein! Anyway, the imagery of like, getting satisfaction out of doing something destructive, and then doubling down out. Even if you get repercussions from your parent. Or maybe because of that. Maybe spite is the motivator. It was so striking. I think we tend to get this perception of J2 as this soft baby boy but this is one of my fav moments of his because it's so impotent and petulant. It's so him trashing a bathroom to have some semblance of power. J2 has so little power, but he can destroy Jace's favorite mug! (also, yes it was a complicated woman podcast mug. Also in IYWD Jace mentions the fact that he started bringing crappy mugs to work bc his kept disappearing and this was kinda a nod to that.)

"I—Fuck, Porter! Why don’t you just tell me what to do!" Ok, this is also pretty broad. Pulling from a few things here. I mean. This is very Pearl-coded to me. I still think about that scene to garnet where she says "I'm useless on my own. I need someone to tell me what to do". Also Please don't laugh, I have an old Hugh grant comedy that's my favorite and there's a scene where the son is having an argument w/ his mom and when he says "Because we never have any discussions, we have an argument, and you always win! Why don't you just tell me what to do" and she goes "Because I want you to think for yourself!" and then he's like fine then mom its not up to you if hugh grant is my friend even if he did pretend to have a two year old son so he could sleep with the single moms at the single parent support group. I love this movie btw. which i've already said like the paternal connotations to godhood mean i don't feel TOO bad when Porter's vibe gets weird and paternal. There's also a definite "I want someone to tell me what to wear in the morning. I want someone to tell me what to wear every morning fleabag vibe. I mean. Who said that.

“I—I’m not a consolation prize, Porter,” I think this is technically broad enough to not be a when harry met sally reference, but Sally does say this to Harry when he's trying to apologize to her and he's basically like "lol if neither of us have a date to the new york party we can go together" which. If that's not the vibe for whats going on. Filling in a spot because the other person is lonely.

“I want you. I’m only here for so long, and all I know is. I like you, ok?” and “I think you’re right.” J2 is working to keep his voice steady. “We both know that I was made for you. Literally. But more importantly… I like you. I know that much.” This is such a weird pull but this is such a Parks and Rec "I love you and I like you" (evil version) for me. I think there's such an interesting distinction between like and love. There's something so sad about J2 trying to insist, to me anyway, that he would also choose this even if he wasn't destined to love Porter due to being Of Jace. Love is destiny, but "like"? Like has the connotation of. Friendship. New feelings, innocence, juvenile. Just enjoying each other's company. J2 has so little, and he enjoys being around Porter. He loves Porter, but he likes him. It's... almost... adolescent. But it's also very. Forget the sweeping romance. I would do laundry and taxes with you.

“I like you, too, Bluejay.” I mean. Barely a reference but we all know Bluejay is so Hey, little Songbird coded from hadestown. I've joked about this but legit i was so so so so so terrified to give J2 a nickname to individualize him b/c i was so scared of completely blowing it. And I was just like. This is BARELY an individualization. He likes blue. Is that the dumbest thing ever. Obviously the concept of ownership is so prevalent in almost, and J2 is so comforts of a gilded cage coded. He's the precious gift, the one who learns to love the cage that Jace rejects. He's ESPECIALLY hey little songbird coded to me, b/c it's about Jace running away (Persephone) and Porter finding someone else to replace him (Eurydice).

“Hey. What’s with the silent treatment?” says Porter. “Cat gotch’er tongue?” Um. Hey. Little songbird. Cat got your tongue? Always a pity for one so pretty and young... No excuse.

I'll pair it with Porter rises from his desk, and J2 is in the embrace of his arms. and It feels so good being in Porter’s arms. and “I can make it go away,” says Porter, so softly—tenderly—even as he tightens his grasp on J2, secure. etc etc. Because that's not like. As on the nose but that's ALL Hadestown comforts of a gilded cage imagery. Someone who could love these walls that hold her close, and keep her safe, and think of them as my embrace. etc etc. Just. This idea of J2 running away from somthing and straight into the trap that was so heartbreaking to me. "Strange is the call of this strange man. I wanna fly down and feed at this hand. I want a nice soft place to land. I wanna lie down forever." etc. Even as he's getting this like. Horrible revelation about the truth of what Porter did to jace, and he's feeling this new fear that this could be him, he was built to find comfort here. He was raised to find comfort here. Porter wants everything. And J2 owns nothing, not even himself. "Seeing as you've got nothing to lose, and I could use a canary"

To go to something... maybe funnier? Maybe not. Again. Silly pull. J2 sniffs. Finally, he braves a look up, blinking back tears as he says, “Can… you just hold me a little longer?” Porter’s smile makes him forget all else. “Of course.” Like. This doesn't take place in chapter 7, but to me, this is the smoking gun that J2 and Porter were always going to sleep together (i mean, they already have, but in a Mega Turbo Detect Thoughts Sex Trick Orgasm Way). This is actually something from When Harry Met Sally! Sally says this to harry when she's crying about her ex getting married. And he holds her and gives her a kiss and this is the first time they sleep together. Like this is so Hurt/Comfort (evil version) of that scene to me, and the nature of like, comfort that turns into sexual tension is fascinating to me. And like. There's something so comedic and pathetic and cloying about the way she asks it too. Like. The desperation but also the slight comedy of it.

I'll also say, if you wanna read this into it too. I do this this is All I've Ever Known (evil version). "all i've ever known is how to hold my own, but now I wanna hold you, hold you close, I don't wanna ever have to let you go. Now I wanna hold you hold you tight, I don't wanna go back to the lonely life" etc etc

 “He still loves you, you know.” / Jace is... “ —A good guy,” he insists hard, / “I—I know we are… of the same. But—I don’t understand it. If—” / “Porter, gods, Porter, if I loved you the way my master loves you…” / "How does he love me?”  OK. So this entire scene is a little bit Handmaiden coded in that it's like. Ohhhh what if we were fucking and I was pretending to do this in service of teaching you what the person you're supposed to be with and what they would do this is just instructional i prommyyyyy.

But Also this whole Thing to me I was taking on a kind of. Like. Reverse Twelfth Night thing? Like, the concept is very much closer to Orsino and Viola's deal, in that Viola loves Orsino while Orsino loves olivia (Say that some lady, as perhaps there is, hath for your love as great a pant of heart as you have for Olivia! You cannot love her, you tell her so. Must she not then be answered?". "I am all the daughters of my father's house. And all the brothers too") But I do really like the idea of Viola having to convey the depth of Orsino's longing for Olivia by using her own pining for Orsino. That's littered throughout this scene. There are a ton of nods to the exchange. "How does he love me" is a direct quote. There's also this:

If I did love you in my master’s flame, With such a suff’ring, such a deadly life, In your denial I would find no sense. I would not understand it.

But yeah it's this idea of like. J2 is channelling jace and getting extremely horny about it. He's imainging the depth of Jace's longing and he finds it genuinely moving. He things Porter deserves that. but also. J2 is using his own longing here, and essentially giving Porter a gift because he knows the depth of that longing would mean more to Porter if it was from Jace. Which of these is the truth? Maybe both

"With adorations. With fertile tears. With groans that thunder love. With sighs of fire" This is the only thing that is like. A direct quotation of something Viola says in Twelfth Night, and I just think its so horny and honestly? Effective. Why ruin a good thing?

OK! Last one!

J2 is getting what he wants. He gets to be by Porter's side, despite the risk. (And in his memories, Jace looks so happy. Doesn't Porter deserve that, too?) So why does this feel like… death? Like he’s dissolving into snow—dissipating in the warmth of the sun? That’s how it works, right? He doesn’t know that much, but it feels true, doesn’t it? When your heart breaks, you should die.

Like.... Am i gonna get stoned for this? Do I have the right in invoke Tony Kushner? Do i deserve this? I'm being so real here, this is one of those "janelle is using paradise lost to talk abt jaceporter" things that just feels deeply WRONG.

Anyway. This is 100% and Angels in America reference. And I... It feels a little wrong to put Jaceporter fanfiction and such a beautiful piece of art in the same breath but here we are. The line is:  "I don’t understand why I’m not dead. When your heart breaks, you should die. But there’s still the rest of you." Like... I just think that line is so sad and beautiful. Am... Am I allowed to do this??? Like. It doesn't feel right. It felt right to put it there. It was so clear in my mind. It just felt so emotionally true... J2 is so green... And it's this like. Invocation that he's a person but he's a simulacra. he's animated snow. How does being a person even work. How does it work when you've been robbed of your purpose?

It's just. That's how it should work, right? When your heart breaks, you should die.

Anyway. Thank you for my long winded nonsense. Genuinely sorry this took so long.

[falllpoutboy]

here’s the thing, if J/M do break up before award season is going to be a bit awkward if both attend these events. I’m sure M would enjoy because it steers up drama but she seems immature so I bet the breakup would make her angry and petty- I mean imagine if J/A are back on good terms and how she would just have to deal with that all night? I wonder if they are gonna keep this relationship going until then. J2 and M just side eyeing them all night LMAO. I just hope this whole thing is done before s4 filming and I hope they finished her scenes.

she can seethe, they can both seethe. or even better not come

[hellhoundsprey]

proximity

Title: proximity Link: https://archiveofourown.org/works/51593410 Ship: J2, Jared/Milo Rating: explicit Tags: college!AU, jealousy, long-distance relationship, breakup, phone sex, filming sex, unhealthy relationship, seduction, breathplay, slut shaming, fat shaming, and they were roommates Characters: Jared Padalecki, Milo Ventigmilia, Jensen Ackles Word Count: 15.4 k Summary: Long-distance relationships are complicated even without your man driving himself up the walls about your roommate—for no reason whatsoever, we might add. Milo should know how loyal Jared is. Jensen is just…Jensen.

[fogsrollingin]

Lazarus Rising by cherie_morte. Explicit, J2, 61k words. Summary: Jared’s had a rough year. His boyfriend dumped him and he's out of work, saddled with a pile of student loan debt after dropping out of school to care for a sick relative. Hoping to cheer him up, his sister enters him into a contest for an unusual prize: ten days alone with world famous rock star Jensen Ackles, Jared's childhood hero. No cameras, no entourage, just a chance to get to know one of the biggest names in music one-on-one. Jared wins, but it's not the dream come true it should be. It's been a long time since Jensen's glory days, and he's fallen on hard times himself. Fresh out of his fourth stint in rehab, Jensen is now better known for his bad attitude and party lifestyle than his music. When he arrives, Jensen turns out to be even worse than the tabloids say. Jared can hardly stand him and the feeling seems to be mutual, but Jensen's label is offering a generous per diem and Jared needs the money almost as much as Jensen needs the good press. As the days pass and Jared begins to see through Jensen’s bad boy act, he discovers a heart that beats to the same broken rhythm as his own. But ten days go quickly, and it's hard to imagine a future outside of the quiet world they've shared in Jared's home. https://archiveofourown.org/works/24868333 Oh my gosh I'm not usually one for mundane AUs and especially not rock star ones but OMG I was up until 3 reading last night reading this & then woke up & DELAYED GOING TO WORK to finish it 😂😂😂 The pacing of the emotional beats and the character development and the ways they found compatibility with one another. This was such a brilliant romance. I adored how cherie_morte wrote these characters so comprehensively, their whole deep lives, tracing back to super formative memories that still makes them who they are now, and then how they legitimately mature with one another during the story. I LOVED this. Added to my favorite spn mundane AU fics reclist.

Bring the Fire by zarah5. Mature, J2, 60k. Summary: After a bad breakup and a subsequent move to join the Homicide Squad in New York, the last thing Jared Padalecki wants is a dangerously attractive, adrenaline-seeking, and almost certainly straight new partner. Unfortunately, that's exactly what he gets.  https://archiveofourown.org/works/33656443 This was a charming romance with some light angst. I loved how possessive Jensen's character came to be, especially because it was kinda against his will. Like, he never wanted to be so fond of Jared and he battles that for awhile as Jared just keeps being a sweetheart. I liked the action too, the climax was riveting and J2 are bamfs. Excellent Law Enforcement AU aka another mundane AU fics reclist (PS at some point the mundane AU reclist will split off into its own subcategories like Law Enforcement AUs)

[ashtraythief]

I notice in that, “so you think Sam and Dean want to have sex post?” It says that only one of them realizes how messed up that is. I have to admit I dropped off the last couple of seasons and only watched the finale. Seasons one through five hold my heart, and I’ve re-watched them like a million times. But yeah, I don’t know what they mean… Which Winchester knows how messed up it is? I think maybe Dean, though I do feel like he’s the one that’s most devoted to Sam. I mean, both of them are devoted. Do you know what that line means haha?

Oh, what an interesting question in response to this beautiful post. (I have no idea what OP meant and it seems the account is deactivated, but since you asked, here are my two cents. Which are different from your idea, so this should be interest 😅) My initial gut reaction thought was Sam. Sam knows. Because in the beginning of Supernatural, Sam's the "normal" one. He's the one who wanted a normal, apple pie life, he's the one who went to college, who broke out of their weird isolated family unit. And when he goes back on the road with Dean at the beginning of season one, he firmly plans to go back on the road, even stays in touch with his friends. Dean's the one who wants Sam back, who wants to go back to their original family unit which arguably was isolated from most other people, and didn't give the boys the opportunity to have longer friendships. Dean's totally fine with it, wants it back, while Sam wants his Stanford life. Or so he thinks. What I find really interesting is now that their dad is gone from the equation, Sam no longer wants to leave Dean. I'm not sure when he decides, Scarecrow is definitely a game changer and then of course Dean makes a deal. And here is the big shift. Like Dean's the originally insane one who sells his fucking souls because he can't bear for Sam to die, but once Dean's life and soul is threatened, oh boy. We saw glimpses of Sam's devotion to Dean throughout seasons one and two, like in Faith where he didn't look the gift horse of pastor Roy in the mouth until Dean makes him investigate the deaths. And then season three, my beloved. Sam's descent into madness trying to save Dean. Working with a demon? Sure, why not. Sam's careful (lol). Using an evil, organ-snatching doctor's formula? Let's do it! Yeah, Dean's soul selling was nuts, but Sam is right there with him. And then there's season five, where Dean splits from Sam because they're each other's weakness and the bad guys know it too. Sam's the one here who's protesting, Dean needs to time travel to get out of his head. And I think from then on forward, both of them know and just kinda don't care? Dean has this phase at the beginning of season 6 where he thinks he can have it both, the normal life with Lisa and Ben and hunting with Sam and sure, the breakup is forced by his vampire misstep (honestly, the writers were cowards here, they should have let them break up slowly and painfully because Dean was on the road more than he was at home which is what I think inevitably would have happened if he hadn't gone all aggressive vamp on Ben and made Lisa break up with him), but Dean still chooses Sam. And then they keep choosing each other. No matter what the writers throw at them lol, they overcome it. And I think towards the end, the late season domestic phase post season ten, I think they both know how weird it is, and they just don't care. They're good with who they are. And while the last five season have the weakest myth arcs and I think mostly weak motw eps, Sam and Dean's relationship, the fact that they chose each other again and again and are now settled and domestic and a unit that is happy being a unit which is so earned after all the bullshit, all of this portrayed by J2's insane chemistry, that was the part that made the other crap bearable. And that's what allowed the show to beautifully culminate in Carry On.

[youre-only-gay-once]

funniest explanation for misha collins not doing a cas cameo in spnwin is that after spending 11 years there he actually really, really does NOT want to back on the hellhole that is the spn set but he also doesn't want to have a j2 fallout style twitter breakup so he's hiding over at gotham knights in hopes that spnwin doesn't get renewed

[j2zara]

I think Jace + the Jaces is a rock band but post band breakup j2 does solo drop But Daddy I Love Him in my heart

[hauntedwizardmoment]

somehow lj3 breakup needs to involve ellie semi-unironically saying “go and tell your friends that i’m obsessive and crazy, i’ll tell mine you’re gay”

edit: the friends in question are just j2. like it’s literally both of them talking shit about each other to j2