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doyouremem8erme · 9 months ago

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somebody told me that terezi was a bad character on instagram so im gonna write an essay on why shes my fave character

first off her sheer chaotic energy is fucking iconic. the complaint on instagram wasnt about that because it cant be denied but shes just fucking insane and i love her for it. i think shed bite off my fingers and then insult the taste of my skin. shes just so crazy and weird and murderous and nerdy and i love her for it. we all know this. but theres a lot of her character that is so overlooked.

heres an essay on why metatextually and narratively, terezi is one of (if not THE) most important characters in homestuck and how that connects to her relationship with vriska.

vriska and terezi are described by hussie like this:

This is the most important character relationship resulting from all the sound and fury of Hivebent's chaotic dispensation... It's the arguable axis around which the whole epic revolves, when you really study all the ramifications from the fallout resulting from their rivalry, ensuing revenge cycle, and mutually floundering struggle for redemption, in the warped way each of them defines that idea.

so i mean even HUSSIE acknowledges that theyre important. and of course we all know vriska is obsessed with trying to be at the center of the narrative and you could say she pulls terezi into that but thats NOT what happens between them.

so terezi meets vriska at some undetermined young age and they flarp together and become close very quickly as seen in terezis memories in remem8er. and when all the drama in hivebent goes down you really see that they arent just stable in their quadrants but that their codependency plays into this vacillation in a really twisted way.

Another snapshot of the tortured Scourge Sisters dynamic, in a long tale of angst and ambivalence concerning justice and morality. Terezi wrestles with this eternally. She wants to bring Vriska to justice. But she doesn't. She does, doesn't, does, doesn't. Vriska thrashes back and forth in a different way. I'm sorry, see how sorry I am? Isn't being sorry ENOUGH? What more do you want? I'm sorry, not sorry, sorry, not sorry. And being not sorry takes the form of lashing out, incrimination, daring Terezi into action, calling her bluff, etc. So her vacillation is more like, I'm sorry, fuck you, I'm sorry, you don't have the guts, I'm sorry, just kill me already! The dangerous dance goes on and on.

so yes. vrisrezi good. vrisrezi complex. but what makes this even more tragic is how they act as the ultimate doomed yuri. before remem8er, terezi talks about a lot of heavy feelings she hasnt really let on before.

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she talks about her sense of incompleteness in a way that reminds me of the way you see space players experience loneliness--which is cool given that mind as an aspect has some parallels to both space and time. and she talks about how shes never been complete on her own. going back to the instagram post i saw that said she doesnt feel rounded enough on her own--thats the point. so much of her character is defined by vriska that its a part of her own identity and a tragic part of her actual experiences. theres another hussie quote which is about vriska but still applicable--

For instance, you could write dozens of paragraphs of meta on Vriska alone. But the moment you stop writing about Vriska in a vacuum, and start writing about Vriska x Terezi, the avenues of analysis seem endless. It's a circuitous, psychologically tortured mutual arc of competitive codependency, which on closer inspection serves as the axis around which virtually the entire plot revolves.

her codependency with vriska is one of the most central components of the entire narrative. without terezi's internal torment over vriska there would be no homestuck as we know it. [s] flip and the aftermath of game over (F1X TH1S) are among the most important moments in the entire story and both are defined by vriska and terezi's dynamic.

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im including this stuff without much commentary because it just acts as illustration of how much more depth to terezi than just crazy murdery lawyer dragon girl. yes, shes tormented over vriska and how she lost her in another timeline and all the choices shes made in different worlds but its also about her. her dependency on vriska is a symptom of this deep deep loneliness she holds inside her. theres something to be said about her lack of a lusus and specficially the fact that her lusus's egg was held on a scale weighing it against sburb-associated machinery

the prevention of her loneliness is always doomed. she has no lusus--but in order to have one, the world would have to end. she has vriska--but she loses her in every single timeline without fail. she flirts with the humans--but kills john in one timeline and dooms a dave in another. she cannot pursue intimacy or friendship or any form of relationship without losing both her loved ones along with everything else. its not just that she doesnt have a lusus--its that her lusus hatching will end the world. its not just that she loses vriska--its that in no timeline we see do they get a happy ending, and the closest they get in being erased from reality in each others arms.

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she is tormented by so much more than just vriska. and i talk about this through so much angsty and dramatic words but its really true that shes so tragic. and tragedy isnt the only reason to love her because shes also so silly and crazy and weird and offputting etc but the instagram post that pissed me off so badly said that she became uninteresting after the earlier-comic characterizations of her with her bloodthirsty lawyer/executioner persona.

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she says it here. yes she is weird and silly but beyond the parts of it that are engrained into her personality it seems to be (at least in part) an act to cover up how messed up she feels inside. she is so full of shenanigans and whatnot and doesnt display her issues the way a lot of characters do (even the prospit kids who are so known for repressing their emotions show more signs of distress that terezi does, to the point that hussie made sure to note that her distress was genuine when her lusus died!)

More great and very imaginative sound effects. "GENUINE" seems like maybe it's an unnecessary qualifier, until you consider that Terezi is so full of shit, many things she does could be considered ungenuine. So it pays to point out when she is sad for real, like when her newborn baby mom dies.

vriska, downright infamous for being surrounded in discourse around the context of her actions, is even more obvious than terezi. she too plays up an act of her unfazed coolness about all the stuff she does but shes less extreme about it in such a way that its more obvious when she slips a bit in that facade. when terezi is distressed she usually doesnt show it at all because her layers of weird silliness are too thick. shes just a lot better at the whole violent killing stuff than vriska is! you can see this in vriskas breakdown in vrisky business:

vriska has a total breakdown over realizing shell need to learn to hunt after losing her arm and she says this:

bascially saying that that prime difference between them is that vriska, yes, has learned to be ruthless and violent and manipulative (and was never a good person in the first place but it was her lusus that shaped her into being like this) while terezi never had that stress. she could do whatever she wanted and be as wild as she wished which is why she grew into the crazy troll girl who is the most important character in homestuck. with why i love her out of the way its some analysis timeeeeee.

i already mentioned how important flip and f1x th1s are but i wanna dive into that.

terezi exhibits an understanding of sburb's timelines better than anyone else, even time players, letting her do things like lead dave to her own doomed self on his quest bed, and it becomes clear that this is the nature of her mind powers, combined with a seer's intuition. she has many traits that involve seeing through different barriers, if that makes sense--she can navigate the world by forming a mental image of her surroundings by smell and taste after going blind, and she sees through the layers of sburb's bizarreness just as easily.

[s] flip is one of the first places this ability is used in a way this vital to the progression of the main plot--she uses her powers to stop vriska from dooming them all.

Any divergence from this path to my knowing will taper into blackness like rotting roots. But if I was a Seer, such offshoots would be fully within my domain... A Seer would support her allies in battle not with her weapons, but her vision. She would sift through dross of her comrades' poor tactical inclinations and examine the grim consequences. A Seer would not charge into the fray headlong but direct it as a conductor with a baton. She would have the sight to eschew the obvious gambits, and find the path to victory disguised cleverly as setback, or even imminent defeat. She would behold the fortunes of friends and foes in totality, and appraise the contrivance of luck itself...A true Seer would know where luck is a given, where it is absent, and most importantly, where it doesn't matter at all. And she would know victory doesn't matter in a reality where all else is doomed to fail.

being from doc scratch this is ofc not 100% reliable information but its still some good meta. the last couple lines really emphasize her narrative place--as a seer, she is aware of the big picture, and as a seer of mind, she is more specifically aware of the branching timelines formed in sburb. she is a mastermind behind the plot but lacks the tools to truly direct it. (and i will also go ahead and point out the line about acting as a conductor since thats a very important symbol in homestuck representing movements of the story much like an orchestral symphony.

the actual conductors we see are the cherubs, calliope in particular. calliope and caliborn are characters with actual narrative power (caliborn takes over the whole story!) so its pretty impressive to be compared to that.

but it turns out terezi does in fact have a place in the story almost at this level of power.

it's revealed that the initial version of the events following the coinflip were in terezi's vision:

and that she turned around on that initial path to prevent it from happening. on its own, this isnt that significant. but this moment is the moment that the retcons revolve around, with an entire axis of the plot centered around this single moment between vriska and terezi woven together with terezi's visions and powers.

john may be the one to carry out the actual retcons, but terezi is both the one who ordered him to do so and the orchestrator of the entire narrative rewrite. this is the moment when she raises the conductors baton. this is why i refer to terezi rewriting the universe, not john.

all john did was use his powers to carry out the list of instructions that terezi used her powers to develop. most of them are of arguable vitality but the one that truly changes everything is the rewriting of vriska's death. by doing this, terezi is the reason why homestuck does not end in the disaster of game over. were it not for terezi, homestuck would have a far more tragic ending that the bittersweet conclusion we're actually left with. there are many characters who display a level of narrative control--vriska pulling the spotlight towards herself and being somewhat aware that a narrative like homestuck exists; the very existence of john's powers; doc scratch's role as a stand-in narrator on a level comparable to hussie's avatar; caliborn's narrative takeover in act 6 and ascension to lord english; calliope's role as a storyteller of the existing narrative--the list goes on. but terezi's actions are perhaps the most significant, even if her level of control is nowhere close, rewriting the story of homestuck entirely. she does get the password pages in there, which i'll definitely count as a sort of metanarrative presence in the presentation of the comic (like caliborn and doc scratch's site rethemes). yes, john does the necessary actions to achieve this end, but would not have been able to do so without the anchor points of terezi's direction of the plot.

and once again, this is inseparable from her relationship with vriska. yes, she does this to give another timeline a chance at victory, and to carry on her story in another life as she dies in the pre-retcon timelines, but it's also for vriska. killing vriska broke terezi as much as it broke the narrative and so rewriting canon for vriska gives that other version of herself a second chance. there is not point in leaving vriska out of this because the relationship between the two and the push and pull of their tumultuous dynamic is what is at the heart of the narrative--not one or the other.

and even with such a significant role, she is still bound to her fate outside of the changes john can make. im gonna bring back some dialogue from earlier--

she does not have the godlike narrative position that the cherubs achieve. shes not even a godtier! and thats another part of what makes her so tragic. she knows enough about sburb to navigate it and play it to her advantage but not enough to gain the self fulfillment she wants.

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highlighting this part, her seer abilities are both her greatest power over the narrative and one of her most tragic parts.

she has access to infinite timelines and choices and can tell how things will turn out but she cant simply unlock those realities and memories beyond her experiences. having the access to the memories of a better life also isnt necessarily a plus.

the access to this knowledge seems to be a part of why she is so internally desperate for answers. the solution is right there seemingly but just out of reach. and in this desperate moment of trying to unlock those answers?

she remem8ers. (and i know the title of the flash is a reference to the song used in it but i will also point out just how vrisrezi it is to have her desperate attempts to recall her other self's memories be written in vriska's typing quirk)

at the end of this flash, terezi and vriska are about to be literally wiped from reality forever. and yet, they face that end smiling in each others arms. they are no longer relevant. there is no narrative significance to this moment. but its still what terezi needed to see in order to fulfill that part of herself.

um. i spent all day writing this in my free time. enjoy.

terezi save me. save me. terezi. terezi. terezi save me

#lore talks #homestuck #terezi pyrope #vrisrezi #homestuck analysis #homestuck meta

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criticalbennifer · 2 years ago

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Tom Hanks & Ben Affleck

Moderated by Lynn Hirschberg

At 41, Tom Hanks is the biggest star of his generation: back-to-back Oscars fro his lead roles in "Philadelphia" and "Forrest Gump"; total domestic box-office receipts in the last 10 years of $ 1.3 billion, and a reputation as a very nice guy. Ben Affleck pretty much summed up the industry's feeling about Hanks when he strode into the Regent Beverly Wilshire Hotel and exclaimed, "When I told them I was comining to talk with Tom Hanks, they let me off work today." "They" are the people making "Armageddon," a big-budget, Bruce Willis-starring action movie in which Affleck, who is 25, will also star. He was the lead in "Chasing Amy", and co-wrote "Good Will Hunting"; now he is venturing into the world of megamovies for the first time. Hanks, who starred in "Splash" and never looked back, has in the 90's known nothing but the studios. "Don't let them corrupt you," Hanks teases, as Affleck settles himself onto a couch. "And end up like you? Never," Affleck shoots back, laughing. Both actors are easy with each other, as if they were old buddies. True to his reputation, Hanks is funny and disarming; Affleck is ambitious but not smarmy. They are somewhat alike; comfortable with the spotlight and engagingly confident of their appeal.

Affleck: When you started, were Roger Corman films the only independent movies?

Hanks: Well, everybody then was making, essentially, slasher movies. Knife-rack movies, where the girl is washing the dishes and she hears a noise. Right next to her on the counter is a knife rack and it's got eight knives in it, and she goes off and looks around and says, Gee, there's nobody outside. And then she comes back and keeps washing the dishes and then you realize there are only seven knives in the knife rack. That's how I started. Those movies were made for like $800, 000. Which is to say, independents didn't get the kind of respect back then that they do now.

Affleck: They have respect now?

Hanks: [laughs] Sure. Of course, independents are not nearly as independent as they used to be. They're all owned by megaglobal corporations now. Partly thats because things have gotten vastly more expensive - the average cost of a studio movie in 1980 was probably about $8 million. Ten million was an expensive movie.

Affleck: "Top Gun" was maybe a $14 million movie. And in '97 dollars, that's $20 million, which now would be a modestly budgeted movie. "Top Gun", which made $177 million or something in this country. Do you pay attention to the business side of the business.

Hanks: I do in the same way I pay attention to how the Seahawks did on Sunday. Like a football fan.

Affleck: I think everybody is sort of fascinated by it. Haven't you noticed an increasing sort of attention now? All the box-office returns are printed in all of the newspapers - it's not just Variety. And people get really involved in it now. I don't think that was the case so long ago.

Hanks: No. When I was growing up, I thought "Black Sunday" was the biggest hit of all time just because it had the big ads. I had no idea how these things were made. And the rare movie would be brought up as an example of something. Like I always heared that "Cleopatra" cost a lot of money and didn't make it back. I mean, that's about it. But now you can read in the Red Bluff Daily News that "The Peacemaker" only fell off 17 percent.

Affleck: The big home-run thing is the goal. Somebody says "Independence Day" made a billion dollars and you think, Well, that's big news. Although you never hear Procter & Gamble saying, We sold baby powder to the tune of $290 million this year.

Hanks: Well, Procter & Gamble doesn't have Will Smith.

Affleck: That's true.

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Affleck: When Matt Damon and I wrote a script, "Good WIll Hunting," we saw it as a way in. But we never thought anyone would see it.

Hanks: But it was good enough. That's really what the lifeblood of this whole thing is: there is nothing more valuable than a good idea.

Affleck: I want to write more screenplays.

Hanks: Well, you must have some time there on the set of "Armageddon."

Affleck: A little bit.

Hanks: You're sitting in your trailer.

Affleck: Yeah, I've had some time. Yesterday I didn't shoot till 6:30 a night. Came in at 8 in the morning: all right, let's go! It's been 24 days and, on an independen movie, we would be done by now. On "Armageddon," We probably shot a minute and a half of screen time. I didn't say a line all week. And I have a big part. I mean, I'm the only guy there. You think of action films as frenetic and cazy and it's actually much more boring.

Hanks: I have never made an out-and-out action film. And they are boring. i've talked to guys like Bruce Willis. Movie stars have a lot of friends hanging around on the set because there's nothing to do. How long can you play video games in your trailer?

Affleck: You need an entourage. I'm trying to get an entourage. No one will be my entourage.

Hanks: I'm going to hire you to be my guy, and please, bring a deck ocards. Because, man, we have hours in which nothing goes on. You're sitting there by yourself, somebody probably knocks on your trailer door to tell you you're released for lunch. By the way, the stunt guy just rooled off the wing of the airplane - it looked really good.

Affleck: They say, Yeah, you just went through some fire. Oh, I did? That was really brave of me. I'm glad I did that. Am I doing it again?

Hanks: Are you planning to go back and forth between the independents and the studios?

Affleck: People tend to see this stark contrast between independent and studio movies, but "dogma", the next Kevin Smith movie, which I'm going to be in, has a higher budget than "Chasing Amy", which cost $225,000 to get in the can.

Hanks: Wow. Isn't that great?

Affleck: It was kind of great, except, I was sleeping on Kevin's couch. So, it's like, you know, I've got to pay my rent. But you can't make every movie that way. "Dogma" is a $5 milliion movie, and by Hollywood standards, that's wildly low budget, but it's kind of exorbitant fo Kevin. It's his "Heaven's Gate."

Hanks: [laughing] It doesn't matter what the cost is. You feel an amount of responsibility anyway. I can tell you that me an Bob Zemeckis on "Forrest Gump" were looking at each other every day saying, Is anybody going to care? there are some photographs of me and him on the world-famous park bench there in Savannah and we've got the script pages in our hands, and we've got the obligatory coffee cups, and we're just sitting there looking at each other saying, What the heel are we doing here? Because you have no idea if the thing is going to work. Bob says, It's a mine field, pal, it's a mine firled. Who knows if we're going to step on something that's going to kill us? But that's the same if you're making a little movie about two people in a car at a gas station. Who knows if anybody's going to show up? Because it could still be good, and no one's going to show up. That's another thing that is gospel according to Zemeckis. "Movies are binary," he says. "They're eighter zero or theyre one." Meaning, you don't rate them between 1 and 10. It either works or it does not work, and there's nothing you can do about it. Except make another one. If you have that chance.

Affleck: The business is fickle. How many movies that are perceived as failures do you get before they stop giving you work? How many chances do you get before....

Hanks: Before you just drop off the face of the planet? You can still do stuff, it's just that you aren't going to be getting your big fee. But when it comes down to that mainstream, top-of-the-line, green-lighted, every-body-wants-to-make-it movie of the moment, where the studios are all jockeying, trying to get the people signed, well, you might not be able to be involved in that heady atmosphere. But there's still stuff you can do.

Affleck: Do you sweat it?

Hanks: Well, sometimes you're in there and sometimes you're not. In an odd way, I think there are more people in that heady atmosphere now than there ever has been. And here's the odd thing too: you're only one movie away from being there.

Affleck: Really?

Hanks: You're only one movie away from being there or being up on the stage at the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion - you're only one movie away.

Affleck: So was "Big" that movie for you?

Hanks: It was "Splash." I made this one thing that everybody else turned down, and based on that, suddenly I'm a guy that people want in their movie. That was it.

Affleck: Do you get offered everything? Would you do an independent film?

Hanks: Sure, I mean, I'm in a pretty good position. Because No. 1, how much better can I eat? I mean, I;'m doing fine. So that frees me up to do an awful lot of stuff. It's never about money. It's always about what the story is.

Affleck: Well, if you're an independent and Tom Hanks wants to do your movie, any major distributor is going to look at that movie. And then it's not an independent movie, but it's the exact same movie.

Hanks: So what's an independent movie?

Affleck: Well, I would guess the real definition of an independent movie is that it is financed independently. But what if your movie is financed by investores who are accustomed to investing in microchips? Well, it's not Paramount or Warner Brothers, but it is Sun Microsystems, and they have ideas about how they think it should be, and so you're getting notes from people like that.

Hanks: Really? I didn't know. It's hard enough to get this stuff done without having notes from Sun Mcrosystems. [laughter] "We fell that the character of Jasmin should be different. On page 30, could she say something about her father?"

Affleck: "Couldn't the sisters take a shower together maybe?" [laughter]

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Affleck: Mostly, I think there's a difference between movies that are less expensive and therefore can afford to take more risks, and movies that cost more and, therefore, inherently need to appeal to a much wider range of people. And I think the conventional wisdom is that, in order to appeal to a wider audience, you have to have a few kind of prerequisites, like stars.

Hanks: Now you're talking about the thing that I think really does affect us all in the movie business - the marketing wing. In all honesty, it takes more precedence than other aspects of movie making. They want to make good movies, and they want to make unique movies, but you know what? There are guys who ran studios that said to Zemeckis, You cannot released a movie called "Forrest Gump" on July 8. You're going to be killed. And the exact same thing was true of "Pulp Fiction." Which was something that was sort of missed in the "Pulp Fiction-Forrest Gump" superbowl of 1995. Which we won by the way!

Affleck: They both made money, they both won awards.

Hanks: You know that as soon as they start handing out those things, it's all finished. [laughter] You know, you get invited, it's a great night, you dress up, your girl looks fabulous.

Affleck: You make a great speech. Your speech inspires a big movie.

Hanks: "In and Out." That's temendous. I must say I have got some of the best reviews of my careet for a movie that I wasn't even in. But back to marketing. The audience is standing in line, and they have their $7 in their hands, and they're standing in front of the sign that has, at the minimum, probably seven titles on it. And they have to figure out which one of those movies they are going to see That's the thing that scares the marketing people to death. They want to be the only movie that everybody wants to see. And, of course, that's kind of like the antithesis of the chaos of the free and open marketplace. Which, in fact, does allow independent movies to be made and viewed. The whole marketing thing is just something you have to overcome. And it is hard. You know, when the marketing wing has a very clear definition of what the movie is, and it is not the movie you think you made, that is a big, big problem

Affleck: Did you know anything about marketing before you started acting?

Hanks: You're talking to a guy who, in his first movie, meets a mermaid named Daryl Hannah, and the next thing I know, man, I went off on a tear for probably six years of never not working.

Affleck: In "Splash", you get the girl. Have you found that studious want to put a happy ending on movies?

Hanks: No. There is no secret recipe got success. But, if you're a studio and you're going to be spending this vast, huge chunck of money, you must have safety factors built in. Maybe one of those safety factors is the happy ending. In spite of the fact that with "Independence Day" millions of people are dead - the entire world - and still half the audience walks off laughing, Hah, hah, hah, hah! [laughter] Or they bet on the idea of the big, bankable movie star. But the thing is, the formula is inaccurate because the audience is hip now. People are incredibly hungry for that thing that is brand-new. They are. As soon as they get a whiff that there's something brand-new out there, they will show up in droves.

Affleck: Which is only one movie away.

Hanks: You got it.

#ben affleck #press/article #new york times

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gale-gentlepenguin · 4 years ago

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ML What If 4B

(Previous part)

(What if Luka Learned the Truth in Truth?)

This is Option B which was the second most requested

(B. Adrien says they will runaway together.

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-“I am glad I got to tell you before I forget.” Marinette spoke softly.

-She kisses him.

-“Good bye, My kitty.”

-Marinette prepared to renounce her Guardianship. Until Adrien covered her lips.

-“Wait!”

-Marinette stops.

-"That can't be the best option. If you lose your memory, then I still have to fight Shadowmoth on my own, and you will still be targeted."

-Marinette thinks for a moment. Adrien had a point. Sure if she forgot, she couldn't give up any useful information, but that just put all of the responsibility of chat noir. Shadowmoth knows Chat noir deeply cares about her... so she would STILL be targeted. As would her family and friends.

-Marinette felt despair. Adrien was right.

-"Then what can we do?"

-"We run away."

-Marinette blinked.

-"We can't just abandon the city."

-"Its for the sake of Paris that we do. Shadowmoth is only interested in the miraculous. He will pursue us anywhere we go. So we run and try and find a solution."

-"Adrien... but what about your life?"

-"You are losing more then I am bugaboo..." Adrien admitted.

-"We need to make a few preparations.

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-Shadowmoth dispatched the police with ease. Now trying to figure out how to pursue Ladybug and Chat noir.

-The heroine couldn't hide from him. At least thats what he thought.

-A message on the TV caught his attention.

-The mayor was with Ladybug and Chat noir.

-Shadowmoth watched the tv.

-"Shadowmoth. We know you are out there. We are leaving Paris. If you want our miraculous, you will need to find us. If you attack Paris while we are gone, we have made sure that other heroes will handle you."

-Shadowmoth remembered that Ladybug and Chat noir did indeed have other hero friends. (remembering Majestia, the one that could MOVE THE MOON,) He had to admit, that was clever. Shadowmoth had attacked NYC, which technically made him an international terrorist. (he had covered his tracks in Shanghai, but not in NYC)

-Ladybug and Chat noir used their space forms and flew off.

-All of Paris was shocked, it was quite a tragic day for Paris.

-Shadowmoth growled. He decided to return to his lair. He would need to figure out where the two heroes had gone. No point in attacking Paris if they aren't IN Paris.

-Shadowmoth needed to reconsider his plan. But first, he needed to ensure that this wasn't a bluff.

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-After a week, Gabriel had made a sentimonster known as Pursuit (a monster that looked Like Feast, but had his insignia instead of the guardian box, was Red and had wings to fly) To search all over Paris for them (subtly), but the sentimonster came up short.

-It wasn't a bluff. They had left Paris.

-It infuriated him! Where could they be hiding? He knew the identity of one of them.

-"Perhaps they went to Shanghai? She does have a relative there."

-Gabriel noticed something, the mansion was... quiet.

-"Shouldn't Adrien be practicing Piano at this time?"

-He moved to his son's room and noticed it empty.

-"Adrien?"

-He looked around the room and noticed a letter on the bed.

-He read the letter.

Dear G, Nathalie and Father:

You likely noticed my sudden absence. I know how sudden it is and how frightened you must feel. I am alright. I am safe. I have decided to make a life for myself outside of being a model. I hope this doesn't give you the wrong idea, I am not leaving out of hatred or spite, quite the opposite. I am leaving because of love. I will keep in touch when I can, I will try and pop by every now and again. Thank you for everything.

Love,

Adrien Agreste

-Gabriel felt his brain snap after reading this. The only remaining part of his family had just... ran away? How did he not realize it?

-Gabriel decided the miraculous could wait, Right now, he needed to find his son!

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-Anarke was concerned.

-"Its been a week and Luka hasn't set foot outside of his room."

-Juleka patted her mom's shoulder.

-"He... he is going through a lot mom."

-Luka had sat in his room, his mind was racing. It was his fault. Marinette's identity was exposed. He failed her. He tried to be there for her and he failed her.

-Luka knew even if she didn't say it, that look she gave him before leaving him on that rooftop, that was the end of any relationship they had. But that wasn't what concerned him, he put her in danger, which was FAR worse. She had to leave Paris. Her family, her friends, and everyone else to protect the city. He knew why and he couldn't tell anyone. This was the punishment he deserved.

-There was a knock on the door.

-It was surprising for him to see Adrien's girlfriend at the door, the fencer. Kagami.

-"I was told It was okay to come in."

-"Yea... its fine." Luka weakly muttered.

-"I imagine that the break up was just as painful for you. Your probably the only one that understands it."

-Luka blinked.

-"How did..."

-Kagami was holding a letter in his hands.

-"I didn't expect to get dumped by letter." Kagami confessed.

-Luka could hear the sorrow in her heartbeat.

-"I didn't think he would runaway with her." Kagami commented.

-That caught Luka off guard.

-"Wait what?" Luka blinked.

-"You didn't know? Our exes runaway together, like some sort of soap opera."

-"May I see that letter?" Luka asked.

-Kagami looked at him.

-"You didn't get your own?"

-"No, but I didn't deserve one."

-"Don't say that, Marinette was the one that..."

-"Im the reason she had to runaway."

-Kagami could see the tears forming in his eyes.

-She handed him the letter.

-Dear Kagami,

I wanted to do this in person, but there was really not much time. I caused you a lot of unnecessary stress and pain. I'm sorry for that. You were right, I keep hesitating, I keep being unsure of my actions. Even our relationship had you pushing and me receiving. It wasn't right that I let that go on. I think it would be best if we ended things here. I need to stop hesitating and do what I truly want. Thank you for showing me that.

Love,

Adrien

-Luka could tell that Kagami didn't know the truth, but Luka was able to figure it all out.

-Adrien Agreste was Chat noir.

-"Are you okay?"

-"No, but I will be."

-Luka felt himself calming down. He would help fix his mistake. By helping everyone hurt by it.

-"Know you aren't alone okay?" Luka spoke.

-Kagami turned to him. She had to admit, that was nice to hear after all of this.

-"Thanks."

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-In the streets of Shanghai, a girl with straight dark brown hair, and a boy with black hair walk the streets. They were holding hands as they were taking a walk. A nice break from the restaurant they had been working as waiter's at.

-They took notice of a mugging happening in an alley way.

-The two looked at each other and smiled.

-A mouse and a snake Kwami pop out of their pockets.

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(End of Part 4B)

#ml #ml what if #the runaway au #miraculous ladybug #ml au #slight lukagami #ladynoir #adrinette #angst #fluff #luka couffaine #kagami tsurugi #shadowmoth #luka learns the truth au #ml alt truth au #alt truth au

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britishsass · 3 years ago

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stream ramble collation

stuff you said aloud is in quote marks and paraphrased usually because of the fallibility of memory

traeh: junior agent communal pinboard is SUCH a good idea

also they ABSOLUTELY keep hiding chloe but its gone from 'keep her secret keep her a runaway' to a game

compton and fred talking about hats together

ace: it adds to the mysterious arua

[owl] "Chloe is having so much fun hiding"

traeh: yep my thoughts exactly, they no longer think she needs to be hidden but shes having fun being Sneaky

and the junior agents are having fun being Sneaky as well

ace: honestly it would count as good covert-op training

owl: [something about fred and compton friendship & fred not being in ps2 which i didnt fully process]

ace: And, now I'm thinking about Fred's T-rex arms again

traeh: yeah the junior agents get SO good at stuff like illusions etc

owl: "Compton's proportions, he is so short"

ace: man needs those grabber-nabber things just to function

traeh: raz already is fantastic at bluff checks - boy managed to get through 2 and a half obstacle courses for levitators and telekinetics while not knowing how to levitate

but all the others get good at just BSing etc

ALSO please picture norma using her pyrokinesis to wield

owl: "Some of the interns would have already been good at making stuff up, especially Morris. He runs a pirate radio he's going to be so good at making stuff up."

traeh: yeah morris is SO good at just making things up

Owl: "Morris annoyed me but he grew on me over time. All the interns did, I didn't like them at first because of how they acted towards Raz. Also there's no way Gisu is straight."

ace: Still got my bi hc loaded

traeh: i saw someone saying theres no way shes got an older sibling

shes either an only child or an older sibling

ace: I say it everytime I get the chance, hah

quantum: re: gisu siblings(?) the "I'm not a baby" "yes you are" line radiates 'I have at least one younger brother i bully affectionately' energy

traeh: norma, lizzie, morris, and gisu assembling a bunch of metal poles and glass panes into a huge fishtank while adam and raz flop in the corner with psipops

sam has gone to pester whoever is in charge of the fishtanks about salinity etc

ace: seeing fishtank and flop defaulted me to fish flopping and it is... an.. image in my mind's eye

traeh: reusfdk hahaha thats not what i meant

also quantum YES gisu with a little brother

owl: "Fred deserves more friends, his proportions are stupid and I love him, and the Bonapartes have to be a pretty well-known family because they're literally related to Napoleon Bonaparte, and then one day Fred just vanishes! Because there's no way his family would have told people that Fred was thinking he was Napoleon! I think about that a lot. I think about that a lot. Like, Gloria is famous and it'd be well-know she was going to Thorney Towers, but the others? Fred, Edgar, Boyd - well Boyd might be famous for setting a place on fire, but Edgar's a nobody and Fred's just the Bonaparte boy. Fred's just...a nobody, he's not the strongest he's not the smartest, any adjective you pick another Thorney Towers resident probably is it more, he's got so much pressure on him as a Bonaparte and he needs to learn the world wont end if he takes a break, thats probably me also talking about Otto and myself too"

owl: "Sorry about rambling about Fred so much, but I think about him a lot. Out of all the others he does stand apart i think."

Owl: "I'm just getting pictures of everyone. I need a picture of Cassie. I'm sorry, Cassie, you deserve so much better than me."

ace: I've been thinking more about Markie again. I think she just got worse and worse. Maybe she can be a decent person but oh boy that's gonna come with a lot to make up for

Owl: "Yeah, Markie needs to make up for a whole lot at this point."

Owl: "Helmut looks so soft and huggable. Man, I want to hold him close and just snuggle up to him. He's so kind. I love Helmut Fullbear."

[owl is drawing a many armed nightmare at this point]

ace: the nightmare is armed and dagerous.

I'm sorry for the half though out puns but my brain demands it

traeh: the pun goes in the ramble submission

ace: thus my role is fufilled, hah

keeping out of reach is probably advisable

traeh: oh a fact about the handwraps thing that got brought up in frankies stream: similar fabric wrapping techniques were/are used by broke people in cold countries like russia to keep the feet warm

when theres no access to warm enough shoes/socks or they have damaged shoes or w/e

ace: ah, cool!

traeh: implying that nona would possibly prefer to be wearing gloves!

This, my friends, is why you join the streams-- I go off on tangents, Ace shares great puns, and we've got amazing ideas and aus.

Thanks again for gathering this for me! I'll re-read when I have the chance.

#queue #ask response #submission #stream talk #anon

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writinginstardust · 5 years ago

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Safe

Pairing: Tyler Jones x reader

Request: @thats-so-bucky asked “ When One Stops The Kiss To Whisper “I’m Sorry, Are You Sure You-” And They Answer By Kissing Them More with tyler ”

Warnings: swearing, non-graphic violence

A/N: idek what to put in authors notes at this point 😂

Word Count: 1512

"Oh come on, I thought we were making progress." Mild annoyance was the main thing Tyler could hear in the girl's voice through the comms but there was something else there too. Hidden too skilfully for most to recognise, a note of panic underneath it all. His heart clenched fearfully. Something had gone wrong.

"Sorry sweetheart, we've just identified your ship. We know who you actually are and we know who you're travelling with." Shit. Not good. Everyone was thinking the same thing. They'd sent (Y/N) to negotiate with these pirates specifically because they didn't think anyone could recognise her. She'd only joined them on the world ship after all so the TDF didn't know she was involved. Obviously someone had connected some dots and told the authorities.

"I don't know what you're talking about." She tried to call their bluff. She knew it probably wasn't going to work but if she could avoid a confrontation, she would.

"Oh, I think you do. You and your little friends seem to have caused quite some trouble for the TDF. They seem very interested in getting their hands on you all."

"You don't have to do this.” She tried. “You have no idea how big this is. Just let us leave. We won't bother you again and the TDF will never have to know."

"Sorry, it's nothing personal, but the TDF are willing to pay a lot to anyone who brings you in." The sound of many disruptor pistols being charged bled through the comms and the bridge of the Longbow went still. "I wouldn't take another step if I were you. They want you dead or alive. We don't particularly care which, in fact dead is easier, so I suggest you don't give us a reason to shoot."

Tyler's breath caught and he gripped the edge of his console hard. Fighting to keep a lid on his anger and panic, he looked to Zila.

"Can you get us into their surveillance? Or find some schematics? Anything we can use to help her."

"Their tech is rudimentary, it should not be hard to hack." She sat down, fingers flying over displays before her butt even touched the seat. Tyler tuned back into what was going down on the pirate's ship.

"You don't have to shove me so hard, I'm not resisting." (Y/N)'s still irritated voice. What had he missed?

"Walk faster. We still don't mind shooting you."

"I can't go any faster, I sprained my ankle yesterday." Lie. "Besides, what do you think is going to happen? There's four of you and one of me. You're armed, I'm not. I've got no idea where we are on this ship now so there's no point in me trying to get away, I'd never make it." Clever girl. She knew Tyler would be working on a plan to help her. She was feeding him crucial information. 4 hostiles to manage. They'd taken her weapons. They were far enough away from the other pirates to buy some time.

"Got something sir. Surveillance and a map. The cameras are patchy at best but the map shows life-signs so once we locate her we can use that to navigate." Zila momentarily drew his attention as she filled the holographic screen between them all with the map, sending the camera feeds to their individual consoles.

"(Y/N), don't do anything yet but we've hacked their systems," Tyler whispered over the comms. "We're trying to locate you now and we'll let you know when the best time to strike is."

"What about that group of five on the third deck?" Kal pointed to a group of dots on the map.

"Someone find me a camera feed," Tyler ordered immediately.

"Got it Ty." Scarlett swiped the feed onto his screen.

"That's them." He checked the map, they were actually heading in the direction of the docking bays. "(Y/N), do you know where they're taking you?"

"So are you guys taking me to a nice cosy bedroom or am I being chucked in the brig?" She asked her captors.

"Does it matter?"

"I guess not. I just wanted to know how far it is, my ankle is hurting."

"It's not far, down a couple of decks and at the end of the ship."

"Okay so that's probably the brig then," Cat said as she examined the map. "Two decks directly beneath the docking bays."

"I think you're right." He said and switched his Mic back on. "Okay, you're headed in the right direction. Hold off your escape as long as you can but don't let them take you to another deck. You're on the right one now."

They watched on the camera as (Y/N) looked directly into one and made an okay sign discreetly with her hand. She was ready. They all were. Zila poised to override doors and launch systems, Cat and Kal quietly priming the weapons systems to cover her escape, Tyler, Fin, and Scarlett ready to guide her to safety. All they had to do was wait.

The pirates stopped at a grav-lift still a fair distance from the docking bay. They weren't taking chances. Smart. The lift opened and one of them tried to nudge (Y/N) into it but she didn't move. A pistol charged, aimed at her head, and she frowned at it.

"Get in," one of them ordered. She took a step and the pistol was lowered. That was a mistake.

Lightning fast it was knocked from the pirate's hand and (Y/N) caught it in midair half way through a roll.

One of her captors went flying into the lift as she kicked out at him. Another received a disruptor blast to the shoulder and stumbled back, landing on top of her friend. Zila shut the doors remotely as the woman tried to stand again and sent the lift up several floors. (Y/N) took a few hits as she fought the remaining two but eventually got them both unconscious on the floor.

"Alright Tyler, where am I going?" It took a few minutes but eventually the squad managed to get her to the docking bay. She was limping with a small trickle of blood running down the side of her face but she got out of most of her run-ins unscathed. A few more pirates were waiting by her pod, obviously having been alerted by someone that she'd escaped custody.

Two went down with well aimed shots but the third had the sense to dodge. Fortunately she was smaller and quicker, even injured, and managed to get round him quickly, throwing herself into the pod and sealing the airlock between them. The pirate tried shooting it a few times but to no avail and soon she was gone.

A tense minute passed as Cat and Kal fired on the pirates and they fired back, (Y/N) weaving in and out of the explosions and nearly meeting a fiery end a couple of times. Finally she docked with the Longbow and Tyler ordered Cat to get them out of there fast. He left (seemingly) calmly to go check on (Y/N) but broke into a run as soon as the doors shut behind him. The journey took half the time it usually would.

She grinned as she stumbled out of the pod and saw him enter the room. She barely even registered all her injuries with adrenaline still coursing through her veins. They crossed the distance together and Tyler was overwhelmed by having her back and alive. He hadn't realised just quite how scared he'd been for her. Unthinkingly, he pulled her into his arms and kissed her.

The dam of built-up emotions broke and they all flooded out through his lips. It was desperate and raw and completely unexpected but Tyler didn't care. (Y/N) didn't either and kissed him back just as hard.

After a minute the tide of feeling ebbed and he realised what he'd done. Breaking the kiss, he pulled away slightly, staring at her lips while he spoke.

"I'm sorry, are you sure you-" (Y/N) didn't let him finish, crashing their lips together again in answer. And Tyler wasn't going to protest. He kissed back, winding his arms around her waist and running his tongue along her lips. She opened her mouth on a little gasp and let him in as she allowed her hands to tangle in his hair.

Time lost all meaning and they might have stayed lost in the kisses for hours if Scarlett hadn't interrupted. They'd both forgotten the others could both see and hear them on the cameras and comms.

"Uh guys, cute as you are, none of us need to hear you making out."

"We need to figure out where the hell we're going too so get your asses up here," Cat added.

"Set a course for Riilok, we'll be up in a few minutes," Tyler replied before they both turned off their comms. They weren't back in a few minutes. They weren't back for a long time.

Tag Lists: (send an ask if you want to be added!)

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forbetterorworsefinalspace · 5 years ago

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Shonky

Rating: Teen and Up

Fandom: Final Space

Part: 2

Link- 🌌

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Still trying to leave Earth, Sheryl is reminded time and time again that bringing her son along is a big mistake. However he can prove useful.

Meanwhile Gary is reminded that his mother is a very different person from his father.

For Better Or Worse AU

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“Is this wrong?”

Sheryl Goodspeed paused her actions to looked up at the sky, annoyed beyond belief. They were only a day or two into their journey, they hadn’t even left Earth yet for fuck sake, and the kid was already driving her up the bloody walls! Kid was a friggen Stickybeak, with no idea about his own personal safety, (She pulled him out of traffic twice already.) but somehow was insightful enough to know when she was breaking the law.

Trust John to raise him properly. Now she had to wreck all his hard work…

“Yes, Gary, but we need to do this.” Sheryl said, going back to her work.

They had driven down to a place Sheryl knew people stored their space vehicles during the off season. Rich tycoons that camp in space or some other nonsense. If they could get a craft that doubled as a living area, that be perfect… However she’d settle for whatever was stored in the fenced in yard.

They just needed to break in and steal one.

“Why?”

God fucking damn it.

“I’ll tell you later Gary.” She muttered, shaking her head. “We just have to.”

“But-!!”

“SHH!!” Sheryl spun to looked at him angrily, practically hiss in his face. “Listen here you little Drongo, see that there?!” She yell whispered, jutting her finger to the house just a few feet away. “That house?! If you wake up the person inside, then they’ll call the cops and take us away! You want to go into foster care?!”

The boy gave a frightened shake of his head.

“Right, then you’d best PULL your head IN!” She growled, then was back at the locks. She fiddled away for a few more moments, grumbling when she realized how rusty she had gotten. However she finally heard the tell tale click, pulling it apart and easing the door open with an ominous creek.

She looked around quickly. No signs of dogs. Or anything else. Suppose the guy just trusted his community. It was a high end area of town.

Sucks to be him.

She stepped in and could feel Gary follow behind her. She shut the door so it wouldn’t slam before leading deeper into the yard. Gary wandered a few steps away, with wide eyes.

“Are these… spaceships?” He asked in awe.

“That's a bit generous.” Sheryl shrugged. “More like space campers, space RVs and space cars, I suppose.”

“Wow…” Gary didn’t seem deterred by the explanation. He walked closer to a sporty looking craft. Likely a racing model. “W-what are we gonna do?”

“Steal one.” Sheryl said, looking over a large camper, only to deem it too noticeable and cumbersome.

“Why?”

Fuckin’....

“To go to space.” Sheryl glared at him. “Why else?”

Gary turned to her quickly, slack jawed and wide eyed. He began to bounce in place, growing a very large smile on his face. Sheryl realized what he was going to do a few seconds before he did.

“Don’t you dare!” She snapped, thankfully stopping him from squealing in excitement. She pointed forcefully to the house again, before going back to her search. As she looked, she kept having to make sure Gary wasn’t about to give them away. Sometimes he started talking too loudly and she’s hush him, forcefully. Sometimes he knocked over tins on the ground or started babbling to himself...and she kept having to stop him, wasting time they didn’t have.

This was a mistake.

He was a mistake…

Focus Sherie, focus.

Finally, near the back, she found a suitable ride. Perfect actually. It was a tow along trailer that had a self contained bubble at the front, where you could put a vehicle to move it, one just like her bike. The trailer area was smallish, but suitable. It had a mini fridge, sink, a few storage areas, a tiny bathroom at the back and two slim beds.

First, getting it out.

“Go hold the door.” She whispered to Gary, who actually ran off to do as he was told. With a heavy grunt she started to pull the vehicle from the storage area, hefting with all her might until her arms ached and her legs burned. Halfway to the exit she started to hurt.

Think of John. This is for John.

She managed it out before taking a second to breath. Gary scampered to her side, looking concerned and slightly upset. She frowned up at him from her seat on the ground.

“W-what?” She huffed.

“How were you moving that?” Gary asked. “Didn’t it hurt? Like a whole bunch? Forever?”

Sheryl moaned, standing up. “Well, sometimes you gotta work through the pain.”

“Why?”

Ah, this kid…

“Unpack our bags and get them in the camper.” Sherly grumbled. Thankfully the boy seemed interested in looking inside and ran to see.

Though still sore, Sheryl forced her bike into the bubble to act as an engine. Thankfully the bags were off it now, but looking inside, she could see Gary jumping from bed to bed, a big smile on his face as he made a mess.

Good lord this kid…

Sheryl leaned against the bubble. This was a mistake… and this was her last chance to leave the kid behind. Or at least on Earth anyway. She was tempted, so very, very tempted to just dump him here.I mean, sure he might get blamed for stealing the camper, but he was a kid. They’d let him off easy…

The boy giggled loudly, beds squeaking under his weight as he hopped around like a roided up Roo. As Sheryl put her head in her hand, pinching the bridge of her nose, the boy leapt from the trailer and ran to take a look at the rockets on the back.

This is a mistake.

“HEY!”

Sheryl looked up into the barrel of a gun, she went rigid as a man dressed in his pajamas started to come closer. “Who the hell do you think you are?!” He asked crossly, waving the weapon around.

God damn it, she hadn’t heard the man coming because of all of Gary’s noise!

Still she shifted to an unimpressed stance, scowling slightly. “That supposed to be a trick question?” She asked dryly.

The man huffed and went fumbling for his pocket, not taking his eyes off her. “N-now you just stay right there until my help arrives, or I’ll shoot you! Don’t you make any sudden moves!”

Where did this guy get his dialogue, a cop movie? Sheryl scowled when he pulled out his phone.

“Wassa matter? Can’t handle a lady on your own?” Sheryl scoffed. The gears were turning in her head, trying to think of a way out of this. Thankfully Gary was quiet now, which was making it a lot easier.

She had to kill him. She just needed to do it before he called for this so called help, or else they’d have to make a runner. She tried to lean to one side, inching her hand down her waist to a knife hidden in her boot. Guy was still trying to dial his cell, which was perfect for her. The longer he struggled, the more time she had to arm herself.

She closed her hand around the hilt when the man seemed to notice her strange posture. He straightened his gun out. “Hey! What are you-”

BANG!

Sheryl started, eyes rounded, as the man straightened like a board, then fell to the ground in a heap. Behind him stood Gary, who slapped his hands over his mouth when the man folded before him. A brick clattering down with the guy.

Sheryl blinked.

“O-Oh no! Oh no!” Gary whined, shaking his hands. “I killed him! That not good! Thats super not good!” He grabbed his hair tightly. “I friggen wreck his stuff!”

“Calm down.” Sheryl knelt, feeling the man’s neck. “He has a pulse Gary, you just knocked him out.”

Gary slumped in relief. “Oh thank crap!- Oph!” He flinched. “Sorry…”

“Fer what?”

“For swearing…”

Sheryl stared at him before laughing. “Ah you can swear all you fuckin want. I don’t give a shit. Just be quiet when we’re sneakin around, yeah?”

“Oh.” Gary stared back at her, processing this information, then hunched in on himself and spoke in a very soft voice.

“Fuck.”

Sheryl was… actually amused by this. She chuckled. “Feel good?”

“Yeah.” Gary looked up at her, but seemed a bit gloomy. “It just, dad said I shouldn’t…”

Sheryl darkened as well. “Hmm, he ain’t here now, is he?”

“No…”

Sheryl glanced back down at the man before taking his gun, she inspected it quickly, lining up her sights with it, then checked the chambers.

Empty.

So he was all bluff.

Sheryl tsked, but put it on her bike. Looking over she could see the house was still dark, but the door was open…

“Come with me.” Sheryl ordered before marching to the house. She nudged the door open, looking into the building. She flicked on a few lights once she knew no one was in the shadows.

For such a nice area of town, this sure was a dump. Everything was in a state. Newspapers and used dishes everywhere. There was no art on the walls, hardly any furniture, and it was cramped to hell.

She pushed Gary to the kitchen. “Find some bags and grab some food yeah? I’m gonna look upstairs.”

“Isn’t that stealing-”

“Gary, we’re already stealing. You konked this dude on the head with a brick not five minutes ago.”

“Oh yeah.”

“Just grab the food.”

Sheryl headed up the stairs, to a small bedroom. It was also sparse, the bed was unmade and every surface was covered in junk. She checked a few drawers and looked over the clutter. Then she found something interesting.

“Well, well, well. No wonder this place is a mess.” She said, holding up a tiny baggie of white powder. She opened it, dipping her pinky in and rubbed it on her gums. It dissolves instantly, leaving a bit of her mouth numb. Sheryl smiled. “Hello Basuco, its been a very long time.” She spotted a large amount of the baggies under a shirt. “And you brought the whole family!”

Sheryl wasn’t one for cocaine. She tried to steer clear of it, if mostly because she saw addiction as a weakness. She did, however, dabble in a few when… when John tossed her out. Thankfully she managed to slapped herself out of it a few days in and just stick to beer and smokes.

These would, however, sell very nicely.

She tossed the lot in a bag and kept looking. Eventually she found the ammo for the gun under the bed. Huh, maybe the guy thought the gun was loaded. Then a large wad of cash in his underwear drawer. After stealing her fill she came down, finding Gary struggling with a large bag of food. It was all junk food and things like that, but Sheryl didn’t care.

“Give.” She ordered, snatching it from him. She took everything down to the trailer, before tossing it inside. She looked back to Gary, but the boy was worriedly hunched over the man he knocked out. There was a sizable puddle of blood on the ground now, which she could see from the light of the house.

“Is he gonna be ok?” Gary asked, frowning.

“Hell if I know.” Sheryl scoffed, coming over. “Bleeding like a faucet though.”

“S-so I did kill him?” Gary asked, sniffling a bit.

Ugh!

“What? Your sad that you killed him?” Sheryl frowned. “He was gonna die someday.”

“Yeah, but I killed him! Me!”

“For the love of-” Sheryl knelted, pulled out her knife, and slit his throat in a quick motion. Blood splashed out, but not as much as she expected. He was likely running low, bleeding in the brain. She wiped her blood off on the grass before looking back to her son. “There. Now I killed him.”

Gary stared at her, eyes the size of pin pricks.

“What now?” She asked, exasperated.

“Y-you killed him…”

“Thats right.”

“...Why?”

She rolled her eyes. Again with the why! “To shut you up and because the less people who see us the better.” Sheryl grunted. The boy just stared back, horrified, making her scoff. “Just get in the bloody camper. I’m gonna hide the body.”

Gary slunk away and Sheryl grabbed the corpse by the legs, dragging him into the junk yard, where she covered him with a metal sheet. Her body groaned, unhappy with all the heavy lifting and pulling.

As she finished up, the dark sky rumbled, a few raindrops coming down from above. It was an ominous sign, but also a stroke of good luck. The water would ruin evidence, and the thunder would hide the noise of their take off.

Walking back to their new home, Sheryl could see Gary curled up inside, clutching the bug jar like a lifeline and wrapped tightly under some blankets. She paused, biting her lip and staring at him. He looked pretty messed up…

Well, he’d get used to it. She had grown up around that sort of thing. Maybe not people per say, but animals definitely.

She came to the bike and closed the bubble, climbing on so she could pull the ship into the sky.

“Mom..?”

“Eh?” She didn’t look at him.

“W-why did that guy have to die?” Gary mumbled. “Was it me?”

Sheryl paused again, and then turned to him.

“Gary. In this world, its either you or them.” She said lowly. “Sometimes the best thing to do is make sure there is no them at all. He would have made it harder for us to get away to space. Now that he’s dead, less problems.”

“Oh… ok.” Gary looked to the window as they started to rise in the air. “But why are we going to space?”

Sheryl looked back out the bubbled, which was rippling with raindrops.

“We’re gonna bring John back.”

The ship took off with a rumble, blending into the thunder as they rose to the cosmos.

And one step closer to John.

#final space #Fanfiction #Shonky #background character death #For Better Or Worse Au #sheryl goodspeed #gary goodspeed

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Gotham – s5e05 – Pena Dura

As I watched it, and some random observations here and there.

Previously on Gotham:

Selina went stab stabbity stab. Alfred told Bruce he can’t save Selina from herself. Ed woke up on a rooftop. Jim gave speech #357 on the value of hope. Then Haven exploded, proving that hope can only do so much against an RPG. Jim’s been promised help for weeks! He also won’t stop until he finds who’s responsible for Haven. Ed was responsible for Haven, albeit in a weird trance-like state. Jim stared at the charred remains of Haven.

As always, long post will be long. There are likely to be rambling digressions. Gobblepot might appear (although I welcome all shippers and non-shippers alike :)). There will be naked favouritism and naked not-favouritism. Broader comments at the end on plotlines and parallels and general direction.

In a church, a man is watching an old black and white film. From what I can figure out from the actors involved and the character names, it’s a George Brent film called Tangier Incident. It’s not a particularly interesting film. He is, however, in a good creepy film called The Spiral Staircase, which I recommend.

Anyway

Jim and Harvey approach him, guns drawn, and ask him turn around. Apparently, he’s the one who sold the RPGs. He seems pretty unimpressed by them, and rather insolently asks if they’re going to arrest him.

Jim says he wants a name. Old film guy addresses some unseen minions

What do you say boys? You wanna show the lawman how we feel about uninvited guests?

No-one is backing down. The stand-off is broken up by the arrival of lots of large people dropping through the stained-glass ceiling, who promptly take the thugs out.

While this is happening, Jim wrestles the weapons dealer/film enthusiast. He still wants a name. The fight is pretty even until the old guy is shot in the head.

We now get a slow-motion shot of shiny army boots approaching to some foreboding music. Jim rises, frowning in confusion as shiny boots man removes the mask covering his face.

Eduardo?

Nice shot right?

We get the military music we last had with Barnes to let us know that Jim likely met this man in the army. His men are still pointing guns, one at Harvey, so he tells them stand down.

Jim asks Eduardo what he’s doing here. He tells Jim he last saw him running through sniper fire to save him from a burning truck.

Jim claims he had the old guy where he wanted him – but he’s glad he’s here. Eduardo says he is too

They wander through the church chatting. Jim tells Harvey they hated each other in boot camp. Jim thought Eduardo did things too fast, while Eduardo thought Jim was too careful.

A sarcastic Harvey says that Jim’s taught him a thing or two about being careful.

Jim and Eduardo lapse into military jargon – talking about the mission plan. Eduardo says that they’re helping Walker (the woman Jim’s been talking to on the radio). They’ve to make this hellhole safe.

Jim, disgruntled, comments that all it apparently took for them to be sent help was the murder of hundreds. Eduardo says they’ve to remove all criminal elements and make the city safe. He introduces his second in command, who hands Jim a ledger they’ve found. On it – we see Ed’s name against two RPGs.

Jim turns to Harvey. He and Eduardo will go after Ed. Harvey is to set up a command centre at GCPD. Harvey protests.

I’m not as fast as I used to be, but I still got some fight in me. I’m not some desk jockey – I’m a street guy

Jim says Harvey’s the best cop he knows. Ed tends to think ahead. If this goes sideways, Harvey will need to take over.

I need your help buddy

Harvey nods.

GCPD where Bruce runs into Alfred. Alfred tells him Jim isn’t there – they’ve got a strong lead in the Haven bombing. He asks Bruce what’s wrong.

Bruce tells him worriedly that he can’t find Selina anywhere. Alfred replies that Selina is capable of looking after herself. Bruce says that she’s not herself, though. Alfred pulls a face and tells him that Jeremiah deserved to die. A resentful and upset Bruce says that Jeremiah made Selina a murderer – just like Ra’s did him.

(An aside. Much like Alfred, I don’t really have a problem with Selina stabbing Jeremiah. But this is only one of many times this episode will get a bit forgetful. Selina was a murderer before she killed Jeremiah, Bruce. You were there when she shoved that guy out the window. Not that I really have any time for Alfred’s ex-army friend who stabbed him and robbed you – but Jeremiah wasn’t the first time she’s killed)

Alfred quibbles this, claiming that Ra’s goaded Bruce into murder, but Selina did what she did with open eyes

And you’ve got to learn to respect that son

Bruce wants to find her, though, and leaves – as Alfred watches.

(An aside - Eh. On one hand, yes – Selina can make her own decisions. She has autonomy. On the other hand – Selina did what she did while still struggling to cope with the trauma of Jeremiah shooting her. Alfred excusing Bruce but condemning Selina – even though he agrees Jeremiah needed to be removed – doesn’t really sit well with me. On top of all that – Selina’s endangered herself for Bruce on a number of occasions, gone out of her way to help him, in fact. She’s clearly not coping now – and leaving her to her own devices seems off to me.)

In the library, we see Ed listening to his blackout recordings. He howls with frustration, unable to establish a pattern.

It makes no sense!

He catches sight of himself in a nearby mirror

You're not a murderer, Ed. Except Kristin Kringle, and Officer Doherty.

He goes on

But all those people. And children. How could you do it? Why?

He roars

It doesn't matter – it’s you - not me

(An aside. This is really a bit of a mess. So. Am I to assume that Ed is being a massive hypocrite, and selectively editing his criminal record? Or am I to assume that Ed differentiates between murders committed by Ed and those committed by The Riddler? Maybe, that doesn’t really work here – since some of these were committed before he discovered that persona. Besides – wasn’t one of the features of his ‘becoming’ his personalities becoming fused? Or are the writers choosing to forget some of Ed’s other murders? Who knows.)

Hearing a sound, he turns. It’s Jim and Eduardo – who have arrived to arrest him. He holds his hands up defensively.

No - Jim - I can explain

Jim is taken aback.

Explain? You son of a bitch - you actually did it?

(Interesting. Although Ed’s name was in the ledger, Jim doesn’t seem to have thought that Ed was truly responsible – or didn’t want to believe it might be true.)

Eduardo tells Ed to get on his knees. That’s three Eds in this show now – not counting Ed’s many personalities. For reference, if they’re all ever in the same scene, the dog is Ed1, the lanky green one is Ed2, and beardy army guy is Ed3.

Ed protests, and says he didn't – but he needs a little bit of time

Eduardo is still pointing his gun – and tells Jim to just say the word.

Ed pleads. You know me, Jim. People that I have...hurt - they hurt me first

(Eh? There are multiple gif sets going around which show how ridiculous this remark is. Ed’s hurt plenty of people just because he wanted to.)

I didn't know a single person in Haven

Eduardo glances at Jim

Your call, buddy – he basically confessed

Ed watches carefully as Jim thinks and then decides,

Bring him in – he stands trial

We’re saying this again? What kind of court will this be? Who is the judge? Lawyers? Jury?

Ed isn’t enthused by this. He touches a book from the bookcase. Eduardo is apparently standing on pressure-plated ied. One twitch, and he’ll repaint the room with his organs. He smiles.

Jim points his gun. But apparently Ed has also devised some sort of watch that monitors changes in Ed’s heart rate if it deviates by more than 10 bpm up or down, and can cause an explosion - if necessary - from as far as a mile away. Whatever. Apparently, in a fit of sexual frustration after his recent contact with Lucius, Ed sublimated his lustful stirrings into an inventing binge.

Ed and Jim try and stare each other out a bit. Jim says Ed will be a target once news of his guilt gets out. Eduardo says he thinks Ed’s threats are bluffs. Jim says Ed doesn’t bluff. Well – there was the time with all the cops and the poison gas that turned out just to be sleeping gas, but - hey. This episode is having severe difficulties remembering details, storyline, characterisation….take your pick.

Jim lets Ed leave. Summarising because this recap is lengthy – Jim uses his cat-like reflexes to leap across the room and finds the right book to free Eduardo – whose whole take on the puzzle is that he’d like

to wring this nerd’s neck

Jim gives him a welcome to Gotham. Wanting to wring Ed’s neck is just part and parcel of visiting. He adds that the city grows on you, before contacting Harvey and telling him to put the word out: Ed is wanted for the attack on Haven

Bruce strides into Sirens, looking for Selina. A fairly happy-looking Barbara leads him towards a booth. With a flourish, she tells the crowd to raise their glasses for the killer of Jeremiah Valeska. The crowd parts, and we see Selina sitting in a booth with a group of girls. Is this the booth of Bruce’s downward spiral? Is this the ‘I am having a long dark night of the soul’ booth? Do you have to book ahead?

Selina raises her glass, but her smile is more ironic than anything else.

(An aside. Barbara seemed happy. It's hard to say whether having the killer of Jeremiah Valeska at her club is bring extra cachet, whether her one-night stand with Jim brought her some closure and happiness, or whether she and Jim are still having sex and she’s pleased about this.)

In some abandoned building, we hear a radio send out the message about Ed being wanted by the police.

A tall skinny man wearing a green suit and eyeglasses

They left out his BritPop hair.

Outside an angry mob gathers and chants. We see Ed hiding from them, before slipping off.

At City Hall, Oswald stands, flanked by his henchmen, as a visitor opens a box for him. Whatever it is seems to make him happy – and he pays the man 200 bullets in return – telling him to go have fun and keep up the good work.

As the man leaves – Oswald is brought a message

He reads aloud

Edward Nygma is the monster responsible for killing the innocents of Haven

Oswald looks incredulous for a moment, and then worried – wondering aloud,

Ed…what have you done?

The mob from earlier runs past. Ed hides – but is walloped on the side of the head.

GCPD. Eduardo tells Jim they’re pushing uptown – but there’s still no Nygma. He’s confident they’ll get him though. He then asks Jim to tell him about Scarecrow. Jim says his guys would need gasmasks – but taking him down would be a big one.

We’re on a sort of rural street. We pan up Ed’s body. I own those boots. He’s unconscious and tied to some kind of deck chair.

An older blonde woman leans in towards his face.

Time to wake up!

Forgive me – American readers. I can only tell that she sounds Southern, which I know isn’t very specific.

She tells Ed she’s the woman who will carry out his execution, along with her two boys – two men, who are sitting in a truck parked facing Ed.

They’ve basically created a makeshift electric chair. There’s a lot of whooping and laughing as they give Ed a tester jolt. He yells in pain, gasping when they stop.

The woman tells him that was only a taste. It’s fair that Ed should die to pay for JoJo, who was in Haven when Ed blew it up.

She holds up a photograph. Ed seems afraid to look at it – then bursts into laughter when he sees it’s a dog. For good measure – he calls the woman an anthropomorphizing nincompoop when she claimed that JoJo was happy and smiled often.

They give him another burst of electricity. Ed hallucinates – seeing a spiteful Oswald telling him

I'm going to fix you, Ed

Ed blinks – confused. They jolt him again. This time he sees a sincere Oswald, repeating the same phrase.

Everything stops when there’s some kind of fault with the electricity. Ed quickly spots a way to trick them and escape. In doing so – one of the men’s legs catch fire. As Ed runs off, he declares that he’ll fix Oswald.

At City Hall, we hear distant explosions. One of Oswald’s henchmen tells him that the army has invaded and men are heading this way. Oswald asks him if Nygma has been located – to which the man replies he has feelers out. Oswald tells him the first man to find him gets to live.

Turning, he tells his dog he is surrounded by morons. If he didn’t have his empire – he’d go get Nygma himself

(An aside – it’s actually something that has been frustrating about Oswald in later seasons. Season One Oswald was very mobile. He moved around a lot: think of all the places we see him. Fish’s club, Gertrud’s apartment, GCPD, Jim and Barbara’s place, Maroni’s weird lodge, Falcone’s mansion, Loeb’s house…. It helped give a sense of how he had a finger in every pie, but also how much he truly inhabited the city. He was everywhere. But after they have him empire building – he becomes much more static. He’s usually stuck in a grand house or hall, and has to send other people out to do his bidding.)

He spots that the gun on his desk has gone. He turns – and now it’s pointing at his head

It’s Ed2

(Ed gets demoted if the dog is in the same scene)

Hello Oswald. We have a great deal to talk about. But first - did you name your dog after me?

(An aside. You know – that dog is sweet, but the naming decision feels like self-indulgent fic territory. Unpopular opinion, I know – but there it is.)

At GCPD, Harvey says Nygma’s been seen at City Hall – he’s going after Oswald. Eduardo says Oswald is at the top of their list – so this sounds like a twofer

Jim says Oswald has all the ammo in town – so they need shock and awe

Eduardo says that’s his default, and asks Jim if he’s ready to go.

Jim looks a little dubious, and tells him to take Harvey. He’ll keep things locked down here

(An aside – it’s possible that Jim does this because he wants to salve Harvey’s bruised ego from earlier, although sending him to City Hall with Eduardo to face a heavily-armoured and very irritated Oswald would seem to be a bit of an over-correction of that earlier moment. It is amusing to consider, though, that Jim did not want Eduardo to witness what would likely have happened at City Hall if Jim had gone instead – i.e. Oswald wheedling his way out of a visit to the precinct, Jim telling Oswald to please be good this time, and then some emotionally vulnerable and sexually charged staring.)

At Sirens, a flippant Selina tells a serious-faced Bruce he’s killing the buzz. Bruce tells her this isn’t her. Selina smiles, and asks Bruce if he really thinks he knows her. He solemnly tells her better than she knows herself.

Selina smiles. She tells Bruce that the night his parents were murdered she watched it all and did nothing.

Her eyes fill

She says she watched

That guy shoot your father and shoot your mother and through it all - I did nothing

She lets out a laugh that turns into a sob

I didn't call for help. I didn’t scream at him to stop

Bruce tells her it wasn’t her fault – she was a scared kid. Selina tells Bruce he was the scared kid.

Bruce has teared up now too. She continues

We are not the same. I didn't do anything because I was not willing to risk my neck - because I didn’t care. That's who I was and that's who I am

A different song starts playing. Selina puts on a faux-smile and says she loves this song. A tearful Bruce watches her walk away.

Back at City Hall, an irate Ed is questioning a confused Oswald.

What did you do?

What are you talking about?

Ed is insistent

You! You are the reason I killed those people! How could you? You have made me some murderous puppet!

(Just a reminder here that when Ed found a seriously injured and traumatised Oswald in the woods, he took him home, injected him with God knows what, told him he had no option but to stay there, and rubbed his hands with glee when he figured out the best way to manipulate him to his own ends – which was through his grief for his murdered mother. You know, just while the story is touching on stuff like taking away someone’s agency, and using them for your own selfish ends.)

Ed rants that he’s spent weeks waking up strange places - driving himself mad, thinking he’d gone mad - now he knows that it’s all been Oswald’s doing

Of everything that you have put me through - this is the most cruel

(Just another reminder that - you know, while we’re discussing cruelty – Ed tried to drive Oswald insane, dug up his father’s remains, humiliated him, attempted to demonstrate that he wasn’t capable of love (so – you know – tried to completely dehumanise him), and then shot him in the gut and pushed him off the end of the pier. Just, you know, in case we’re looking for some kind of gold standard for cruelty).

Oswald blinks in confusion, and tells Ed that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Ed quotes the ‘I’ll fix you’ from his hallucination. He goes on – telling Oswald he didn’t fix him: he broke him

Realisation dawns on Oswald’s face.

Wait - I said that to you on the night the bridges blew!

He tells Ed that he saved his life. He found him and paid Hugo Strange to save him – but Hugo must have done something when he was patching him up.

Ed is incredulous. Oswald is indignant – asking him what he was supposed to do? After Butch, Ed was his only friend. Ed exclaims that he shot Butch, to which Oswald retorts that’s why he needed Ed alive.

Oswald is frustrated. He sighs and turns to him

Edward Nygma - if I wanted you to suffer, I would never do it in some backhanded way. If we are ever at odds again, you will know without a doubt that I am your enemy. I promise you that, as a friend.

(An aside. I have made no bones about the fact I’ve found just about everything they’ve done with this relationship over the seasons to be utterly forced - clunky and leaden. If anything ever exemplifies a lot of what I don’t like about it, it’s that moment just there. Compare how natural and nuanced almost any other interaction in this episode was in comparison with this moment. It’s self-indulgent and melodramatic in a manner usually reserved for bad fanfiction. Bear it in mind particularly when we get that lovely scene later with Bruce and Harvey, and compare the two.)

Ed considers him for a moment, then yells

What a mess! I might have killed you, Oswald. And if that day comes, I swear to you that I will stare you in the eye as I stab you in the heart.

We already saw that, Ed. Back when you shot him in the gut

Oswald nods tearfully

(An aside, something else I hate about what they’ve done with this – insta-woobie ooc Oswald)

Oswald tells him to look on the bright side. If Strange messed with his head, then Ed’s not responsible for what happened. Ed asks where to find Hugo – but the conversation is interrupted by an explosion.

One of Oswald’s men tells him that GCPD and the army have blown the gates

Oswald whispers to him

Grab Nygma - they want him, not me

(An aside – the speed with which Oswald is willing to sell Ed out is honestly hilarious)

Ed – however – has legged it, leaving a fulminating Oswald behind.

The doors to the main hall are blown open, and a smoke bomb is rolled on. Harvey and Eduardo enter. Oswald waits amidst all the smoke – probably for the drama more than anything

Why hello Harvey!

He teases him about the ammo situation last time. Harvey tells him they don’t want his territory. They want him to put down his weapons and hand over Ed Nygma.

The situation, I think, is now more about Oswald being pissed that his turf has been invaded than anything else. He tells them to leave by the time he counts to three, or he’ll shoot everyone.

Harvey stands his ground.

Oswald smiles

You’re not thinking clearly, Harvey. Maybe call your boss - see what he thinks

(An aside – Oswald is so offended that he’s even having to look at someone from GCPD who isn’t Jim. Ugh. This day just gets worse. Funnier yet is his conviction that Jim will tell Harvey to come back to GCPD and stop bothering him)

There’s a staring match. Oswald’s men all wind up shot, and Oswald is taken in to GCPD.

Ed is in Sirens - on his knees in front of Barbara. She tells him all Gotham is looking for him

He replies that he needs information – your speciality

(An aside. What? Since, like - when? When did information become Barbara’s speciality? I know she likes power and money. She’s also fond of violence and casual cruelty. But information? When was that supposed to have happened?)

Barbara says she’s going to cut his face into a jigsaw puzzle. Ed urgently asks her if he’s dumb. If – in all the years she’s known him – he’d ever done anything as brutally idiotic as this. He didn’t kill those people.

Well…. not exactly.

Barbara dismisses her guards. Ed tells her about Hugo Strange’s involvement, and how he suspects mind control. Whoever is responsible for the mind control killed those people, not him

Barbara says if by some miracle she believes him – why would she help?

Ed piques her curiosity by wondering what kind of powerful person would hire Strange and have Ed adapted in this way. He says that Barbara must know where Hugo is, and when he finds out who was responsible for the chip – he’ll share the intel. She’ll want to know, because, after all

Information is your lifeblood

Sure, whatever.

Barbara doesn’t know precisely where Hugo is, but can direct him to his Igors.

An interrogation room in GCPD. Oswald lies on his front on the floor, his lip bleeding. He looks up at Jim, who is apparently watching, and his face twists for a moment into a combination of pain and an appeal for help

For his part, Jim looks troubled. He’s not enjoying this – in fact, I would go so far as to say it looks like he can’t stomach it – but he’s tolerating it.

Jim replies to his pained look

You’re protecting a mass murderer - don't look to me for sympathy

(An aside. Yes – I ship this, but even with shipper glasses off – it’s pretty much there in the text. Oswald knows that he can appeal to Jim for sympathy. In responding to his look as he does, Jim is openly acknowledging that he would usually be a source of sympathy for Oswald. It’s an admission from them both that there are dimensions to their relationship that go well beyond cop/gangster and – more than that – an admission that they’re both aware of that)

Oswald spits blood

Fine. But not with that meat head around

Jim nods, and Eduardo leaves

Oswald laughs and rises from the floor

You know – they say you can judge man by the company he keeps

Jim retorts

This from a man who has no friends

(An aside – that sounds meaner than it actually played. It’s delivered in that slightly schoolyard tone Jim reserves for teasing Oswald – it’s not earnest or cruel. Also – as we’ve seen this season, just saw in this scene, and will see again in a moment – it’s just not true. Jim and Oswald have a relationship beyond work.

On top of that, you know – Jim – if not for the fact that Harvey is an extraordinarily forgiving man, your own friend list would have tumbleweeds blowing through it.)

Jim and Oswald take a moment to give each other a long, complicated look. This scene is full of long complicated looks. Neither of them particularly want to be in this situation, but their hands have been forced.

Oswald tells Jim that Nygma is a patsy, not a mass murderer. He likes puzzles, games, killing – but killing hundreds of people – that’s not him, Jim knows this.

Jim asks who set him up

Oswald laughs, and leans back in his chair.

Jim - you want info, I want to go home

Jim grimaces.

Eduardo’s not going to go for that.

Oswald smiles before pressing Jim’s button

I'm sorry – I thought you were in charge

Jim grimaces angrily and leans on the table

Even if I were to let you go – the army is going to come after you: things are changing in Gotham

I'll take my chances

Jim blinks. He seems, to be honest, tired and uncertain.

Do you want Nygma or not?

Jim looks at him, and then glances sidelong at where Eduardo waits outside.

Jim leaves the interrogation room and talks to Eduardo

I know where Nygma’s going

Eduardo looks at him, then past him, nudging the door to let it swing open – revealing an empty room. He looks back at Jim

I trust you know what you’re doing?

They leave to go find Ed

(An aside. Quite a complicated little scene. Neither Jim nor Oswald want to be in that room – but external forces have shoved them in there anyway.

There’s a lot of history in the looks that are going back and forth. Like I said, we have the explicit acknowledgment that Jim is likely to offer Oswald sympathy when others won’t. We also have the open admittance that Jim knows Oswald sees him as a soft touch, and that he will likely give in anyway – just not in this particular circumstance, because the destruction of Haven was such a big deal.

Oswald also knows that pressing Jim’s buttons over control and power is likely to be effective.

Last up – we have Jim obliquely warning Oswald of the danger the army poses to him. He’s not threatening him here, or trying to intimidate him. If anything, his tone is almost pleading. He doesn’t know how handle this situation. He’s asked for help – and help has finally arrived – but Jim’s not actually sure what to do with it now it’s here. Eduardo plainly told Jim that Oswald was at the top of their hit list. Jim’s response? Let him go, warn him that danger is coming.)

In some lab facility somewhere, a body slides down a hatch.

It’s Hugo!

He’s complaining that the last body he was brought was gangrenous and completely unsuitable. When he turns, though, he sees Ed pointing a gun at him

Mr Nygma

Ed want to know how he control of his alter ego. He’s rambling a little, talking about his Ed side.

A curious Hugo remarks that he is Ed Nygma.

Ed says he’s also the Riddler.

Hugo’s professional side makes a rare appearance

How interesting

He adds, though, that he knows nothing about all that. He just tinkered and inserted a chip in his brain.

Ed wants to know who requested this. Hugo says he’ll write it down, so he can truthfully say that he didn’t tell Ed who was responsible. His pen, though, contains knock-out gas – which he sprays at Ed.

Hugo says that he’s mystified as to how Ed regained any awareness – and that he’ll just have to open him up and take a look under the roof.

Bruce is at GCPD looking for Jim. Instead, he finds Harvey, working at his desk

Sorry kid – it’s just me

He quickly takes in Bruce’s obvious distress, and takes his glasses off to regard him more carefully.

You all right?

Bruce says he’s fine – just looking for Jim. He remarks that he saw soldiers downstairs, trying to make some conversation – but still seeming distracted. Harvey watches him, concerned.

Yeah, the Army's finally gotten off their asses and decided to help. Jim's out with them now. Are you sure you're all right?

A tearful Bruce says that he doesn’t know. His usual careful defences crumble.

I see people losing their will to do good. People I love. What if we don't make it out of this?

Harvey looks at him. His face is sombre.

I'm not gonna lie, kid. These past few months, I've wondered the same thing. And when I don't know what to do, I come up here and I dig into these case files. I sit my ass down and I get to work. I used to hate this kind of paperwork; now it's the only thing that keeps me going. Why? Because the little things matter. Act by act, deed by deed, it means something. Even if no one notices or cares.

Bruce listens – taking in what he says

Thanks, Harvey.

He then does the classic Batman quick exit – leaving a slightly befuddled Harvey

(An aside - This scene between Bruce and Harvey was really lovely. Bruce is tired, upset, and worried about Selina. He's lost his conviction that things will work out, and everything looks hopeless to him right now. Harvey doesn't have the answer to any of that - but he does have an honest way to go on with things: do the work. It doesn't have to be showy and praised by all and sundry. Do something useful - and know that the deed itself and the results are both worthwhile.

It was an understated scene that still got across some very big issues.

There’s the flagging of some key differences between Jim and Harvey – Jim’s need to be seen as a hero, and Harvey not sharing that same concern. There’s also insight into how someone who is as fundamentally unhappy and alone as Harvey finds a meaningful way of living. There’s also how much Harvey has changed since we first met him.

It's sweet, too, that Bruce confides in him. They don't know each other well - but he's still been a constant. Equally sweet is how Harvey talks to him. He doesn’t coddle him, or just try to cheer him up in the way that Alfred or Jim might. He’s simply honest. No platitudes, and no inspirational speech. He tells Bruce he’s just as scared as he is, and then offers him a way to deal with his fear.

Now - compare that simple moment of compassion, all the subtleties and pathos, and all the meaning it holds with the yelling and stilted dialogue at City Hall with Ed and Oswald. The difference is glaring.)

Hugo has top of Ed's skull off – pretty much like Hannibal tried to do to Will. According to Hugo, the gas he used on Ed immobilised him – but he can still feel pain. A simple reboot will fix the problem, though.

A City Hall, Oswald carries his dog along to a hatch in the floor. He carefully descends a ladder, still carrying him, and turns on a light. It’s a massive vault – full of gold and money and shiny things.

He smiles and tells the dog that the time has come for a change of scenery

I’ve said this for ages, sweetie. You’ve got all that crime money. Buy yourself a flat in Paris, another in Berlin. Florence, Athens, Barcelona…. go for it.

Back in the lab. Hugo says the electric charge must have overloaded the chip – but he’d fixed it. He will pass the good news to his handler. His smiles disappears when he realises that a gun is being held to his head.

He protests. He’s just helping a man who needs medical attention! Hugo is vile – but BD Wong is fantastic.

Jim walks round Hugo to look at Ed, whose eyes are open. Hugo petulantly says he gave him biomedical anaesthesia – and brings him round.

Ed screams in pain and then immediately protests his innocence

I told you wasn't me!

Jim tells Hugo to talk. He says a contract came along, and developed a tool – gesturing to Ed, who is indignant.

How dare you

Eduardo contacts one of his men and tells him to escort Hugo out. He leaves with a ta ta

He smirks at an incredulous Jim

Sorry pal - this part of the op is need to know

Apparently Walker – the woman Jim has been talking to one the radio – wants Ed taken out now.

Jim is puzzled – asking if Walker is behind this - controlling Nygma

Eduardo shrugs that he hates the spooks crap. He just follows orders

Jim mentions Haven – reeling from the idea that Walker might have been behind it.

Eduardo says Jim is to put a bullet in Ed's brain

Jim replies with a flat no

Eduardo tells him to call it proof of loyalty - what Walker needs to see from him before she implements the relief plan. He tries to persuade him

Look at him. He's a loon. A cop-killer.

(An aside – the strong feeling we’re getting from Jim at this point is ‘yeah – but he’s my loon’ – in the same way that this is his screwed-up home, and his tyrannical gangster. I suspect this storyline might have lasted longer had the season not been truncated – and we’d have seen Jim gradually pull away from Eduardo, the man he thought was his friend, to acknowledge that he belongs to Gotham, and has emotional ties there that he’s not willing to break.)

Jim just wants the truth: did Walker destroy Haven?

Eduardo tells him ours is not to reason why – and says this is his chance to be part of the plan.

He adds that if Jim can’t pull the trigger on Ed – I’ll pull it on you

Jim stares

You’d kill me for some bureaucrat?

Eduardo is unperturbed. There’s really not one thought rattling around in that big beardy head of his

Mission comes first - you taught me that. What's your answer?

Jim says he saved his life one too many times. He feints putting his gun down, and then runs and escapes down the hatch in the wall we saw earlier. Wheeee!

Eduardo presses a button, and orders EdBot to find Jim and kill him

EdBot immediately complies, and also goes wheeeeee down the chute.

Eduardo watches him go – secretly envious that his orders apparently don’t allow him to go wheeee too.

Aha – so this is where that absurdly beautiful image of Jeremiah came from. He’s lying down, eyes shut, in some kind of cave. We see a rock pulled aside by Ecco

Boss - wake up

Jeremiah winces as he sits up. Ecco asks sympathetically if the stitches are still sore, and tells him he should have worn the armour she made.

Jeremiah curls his lip contemptuously, and tells her the bullet is making her sentimental – she should gave it a shake. Ecco obligingly does so – and nods excitedly when he asks her if that’s better.

He tells her he had to let Selina stab him once - verisimilitude trumps precautions. Ecco nods – and says Bruce and Selina had to think he was dead. Jeremiah rolls his eyes at her summary, and comments impatiently that he takes it she has news. She replies that it’s all systems go, and they head out.

(I suppose this is essentially canon, but – wow, does Jeremiah treat his ‘girlfriend’ with contempt).

Is Jeremiah in Wayne Manor? He addresses a man in a white coat, telling the dr he’s hearing good things. The doctor tells him his assistant thought he’d like to see the results.

Jeremiah is wide-eyed as he approaches two people we can only see from behind – who look, as best as memory serves, to be Bruce's parents.

Jeremiah laughs for a second, then opens his eyes wide – and tells them they look beautiful

I just love family reunions - don't you?

Jeremiah, confronted with the problem of what gift you can buy for your billionaire crush who likely has everything, has seemingly got very creative and cloned his dead parents.

General Observations

Jim is doing a classic Jim. He's been unhappy about the situation in the city for weeks – pleading for help. But now that official help of a sort has shown up - the kind Jim should want, and should back, and should identify with - he's wobbling. He balks at the idea of shooting Ed. He had no interest in arresting Oswald, let alone any qualms about letting him go, and looked downright unhappy in the interrogation room. When push comes to shove, Jim has relationships with these people - whether he’ll acknowledge it or not

To analyse it more closely in terms of Jim's psychology - the army element plays a role too. He might talk about his time there fondly - but, ultimately, he chose to leave. When Barnes - who was father figure and army past combined - showed up, Jim barely waited until the end of his first episode before disobeying him to going off to see Oswald – leaning on their special relationship and warning him about the new regime.

He repeats that pattern again here. Jim might want to represent that kind of authority - but a part of him is always looking to buck it, too. It's part of the reason, I think, that he and Oswald are more likely to squabble during Oswald's particularly tyrannical phases.

And all of that disquiet is even before we find out that Walker is likely corrupt and dreadful.

The whole thing with Ed. Eh. I know what they’re trying to do here. The problem, for me, is that it’s not really outside the bounds of possibility that Ed could knowingly have destroyed Haven. Sure – the whole affair would have been showier, and Ed would have made some kind of speech beforehand – but still. Ed - and Barbara – actually, both watched from a high window while Gotham tore itself apart under the Tetch virus. Neither of them flinched at what they saw.

It’s weird – because you don’t need to downplay Ed’s capacity for sadistic violence in order to also entertain the notion that part of him might be horrified by it. That, after all, is a crucial part of his characterisation: that he is frequently fractured, with various facets of his personality more or less dominant. In season one, we saw that certain aspects of his personality were almost completely suppressed. Later, we saw the season one version of him humiliated and berated by darker aspects of his personality, as well as horrified by what it had him do when it ‘took over’.

So – you can have your cake and eat it really – you can have a character who is capable of dreadful things, as well as the tragedy that some drowned part of him is horrified and disgusted by what he has done, and simply endures it with no ability to speak up. That would work with Ed’s extreme rage and fear at the loss of control he’s been enduring.

What doesn’t work, though, is retconning him to be a better person than he is. I’ve watched Ed torture because he enjoyed it. Kill because he felt like it. I’m not entirely sure I buy that he’d be horrified by what happened to Haven.

Miscellaneous

I have no idea whether Selina knows about Tabitha yet. She must – it makes no sense that she wouldn’t – but there was no indication of her reaction to that.

Similarly – I don’t really understand why no-one has said a word about Lee yet. I’m guessing it’s because we’re simply not ‘there’ yet in the story – but it makes no logical sense.

Alfred said a lot that was true about respecting Selina’s decision, but – ultimately- his advice to leave Selina alone simply comes off as callous.

Lucius must have had a day off today.

#gotham commentary #pena dura #gotham s5e05

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lil-miss-methodical · 7 years ago

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China: For those of you who haven't noticed - I'm a black female, and this adds influence as to why I love China even more on Disney. Because growing up I noticed that when it comes to Disney, each generation really only gets that one black girl for big Disney productions. When I was growing up that girl was Raven Symone. I haven’t seen many follow after her - in fact I can count on one hand and none of them have yet to be the focal in a film franchise. A lot of people think this generation's is China McClain but the truth is Disney ain't really shown her the respect and shine she deserves. They actually were more courting the bae, Zendaya. This is until she decided to finally throw in the towel and leave it behind.

I was viewing something from Disney the other day and I just felt so frustrated. It was one of their normal productions - girl's finds herself down the proverbial musical hole of adventure and love and I sat there wondering at the lack of balance when it comes to diversity. I'm not saying that Disney hasn't produced features with young black girls at the core...I'm saying they're few and far between and that's still disheartening because they cannot claim lack of talent or reach. China has been under their umbrella for years - she's everything Disney claims to always want - a triple threat - acting, singing, and a dancer. She's animated, and talented, and she already presents herself the role model everyone pretends a Disney star has to be. They can't claim to have no story for her because for one let's be honest - shes that type of actress that Disney should be excited to write for and for two...Uma is presented in a way that she's just picking for a spin off.

The fact that she doesn't have her own film franchise at this point is just jaw dropping and upsetting all at the same time. The window for minorities is still only opened with the slight. And this has just been speaking on black girls in Disney...we always marvel at the fact that there's only one black Disney princess...but the number is about the same for other races that aren't white. I can't turn on my local Disney channel and find many Asian/Latina/ Indian/etc girls leading the musical journey to self discovery and love either.

And don't get me wrong - on one hand I would even argue that someone of that production saw the potential in both China and Uma and lowkey wanted that spinoff. I say that because there was heavy set up in the writing of the character and her story that demanded more. There was also these side elements like the undercurrent between Uma and Harry leading him to be her possible interest. And while fans like to disrespect these factors by - ignoring them and pretending like there was a display between Harry and anybody but Uma...it is in fact there and intentional. When we get to the end there's this set up of openness and presentation of continuity - audience can easily believe with it all that Uma would be getting her shine in her own story in that moment. So yes, I do believe someone behind the scenes had this concept of a spin off but the small sneak peek of the next film seems to have closed the window even more. Maybe they saw fandom response - read - lack of love/respect for Uma and in some ways China herself. And that's another frustration all of its own.

China did her job - she didn't only perform - she brought down the house, set it on fire then rebuilt from the ashes. So when I say Uma deserves better...I also mean the actress herself. People sit in their homes and sing along to her anthem Whats My Name and they don't see how it speaks on both the character and the young woman behind her brilliance.

Uma: As I've already said, Uma means more to me than a fictional character I like. She stands for more than that. I could list a million reasons why Uma deserves her story to be told...but the truth is, only one reason matters - She has a story that can carry itself and people are interested in that story. That's it, that simple.

Uma is an interesting character. The moment she enters the scene she steals the show. There's an electricity to her...she's consumed with all the disrespect and deprecation she's experience during her short life, she's driven by a ball of bitterness at being left behind and tossed aside. Externally her actions are wrong but her emotions and her displeasure are stemmed from a very real place that in itself is valid. There are these moments that present whats underneath all that hardness and bluff that she fights to hide - the side of her that sings her anthem about people knowing her name but she doesn't forget the main message - US. You left us here and we're going to show you that leaving us here is the worst decision. She speaks not of leaving hers behind, she is in fact the reason the sea3 exist it's her keeps that image in front of them as she stands between the two. That moment on the deck when Mal throws the VKs in her face and she turns towards Harry with her eyeroll and that 'show ha who my bestie is' chin tap she gives Harry - this isn't as haters describe - to get at Mal, so much as to say, you're not the only one with friends honey and mine are willing to fight for me this time around - I know loyalty and mine are bad too. Uma is a murical character. Mal says something mean and Uma giggles, Mal tells her her bite ain't nothing - she shows her teeth. Mal taunts her with her lack of being able to be a VK, Uma shows whose on her team. She refuses to let Mal have anything over her head on the small table because the girl already has so much power over her. However, as bad as she wants to screw over Mal she does not choose to throw over a beloved friend to do so...that had been done to her and she knows how it feels.

It's this duality that makes one want to fight for her, cheer her on, want her to overcome. It's always difficult to watch those who were hurt want to hurt. But that's sometimes reality, it's a cycle. I hate the way the franchise treats Uma though. As though Mal has no place in her battle. As though Mal is the hero that was just chosen. That's not true at all and Mal has yet to take in the lesson herself, for any chance she gets she feeds that little monster inside Uma that tells her she's not good enough, that she's worthless, unimportant. How do you have a franchise about bad being a gray area and we as humans being salvageable but then feeding into fandoms disgusting habits by claiming Mal is better than Uma.

She's driven mad by anything related to Mal because of Mals constant reminder to her worth. It's easy from what you see or read to assume that Uma's relationship with her mother ain't stable. Seems like Ursula borders on depressed and her only real interaction with her daughter stems from having her and her crew work in her shop. She (Ursula) had failed and been banished and as far as she could see her daughter wasn't even capable enough to rule the prison they'd all been banished to much less total domination. There is a def lack of interaction here unlike with the VKs and their mother's. This makes Uma's interest in lasting bonds not a stretch because thats the kind of thing she hasn't experienced - the VKs were probably like the golden standard - they had the power, and the familial bond. But joining with them is an absolute no go cause Mal hates her guts. We in turn get the sea3. I prefer this to be honest. Because reality is - sometimes there's these groups you think have everything you want and you wanna be apart of it but they ain't nothing but poison for you. I had that experience in high school so that concept is relatable. I don't want the franchise to end with Uma joining the VKs. The ones that surround her now - at her low point and still tell her she matters - are the ones she should remain with. Heck I don't even want Uma future to be represented like the VKs. People are so interested in getting out...instead of fixing what's there. I think someone like Uma who can relate to all the bad sides of that life and what comes with it, she would be a great asset to the kids who like her had negativity and self doubt built into them. Taking them out of the zone isn't enough. Some of these kids have the belief that the life they have is all they're worth.

Uma's dream isn't actually to take over the world. It's to prove to people that she's somebody worth something and I for one think that's a hella message.

Ships: Let me start off by admitting that I don't take those who ship Ben and Uma seriously. It seems people think they're cute cause he said some nice things when his life was in danger...romance that does not make. Ben reminds me that some people pay you in lip service, but when the time for action is needed they're missing. That's not to say that Ben doesn't honestly want to do right by Uma and those left behind after seeing how that can affect them, and I'm here for a distant type of friendship out of them...that's about it cause I'm honestly just not a fan of Ben. He's 50 shades of boring. I can't even conceive the notion of him and Uma because the thought of him being a match for Harry is laughable at best. Plus I don't like the concept of male presence and voice of reason making a female come to her senses that comes with Ben. I like the concept of female self discovery coming from within...not because of some random guy that never actually put any effort in placating her life.

I refuse to even give the Mal and Uma ship any shine these days because I realize the bull it is and how disrespectful it is to China and Uma as a character. All these headcanons that makes Mal the center of everyone's love and Uma the one with left overs and adding another level to how she got left behind isn't really entertaining to me. To pretend that Uma is just a scorned lover instead of a girl that was bullied and reeling for someone to see her worth is something I'm not willing to do either.

I'm all in for Harry and Uma and it's more than that amazing chemistry Thomas and China has and the fact that they're both stunners who look good together in these forms. No it's because he's the best friend she deserves. He's the family that's not made of blood but bonds and choice. He accepts all of her - he in no way try's to demean her, he doesn't tell her how amazing she is, he tells other people yes but he shows her. This is because he understands where that need comes from. He can empathize with her need for captainship, for control, for power. And he doesn't mind giving into those needs because it does him no foul. Anything she needs is his first priority. Her enemies are his enemies. Anyone steps out of line with her he pushes them back in often before she even notices there's an issue. To be frank there’s a need for others to see her worth and Harry does. There are times he literally feeds into it - The scene at the shop where she turns towards him and says with all that desperation in her voice, ‘what’s my name’ he doesn’t hesitate, doesn’t balk. Instead he looks her directly in the eye, leans so she’s over him (towering helps one feel power), pulls off his hat (a sign of seriousness and respect), and says in a deep guttural voice - ‘Uma’. He understands her and intentionally maneuvers to help her in overt and subtle ways. The reason I love this though is because it's not used in a messy way. Thats t’s not used as a solution to her problem. It shows his love for her, yes. Its important, yes. It keeps her moving and pushing but its not a solution to her problem because in truth it's not other people that need to see her worth...it's her that needs to see and believe it. But with Harry, she can have love and self discovery- without one erasing the other and I'm here for that.

I also just really love their dynamic. I find it fascinating that people have this so called problem with their dynamic - the fact that she leads and he follows. Why is it when a woman has the control in the relationship or dynamic she is then therefore manipulative and in essences bad. Why is it a male is seen as weaker if he follows a female instead of falling into the assumption of having to lead. Why is the male not seen as strong for going against the processes of society, for choosing the role that makes him happy, for not resisting her power - her claim- her needs. Understand that Harry chooses to follow Uma. She has cast no spell on him, she’s not bending his arm. No one can control Harry, most people can’t even talk to him, he does what he wants consequences be damn - until it comes to Uma.

She’s the captain and yet there's no subtle resentment no harshness. I think this is because she doesn't forget to let him have his moment, have his shine. Normally a captain has a sense of greedy - I, I, I - and while Uma uses her I words, she stills lets his soak up the shine with her. They’re gonna take over together - not one overshadowing the other. In the shine of her anthem Uma is the focal yes, but like she doesn't forget to shine on the us concept of we all got left behind - there is this intentional positioning of Harry. This is intentional because while its the sea3 - only the two of them needs that kind of presence. Gil is not consumed in that way. But with Harry, he’s either always at her helm opening up the image to her or beside her. There's only one moment his not and it's with her at his helm. She's perched on her thrown and he has the stage (one that until that moment only she has been able to present on) and he's preforming and she has the best seat in the house, front row center. It's the imagery that really sets up what their dynamic is. They can say how attached they are but it's not until you see just how joined at the hip they in fact are that you believe it. It's the little things that prove their understanding of one another. People like to pretend it's about her manipulating him and it's really not. They're friends and they have similarities that bond them - they both have these needs to be 'legends' that in some way stem from their parent. This is why they both in some way allow the other to be in the forefront getting that shine.

In a few ways I feel like we’ve only scraped the surface of their dynamic. Theres this scene in the film where they’re at the shop and he’s giving her this look and its this intense moment because they’re faced to face and its almost like a challenge. This is way different from their normal dynamic where he usually gives into her. This time however, he chooses to tower over her, lean into her space. Theres something sensual in the air, as though he’s daring her. You def get the feeling of in this moment they’re both aware of whats between them and he’s silently telling her to step up but she’s the resistant one and in the end has to look away - doing something she normally does not like to do, back down from a challenge. I lived in this moment, because it was such a small scene but held so much power to undercurrents of their relationship and their characters. I would love to see this side of them explored more.

One thing I fear about for their relationship though is not just her resistance and fear, but also who Harry is. Like Uma, what he does is deeply tied to his past and identity. Out of all the characters, he’s the one who most likes the world of the bad. He doesn’t have a personal vendetta against Mal but he does find her new found goodness to be boring and a betrayal to what they all stand for. He hates been not for the silly reason Dove created, but simply because Ben stands for goodness. The more Ben talks the more he dislikes him (I can relate). If you watch Harry you notice he actually watches Uma a lot. There is a big part of him that loves the bloodthirsty malevolent side of her. There are times he gazes upon her with this look of worry like she will give in to the good that others are speaking of. Every time she does something to oppose that he grins, like a real life I’m happy presentation. So I wonder if Uma does have her redemption moment how does that effect Harry. Honestly I can’t imagine Uma not having that dual side of herself. Just like I can’t picture Harry walking around Auradon in preppy clothes and singing at prom. So I am interested to see how that could all play out and how and where they can find their place in a way that really works for them.

Huma is just that good stuff. It doesn't have to be over said...their actions put them in that position.

Things I want but most likely won't get from Disney: *A Uma forefront focal film...really the sea 3 could really have their own show if we're honest *Mal to face how her actions affects others...and an apology would be nice *Huma...huma...did I say Huma! Not that fake surface interaction but that deep soul kinda thing. They have it and many want to see it put to work. *If Uma has to have a slow song - let it be something Todrick Hall's Painting in the Rain. It opens with -

Sticks and stones Hurt harder when you know their thrown From no farther than your own sweet home And you fall flat on the welcome mat You won't be welcomed at (walk that line) There's no when you gotta choose a side There's no gray there's only black and white And it just ain't right If we fight then it's just like Painting in the rain

I think a song with this kind of vibe would be perfect because it speaks on her own personal struggles while also speaking on the general message of not just fighting, but fighting for the right side. Of course it can't be this song - Todrick's speaking more on the lack of equality in the matters of race and sexuality and how we’re slowing progression. But this same vibe, this same tone of story telling would be great for Uma and China really has range with her voice that they could use for a number like this. Given the times we're in, given Uma's message - it could be a powerful number.

I've been having this daydream of Harry and Uma doing this big dance number on the ship with the pirate crew. It's loud and big - with a lot of bang in the beat because pirates are rowdy and always hit the counts. But it's also salsa-ish and sexy with the theme of love - because come on it's Huma. This number just won't leave my head y'all - and it got worse the other day because Todrick released Forbidden and he has a song called Forever and it is everything I imagined for this number! Every time I hear it I can see the scene even clearer. Uma's hair isn't in braids it's long and loose down her back in curls like China had it during rehearsals. As they dance Harry watches her with those magnetic eyes of his. When that second half beat drops in some of the pirate members take the floor with Gil as the lead for a sick stomp number that has the floorboards jumping and dust dancing into the air. This moment isn't about them being angry, it's just them having a moment. It's Harry getting Uma to let go for one second and just let loose and have fun. I think it's important to show the downtime side of them not just the side that is consumed with getting their due.

*More freaking Gil! Who is he, what makes him tick? And yes I'm here for him being gay.

*More Harry backstory

Honestly I don't think they are gonna give me anything I want in this next production. That little snippet was enough to make me feel that way. The productions handle of promoting has led me to believe that. If I'm being frank they'll probably ruin Uma in the next one. I try to hold onto hope but Disney ain't got a good track record. They never know when to let go, they continue to beat the dead horse so to speak by trying to force the same character we've already moved on from onto us. But that's the American entertainment way...even when there is an audience begging for something that's missing...

But don't get it twisted - As a character Uma has it all. And as a fan, I'm always ready to watch another Queen conquer.

#disney descendants #uma #harry hook #huma #China Anne McClain #films #representation #diversity #gil #opinion piece #character appreciation #part 3 #female characters #black characters

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startwithbrooklyn · 3 years ago

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THE GREAT ND REWATCH OF 2021 / OCTOBER 5, 2019 // return of josh

oooookay folks! that's a wrap! below are my comments about tonight's ep + additional expansions on previously stated opinions. i'm not combining s2 ep 1 with this bc s2 is dead to me! so is s3! i only did this to gather up all these loose thoughts i had when this show with its one lonely season became such a comfort to me that i developed a second consciousness about it. but with these posts i am done! the evil is defeated! i will carry on through the 3rd and hopefully final season of nancy drew with less emotion and better spirits. thank god.

-"talk to owen" nancy firstly thinks of talking to owen only to see what happens w the agleaca; saying goodbye comes as sorta an afterthought mirroring tiffany's possession of george. yet nancy was unable to say goodbe to owen just like w kate. knowing this reveal about kate, i wonder if this was foreshadowing that something big will be revealed about him later? unlikely but still

-nancy + the reality of broken things: 'totems' like broken sand glass sculpture (good place) to show you it's not a dream; "owen broke that" ghost trap to ground him to reality, like how she reached for her locket in the good place, lucy's charm, ace's bear ('totems' idea borrowed from inception)

-george has never been an affectionate person, even with other women- so why does pda with nick suddenly become so important?

-lots of comments about ryan + women but what about carson/kate and karen? again with the hypocritical (interestingly, there is an aspect of violence to women connected with ryan (even though that violence is not his fault); but its not like kate or karen fared well either)

-ryan feels useless- relationships with women as stated by nancy- he seeks to redeem himself by showing up where nancy goes to prove he is good to have around/necessary/needed - but now that he is attempting to act as a parent he has to break through nancy's defenses all over again- firstly she didnt really consider him any kind of threat bc he comes off as incompetent- ie bad business deals- i think i mentioned last ep, their hauntings equalize them as they both attempt to gain peace by searching for answers but now ryan has changed the terms of engagement so he's back to square one, with carson. (which is how we find them s2 cowering in ryans car stalking nancy together)

-ryan's relationship to nancy exposes an interesting layer here. so far she doesnt know about nick/george but they still hold the cards (ie george gets one over on nick's ex/"the new girl") with the revelation of ryan being nancys father, nancy gains an interesting trump card in navigating the social fallout of being nick's ex. like george would take the new spot but then nancy comes out with george's ex in a much higher category. this plays out later on in the ep when george confronts ryan. george wants to talk about "them" but ryan shows up completely focused on nancy, thus illustrating the trump

-"i thought it was whitney with another insipid question" to me this sounds like whitney took bess's advice earlier about "asking aunt diana what she wants" (only to learn it actually annoyed the hell out of diana lmaoo)

-"then you need to fight for it" this hearkens nancy earlier by asking "arent you in by virtue of dna?" the test was positive; she is a marvin just like nancy is a hudson. thats not a fact that they can change. however, diana really acts like it can be changed- and in s2 we see it does change. its interesting for bess to be told to fight to be in a family she's already in and also foiled by nancy trying to fight her way out of her own family. would like to see bess stand up to diana and say something. i mean, she exists. as much as she may want to erase bess from the family, diana cannot erase her existence

-hannah's rolled up sleeves 💙

-"previous keepers records" -from s2- were those not her parents??

-mistaken murderers- everyone incorrectly assumes lucy was murdered just as they assume the agleaca killed owen

-even if owen weren't the price, how can they pay the toll without one of the people who called? i mean if it was anything other than owen and he still died they still wouldve been fucked

-"you don't need to check, i'm not even driving!" okay and giving up the goss. cassidy is me. lmfaoooo

-wonder if this locked marvin industries box will ever come back

-UNPOPULAR OPINION: george's confrontation with ryan comes waytoo late to do anything. i think i brought this up in an earlier post. its literally just her screaming at him now. like he is clocked out moved on. you know a good time for this scene? in the claw when he comes by to "check on her". hes vulnerable, fresh from rehab. and she has a chit over him for punching bookcases/the fuckin country club deal. therewould have been a perfect time to confront ryan on what happened- "what you did to me" okay sis. you admitted ep 1 you werent in hs anymore. youre of age now. admit you fucked up. take the L to force him to swallow the bigger L. and imagine how much more powerful the scene would have been- in george's domain, literally her own office, something ryan doesnt even have because HE DOESNT DO SHIT. ryan is SO EASY to trap but nobody notices. instead they have george try to get some kind of apology out of him when hes already done with that, and only for the sake of her establishing a new relaionship to boot. imagine how much more empowered she would feel if she just got that closure for herself- because she needed it, not so she could trot straight back to nick being all proud of calling a grown man to some random estate only to scream at him in a parking lot and have accomplished nothing. 🤦🏼‍♀️

-i get patrice thinking nancy is lucy but yeahhhhh this isnt how dementia works 😬

-i almost cant with nance and josh. how do you save your would-be murderer? (+ lucy's best friend and brother are in jail, her mom is lost to her mentally; all she has left is nancy and ryan)

-tbh i had no idea how to spell agleaca until bess said "theres no i in agleaca!" i thought it was igleaka like 😂

-damn how george just stares at nicks hand and then gets out herself is just so sad (like she immediately rectifies it but still...)

-"curiosity" part II; nancy who comes back to the sea after her mother died in it- agleaca drawn to lucy's trauma/to agleaca, lucy died fir "love"- would nancy be willing to risk the same? // this is also one of nancy's "mirroring mom" moments: winning sea queen, going to the velvet masque, getting caught by celia, having a "chat" with everett, and "falling" off the bluffs

-the collector 🎵👌🏻

-i wonder if there's any significance to the locations/means of their deaths; nancy's is pretty straight forward in terms of where and how, but why george and nick drowning, in the truck specifically? drowning in love? idk. ace's at the claw i get, but he gets himself caught? in what precisely? what does the fish hook mean? and bess's makes the least sense- burning alive? in the marvin estate? maybe the agleaca picked the most painful death for the marvin blood relation? idk. up for debate lmk ya thoughts

and lastly:

-i remember seeing this ending for the first time and i had just been traumatized by avengers endgame and since black widow is also a redhead seeing that shit at the bottom of the cliff it was like 😰😰😰 TOO SOON

-random thoughts-

these are just things i noticed, feel free to grapple with them or take note of them for extrapolation in s3 (lord knows i wont be) they probably belonged in recaps for previous eps but i either didnt find them in my notebook or couldnt fit them in

•nancy and truth/the perception of truth: using facts to suit theories instead of creating theories to suit facts- nancy often plays with the perception of truth and the details that fall between the steps; but she is also a victim to them by people who also know how to play the game (ie Carson) ex lying about the dress (tea cups and knives, trash got picked up, bail paid 1 hr ago) her inferences can be off from what others tell her ("people always lie") but she can also come to the wrong conclusions organically (carsons trial) more willing to believe the best in others/wanting them to be innocent (think nick ep 1) but later finding out the truths hurts more so she chooses to isolate herself and avoid involving others to be spared pain

•maybe i'm dumb, but who is "mr marvin" exactly? owen? the bald guy from the funeral? this comes from the guy who takes sailboats out like ep 4ish and says "ive worked for the marvins 20 years" she compliments the ship, he says "mr marvin and i just took her out this morning" so?? who is that? plus last ep just saying cassidy and isaac are her "late husbands children" dows thet mean sebastian? like did diana marry in? i feel like it would be odd for her to so embrace the "marvin way" if she wasnt a true born marvin

•ik college becomes a more s2 topic but none of the crew have ever been to college 🤔

•nick + the relationships with people whose reputations are tarnished: tiffany with investigating the hudsons/marvins, josh with murder/attempted murder, kate and 'stealing'/lying about nancy (esp compared to her almost preternatural kindness i mentioned before), george and her mom/family's reputations --> this kind of segues into nick + the concept of believing people you love could be capable of horrific things- accidental or on purpose (see- having to tell his family what happened)

•at the beginning, nancy kind of seems to be the "i'm sorry you're upset" kind of apologist and knows it. she also doesnt usually apologize earnestly bc shes never really sorry (she always has to get what she needs first ie coins mess) and she doesnt want to lie; to me it seems she doesnt like to bother with other people bc they require certain cues/niceties that are often lies- they ask "how are you" without meaning it, they dont really want an honest response except "fine", they dont like it when you call them out on fakeness, etc/ they require apologies for their bruised feelings even if youre right (and nancy can be pretty rude/nasty if provoked- a harshness unsoftened by sympathy)

•cont'd from the good place ep- since kate apparently means nothing to nancy anymore according to last ep ("stop calling her my mother") is her policy of "always seek the truth" now null and void? this mantra is now tainted bc the person who gave it to her broke it so much. can nancy disengage w it now? does she fall from grace to be complicit in "mysteries" of her own like everyone else? does she lose some of her "god-like" holier than thou act bc she is now literally born and raised in the "darkness" of sins/ugly truths like everyone else's? (ie truth is ugly but not to nancy, until now)

•did lucy disappear because her "murder" was finally solved? or simply because her trauma was addressed- she never meant to tell anyone about her suicide plans, the twisted trauma of which was too great to contain/unable to move on due to "sin" - or unable to move on because secret of nancy's parentage still remained? "lucy never wanted me to figure out how she died" she only wanted nancy to figure out her parentage without solving the mystery, yet did lucy see/witness nancy's revelation at the claw, or with carson, or even ryan? waiting for karen/josh to know? or just vanished?

•concept of imperfect mom figures- lucy, kate, celia, victoria, even karen- who all struggle with failings

•since karen dispelled one of lucy's attempts at nancy's haunting at the garden party, is that proof she isn't haunting karen?

•the crew + needing adult help: george's possession and victoria, club busted and owen, car accident and mcginnis, thom and cipher, larkspur lane and sal, bones and john, agleaca and hannah

•everett is always sitting- at his home office, at dinner, at yacht club (wonder if that was his actor + had to do with his recasting?)

-dad talk-

•both her dads think negatively on her "girl detective" thing but ryan sees use in it as a means to get answers, carson would never 'use' her in that way

•nancy + carson : suffering

"what about what i wanted?" + carson being imprisoned for weeks but she immediately rejects him (the DAY he gets his freedom no less) with no regard to his suffering (caused by herdiary!!) in regards to her own from this new knowledge (she does suffer a lot- "almost dying is my new normal" but still)/ the "thankless job" of parenting

•nancy + adults - connected to cop thing a few posts earlier : nancy is v precocious and smart for her age- she is "old enough" but also has trouble with the "adults" in her life- fathers, moms, karen, and cops letting her down but depends heavily on "adults" she cantrust- hannah gruen, john sander, lisbeth- highlighting her youth and occasional naiveté; nancy is unafraid to hold adults accountable for their actions (ie karen) but also loses them as allies along the way. both hannah and john are very nonthreatening and also experts in their fields, while her fathers and karen are revealed to be "just another brick in the wall" average, capable of mistakes, and not the people she expects them to be, while characters like john and hannah can only benefit nancy because either they do not mean as much to her or have no reason/nothing to gain by lying; they are purposefully shown to be small, demure, gentle, and nonthreatening as foils/opposed to karen, ryan, and josh whom she previously trusted; carson (+kate) is nonviolent as well but has the biggest betrayal which is perceived as an act of violence to her very personhood/shattering who she thought she was so she cannot be that anymore (admits truths to john "everytime i dig i hurt everyone" and hannah-agleaca) : unclear if redemption is possible for anyone :

•nancy bonds with carson over loss and then ryan over haunting. but actually, nancy rejects carson over loss bc she wanted to say goodbye and wasnt allowed to- so carson was with kate but nancy was not. nancy and ryan are more equals about haunting bc they both start around the same time and conclude together as well [nancy and ryan bond over thinking their parents conspired to kill lucy- think sitting on the floor at velvet masque] nancy is appreciated by ryan for her ability to get answers- he has no qualms about going through her/outside of police bc he wants results/instant gratification and thinks nancy is more so the expert in her field/respects her even through her age- once again acknowledging she is braver than he is (think lucy + claw parking lot) and her portent in the car freaks him out bc shes usually always in control, esp with him

•bc nancy was told "you can't be afraid of the truth" until she was / ironic bc shes braver than him except when the truth is they are related then she's scared to tell him while he actually starts to take some initiative

•nancy picked "the wrong person" to help her through her grief in her dad's eyes like her mom's best friend was somehow a better choice? carson truly "parents" nancy even during grief and haunting (which she rejects) whereas nancy and ryan are really equals in all their situations which is actually better for her and easier for her to maintain- nancy's expectations are low so anything that ryan gives is a bonus. nancy's expectations of carson were shattered by his lies so now she has nothing to connect with him about- they could barely even connect when sharing the same grief- carson actually very hypocritical hence nancy's upset at karen revelation yet carson doesn't agree bc hes the "adult" and shes the "child" not realizing she hadnt been one for a long time (hidden staircase perhaps?) whereas ryan better treats her with lack of controlling parental nature bc he is impressed with her competence before he receives that knowledge; "lucy was smarter than me too" acknowledging her intellect negates his ability to "parent" ie control her to leave him solely with caring about her wellbeing in her situations + aftermath - i honestly dont think carson would ever admit that shes smarter than him* bc he thinks shes not "all grown up" yet ("youve kept me on the bench for years"); ryan is more willing to meet her where she's at which is so important for all her good relationships - ace, owen, etc

*carson asks for nancy to figure out "who to trust" in ep 12, finally admitting that she is useful/ie acknowledging that her skills/abilities do help, are necessary, and can in fact save lives --> this is then s2 follow up by working for him (but it takes him that long)

•ryan/nancy/carson venn diagram - using sex to escape trauma

•if not carson vs ryan then what about celia and everett vs patrice (and josh)? at this point in the narrative, do you think ryan's parents would take his side should the knowledge become public (without their involvement), or deny nancy?

•"we were a family" + the disruption of family dinner- kate was really the one holding that family together and her death makes it unsustainable

okay!! that's all folks! i have exhausted my plethora of nancy drew thoughts + knowledge. you will never have to hear from me again!! TYSSM 😘

#brooklyn's ND primer #nancy drew cw #the Great Rewatch of 2021 #you best start believing in ghost stories miss drew - you're in one

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socksual-innuendos · 4 years ago

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Actually op i had a theory about this.

I always figured that Carla was a wee bit dependa-y and ugh, sheltered in some regard? We dont have a lot to go off of but the way she acts, regardless of being pregnant, sounds like a city girl who married an active military man who suddenly lost her old way of life due to being tied down to a man who no longer has his well paying job. Shes pregnant with his child, and while i believe she does love him, that doesnt prevent her from feeling resentments toward him/their situation.

Going into headcanon, i think someone mentioned she was pretty, and when she was single I had the idea that she was use to getting specific attention due to that in the city. This suddenly changes once shes in a small town and and is pregnant. Not even necessarily in a bad way, just the attention she gets isnt due to her being an available, fun woman in a place where folks gamble and have fun, shes a pregnant woman in a town where you make honest living. The attention she now gets is no longer at her, for how quirky and mysterious she from across the bar, but is now focused on the baby. Maybe she hates that because people dont see her as a person and only see her as 'a new mother'. In their eyes they dont see her as Carla, the girl who enjoys x y and z, can bluff in any card game, or who loves old world liquors, she is now The Wife of that NCR Sniper who keeps us safe, and is the mother of his child. Having kids is a huge life change, especially if someone is as ego centered as Carla comes off from what were told.

Novac from my understanding isnt the best but also not the worst town. You had Nelson close by, before Legion took it over, which was its own sort of safety in NCR territory, and you have a doctor and a fenced in place to live. Its humble living but the folks there make due well enough. Traders come through, they can support a homeless man (nobark seems to be thriving just fine in his own way), old lady gibson is able to have her scrap yard and live alone without needing anything but her dogs thats maybe an hour or so walk from Novac. The town isnt more unsafe than freeside, and i could only see someone use to the strip or the city bustle complaining about the boonies like the way she did. Never are we really told by anyone that she tried to give the town a chance, and I think its lazy and dismissive of Carlas own flaws to blame everyones opinions on Jeanie May. Shes a city girl, and thats fine, but she's also not able to go back to her old life, and while that sucks, there are so many worse things in post apocalypse life.

That said I believe when she and Boone met, up to the time he knew of the pregnancy (i actually hc they got pregnant twice, given how odd the timeline seems for what his note says and why him in active duty would know of the baby) he was still an active elite sniper in NCR, per the note we find on Boones body. This makes me believe that she had considered his NCR pay and life style when she married him. Maybe not in a conscious way. Maybe he never brought anything up when he bought her things, or how he was stationed near/in vegas in a way that allowed her to live close enough to the city. When they married, this was her expected life style, and to have it abruptly change was not something she liked or even considered.

Bottok line I feel like Carla was use to being a bit privileged and sheltered and had a city life, and I definitely think she carried around entitlement to a large degree. I feel like if Jeanie May didnt sell her out she would have eventually come to realize that her old life style was not the norm for most people in the wastes especially outside cities, and it would have made or broken her in the long run.

Ok so I want y’alls opinion on this, Carla kind of really really sucks? Like almost to the point of her being toxic for Boone??

I know we don’t get a super clear picture of her character but everyone seemed to hate her, she seemed to go out of her way to be rude and cold to everyone, she seemed to be constantly trying to get Boone to leave his best friend and his home not really caring about if he enjoyed being there. Like idk I kinda feel like she was bad for him. Not that what happened to her was deserved of course.

#meta #carla boone

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twotoned2marta22-blog · 8 years ago

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CAT AND MOUSE ==>

[[ in which @carnivalsorphans follows Aradia onto trollian and they both try to antagonize each other, alternatively: what kinda timeline are we in where Ringleader is the morally upright one in this conversation ]]

-- carnivalsOrphans [CO] began trolling cataclysmicSwing [CS] --

carnivalsOrphans and for all that i know why ya got him, i don't know how ya intend to use him you gonna force him ta help ya? and is that the sorta empire you wanna serve, when all's said and done?

cataclysmicSwing that is the s0rt 0f empire i serve the s0rt 0f empire we all serve y0u must be pr0f0undly fucked in the pan t0 be thinking 0therwise

carnivalsOrphans well, duh, now i'm talkin about later, assumin your rail wins do you want ta be part of somethin that just forces everyone ta do everythin? or do you want a change? just a change of hands for the awful, or for a better world?

cataclysmicSwing y0u seem t0 have us mixed up with capt0rs vantas friends

carnivalsOrphans hahaha so yeah, you just want to have your rail be in charge i'm just tryinna get an idea of what you're after, sis :o)

cataclysmicSwing im n0t after anything

carnivalsOrphans yeah you are.

cataclysmicSwing really n0w

carnivalsOrphans you kidnapped a fucker, walked through the sun to do it you're hurtin you're after somethin you gotta believe in somethin to do that shit

cataclysmicSwing and i g0t it! stings, d0esnt it

carnivalsOrphans what do you believe in, sis?

cataclysmicSwing i am n0t a tr0ll 0f faith, cl0wn

carnivalsOrphans oh, every fucker is a troll of faith. don't gotta be in any greater power. everyone believes in somethin. believes that the world is shit. believes that the only fucker they can trust in is themselves. believes that their rail's cause is a worthy one believes that people shouldn't die

cataclysmicSwing pretty phil0s0phical arent y0u, ringleader

carnivalsOrphans ;o) sure am

cataclysmicSwing whatever happened t0 y0ur h0rns?

carnivalsOrphans an excess a belief :o)

cataclysmicSwing im n0t seeing them, arent y0u highbl00ded types s0 pr0ud 0f what y0uve g0t?

carnivalsOrphans hahahahahahahahahaha gods you are a LAUGH RIOT

cataclysmicSwing cl0wns seem t0 think s0

carnivalsOrphans and you're changing the subject~ don't want to answer me tryinna hurt at me, but you don't even know where to START

cataclysmicSwing why sh0uld i sit back and let a stranger questi0n me? pretty n0rmal t0 want t0 kn0w wh0 y0ure talking t0

carnivalsOrphans and i'm gettin ta know you! :o) i'll answer a question if you do~ might as well do this all 'fair'

cataclysmicSwing im n0t naive

carnivalsOrphans hahahahahahaha i ain't a highblood

cataclysmicSwing n0r am i c0l0rblind wr0ng psi0nic, try a g0ld

carnivalsOrphans look at that, you ARE a troll of belief believe what you want, sis, i'm just lettin ya get to know me cmon, ask me another question. give it a shot, anythin.

cataclysmicSwing y0u d0 realize n0thing y0u say will be c0nsidered valid right this is a waste 0f b0th 0ur times

carnivalsOrphans that's what makes it fun to tell the truth :o)

cataclysmicSwing n0t really

carnivalsOrphans why's it so bad for me ta ask just what it is you want with the world? ain't gonna affect you to tell me

cataclysmicSwing because i am n0t interested

carnivalsOrphans i'll just go ask that one teal chick then or mayhaps the tyrian herself

cataclysmicSwing als0 because even if y0u have tracked d0wn my c00rdinates by n0w, there isnt anything y0u can actually d0 with them cute bluff y0ure talking ab0ut )(er )(0liness meena)(, right

carnivalsOrphans i don't give a fuck about gettin to you no, i'm talkin about your rail

cataclysmicSwing 0h shes n0t taking calls right n0w

carnivalsOrphans i can wait :o) i'm sure i can find some way to make her talk at me

cataclysmicSwing if y0u d0nt give a fuck as y0u claim then why b0ther? arent y0u s0me c0nnecti0n 0f the limebl00ds?

carnivalsOrphans yeah we're acquaintances, i've been teachin him some shit i'm tryinna figure out, still, if i give enough of a fuck to bother stirrin shit and you're makin me lean towards shit stirrin ya wanted to convert me. try convertin me to apathy, it's the best thing you could do for your cause just this second

cataclysmicSwing if y0ur c0ncern is the capt0r c0ming t0 harm then that i can assure y0u is m00t

carnivalsOrphans keep guessin and try to convince me, cuz i'm not seein it considerin he's already needin a mediculler and you need him for somethin considerin he was raised for this :o)

cataclysmicSwing thats an interesting accusati0n capt0r was amp0ra pr0perty, slated t0 be a pale esc0rt

carnivalsOrphans hold on lemme go read the log again, my memory gets a bit fuzzy from time to time specially when the fuckin numbers quirk gets all up in it 'that a tyrian has been secretly breeding limebloods, bribes police to track down any that run away--' etcetera etcetera et fuckin cetera :o)

cataclysmicSwing previ0us 0nes sure d0esnt change wh0 his 0wner was

carnivalsOrphans doesn't change how bad she wanted him

cataclysmicSwing he has all the c0rrect mutati0ns and we are 0ut 0f time

carnivalsOrphans out of time for what? i get you need him i'm just tryinna figure out why

cataclysmicSwing n0 0ne can fight back

carnivalsOrphans oh oh hahahahahaha FUCK that's pale rape you SKEEZY ASS BITCH

cataclysmicSwing this isnt papping its psi 0therwise by that standard the entire castes existence w0uld be a rape 0ffense

carnivalsOrphans who gives a fuck, calmin someone without their permission is bad, no matter how the fuck it is you do it specially cuz you ain't even lettin HIM have the choice

cataclysmicSwing then please 0ffer s0me ideas as t0 h0w y0u w0uld defeat a tr0ll m0re than half the size 0f a battleship rev0luti0ns d0nt w0rk the signless didnt w0rk

carnivalsOrphans enough tranquilizer to kill a couple elephants and some real big lazers ground to air missiles

cataclysmicSwing 0h yes sure we can bring th0se int0 a private audience

carnivalsOrphans and somehow you're gonna bring a random ass lime into a private audience? any fuckin way, i'm not sayin don't do it. i'm just sayin it's a shitty ass thing to do you're disgustin, and if you're alright with that, then you go right the fuck ahead and be that way by the way, this is comin from someone who used ta torture people, so ya know. pretty gods damned messed up

cataclysmicSwing im n0t saying i like this plan just that there isnt anything else

carnivalsOrphans at least have the fuckin GUTS to admit that then

cataclysmicSwing 0ther than launching all-0ut war, and a smaller facti0n against several galaxies 0f l0yal tr00ps will n0t survive

carnivalsOrphans assassination is in this season

cataclysmicSwing thats what we intend t0 d0

carnivalsOrphans at least poison only hurts one person you think this ain't gonna fuck him up? you think this ain't gonna harm him?

cataclysmicSwing she is p0is0n0us

carnivalsOrphans sayin he ain't gonna get hurt like you ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT gods you are fuckin far gone

cataclysmicSwing is it fun being an ign0rant idealist, im just w0ndering

carnivalsOrphans and your rail is on the route ta bein just as poisonous as she is i ain't an ignorant idealist. i'm a realist. makin people do shit against their will fucks them up that's a fact

cataclysmicSwing hes been given the 0pti0n t0 c00perate and he will still be given the 0pti0n h0w he makes peace with his inv0lvement is n0t my pr0blem t0 fix largescale slaughter 0f tr0lls and c0untless 0ther species? that is my pr0blem t0 fix

carnivalsOrphans 'option' ya say, after you kidnapped him it ain't an option if it ain't optional if it's 'do this or get hurt', that ain't a choice

cataclysmicSwing he isnt g0ing t0 be hurt

carnivalsOrphans if he can't walk out, then it ain't a choice

cataclysmicSwing he has the safest r0le 0f any0ne and in the event of failure is free t0 run better than i get

carnivalsOrphans boo fuckin hoo you signed up he didn't you're forcin him to do shit good job feelin pity for yourself gods it takes a lot ta disgust me and you are managin pretty damn well

cataclysmicSwing he did sign up actually why he refuses t0 ackn0wledge that is bey0nd me

carnivalsOrphans you sayin he ain't allowed to back out? or maybe your rail told ya that don't seem willing if ya gotta kidnap him don't seem willing if all he wants is ta be left alone

cataclysmicSwing if y0ure trying t0 get me t0 d0ubt my m0irail y0u are wasting a l0t 0f eff0rt

carnivalsOrphans yeah, you're already lost

cataclysmicSwing sure i am in any case s0llux capt0r will get 0ut 0f this alive and m0st likely in 0ne piece we need him f0r less than a perigee. then y0u can have him back f0r whatever it is y0u cannibals d0

carnivalsOrphans gods you miss the mark so much you can be a shit person if you want, but at least admit to yaself that it's what ya are anyway, you've made an enemy that you don't know and ya can't get to i got other shit to do fuckin good luck with ya shitty ass self and ya shitty ass excuse makin

cataclysmicSwing ive d0ne n0thing that needs excusing but 0h well w0rk t0 d0

carnivalsOrphans sure seem ta be makin a lotta excuses for all that

-- carnivalsOrphans [CO] ceased trolling cataclysmicSwing [CS] --

#logs #!npc #carnivalsorphans #Event: Hotel Fuchsiafornia #kidnapping //#mentions of:#pale rape //#torture //

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survivekohsai · 7 years ago

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Episode 7 - I Need To Blow Off Some Steam Anyway ~ Jackson

*cries like Big Meech* I wanted to stay in Exile!!

We reached merge and I hope this is jury as well!

I like to say that me and Jackson were the only people who attended every tribal Council. Because when we won that immunity Kelsey med Evacuated meaning that they didn't have a tribal council then next came a double tribal Council. So this means that I might be pulling a Denise Edit. Lets pray!

Exile is sad. No one picked me so thats sad. I was blindsided by the raf vote so thats sad. Im in f10 now so thats good and i still have an idol so thats good. But now im gonna have to work super hard to find connections. Need to put an end to rtp/jackson cuz i think thats a thing. Unless its like a jackson/quinlynn/akito thing which is also iconic i guess. RTP could have voted akito and then eric voted me? Idek and it sucks because its old news once i get back

i couldn't really do the challenge bcuz thxgiving. but when i was here and saw akito started it awhile ago and it goes by our time i thought that we'd be screwed.... turns out the other tribe barely worked on it so... shit. part of me wants to vote for richie and save my idol (as a risk, idk what tf everyone is doing). or just play my idol and see what tf happens. no idea what i should do. even if i talked to these people....... they'd just lie to me. cause akito, linus and quilynn are all aligned so idk what to do. maybe ill talk to richie.

okay well richie knows the other 3 are aligned. so we talked about both of us playing our idols, or only me, and voting for akito/quilynn. if it ties get quilynn out who still has her idol. and if she plays it akito goes home. idk if richie will play his idol or who they'll vote for but oh well!

Woh hey I'm actually making a move this round. Richie is idoling, Ryan might be, so if that happens Richie and I are voting akito to hopefully keep me protected, or I'm getting played and I'm going home

Hi I'm Jackson and this is my seventh confessional. I'm not going to tribal but I'm writing this cause I have to and I need to blow off some steam anyway. I'm REALLY worried about Akito at this tribal. Whether or not she survives depends on how well Quillynn can fool Richie (and how involved Ryan is in telling Richie the truth), and it sucks to not be able to have a direct impact on the vote. But before that I'll talk about last time. The Rafael blindside worked (yay!) and with the most fucked up vote tally ever - like 3-2-1-1-1? Honestly iconic. When will your faves. I know it should've been 4-2-1-1 if Trixie hadn't self voted but yknow. I'm still proud of it. Let's talk about that self vote though. Trixie can say all she wants that it was an accident, but it very well could've been strategy. If she self votes at important tribals, she can keep herself from appearing to take a concrete side, which I KNOW she would love, especially after she made herself such a huge target in Kvaloya. Either way I like her a lot but I see what an influential player she is (she got me to flip to Rafael SUPER easily) and can't let her get too much power. Also Jordan Means got voted out which is a blessing. We really had no chance of working together and also he was kind of an ass so I'm not mad. The only thing that really WRECKS me is that i learned from Linus that if Kelsey hadn't self voted and gotten medevaced at the fifth tribal, Regan and Ryan M. would've both played their idols and it would've been a messy smackdown for the ages. I'm so upset that didn't happen. Ever idol that Ryan M. doesn't play is another obstacle I have to overcome if I want to win (side eyes the Kvaloya hosts) Okay so then we had the schoolyard pick. I had to pick first, and I was going to pick Akito (because I love her) but I went for RTP instead because I knew if we lost, he would be an easy vote out (he played his idol at the Rafael tribal which made me super happy). He ended up picking Regan, she picked Trixie, and Trixie picked Eric. This put me in a decent position - so decent, in fact, that me and Trixie were ready to throw. What's a pre-merge tribal if it didn't involve a challenge thrown by me and Trixie? We would lose, protecting Quillynn/Akito/Linus on the other side, and dump RTP (probably unanimously), cementing Eric and Regan's trust in us. However, the other team proved to be so incredibly terrible that despite our best efforts to throw we were unsuccessful. I'm honestly so shocked. We only got 29 bottles which is pretty fucking bad but they got like... three? Okay werk. I think Ryan M. may've been trying to throw, which doesn't bode well for the tribal tonight (why is he so confident?), but like... Ok werk So yeah. Linus, Akito, and Quillynn (my allies) are going to tribal with Richie and Ryan M. I haven't spoken to Richie (like RTP, he doesn't respond to my messages), but if Quillynn can fool him into voting Ryan, this bodes well for them. They can split 2-2 on Ryan and Richie (with one of the votes for Ryan being from Richie himself), so that if one of the two plays an idol, Akito will still be safe (since I'm assuming Ryan will go for someone without an idol). And if Richie seems really bent on throwing a vote to Akito (an idea he has teased to Quillynn), then Quillynn will switch her vote from Ryan to Richie, which will hopefully send him packing and cause Ryan to waste his idol. The one hang up has to do with info. Akito made a huge mistake when she was on exile with Ryan M, as she told him about her majority alliance on Rayong that included me, Quillynn and Linus. If Ryan tells Richie about this, then Richie may not believe as easily that Quillynn isn't trying to make him the backup if Ryan idols. If Ryan and Richie both idol, Akito is probably toast. I would be so upset if that happened. She hasn't played a perfect game (wasting her idol, giving up info, etc) but I've really gotten close with her and I want us to be able to go deep into the game together. Okay, that's probably enough. I'm clearly very nervous which is why I'm venting in the confessional so sorry if my next few entries are not nearly as detailed haha byeeeeeee

dont strike me! jackson is the best i hope he wins

If everything goes as planned tonight then either ryan or richie will leave, I think one or both might idol though, which is dangerous. I’d rather ryan leave since he blocked everyone and completely ghosted but lbr he probably won’t be, I could even be taken out tonight, who knows

i finally feel like im in a game... my goal for this round is to get akito out and to keep my idol. i want akito out because she fucked up this immunity challenge so im annoyed but i mean we're likely only on this team bullshit for this one round so im not too worried about keeping a tribe strong to win challenges but i know that she proved herself in the nerf dart challenge that shes willing to play hard + only her and linus dont have their idols on this team and i want linus around so going for akito will ensure that the vote is on someone who cant fuck it up with an idol.... i've talked to everyone and idk whos telling the truth ryan is a mess but i want him around so that come merge him and regan battle it out and the attention is on those 2 and that will give me some time to slide by. linus told me that akito and q talked about voting for me in case of a ryan idol play, q came to me and said that we should split the votes and we talked about me voting for akito but i know now that was bullshit, ryan and i talked about him playing dead so that they vote for him tonight with the thought that he'd self vote...... i really dont want to play my idol because i want to keep it going into the merge but i know not playing it is a huuuuuuge risk... i've been planting seeds with people that i'll likely play it so that theyre afraid to vote me but i wont confirm or deny 100% that i'm playing it bc if i say that and dont play it and dont get voted out i dont want to appear sketchy like i was lying????? but idk its probably stupid of me to not just outright say HEY BINCHES i'm playing this idol dont vote for me or it will be a waste and then hoping they dont call me on the bluff???? idk who knows... i'm just going to send my vote in for akito, probably not play my idol, and hope that linus votes with me and ryan doesnt vote for me?????? idk im down to make the risk and if it doesnt pay off then i havent been playing a stellar game anyway so might as well go out on a bang

I feel great being immune this once. I feel like based on this team I was in that if we lost immunity that it would really hurt my alliance.

Ryan played his idol

Akito voted out 2-1-1-(1)

Richie, Linus voted Akito

Akito voted RIchie

Ryan voted Quillynn

Quillynn’s vote for Ryan was negated

#worthplayingfor #confessionals

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Here are Ari’s Diary Room Sessions!

[11/18/16, 10:00:47 PM] nicholas [host]: (sun) WHAT ARE YOUR INITIAL IMPRESSIONS OF THE OTHER HOUSEGUESTS? (Sun) [11/18/16, 10:02:51 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: Image [11/18/16, 10:02:53 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: ah there it is [11/18/16, 10:03:07 PM] nicholas [host]: sdlkmflskdfmsd [11/18/16, 10:03:08 PM] nicholas [host]: honestly [11/18/16, 10:04:00 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: tbh i still havent gone in the housechat kdjfksjdfkl bc i just got on desktop connors here and thats either gonna be GREAT or a mess jskfjsdlkf jacob randy and kaitlyn too interesting [11/18/16, 10:05:44 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: im so lazy i dont wanna inTERACt [11/19/16, 9:25:57 PM] nicholas [host]: (sun) HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT JUSTIN AND MIKE WINNING HOH? (sun) [11/19/16, 9:27:01 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: idk about justin he seems cool and he was in the call last night too so im not a complete stranger to him [11/19/16, 9:27:56 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: fuCK MIKE THo [11/20/16, 7:08:37 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: im legit scared how ugly [11/20/16, 7:12:37 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: i feel ACTUALLY SICK [11/20/16, 7:12:57 PM] nicholas [host]: good luck <3 [11/21/16, 8:32:17 PM] nicholas [host]: (sun) HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT JACOB WINNING DPOV? (sun) [11/21/16, 8:34:54 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: im sssoo proud nabdnsnd [11/21/16, 10:49:27 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: day 3 already making waves [11/24/16, 8:12:45 PM] nicholas [host]: (sun) HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT SLADE AND RANDY WINNING HOH? (sun) [11/24/16, 8:17:08 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: honestly idk who slade even is and i have 0 trust in randy so idk how to feel lmaooo [11/25/16, 6:38:59 PM] Crackdt Ass Elijah [BBJohto Host]: HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT WINNING BOTB? [11/25/16, 6:39:48 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: i had to fucking REDEEM MYSELF after being an ASSHOLE and hitting MY OWN SHIP [11/25/16, 6:39:50 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: WHO THE FUCK [11/25/16, 6:40:02 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: I WAS LOOKING AT THE WRONG COORDINATES THE ENTIRE GODDAMN TIME [11/25/16, 6:41:55 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: im lying on the floor drowning in my own shame [11/25/16, 6:42:52 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: ok but [11/25/16, 6:42:55 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: the only thing [11/25/16, 6:42:56 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: i can say [11/25/16, 6:43:00 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: about hitting my own ship [11/25/16, 6:43:02 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: is that [11/25/16, 6:43:12 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: im the only person that can take me down [11/25/16, 6:46:34 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: so im just gonna convince myself it was a good bluff [11/25/16, 6:46:42 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: before i break my own face or something [11/25/16, 6:47:49 PM] Crackdt Ass Elijah [BBJohto Host]: i'm driving to arizona to come and drag you! [11/25/16, 6:48:12 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: hkfhjksdhfjksdf [11/25/16, 6:48:21 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: wow i wonder who trainer 5 is [11/25/16, 6:49:14 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: its not but [11/25/16, 6:49:43 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: i cant believe i won botb after sinking my own ship [11/25/16, 6:49:47 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: when will your fav [11/25/16, 6:49:55 PM] nicholas [host]: honestly i was shook [11/25/16, 6:50:07 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: you should have fuCKING TOLD Me [11/25/16, 6:50:14 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: hh [11/25/16, 6:50:44 PM] nicholas [host]: i don’t rig (sun) [11/25/16, 6:51:42 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: hh [11/25/16, 6:51:57 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: goddamn chaotic good is what you are [11/25/16, 6:52:18 PM] nicholas [host]: egg sack tlea [11/25/16, 6:53:08 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: ,,,, [11/25/16, 6:56:41 PM] nicholas [host]: exactly [11/26/16, 4:18:37 AM] veronica [ johto host ]: https://gyazo.com/09b3077d73806f190ec63d361e23fd99 [11/26/16, 4:19:56 AM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: Image [11/26/16, 8:03:32 PM] nicholas [host]: (sun) HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT CARSON WINNING DPOV? (sun) [11/26/16, 8:28:44 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: what the fuCK HES THROWING A WRENCH IN EVERYTHIMG [11/26/16, 8:30:23 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: mfw [11/26/16, 8:30:31 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: i was so offended [11/26/16, 8:30:36 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: like [11/26/16, 8:30:45 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: "how dare u" [11/26/16, 8:31:14 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: also [11/26/16, 8:36:06 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: hdhfjdhdjdjkd [11/26/16, 8:39:37 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: jacob and connor: strategy me: im sO MaD I WanT To draG Him [11/26/16, 8:39:57 PM] nicholas [host]: fuck [11/26/16, 8:59:45 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: im so glad i can bitch here in the dr and yall get to experience how genuinely salty i get during games [11/26/16, 9:00:21 PM] nicholas [host]: im excited [11/26/16, 9:00:35 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: on another note [11/26/16, 9:01:02 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: WHY YALL GOTTA CAST ME AND CONNOR MY GAME WAS FUCKED FROM THE GETGO OMG [11/26/16, 9:01:14 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: ESPECIALLY WITH MIKE IN THE GAME? [11/26/16, 9:01:44 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: HES RATTED ME OUT TWICE IN TWO DIFFERENT GAMES LIKE WHAT THE FUCK!!!! [11/26/16, 9:02:22 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: why are people after me like this [11/26/16, 9:02:32 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: ａｌｒｅａｄｙ [11/26/16, 9:03:05 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: 🍃 me 🐝 [11/26/16, 9:03:09 PM] nicholas [host]: fuck [11/26/16, 9:03:18 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: LEAF ME BEE [11/26/16, 9:03:54 PM] nicholas [host]: FUCK [11/26/16, 9:04:57 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: im always so ready to ruin my own game tbh like people have to stop me from going after people akdbdjsbdkdke [11/26/16, 9:05:17 PM] nicholas [host]: who did u want to fight in dw1 [11/26/16, 9:09:04 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: hm.... tbh i dont even remember [11/26/16, 9:09:15 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: a lot of people probably [11/26/16, 9:09:32 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: punpun like 62% of the time [11/29/16, 7:21:45 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: why are yall making me watch fred [11/29/16, 7:21:51 PM] nicholas [host]: B) [11/29/16, 7:22:00 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: leave this shit where it belongs [11/29/16, 7:22:06 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: back in middle school [11/29/16, 7:22:10 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: along with my trash self [11/30/16, 8:52:25 PM] nicholas [host]: (sun) HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT NOMINATIONS & BOTB RESULTS? (Sun) [11/30/16, 9:46:12 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: i wasnt expecting rhea to come for randy and tbh i didnt expect connor either its cool they got it bc i s2g i would totally expect randy to take himself off and put me on (if he hadnt been exposed last week) so i mean like, i should be good this week but im still a lil paranoid but thats a given i aint special and snrandy, or snake randy, already had his target on the block so it would be useless to campaign for anyone again honestly his plan got demolished i fuckin LOVE IT [12/1/16, 8:15:02 PM] nicholas [host]: (sun) HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT RHEA WINNING DPOV? (Sun) [12/1/16, 8:15:38 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: i congratulated her and hope she doesnt take off randy ajdbsjsbksdnkd [12/2/16, 8:41:16 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: like [12/2/16, 8:41:36 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: its not REALLY hurting me but why am i nominated aGAIN [12/2/16, 8:41:40 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: A THIRD TIME [12/2/16, 8:44:47 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: me: haha im actually having a lot of fun this game (: me: all of my games have been hard on me at one point but this one feels fun me: i hope i get to last at least until jury so i can keep up with this game house: (nominates me three times) me: whAt ThE F [12/2/16, 8:48:06 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: i? dont? understand? why? [12/2/16, 8:48:40 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: ive never been voted out in the entire time ive played im not about this [12/2/16, 8:49:10 PM] nicholas [host]: :O [12/2/16, 8:49:15 PM] nicholas [host]: we believe in you!! [12/2/16, 8:49:21 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: i dont [12/2/16, 8:53:41 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: whats even better is for the hundredth fucking time apparently mike wants me to beg him to keep me [12/2/16, 8:54:00 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: i dont beg [12/2/16, 8:54:13 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: i dont campaign because i dont beg [12/2/16, 8:55:06 PM] nicholas [host]: me [12/2/16, 8:57:19 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: this is so upsetting [12/2/16, 8:57:49 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: if people are after connor can they please leave me out of it please [12/2/16, 8:58:07 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: can they not consider me as a duo with him [12/2/16, 8:59:08 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: no offense to him at all but i want to play my own goddamn game and not automatically be lumped up as a duo by people [12/2/16, 9:00:42 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: like i dont care if hes in a cast with me just stop assuming im gonna work with him because i honestly want to be capable of doing this on my own [12/2/16, 9:00:57 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: i dont want to feel like im being carried [12/2/16, 9:01:20 PM] nicholas [host]: we believe in you x 2 [12/2/16, 9:01:55 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: i really dont [12/2/16, 9:02:06 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: now im getting sad about it fuck [12/2/16, 9:03:17 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: i just wanted to play and have fun not to be targeted and used as a pawn over and over because of things i have no control over [12/2/16, 9:05:07 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: ive never actually had a chance to play with my own plan on my own [12/2/16, 9:05:41 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: i just [12/2/16, 9:05:43 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: for once [12/2/16, 9:05:46 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: want to [12/2/16, 9:05:48 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: actually [12/2/16, 9:05:50 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: get [12/2/16, 9:05:55 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: a chance [12/2/16, 9:05:57 PM] ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ: to play

#diary room #bbjohto

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