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Today in... teecup gets distracted and stopped writing for today.
Sooooo... page 21 of Altaïr's Codex had this as part of the 'poison blade' upgrade

And me being me...
I sorta felt this sense of familiarity with the leftmost flower.

It might be wolfsbane.
And I know what you're going to say.
"teecup, it can be foxglove too."
Which is a valid alternative.

But I honestly like to think it's wolfsbane due to the leaves but also because I am bias lol
The middle right flower might be Poinsettia though...

#not sure what's the bottom left and rightmost though#the stem could be the extraction of the sap from the rightmost though#teecup why are you would you immediately think of wolfsbane?#idk it just popped out of my head#assassin's creed#teecup analyze more than necessary
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I don't know how I can help you? XD
My usual go-to explanation as to why AC characters tend to look different (varies), especially the Desmond saga, is because they're made by different primary development teams that usually work on their specific games in tandem since AC used to have a yearly release and these games take more than one year to develop. (Unity alone started development in 2010 after Brotherhood and wouldn't be released until 2014... in, uh... let's just say unoptimized state).
So Ezio's looks vary in his own games.
Nexus though... weeeellll... my initial idea is this is still in development so they probably forgot Ezio's scar.
... Which I still think is a huge oversight but... well... it's a VR game for Meta Quest, I don't think Ubisoft is prioritizing it compared to Mirage (multiplatform) and Jade (large mobile audience absolutely trying to squeeze into the Chinese market). Also, I don't know which development team is working on Nexus but, considering it's the first VR game for AC, there's a high possibility that the development team isn't Montreal (currently working on AC Hexe & Prince of Persia Sands of Time remake) or Quebec (apparently working on a Rainbow Six mobile game? idk). Bordeaux is most probably still working on Mirage too. So, yeah, I think Nexus is being developed by other Ubisoft development teams.
I honestly don't wanna look at Nexus!Ezio too much XD
But, seriously, characters looking different isn't anything new in AC.
Sometimes, it's a matter of how much the graphics have evolved:
Sometimes, it's a matter of the development teams using different engines (AnvilNext 2.0 for Quebec's Odyssey & Ubisoft Anvil for Montreal's Valhalla)
Sometimes, it's a deliberate choice to show that Abstergo's Animus used Desmond's face and Revelation shows Altaïr's real face
BUT.
THIS.
WHAT.
THE.
FUCK.
UBISOFT.
Desmond looks like he has shape-shifting capabilities.
Don't even ask me where these Desmonds come from. I have them saved on my computer because I used them for this Multiverse of Desmond post so I no longer know myself.
Assassin’s creed nexus, and WHAT THE FUCK happend with Ezio’s face? IDK if im blind or something but it’s me or his face looks different???
AC II, Brotherhood, Revelations, and the corto
ac nexus
AC brotherhood
It’s me or they are completly different people??? he doesnt even have the scar?? And he looks like brotherhood but not ??
idk i need help @teecupangel
#i mean it's a vr game we probably won't see their faces#so it's possible that those are promotional renders made by another team altogether#just a guess#assassin's creed#ezio auditore#kassandra of sparta#ratonhnhaké:ton#connor kenway#altaïr ibn la'ahad#desmond miles#how do i tag this?#i guess#teecup analyze more than necessary
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Im curious about what is cannon and fannon in the AC fandom. Ive read many different origins for the scar Desmond has, but most people go with Bill being the one to give it to him. Is this because its cannon from a little known source(similiar to the fact that Altaïr can swim, as seen in the 3ds games, but most people make him unable to swim despite the fact) or is it widely accepted fannon? What about Masyaf castle? Ive read some fics about it being an Abstergo facility with the Templars having opened the Library, while others write it is just been left to time. And ofc cant forget Eagle Vision. Is it a unique ability to Altaïr only? Did his father have it too? Did every novice have to master it before becoming an assassin?
There could be others, but these are the facts that im mostly curious about. Thank you for answering. ^^
So I’m gonna break this into sections so I don’t have to think about scene transition or whatever rambling equivalent that has.
Altaïr Can Swim
We all accept that he can’t swim because that’s funny. However, if we take into consideration how Altaïr can swim as seen in his ‘sequel’, this is pretty much the complete opposite of “Altaïr has never been hit” status that he has in the fandom. They both causes desyncing so if we believe in “Altaïr has never been hit” then it’s not that Altaïr can’t swim, it’s that “Altaïr never slipped or fell into the waters” which actually points more to Altaïr being a badass. But we decided that Altaïr not being able to swim is a much funnier idea and went to town with it XD
Bill Being The Reason Desmond Has His Scar
Okay, so ngl, I also liked to write that Bill is the reason Desmond has a scar, either directly or indirectly (I mostly go for indirectly with another kid being the reason why he has a scar but Bill was there ‘supervising’), mostly because I like the plot point that getting the scar is the thing that finally snaps Desmond and got him to leave the Farm ‘randomly’.
Anyway, the canon/fanon blur a lot in this one as there are enough people that believe Bill made the scar as seen by this post.
My thoughts on that is pretty much summarized in the tags I left in that one:
#wait it's official? #or did we as a fandom just collectively saw how bill treated desmond and went #ah yes he's why desmond has that scar #seriously i hc it and it makes sense narratively for bill to be the reason why desmond has a scar #whether from training or by accident #but i don't remember it being even implied in any games #especially in ac rev where it could have easily been added in
To add to that, I’m talking about AC Revelations specifically because of Desmond’s rant in an early scene where he finally shouts at Bill for being a bad father. That was the perfect time to just drop that bombshell of Bill being the reason why Desmond has his scar but we didn’t get that. That’s the main reason why I don’t think it’s canon that Bill is the reason why Desmond got his scar but there’s 3 more scenes in AC Revelations where he could have talked about it, all of them from Desmond’s memories scenes.
I also talked about how I couldn’t find any evidence of Bill being the reason that Desmond got his scar in this post.
But the summary is I tried looking for any information about it in the books, pamphlet, manuals and references I had (I say ‘had’ because I had to leave them back in my old home after I moved due to space constraints TTATT), only focusing on any mentions of Desmond and Bill
Assassin's Creed Limited Edition Art Book (p40-41)
Assassin's Creed The Complete Visual History (p290 -292) - p291 has the line "... Desmond's father, William, adds an element of family drama..." calling it family drama sounds like an understatement considering how Bill and Desmond act around each other
Assassin's Creed The Essential Guide (p14, 66, 161, 218-219, 236, 238, 240) - this book is so weird. P218 says that Bill and Gavin shared the mentor role after the Great Purge, p237 says that only Bill took the mentor role (but didn't call himself the mentor) after the Great Purge
Assassin's Creed Atlas (p159, 165)
Assassin's Creed Encyclopedia (White Version) (p18, 158-183)
Assassin's Creed Encyclopedia (White Version - JP ver) (p18, 158-183)
Assassin's Creed Encyclopedia (Black Version - JP ver) (p17, 113-127) - The Black Version is an older version, only going as far as AC Revelations + The Fall comics, The White Version has up to 3 + Liberation
No mentions at all about Desmond's relationship with Bill in the following:
That short game manual that's inside the game disc for AC1-AC3 (JP ver)
Assassin's Creed Reference Guide (JP)
Assassin's Creed Perfect Guide (JP)
Assassin's Creed 2 Reference Guide (JP)
Assassin's Creed Archive Book (JP)
In conclusion:
The most I got can be summarized from Assassin's Creed Encyclopedia, p182
"... driven, intelligent but emotionally distant father of Desmond Miles..." " ... technically minded man, fully devoted to the Assassins and their cause, whose passion for politics outweighs his responsibility to his family. While William's wife has always been able to deal with this emotional distance, young Desmond could not. Eventually he grew to feel that his father was more of a drill sergeant than a parent and fled the compound, despite his parents' repeated warnings to never leave."
If Bill did directly or indirectly cause Desmond's scar, I could not find it in the official books I have or even on Desmond's or Bill's AC Wiki page.
Unless someone can point out where it officially states that Bill caused Desmond's scar, I believe the whole "Bill is the reason for Desmond's scar" is AC fandom's own Mandela Effect. Most probably something that started as a headcanon (and for a very good reason) and is commonly used by fanfic writers (including me) which has evolved as a Word of Dante that we, as a collective, have mistaken as a Word of God.
Masyaf’s Current Situation
There’s no official note of the current situation of Masyaf in the modern days and I think Ubisoft would probably not do anything about it narrative-wise… I’d honestly be surprised if they did anything about it if they make an AC1 Remake. Now, it’s a bit nebulous if the Templars did manage to get the library but it should be noted that the last time we see Altaïr’s Apple, Ezio let it stay in the library and the ACR novel gave us:
“The bookshop was used as an outpost for the Assassins, and Ezio stored the Masyaf Keys in the chamber where he had found the first key, underneath the bookshop.”
If the Templars got into the bookshop then they’ll find all the keys and would have everything they needed to get into the library.
However…
The Apple would find itself in the hands of Queen Elizabeth I and Mahatma Gandhi before falling into Templar hands.
As far as I can see, Queen Elizabeth I isn’t a Templar so it’s highly possible that the British Empire did their usual ‘finders keepers’ thing and this wasn’t a nefarious Templar plan. So either Ezio got the Apple out of Masyaf and hid it somewhere else that would later be found by someone (maybe John Dee?) or Ezio… just left it in Masyaf?
I wanna give Ezio the benefit of the doubts and believe that he knew leaving it in Masyaf would be such a bad idea so the Apple was most probably transferred somewhere else.
Which means that Masyaf was completely abandoned by the end of Ezio’s era which Ezio would have believed be something that Altaïr wanted to happen.
I realized now I’m rambling further and further away from the actual topic for this section.
In conclusion: we have no idea if Masyaf is abandoned or occupied by the Templars in modern day. I will also add if it’s occupied by Templars, it might be a secret ‘base’ or it’s affiliated with a non-Abstergo Entertainment section of Abstergo because, as far as I can see, Abstergo Entertainment’s headquarters are based on existing Ubisoft headquarters (ex: Black Flag’s Abstergo Entertainment is in Montreal = Ubisoft Montreal)
Personally, I think that Abstergo would take over Masyaf castle either officially or unofficially as a way to show the Brotherhood how they hold one of the most important locations in their history. That’s the kind of power play the current Inner Sanctum would do.
(It would be funny in a ‘that’s fucked up’ kind of way if Masyaf is an Abstergo secret facility that does experimental work with captured Assassins as guinea pigs which they have done in the Philadelphia facility (Fall comics) and Madrid (AC Movie))
Eagle Vision
It was actually never explicitly stated who had Eagle Vision and who hadn’t but it’s noted that humans, in general, have the capability to unlock Eagle Vision although there are humans who has an easier time unlocking it.
AC1 noted that the Levantine Assassins knew about Altaïr’s Eagle Vision but there’s no evidence to suggest that they have it as well. Most of the time, they just tell Altaïr to use his vision without saying if they have it as well or not.
(it’s just personal preference to write that 12th century Assassins, both in Masyaf and Alamut, would have some form of Eagle Vision to show how much the Brotherhood had ‘fallen’ in the modern day. Canon actually points that only a small number of people can access Eagle Vision)
#ask and answer#assassin's creed#desmond miles#altaïr ibn la'ahad#teecup analyze more than necessary#headcanon: assassin’s creed#william miles
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Abstergo made very edited games of the assassin ancestors. What if the assassin's made the true version of what happened available to the public?
That was always an option so I did think of why they wouldn’t want to do it.
The biggest one I could think of is that it would go against the third Tenet “Do not compromise the Brotherhood”.
Secrecy is paramount to the Brotherhood and even the Templars keep the Isu stuff a secret.
The Brotherhood is probably worried of what would happen if those in power learn about the POE considering what those in power have done according to history.
The narrative is putting them into an antagonistic light with the Templars being crowned as heroes but, as they say, they ‘work in the dark to serve the light’.
They’re used to being seen as ‘evil’ or murderers.
This is just the 21st century equivalent to it.
Also, they cannot be certain that showing the true version would be better.
Not only does it include information about the POEs and the Assassin Brotherhood as a whole but…
Well…
Abstergo is a large company with far-reaching influences.
What’s to say their version wouldn’t just be ridiculed and treated as ‘fanwork’ or the insane edits of disgruntled employees/Assassin stans.
The Assassins work in secrecy and it’s because of that secrecy that they can still protect the world, both from the Templars and the POEs.
The only way a true version would be ‘leaked’ is either through a ‘fuck it, let’s see what happens’ Assassin who did it without the approval of the mentor or an incident in the database (a bad update that uploads it to the public or a hacker who got lucky and got a copy of it).
Let’s be honest though…
In the AC world, there’s gonna be fans who stan the bad guys. They’ll probably think that Assassins are so cool and the Templars are kinda boring (Abstergo risks making the Templars ‘bland’ by removing the bad parts of their lives that will incriminate them and the Templars in general).
Like, remember how Berg sent the Assassins a heavily edited copy of Shay’s memories in the end of Rogue and how it was a footnote later on that the Assassins were like “cool story bro, obviously edited, go fuck yourself” and nothing really happened with it?
If that’s how the Templars edit the stories as Templar propaganda then it’s not… Abstergo has a history of making good premises but mediocre to bad execution XD
The Assassins have a better chance of having someone write for them a fanfic of the games in a kinda ‘novel adaptation’ format and put the real version in that one. It won’t get them as much exposure as trying to pass it as real history BUT it will make it easier to stay under Abstergo’s radar and, even if Abstergo sees it, the fanfic is protected by “this is fanfic, why are you bullying someone writing what they want for free in their own free time, Abstergo???”
#if you notice#whenever i have an idea of something going viral#it's always either in accident#or someone fucked up#or desmond didn't realize just how bad for the third tenet he just did#assassin's creed#ask and answer#this is more of...#teecup analyze more than necessary#than an actual fic idea
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kinda late on the weekly schedule but, what do you think about the latest chapter?
My thoughts on Chapters 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8 (one of these days, I should really just make a tag for them like '#teecup analyze and reacts to acft webtoon' or something XD)
Official English translation (the free chapters anyway) here
Hahaha, it’s fine. I was pretty busy with the moving and unpacking anyway so I only got to read to the latest chapter yesterday XD.
Jennifer gets another mention which is nice.
This part is an important one as it does show what the Assassin Brotherhood is fighting for.
Free will and the right for everyone to decide their own fate, not be bound by the plans of dead ‘gods’.
We’ll get back to Edward’s speech later because I have a few things to say about that but, for now, the way this is presented:
The close-up of the Shimazu Clan’s crest would imply that the Shimazu Clan (or ‘Shimazu’ Sei) has a beef with the Assassins personally that ended in destroying their vision of order or something but, while I’m not all that familiar with how rich and powerful the Shimazu clan is today, they seem to still hold some power even if they are no longer a ruling family from what I can read.
I am unsure if she’s talking about the Constitution of Japan which rendered titles meaningless (which would have weakened the Shimazu Clan in general) or the destruction of the order kept by the Shimazu Clan in connection to the ‘results’ of the Battle of Sekigahara because that’s one of the main information that we have on the Japanese Brotherhood. They put their lot with Ieyasu Tokugawa while the Shimazu Clan (and, I suppose in AC lore, the Templars) placed their lot with Ishida Mitsunari. Tokugawa’s forces ended up victorious but Tokugawa didn’t really punish the Shimazu Clan and let them keep their lands and titles so… I won’t be surprised if these Japanese ‘pirates’ supposedly under the Shimazu Clan had gone rogue from the clan itself, disgruntled members of the clan who didn’t want to bow down to Tokugawa although that’s a bit sorta ‘???’ because the Battle of Sekigahara happened in 1600 and Edward’s parts are set in 1725. I mean, grudges can go on for a very long time so not that “???!!!” but still a “???”
(I will have to point out that my JP history is spotty at best and my familiarity with the Shimazu Clan is even spottier and wiki doesn’t even have a separate page for Shigehide Shimazu who should have been the lord of Satsuma and head of the Shimazu Clan during 1725 so, yeah, maybe something big did happen to the Shimazu Clan that would explain why ‘Shimazu’s Sei’s line of ‘destroying order’ is set in a panel showing the Shimazu Clan's crest)
Webtoon is a stealth promotion and prologue to AC Red Theory: The Assassin that we will play in AC Red is a rogue Shimazu shinobi (we already know that AC’s Shimazu Clan employs shinobis thanks to this webtoon) and they’re the Japanese ancestor of Noa Kim. ‘Shimazu’ Sei’s line of ‘destroying order’ is a reference to how this Shimazu assassin had destroyed the Shimazu Clan’s order in some way.
Anyway!
I guess this is confirmation that Edward has already married Tessa by this time.
Sidebar: not important to the plot (maybe) but Edward, if you’re hunting crocs, that means we can finally see you use a rope dart, riiigghhhttt???
With that out of the way...
Alright, let’s talk about Edward’s speech more.
First of all, this line:
Not an analysis but more of a comment. I would have gone with “gold and glory” instead of “glory and treasures” even if “glory and treasure” could have been a more accurate translation of the Korean version because “gold and glory” is a phrase most commonly associated with pirates which could have been used as a reference to Edward’s past as a pirate.
Now for the sadder analysis, there is something tragic about this line:
Edward is talking about this in reference to why he had become and stayed as an Assassin, even going as far as touching his hidden blade.
If you look closely, you’ll notice that he is touching the Assassin’s insignia with two of his fingers while his pinky is touching the pirate symbol. This is most probably to show that he remembers and learned from his past as a pirate and how being an Assassin is both his present and his future. More importantly:
“If you decide for yourself what’s right and do everything in your power to uphold that idea… Even mortals like us can overcome fate and leave behind something meaningful.”
That entire speech is meant to represent Edward’s loyalty to the Creed and believing he is doing the right thing and wishing to leave something meaningful behind.
The tragedy comes when you remember that there is one Kenway who did ‘decide for himself what’s right’ and ‘did everything in his power to uphold that idea’
Edward Kenway's own son and a Grand Master of the Templar Order: Haytham Kenway
Even if he was indoctrinated by the man who ordered the death of his father, he still stayed with the Order after learning the truth and even went as far as trying to kill his own son to keep the hold of the Order in the colonies although, yeah, an argument could be made that Haytham was planning to die by his own son’s hands during that final battle but that does not change the fact that Haytham remained loyal to the Order even after knowing the Order is the reason why his father died.
Not only that but Edward’s death and Haytham’s indoctrination were fated. The Isus needed Ratonhnhaké:ton to take the key from Haytham and hide it for Desmond to find when the time comes so Edward's life and death had been fated to happen so that Haytham may become a Templar and travel to the colonies.
In the end, Edward Kenway didn’t overcome fate, he became just another cog in the machine called the ‘Calculations’.
But…
His vision of what it means to defy fate? His thoughts of upholding the Creed which became what he believed to be ‘right’?
It was inherited by his grandson: Ratonhnhaké:ton.
Even if they never met… Ratonhnhaké:ton embodied what Edward wanted to leave behind. And Ratonhnhaké:ton’s life wasn’t dictated by the fates the moment he had buried the key for Desmond to find.
He wasn’t like Altaïr whose dying breath had been to give a final message to the prophet for Desmond to hear.
He wasn’t like Ezio who only finally stepped out of his role as Desmond's prophet after leaving the Brotherhood and having a family of his own when he was already in his 50s.
Ratonhnhaké:ton built his own future after he buried the key. The past of the American Brotherhood was built upon the choices Ratonhnhaké:ton made of his own free will.
To leave something meaningful behind.
#youtube started playing moment in time from torna#while i was writing my analysis of edward’s speech#so yeah#that part got sadder#i really think#that edward’s successor in terms of how he sees the creed is#ratonhnhaké:ton#of course#the calculations still came to play to make sure william miles was born#but in some sense#the lack of information of ratonhnhaké:ton’s life#meant it wasn’t important to the calculations#but that also meant#he was freer than altaïr or ezio had been when they were his age#ask and answer#assassin's creed#teecup analyze more than necessary#noa kim#edward kenway#haytham kenway#connor kenway#teecup analyze and reacts to acft webtoon
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I learned of Shao Jun while checking Ezio's AC wiki page before actually playing AC Chronicles China and before watching Embers so I always assumed as well that Shao Jun is "(family name) (given name)", especially since I'm used to thinking that if Shao Jun was her full given name, it would have been written as "Shaojun" instead.
Then I watched Embers and Ezio kept calling her 'Yun' and that confused me so I tried checking the JP version of ACC China to check for the kanjis of her name but I saw this instead:
Then I checked the Shao Jun manga JP version and...
This means, as far as the official JP AC media is concerned, the pronunciation of her name is シャオ・ユン (Shao Yun). シャオ・ユン is also her pixiv tag.
Of course that doesn't necessarily mean that it's canon that her actual name is Shao Yun but this does mean that Ubisoft signed off on all of these and, as far as JP is concerned, her name has always been Shao Yun. Had it been Shao Jun, it would have been written and pronounced as シャオ・ジュン.
The JP wiki does give 3 different kanjis for her name though:
Regardless, it seems that, as far as JP is concerned, Shao is supposed to be 少. The second part of that paragraph even says "there are multiple kanjis for her name's meaning. (refer to the name section)" (spoiler: there is no name section in her wiki... also, very rough translation, sorry)
So I think that Ezio and Sofia calling her 'Yun' may be more accurate?
(I personally still use Shao Jun unless Ubisoft retcons it or fesses up that they screwed up with the Jun/Yun thing... although I will use シャオ・ユン if I have to 'talk' about her in JP XD)
(does... ACC China not have a Chinese translation? I assumed it had? Wouldn't that sorta-kinda have Shao Jun's official Chinese characters?)
Irt Shao Jun's Name
Why is it even spelled "Jun"? Even in her first appearance in Assassin's Creed: Embers, Ezio and Sofia pronounce it "Shao Yun."
It's...a mixed bag in Chinese fandom, as far as I've seen. There are no official characters for her name, and without them, we don't know what her name means or even how to correctly pronounce it because there are no tones. Fans usually pick a number of characters to spell out either Shao Jun or Shao Yun, which means her name is usually pronounced differently, with different meanings.
Tbfh, I always favored 绍君 for her name, AKA Shao Jun with "Shao" being a surname to mean "carry on" and "Jun" being a word to describe a gentleman/someone of noble birth and bearing. It bears a lot of power.
In the official AC novels by Yan Leisheng, he uses the 少芸,or Little Yun, which has me taken aback because I've always read Shao Yun as her full name, meaning "Shao" would be a family name, not a prefix. I guess both would work, given that she's a palace concubine. The "yun" he uses means "rue," the flower, which is fitting for a concubine, but doesn't bear the same weight and power as the "jun" I chose for her.
Either way, Ubisoft can't commit to her name. They spell it one way, then pronounce it another. Even the novelization is apparently officially non-canon, meaning once again, the VIBE of this girl is completely up to fanon.
#i guess i can count this as#teecup analyze more than necessary#not gonna lie i was kinda excited to find out her japanese name#because jp versions of chinese names can be quite a mouthful#so it was a bummer to learn that there's no official one#if anyone is interested#the three kanjis in her wiki page would usually be read as#少雲 - shouun 少君 - shoukun 少芸 - shougei or shouun as well
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Heeey long time no see, thoghts on whats going on in the comic?
Heeeeeey, and even longer time no answer, sorry TTATT
Anyway… first of all.
Here’s the tag for all my reactions and analysis to this webtoon.
This does mean I will be talking about Chapters 12 to 18 in this one and, ooohhh boy, let’s get this started XD
Okay, so this might get a bit disjointed in some places so uuuhh… bear with me?
First of all: I remembered reading that Birch was supposed to a business partner or something of Edward but I can’t find where I read that. It was never truly stated what Edward’s ‘front’ was (and I highly doubt he let it be ‘the trophy husband of a rich woman’) so Edward forming an alliance with Madam Lee might turn to him and Madam Lee having a business ‘alliance’ later, maybe Edward being the person in charge of Madam Lee’s business endeavors in London (maybe even Europe?). This would be a good place to set that up but, if it’s not, well… I also won’t be surprised considering the last few chapters XD
Sudden Ezio appearance!
Not surprising though since Ezio is the ancestor of the Kenways so, yeah, Noa having him in his genes is spot on.
However…
Excuse Me???
Bitch, if you trying to take over our baby boi Desmond Miles’ place, there will be… well… not riots but there will be some strong words being thrown around in this tumblr, that’s for damn sure!
BTW, love this game mechanics shoutout XD
(And yes, I do love these more than that Hitman coin toss thing in Chapter 11)
Also…
I know this is meant to be a visual ‘aid’ of some sort of the Italian Brotherhood around AC Brotherhood (Ezio and his recruits), but that’s Evie right there.
That’s Evie. XD
And finally...
Oh my heart… TTATT
Overall: Edward's parts are interesting and it does feel a lot like an AC game with lots of side objectives before tackling the main objective.
The flashbacks help show how Edward became the person who he is in this webtoon and his conflict with Madam Lee even with their alliance is also pretty interesting.
Refusing to call it opium and just calling it 'devil's powder' is funny though, ngl. I don't know if it's against webtoon's terms and services or not but calling it 'Devil's Powder' is the kind of dramatics that Edward would sometimes have. XD
On the other side though, honestly? I don't know if I would ever like Noa, especially with the way the webtoon is comparing him to Desmond Miles.
(I'm going to sound like a broken record)
Again, if the plot twist is he's Desmond's half-brother or son (super highly improbable), I'm out.
If the plot twist is he just so happened to have the same bloodline as Desmond (with Altaïr's bloodline included) but not closely related, I'm out. (For one, Altaïr's bloodline came from his mother's side and is not part of the Auditore-Kenway side. For another... siiigghhh... here's the post where we talk about how weird the percentages of Noa's 'bloodline' is)
The problem with his connection with Desmond is that it comes with doing disservice to an already existing underutilized character: Elijah.
Remember, all the memories Noa is reliving are Edward's memories before he had Haytham. So this means that Sample 17 could have been used to find these memories. They don't need Noa to do this.
And even if they need a 'living descendant' or what not.
ELIJAH IS STILL ALIVE in canon and would have the same memories.
"Oh, but Elijah is in hiding". Uh-huh. And it's not like Abstergo finding him or him creating his own modified Animus to find these memories would be anything out of the realm of possibility.
Which is why I am still advocating that 'Shimazu' Sei and her fellow kidnappers are doing this without Abstergo's approval and/or knowledge.
I detailed why I came to this conclusion here.
#the worst case scenario#i end up writing something for this#where it ends up like the end of grayspace(17) but with noa instead of layla#and i don't want to do that#i just don't get why noa has to be compared to desmond#unless they're going for a big plot twist of his relation with desmond#and at that point#(waves hands at elijah)#stop neglecting elijah!!!#assassin's creed#teecup analyze more than necessary#noa kim#edward kenway#teecup analyze and reacts to acft webtoon
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So, something I've noticed. The bureau's are suppose to be hidden safehouses but also function as shops, but isn't a building with only 1 entrance, and that entrance being on the roof, really suspicious? How is it suppose to be a shop if no one can get in or even knows it's there? And how does Malik leave the bureau with one arm?
I did wonder about that and AC wiki helped me form this headcanon:
So, for me, the bureau is composed of three parts (and an optional fourth part which I’ll get to later): the front shop, the main chamber and the Rafiq’s office.
The room we see whenever Altaïr jumps down from the rooftop is called the main room (according to AC wiki) and this is where any ‘visiting’ Assassin can relax or rest until the start of their mission.
The second room we see where the Rafiq (or Dai in Malik’s case) can always be seen is the Rafiq’s office where an Assassin and the Rafiq can discuss the current mission and also have all the records of past and current missions and information/intel.
I actually assumed that the front shop and the Rafiq’s office are the same room until I thought about it and went “That’s too risky, right??? Like, anyone could just enter while there’s an Assassin-related discussion happening???” and such a risk seemed too stupid for the Brotherhood to do so I assumed there is a third part we don’t know about:
The front shop and any rooms it might need (like a storage room/area) with a novice(s) working as a ‘clerk’.
But then the question becomes how can the Rafiq access the front shop?
The common answer would be there is a door south of the room that we cannot see because of normal camera angles.
The more fun and more secretive answer would be:
It’s a hidden door.
Because every Rafiq's office has a similar setup with enough space behind the counter for a door.
Now, I talked about a possible fourth part and this is more my preference than anything else but I think a front shop that directly leads to the Rafiq office is too risky as well so I headcanon that there are ‘normal’ rooms between the two. A small bathroom because Assassins using public baths sound too risky thanks to the possibility of anyone seeing their missing ring finger and the idea they would leave their gear (especially their hidden blade) in a pretty unsecure place sounds stupid, a kitchen with a nearby dining hall, maybe quarters for the novices and informants or guest quarters, maybe even the Rafiq's private quarters or private office (or both?) and (like I mentioned earlier) any rooms that the front shop might need. Then to get to the Rafiq’s office there will be a hidden door that looks like a wall. This fourth part is optional for me because, well, we'd have to take in consideration just how big the bureau looks on the outside for this part to even be possible. If it's not, I guess... it's bigger on the inside XD
Anyway, that’s how I think the bureaus during the Third Crusades operated because the alternative “the Rafiq’s office is also the front shop” sounds too risky for me XD
#ask and answer#assassin's creed#i'm debating if i should tag altaïr or malik for this one#naaaahhh#headcanon: assassin's creed#considering i also had to look at bureau layouts#i guess you can say#teecup analyze more than necessary#btw i wrote this without doublechecking if you can change the angle in the rafiq's office#to check if it has an actual door south of the usual camera angle#because i'm too lazy to boot up my ps3 at the moment#ngl#i did think about the bureau’s layout while writing#ac fic: beloved moon#so i guess#fic trivia
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So, concerning the origin of Lucy’s betrayal, she talks about it in AC1 and, considering Project Siren may or may not have already started during this point, this could all be a lie she told Desmond so he’d sympathize with her (although AC wiki does consider this to be canon based on her wiki page):
Lucy: Warren saved my life. So, if he wants to yell a little, let him.
………
Lucy: Sometimes I wonder if they weren't behind it all. If they manipulated events so I'd get desperate. They can do that. They can do anything. I didn't think when I agreed to come here... they even told me I'd be trapped. For 6 months, a year max. Once the product launched, there'd be no need for secrecy anymore. But, until then, I'd be a "guest of the company". At least... that's what they said.
Desmond: And when the Animus was ready?
Lucy: They came in while I was sleeping. Three guys... guns...
Lucy: They dragged me out of bed... God... the worst part is, I knew them. One guy, Richard, we ate lunch together sometimes. And now he was gonna... They were cracking jokes... I tried to pull away... he hit me... and that's when he told me I was going to die.
Desmond: Christ! What did you do?
Lucy: Nothing. I kept telling myself it wasn't real. And then Warren was there, shouting at them to get away from me. And they listened.
Depending on how much you believe her lines (if she was telling the truth, the semi-truth, or just flat-out lying to gain Desmond’s sympathy), these lines could add a different spin to her character and to her relationship with Vidic, especially if you include this line:
Lucy: When they first approached me, I was finishing up my Ph.D. The university made it clear I had no future there. They didn't like the subject of my doctorate... called it pseudo-science. Said keeping me on would discredit and embarrass them. It was the same everywhere. Other universities... companies I interviewed with... pretty soon I was out of money and out of time.
First of all, it’s canon that she was cut off from any communications from the Assassins once she received her orders to infiltrate Abstergo according to the Lost Archive DLC of Revelations:
William: Italy, to Abstergo's new research facility. I want to know what they're after with the Animus device. Your third teammate has been kept outside the Assassin Order, waiting to be called upon.
Clay: Lucy Stillman.
William: She's been trained to infiltrate Abstergo. Since the age of 17, the girl has lived outside our ranks. All her ties to the Assassins have been erased.
And, if it’s true that she had problems getting a job and being validated by her work (which could have been perhaps intentional to catch Abstergo’s attention but highly unlikely?), this meant that Abstergo came to her when she was at her lowest, alone and far away from the people she had known and trusted all her life.
She was vulnerable and Abstergo gave her a new life, made her feel wanted and liked.
Gave her relationships.
Then took it all away from her.
They didn’t have to do it but they deliberately chose Richard to be one of her executioners, someone that Lucy knew by name and they even made fun of her fate, acted like her death meant nothing to them.
Like she meant nothing to them.
That’s when Vidic swooped in.
Saved her.
Protected her.
Gave a new life once more.
Lucy owed Vidic her life, she said so herself.
And that…
That is how many cult leaders get the loyalty of their followers.
First, they take a vulnerable person (Lucy who was isolated from everything she knows). Give them a place to feel loved and seen (Abstergo and Richard and her other friends). Then take it all away and drag them back to the loneliness and isolation they were in (the ‘failed execution’) - this is normally done by bringing them to the forefront and making them remember all their (perceived) failings but, in Lucy’s case, by destroying any relationship she had fostered in Abstergo, including what might have been her social safety net then the cult leader would make them feel loved and wanted, maybe go “I believe in you” or “I forgive you” depending on the context (Vidic saving Lucy).
So yeah… if we truly do believe all the lines Lucy told Desmond in AC1, then the line “If they manipulated events so I'd get desperate…” becomes different. The whole “I’m a prisoner” was a lie to make Desmond sympathize with her but it’s also the truth, whether she knows it or not. She is a prisoner and her Templar allegiance had been tainted from the get-go, by both the Assassins (Bill) and the Templars (Vidic).
The idea that she believes the Templars would ‘take care’ of humanity is tainted by the fact that her idea of ‘care’ is what she experienced from Vidic.
Indoctrination.
… which is what the Templars want to do to the world but Lucy only sees the good thing about that indoctrination. After all, that’s how she was ‘saved’.
And I like the headcanon that she didn’t know Clay would die because of her actions (or her inaction) because she trusted Vidic too much. She believes he’s a ‘good’ man.
But also, Vidic is her cult leader. His words are law. She cannot go against him because she believes she is nothing without his approval. So even if she knew it was dangerous, she would believe Vidic if Vidic tells her that Clay would be fine. Even if she didn’t believe it, she’d still go along with it because Vidic’s words are law.
This line from Vidic:
We're counting on you, Lucy. You have served the Templar Order well, and we never forget loyalty. Oh, yes. Once inside their hideout, perhaps you might ask the Assassins why they left you alone for so many years.
The first two lines are Vidic reminding Lucy who was there for her when she had nothing. Who had seen her loyalty. Her ‘worth’.
But the third line?
That was said to remind Lucy that the Assassins abandoned her. It’s not him suggesting that she asks them. No. That’s Vidic reminding her that the reason why she had been so alone for so many years was deliberate on the Assassins’ part.
Also, the only times we see Lucy actually going against Vidic is when she’s playing the part of the good cop to Vidic’s bad cop so even that is tainted with Project Siren already working in the background. We can’t be sure how much her actions in AC1 are acting and how much is true concern for Desmond brought by her guilt over what happened with Clay. Even when they left, all of her emails to Vidic talked about concerns for Desmond’s health but she never does anything about them. She always listens to Vidic.
Because, in the end, Vidic brainwashed her and indoctrinated her to believe that his way is the right path.
All lines from the game came from 21st Century Conversations and Memories of Clay
Feeling a little bit under the weather, so I'm gonna cheer myself up by trying to write a lil character analysis for Lucy.
(Warning: I am writing this mostly off the top of my head, not to mention while sick so my brain isn't exactly working as it should, so if you find anything you would like to correct/expand on feel free to comment/reblog)
Out of the modern day gang, Lucy seems, at least initially, like the least interesting: Rebecca is a bit of an adrenaline junkie who discovered her aptitude for technology while bedridden after sustaining an injury caused by her passion for extreme sports, Shaun is a conspiracy theorist who was forced to join the assassins after his snooping got him into trouble, Desmond is a man who ran away from a cult and had to build a new life for himself, only to then find himself dragged back into it once again.
Each of them has an interesting and unique reason for being where they are when we first meet them, and each is the result of an active choice that lines up with their equally unique personality.
And Lucy? Lucy is a spy. She became one because that's what the assassins needed at the time, and then she became Vidic's assistant because he manipulated her into it.
And how did she become an assassin? She didn't, she was born into it.
Out of all the "origin stories" for the modern day gang, Lucy's stands out as it has the least amount of active choices on her part.
The most active we see her as is in AC1, where she regularly fights with Vidic over a variety of matters, but mostly Desmond.
By the time of AC2 Lucy's role as animus expert has been taken over by Rebecca, who also acts as the nice, friendly presence in the group, pushing Lucy into the role of leader instead, and now that she is no longer playing good cop to Vidic's bad cop we start seeing that she can be quite bossy at times, but also that she's under enormous amounts of stress, as we can infer from multiple occasions.
As Brotherhood comes out we learn even more information, most importantly a)that she feels guilty for Clay's death, as well as her current treatment of Desmond and b)that the years spent as a captive at Abstergo have led her to feel disconnected from the rest of the world.
And then she dies, and it is revealed that she'd been a traitor all along.
So far I have been ignoring this piece of information as it was clearly a last-minute decision to justify Kristen Bell's departure, and I think that, for the purpose of this analysis, it would be interesting to take a minute to compare pre-reveal Lucy to post-reveal Lucy.
Pre-reveal Lucy is a likable character, but not a particularly deep one. She mostly functions as a love interest for Desmond and a straight man for the rest of the gang, by which she's largely overshadowed.
Post-reveal Lucy, on the other hand? She's a much grayer character. While I would still describe her as a largely reactive character, the choices she does make tell us much more than just "she's a good person" and "she's loyal to the assassins".
First of all, her betrayal: while we are not given any real explanation as to how it happened (was she found out? Had the templars always known? Or was she the one who willingly revealed herself to be an assassin?) we do know from an interview with the lead writer of Revelations and Lost Archive (source: "The Assassin's Den - The Lost Archive ft. Jeffrey Yohalem", on youtube) that the main drive behind her loyalty is the conviction that the templars will "take care" of humanity, herself included. Paired with her previously mentioned feelings of disconnection from the world, that would lead me to speculate that while she does take on the role of caretaker more often than not she herself desires to be taken care of, more so than she desires her freedom, and she projects those feelings onto the rest of humanity.
Second, Clay's death: this is the one that made many fans dislike Lucy's character, as she leaves him to die when she had the perfect opportunity to save him by running back to the assassins with him.
While there are plenty of ways to interpret this, I personally believe that it was simply a bad call on her part, possibly caused by her overestimating Vidic's and her own abilities to cure him, as well as the nature of the doctor's intentions.
As stated by the official wiki, in fact, when talking about subject 15 "Lucy Stillman eventually became concerned with the condition of the subject and advised Warren Vidic to cease exposing her to the Animus.[2] Warren agreed and insisted Lucy take the day off.[3] He then sent an e-mail to Steve Gibbs informing him of the need for "disposal units" at the labs as well as the drafting of a fake accident report by James Morse, implying the termination of the subject.[4]", which might suggest that Lucy is a much more naive character than Desmond's pov would have us believe, at least when it comes to Vidic.
Third: this might be a bit weird but… all the tiny choices she makes when interacting with Desmond and the other assassins, what she chooses to reveal and what she doesn't… the reveal of her betrayal puts all the information given to us by pre-reveal Lucy into question, thus making her an unreliable narrator.
Considering that the rest of our information regarding her comes from Juno (the mother of all bitches) and Clay (whose pov was heavily manipulated by said mother of all bitches), both also unreliable narrators…
What we do actually know about Lucy is very little, and idk I think that makes her even more interesting.
So, uhm, yeah. There's a lot of other stuff I wanted to cover, such as the many ways I believe she is a tragic character and how her interactions with other characters (Coff coff Daniel coff coff) could have been very interesting to see but alas I am tired and my brain wants me to go to sleep already.
Bye and thanks for reading this.
Here's a cookie as a reward 🍪
#i honestly think lucy became a more interesting character after the whole ‘oops she’s actually a templar this entire time’#it gives a different spin to her cliche ‘hot badass girl that the main character is meant to have’ setup#i don’t know if this is analysis#or headcanons#screw it#both#headcanon: assassin's creed#teecup analyze more than necessary#also the whole cult thing#yeah i’ve been researching how cults work for an idea of mine#btw the isolation bringing down then building back up?#you can argue that happened to altaïr and ezio as well#maybe even desmond if he stayed on the farm#what i’m trying to say is#ac is an eternal war between two different cults#lucy stillman#warren vidic
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Tee, have you heard of/played Outer Wilds? It may be weird, but I find many similarities with the Assassin's Creed lore despite the games being very different...
I’ve not played it but I have heard of it and I was interesting in it because I know it deals with time loops (which is a trope I enjoy) so I know a bit of it. (and in my backlog)
I think the reason why you find it similar is because of the whole “the sun destroys your world and the entire solar system after a specific deadline” and it has an alien device called the Eye which has some OP capabilities.
Also… the ending of Outer Wild is bittersweet that invokes a similar feeling to Desmond’s ending in AC3: although death is inevitable, the choices we make are the keys to ensuring life goes on.
Other than that?
The idea that the protagonist is transported back into a specific time before the sun explodes to try and redo everything and change their fate is such a Desmond-centric fanfic plot XD
That’s my opinion though and it’s based on what I know about the game XD
#i wasn’t sure if you wanted me to do an idea for an outer wild-esque au#or crossover#or if you wanted me to analyze their similarities#just send me another ask if you wanted an idea XD#since this has become a#teecup analyze more than necessary#assassin's creed#outer wilds
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Thoughts on the new chapter of the web comic of ac black flag?
Thank you so much for the previous response!
(I'm glad you enjoyed our rants hahahaha)
So, I forgot to add this in the first post but if you’d like to read the official English version of the webtoon, here you go.
As for my thoughts on the first chapter, here’s the post.
Before I rant about Chapter 2, I need to talk about this:
“Hey, Abstergo, how bad did Devil of the Carribean flop that Noa doesn’t know Edward Kenway??? Did it not get a Korean release???”
It’s this guy, Noa!
He’s in the freaking trailer!!!
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Okay that’s the most forgivable 'oversight' they've done so far since, you know, it did flop so maybe it didn’t get an international release. Hey, maybe it’s a ‘so bad it’s good’ kind of cult classic by now XD
Let’s get on with me overanalyzing this webtoon.
Now, I’m going to assume you meant Chapter 2 as it’s the latest free chapter in Webtoons but, for those who didn’t know, they already have more chapters up that can be unlocked. I would suggest that you wait for the free chapters instead if you’re still unsure if you’d like to keep reading the webtoon or, you know, follow Captain Edward Kenway’s footsteps after being privateer didn't pan out XD
Okay, so let’s talk about Chapter 2… (and this may be disjointed and absolutely out of order)
First of all:
Adéwalé is mentioned!!!
It would be fun if he gets some screentime on this one, maybe save Edward some time or another.
Same, my man. Same.
Edward is also searching for a lost city in the IndoChina area, supposedly a city of the Isus, and part of the Khmer Kingdom.
Considering Khmer Kingdom was a Hindu-Buddhist empire, Isus based on Hindu gods (or an interpretation of already existing Isus seen as Hindu gods) could become vital to the story (or just a cameo).
There’s also info about missing ships and I’m betting this is connected to the lost city in some way.
If this is a case of Tomb Raider Yamatai’s defense mechanism though… come on, Ubisoft. (It’s also possible it’s those masked dudes but my bet is the Yamatai defense mechanism type)
Okay. I have a problem with this one…
So… I don't think we have confirmation if he has already married Tessa Kenway in this one but is Edward fully embracing that he’s British and not, you know, Welsh? Like, is this the vibe we’re going for here? Or are we going for “Welsh is part of Britain” type of deal and Edward is just calling himself British because, sure, yeah, okay, that’s how people around here know him as? Also, everyone thinks he’s British because of his accent but he’s Welsh in my ears (and maybe it’s not as thick as Catrin-Mai Huw’s Nia but it’s at least around the ballpark of Aimee-Ffion Edwards’ Mio so yeah, he sounds Welsh to me). (To be fair, he was a privateer under the British Crown so maybe this is just me pushing my headcanon that he’s proud to be Welsh).
THE MOST IMPORTANT PART THAT IS MOST PROBABLY JUST MEANT TO BE A REFERENCE:
I’ve talked about this in the other post before BUT this is most definitely a reference to the temple underneath Alamut. Now, Alamut isn’t in Syria but I’m going to think better of everyone who had a hand in this webtoon and assume that this is not a mistake but a hint that they’re starting to look into it but don’t know the exact location so they’re starting in Syria where the seat of power of the Levantine Brotherhood was. Also, it was Edward who found the temple so this serves as a nodnodwinkwink that they’re not going to find anything and Edward would have to check it himself later on… probably. I don’t know anymore with Ubisoft.
Additional Notes for the other chapters because goddamn it, I wanna talk about some of these already. Primarily, THREE THINGS!
ONE: EDWARD’S EYES GLOW WHEN HE USES THE EAGLE VISION
And since this is supposed to be canon, it means Eagle Vision making people’s eyes glow when it’s activated is canon! I feel so validated for my headcanon.
Although it looks more red than gold but I’m still going to keep describing the glow as gold because fuck Ubisoft, I'll write what I want XD
TWO: The implication of the name Shimazu
The lead of the whole ‘let’s abduct this dude and force him to relive Edward’s memories instead of paying him and make him believe it’s for a new game!’ plot is supposed to be this ‘Shimazu’ Sei although the quotation brings into question if she is truly related to the actual Shimazu Clan, it could just be a case of the whole ‘there’s no real evidence that she has Shimazu ancestry but yeah, she actually does’ thing.
So if we go by the idea that the Shimazu Clan is part of the Templar Order, this brings up some insight to the possible Templar activity in Japan because:
The Shimazu Clan is descended from the Minamoto Clan which are pretty much composed of members of the Japanese imperial family that have been removed from the line of succession or taken out of the family itself and became nobles instead. The Shimazu Clan’s Templar ‘roots’ may stem from their exclusion to what they may consider to be their birthright.
The Shimazu Clan’s ancestor is Minamoto no Yoritomo who is the brother of probably the most famous of the Minamoto brothers, Minamoto no Yoshitsune. Why is Yoshitsune famous? He’s known as one of the legendary heroes in Japanese history (although a lot may have been exaggerated at this point) and the Shimazu Clan’s ancestor Yoritomo is sometimes portrayed as going against him which, if Yoritomo is part of the Templar Order/Order of the Ancient, might imply that Yoshitsune was an ally of the Hidden Ones or something similar. (Historically though, they were allies but that might be the whole 'the Templars have muddled the truth' kind of deal)
The Shimazu Clan having Templar ties is also important because they were part of the Western Army in the Battle of Sekigahara which is another nod to AC lore of the Tokugawa Clan and the Eastern Army being allies with the Brotherhood during that time. There was no mention that the Western Army were Templars or Templar allies but, if this ‘Shimazu’ Sei does turn out to be an actual descendant of Clan Shimazu then this would imply the possibility that some (if not most or all) of the Western Army were either Templars or allied with the Templars.
THREE: Edward fighting shinobi-looking fellas
This gives the vibe that he’s fighting rogue/turncoats Assassins from the Japanese Brotherhood as most shinobis we know of were affiliated with the Brotherhood. I say ‘most’ because the Templars have employed a kunoichi before and Fuuma Kotaro seemed to not be affiliated with the Assassins or the Templars from what I read. So… yeah, might just be shinobis employed by the Shimazu clan as they have said or might be rogue/turncoats Assassins and ‘Shimazu’ Sei is meant to be their descendants. Maybe even both???
Not a mistake but I had assumed that the way of speaking of the characters was a translation choice but this (btw, this isn’t the official translation):
The Japanese line isn’t bad or unreadable/not understandable (and the English translation is not entirely correct which I assumed they translated from the Korean line that was included below the Japanese line) but it’s not exactly in accordance with the time period. Remember how Edward would say ‘Jay-sus!’ instead of ‘Jesus’ in Black Flag? Or how they speak in certain ways that we don’t use anymore? It’s similar to this considering that this was in 1724~25.
Maybe it’s because I watched a lot of Japanese period dramas but
目撃者を殺す
is too plain in my ears. The literal translation of this is “kill the witness” not “kill the witnesses”.
For a shinobi like this, I feel that translating “kill the witnesses” should be more like this:
すべての目撃者全滅する
That would translate to “Annihilating all eyewitnesses” which has more gravitas.
The more complete line would be “すべての目撃者を全滅する” but it’s more natural at times to remove particles when speaking and this is longer, yes, but that’s usually how they speak in olden times. Since Japan is still in the Edo period, they’d still be using a more archaic way of speaking than what we’re used to. This すべての目撃者全滅する, btw, is already modernized compared to how they should normally speak but it’ll be more ‘believable’ than just 目撃者を殺す.
Or… you know… the mook shinobi is not really a poet nor a reader and I’m thinking too deeply on this.
If you’ve read up to the end, here, have a chibi Edward XD
#noa is quarter-japanese but i swear to god#if the plot twist is he’s a shimazu clan descendant#i’m fucking out#we interrupt this over analysis + rant#with me talking about translations#because that's a thing now i guess#what’s that?#i focused too much on japanese history?#well#that’s what i’m familiar with XD#hey#ask and answer#assassin's creed#edward kenway#teecup analyze more than necessary#noa kim#teecup analyze and reacts to acft webtoon
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It's probably me seeing things, but does it look like you like Hidden Ones were less impressed with Isu stuff in general? I mean. in Origins we have Bayek coasting through half a dozen temples and tossing away two Apples. *Technically* in Valhalla we have (HO adjecent) Eivor parting with an Apple, no issues, and just meditating at various Isu ruins... Later on Assassins seem more invested in the stuff. Unless Mirage/Golden City prove me wrong
My usual go-to answer to really weird sci-fi bs that lacks any kind of reaction are
Unreliable Narrator: We’re not exactly seeing what truly happened but what the Animus has interpreted. Either something has snuck into the Animus and there is no reaction since it didn’t really happen (ex: Clay’s gylphs in AC2 and maybe the weird messages for Layla in the temples/pyramids Bayek visited) or the Animus reads the genetic memories but interprets it the way the source sees it or remembers it (Eivor’s Odin memories are tainted with Norse myth instead of being pure Isu history or Bayek fighting a bigass snake after performing a ritual). Some of the special abilities of the weapons and tools they acquire could also fall under this, similar to how sometimes people exaggerate their stories. So, for example, Bayek received a flaming sword (the name I will not say because spoilers) but that may be the Animus’ interpretation of the rage in Bayek’s heart after receiving the sword. Mjollnir’s abilities could also be the Animus glitching because of what Eivor believed the legendary Mjollnir should be able to do.
Religious Inclination of the POV Characters And What They Believe In: Another possible answer is that it’s not like they’re unimpressed but more like they believe that it is possible so why should they be surprised? Bayek, Alexios/Kassandra, and Eivor all believe in their gods and religion so, when faced with things like curses or mythological beings, they have an easier time believing them. Bayek did lock two Apples up because he was wary of their power and, by the time Eivor held an Apple, she pretty much knew the Apple was the reason for all the weird things happening in the Isle of Skye so she treated it more like a cursed artifact than anything.
When in Doubt, Blame the Animus: Considering how the most bizarre and elaborate Isu/myth events happen in Layla’s trilogy and how Layla stole her Animus from Abstergo who had been primarily using the technology to produce entertainment, it’s possible that her Animus is more inclined to making more bombastic action pieces than Vidic’s Animus (which the Assassins’ Animus was based of). Also, considering how a freaking Chocobo is obtainable in Origin, Layla (or someone in her team) is probably modding the Animus. Trial of the Gods events are also noted as being glitches so either someone has been modding the Animus or Layla’s Animus is glitchier than the previous Animus. (Excalibur and other Isu weapons are also part of this explanation because, come on, I get Excalibur not getting any real reaction BUT FREAKING GUNGNIR???)
#should this be considered as analysis?#or headcanon?#let’s go with headcanon#headcanon: assassin's creed#assassin's creed#ask and answer#i guess i can tag#bayek of siwa#eivor varinsdóttir#fuck it let's add it anyway#teecup analyze more than necessary
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Here for the same every week.
Pd: I was scared for the look in the face of Noah :(
My thoughts on Chapters 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6
Official English translation (the free chapters anyway) here
So, before we get to the ‘meat’ of my thoughts for this chapter, Edward is doing good on his part but the mystery is mostly contained in the modern-day part right now so that’s where I will focus on.
I will have to ask, is this something that Edward knew on his own?
Or is this meant to be something Noa did that goes against history?
Are we saying Noa’s Animus has the ability to change the past as he sees it? (Not the real past though but the past that the Animus is loading)
Annnyywaaayyy…
My head pretty much hurt when I was reading the modern-day part because it sorta doesn’t make sense?
This dialogue makes it seem like rejecting the memories would worsen the Bleeding Effect but that’s not what happened to Cal’s father in the film. He went blind because he refused to cooperate with the memories yet there was no mention of how he suffered from the Bleeding Effect.
I supposed the film’s side effects would have less canonical standing than ‘Shimazu’’s words in the webtoon?
Also… this part…
Are we saying that Edward, who wanted to meet his daughter after learning about her, the same Edward who returned to London with her, the same Edward who made a name for himself as a noble and made sure to provide for both his daughter and his son…
We’re calling Edward a deadbeat dad???
Look… let’s be clear, Edward made grave mistakes. How he left Caroline is a big red flag that points at him being a deadbeat husband even if he says he’s doing it for them but the ending of Black Flag shows that he wants to be better, he wants to be a good father.
Edward: Will you stay with the Assassins? Anne: No. I haven't got that kind of conviction in my heart. You? Edward: In time, aye... when my mind is settled and my blood is cooled. Sailor: Sail ho! Coming into the cove! Anne: You're a good man, Edward. And if you learn to keep settled in one place for more than a week, you'll make a fine father too.
And Edward's part in this webtoon is set 3 years after Edward and Anne had this conversation.
Edward was a lot of things but I refuse to believe that he was a deadbeat dad to Jenny growing up.
Dude, don't do Edward dirty like that.
I think this is Noa projecting his hatred for his father but Edward is not the right person to be used for this entire thing.
Hey, Noa. Wanna know who fucked up the Kenway family so badly?
This motherfucker.
The whole Kenway family drama started when he had Edward killed, Jenny sold off and indoctrinated Haytham into becoming a Templar.
For all Edward Kenway’s shortcomings and foolish decisions, I refuse to believe that he was ever anything but a good father to his children and Noa’s words, while I know came from the eyes of someone who don’t know Edward enough and someone who has a very bad relationship with his own dad, still managed to irk me.
At least Desmond had an actual bad dad to push his daddy issues to with Haytham and we can't even really call Haytham a deadbeat dad since his 'lack of contact' is because he didn't even know he had a son in the first place.
I'm just saying the Kenway men (actually, the Auditore-Kenway men) are not the right people to call 'deadbeat dads' in this scenario. An argument can be made for 'deadbeat husband' for what Edward did to Caroline but NOT deadbeat dads.
Now, for the other ‘main character’ of the modern-day era…
This line does not bold or add single quotation marks on the Shimazu so this could mean that she does believe she’s a Shimazu but the boss lady doesn’t believe she’s a Shimazu. Of course, this could also be an indication that the boss lady calling her ‘Shimazu’ with quotation marks was meant to show that she was stressing the name instead of implying she’s not a real descendant of the Shimazu clan.
Another thing… (this is more of a personal thing than anything so you can ignore this)
No.
God, no. Please don’t.
I already have a low tolerance for tsunderes in general, if this webtoon makes ‘Shimazu’ a tsundere with the development being she’d become more and more ‘dere’ for Noa, I’ll probably lose any interest I have in her. Tsunderes aren’t really my thing, especially if they physically abuse their ‘dere’ target which ‘Shimazu’ kinda did using the goons she had with her.
#please don't add romance between noa and 'shimazu'#the one between cal and sofia was already a bit iffy af#but atleast sofia was sorta kind to cal#'shimazu' has been nothing but a haughty bitch to noa this entire time#god there relationship does have a lot of similarity between cal and sofia#tsunderes are reaaaalllyyy easy to fuck up#assassin's creed#teecup analyze more than necessary#noa kim#edward kenway#teecup analyze and reacts to acft webtoon
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Here I'm once again, thoughts on the new chapter?
The woman with the tablet on chapter 4 gives me a vibe of Lucy idk why.
My thoughts on Chapters 1, 2, 3 and 4
Official English translation (the free chapters anyway) here
The woman with the tablet, for me, feels more Vidic at the moment. Maybe if we get a scene with her being nice to Noa, she’ll be similar to how Lucy acted around Desmond (especially if she implies she’s working for Abstergo because she has no choice).
Ngl, depending on how she treats Noa, she could turn into either Vidic or Sofia Rikkin. Speaking of which, Sofia Rikkin is still alive, right? Why isn’t she the one doing this shady Animus project? XD
I can say for certain that this would be a shorter ‘thoughts and analysis’ than usual, mainly because a large portion of the chapter focuses on Edward being a badass. As much as I love seeing Edward being a badass, there’s really not much to analyze as I focus more on the story XD
I will say that Edward getting sanctuary from the Chinese is funny considering he’s running from the Japanese. XD
Also, it might be because I’ve been talking about Jade a bit and I’m reaching but if they get a Chinese character to join their quest, this might become connected to AC Jade.
(But I still think the focus on Noa’s quarter-Japanese ancestry and the villains being the Shimazu clan points at this being a prequel/set-up to AC Red).
Anyway, main takeaway:
Edward’s character development from Black Flag is intact:
The fact that this comes at the cost of so many lives will always be bittersweet to me.
Oh, also…
He hunted 2 crocodiles and if we based it on AC Black Flag Crafting (from IGN):
I’m betting Edward’s gonna get another pistol but I would absolutely love it if it was for a rope dart pouch. The panel would suggest either a belt or a holster though. :(
(Meta: I'm sorry, Edward, are you saying that you didn't load up with your max upgrades before you went on this mission???)
And to end this short-ish thoughts and analysis:
See? This is the kind of thing that would be the same as ‘rejecting the memory’. If ‘Shimazu’ Sei keeps saying that this is all dandy and a good thing, I’m calling bullshit and think either she’s actually deliberating keeping things from Abstergo or this webtoon is trying to push an Animus theory that contradicts what we know of how the Animus operates using genetic memories.
Btw, does anyone know what she’s supposed to be making here? It looks like soup and skewer with perhaps rice wine(?) but the 2 uncooked garlic bulbs make me go “???”
#it just doesn’t make sense that ‘not doing what happened in the memory’ would be better#like that’s the whole point of desynchronization in the games#unfortunately i cannot confirm if the chinese line in this chapter is accurate or not#assassin's creed#edward kenway#noa kim#teecup analyze more than necessary#ask and answer
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here im once again but this time really late jsdfjksdkjfsdjkf, thoughts on whats going on?
This answer is late too, ssoorrrryy
I have created the tag! Here’s the tag for all my reactions and analysis to this webtoon.
Official English translation (the free chapters anyway) here
It seems I have skipped a week so this would be for both Chapter 10 and 11.
Edward’s eyes glow blue this time around even though they glowed red/orange when he used Eagle Vision in a previous chapter. I’m gonna go on a limb and say ‘artistic freedom’ or something. I’m still going for the ‘Eagle Vision makes eyes glow gold’ because it’s me.
The infiltration mission was okay. The coin distraction though…
……………
Coin throws in AC has always been more on the side of “free money!” and used to get civilians to turn into human obstacles for guards.
Coin distraction is more of this dude’s thing:
And…
I don’t understand why they went for that route? Edward has sleeping darts. And, yeah, okay, maybe he doesn’t have it with him but that only makes me go “Why not?”. Edward had always struck me as the type to use whatever is at hand so deliberately leaving his darts and his rope dart? It feels like… it’s a character development that makes him feel dumber than he was before. Assassins used whatever tools are available in their arsenal so, not using or forgetting their tools? Looks bad on Edward’s part.
By the way, Black Flag had whistle so Edward could have whistled instead. Would it have gotten the other guards’ attention? Absolutely. But it would have been more in line with what we know of Edward’s skill sets.
(Does that mean Edward couldn’t have done the coin thing? No. He totally could. It’s just… a rock distraction would be better in my eyes because coin throwing distraction skill is such a known game mechanic of Hitman that it's pretty much a core of the games' identity by now. Maybe this was meant to be a reference to Hitman or something, but I kinda wonder if the authors forgot that coin throwing distraction is not an Assassin’s Creed thing?)
By the way, this isn’t surprising that it’s a full blast musket fire but the safer setup is to have two or three ‘groups’.
The idea is: one group fires then the other group fires while the first group fires. That way, there’s a shorter gap between firing. (This is officially called Volley Fire and it’s quite common)
Just to be clear that I’m not criticizing the authors’ decision to not use volley fire. AC games usually only have one line of musket fire too (ex: AC3) so that might have been a reference to that. Or this was created to show that the shinobis are a real danger that don’t even flinch in the line of fire.
… Or… Oda Nobunaga used volley fire so the Shimazu clan would have an idea that the moment the musket fires and they survive, they win.
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Okay, let’s talk about Edward using a katana.
Siiggghhh, I didn’t know I was going to talk about this but here we are.
The action is pretty good.
The choice to give Edward a katana makes me go “why???”
And then there’s Edward’s actual stance when using a katana.
He uses it quite well.
But he uses it like he knows how to use a katana in general which feels weird?
Could he have learned it when he was a pirate? Sure but we never got any indication of that.
Also, his use of the katana is too different from how he uses a single sword in Black Flag. His 'idle' stances themselves are not good for katanas and you would think that Edward would use the katana like his usual sword-stance for single sword but no. He uses it like he knows how to use a katana from the very beginning.
I just… I don’t understand why he has to have a katana for this chapter…
Dude, his usual sword is right there.
I'll believe it more if he had been trying to dual-wield his usual sword and the katana.
Although, I've seen some frames where the sword disappeared like these two...
But seriously, why make Edward use a katana when there's no prior knowledge that he knows how to use the katana?
Rule of cool?
Reeeaaalllyyy???
Putting that aside…
Shimazu Saito isn’t in the Shimazu Clan wiki so he’s most probably created specifically for this one. I do wonder what the kanjis of his name is because if his ‘Sai’ is 西, that could also be read as ‘Sei’ which might add some kind of connection to ‘Shimazu’ Sei.
Also…
This might be a POE, probably a Sword of Eden, unless that shonen-manga aura thing is some kind of artist interpretation to show how deadly he is. It looks like an odachi to me and my first idea might be the odachi that would later be known as Haja-no-Ontachi.
This would mean that the Shimazu Clan has a Sword of Eden and I feel like the Templars wouldn't use this willy-nilly so this makes me lean further to the whole 'these Shimazu enemies are rogue 'Templars' that have left the Order and the Shimazu clan for some reason'
Sidebar: I still think this could be a stealth promotion for AC Red but there's also the possibility that this was created to drum up some interest to play/replay Black Flag especially with the rumors of a Black Flag remake in the works and the rumors that they would be headed by Ubisoft Singapore that was developing Skull and Bones. If it did... this might end with Noa Kim being saved by the Assassins who tell him to relive Edward Kenway's older memories because there's 'something' hidden there and the remake will change the modern day setting to Noa Kim instead of Black Flag's Noob.
Which... I don't really support? Because (1) AC1 deserves a remake more (although I am worried that Ubisoft will fuck that up) as Black Flag still holds up well and is more accessible than AC1 and (2) Noob's modern day setting in Abstergo Entertainment was pretty fun imho and it would be funny if the remake's Abstergo Entertainment looks a lot like Ubisoft Quebec's offices.
#it feels weird to give edward a katana that he can wield that easily#shay had a katana and wakizashi but those were animus mods#i don't enjoy 'shimazu' sei#she's so tsundere that my reaction whenever she goes tsun tsun is 'ugh'#sorry i just have short patience for tsunderes in general#teecup analyze and reacts to acft webtoon#assassin's creed#ask and answer#edward kenway#noa kim#teecup analyze more than necessary
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Here I come once again, thoughs on the new chapter of AC Black Flag?
My thoughts on Chapters 1, 2 and 3
Official English translation (the free chapters anyway) here
I thought this would be shorter because I have talked about the main points in this chapter previously here in the additional notes but nope. I blame the Animus they're using and its 'features'.
Sidebars before I start overanalyzing:
Yeah, that’s pretty much a good summary of this franchise.
The two best Edwards in this chapter XD
(Also known as "the duality of AC fans whenever it concerns the decisions Ubisoft makes")
So here are my thoughts and my overanalysis XD
Eagle Vision
Okay. I already talked about how this can be considered a confirmation that Eagle Vision makes eyes glow (but I will still headcanon that they glow gold and not that reddish tint)…
But the next panel… Why is the hiding spot Edward chose glow red?
They’ve always glowed white before? (And I am completely ignoring the whole red footsteps that brings back memories of the red footsteps that Desmond finds in Villa Auditore because I’m pretty sure that’s meant to show an alternate route and not that there’s definitely a ‘traitor’ or an enemy that Edward should be wary about)
I want to say it’s artistic license at play since the people that should glow grey glow sorta blue in this one as well.
I think it’s just a bit ‘eeeehh???’ for people who’ve played the game because, no matter what changes Assassin’s Creed makes, there are some things that never change.
‘Red = Enemies’, ‘Blue = Allies’ and ‘White = Hiding Spots or Object of Interest’ are staples of Eagle Vision (or whatever they’re calling it nowadays).
I guess it could be an Abstergo Animus related ‘feature’.
Synchronization Rates
So this one is kinda strange. As a “Desmond Deserves Better” fan, I will admit that it’s more of a headcanon for me how Desmond has high synchronization rate because he accepts the memories as they happen. But that is backed up by gameplay where we are given side objectives to get 100% synchronization in memory blocks which we have always thought of as ‘how the memory truly happened’ but this…
She’s talking about how, in the previous chapter, Noa has his ‘daddy issue’ desyncing where he tried to fight Edward’s memories with his own hatred for his deadbeat old man.
But ‘Shimazu’ Sei says:
And that’s weird because we have a canon record of what happens when an Animus subject rejects the memories which would cause a lot of errors:
Joseph Lynch
AC wiki summarized what happened to him quite well:
Joseph was put into an Animus but resisted synchronization with his ancestors, refusing to let the Templars discover the secrets of his bloodline. As a result, he suffered neurological damages and became blind.
So I think I speak for a lot of us when I say that we had always assumed synchronization rates had always been tied to how closely the Animus subject relives their ancestor’s memories and Shimazu’s lines contradict that.
Unless…
She’s lying and this is a case of “this person has her own ulterior motive that goes against what Abstergo wants”.
Or it could be another new Abstergo Animus ‘feature’.
English and Korean Version Difference:
Okay, so for my thoughts on the implication of having the Shimazu Clan as Templars or Templar allies, go here.
There is one thing I noticed:
Shimazu is bold in the official webtoon English translation when the fan translation I saw had it in quotes.
I thought that was strange because bold would emphasize her Shimazu lineage but quotes would bring the possibility that she’s not actually a Shimazu.
So what do I do?
Check the Korean version. XD
So it’s in quotes as well so I think it’s more in line with perhaps the people working on this webtoon want us to believe that there is a possibility that this Shimazu Sei is not a real descendant of the Shimazu clan.
Speaking of translations, there is another Japanese line in this one that I didn’t bother to talk about because it’s okay. Yeah, I can believe some masked dude would say that line. The official translation “Kill all witnesses” still annoys me though and I can’t even check the Japanese version because I would need to have a Japanese IP to check it.
Anyway, I already ranted about how I would translate that so yeah.
Overall, lots of action and a bit of modern day plot mixed in. Edward is at the top of his game as usual and I will continue to zero in on other things because that’s how I roll.
(Anyone curious about the Korean raw? Here the Korean webtoon website.)
#ubisoft and the fandom pretty has accepted#any bugs and inconsistencies will be chalked to#animus feature#ask and answer#assassin's creed#edward kenway#noa kim#teecup analyze more than necessary#yeah… translation quirks are kinda a thing of mine#i have… a history of translating some things#i think i’m still under nda though XD#bottom line if they keep adding japanese lines#imma keep commenting on them#teecup analyze and reacts to acft webtoon
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