#tatbir

[ghelgheli]

tatbir is tbh one of the cooler things about shi'ism and the focus on its various forms as marking something uniquely degenerate about shi'as goes perfectly well with all manner of fascistic moral purity rhetoric like it is play-by-play the same as outrage at perceived sexual deviance

[ameeralfaham]

From Tatbir to Chanel. Thanks for the gift!

[omgellendean]

Another official account also posted this gem:

"Stop Iranian regime™ before Shia Muslims *checks notes* start doing Tatbir right in front of your croissant".

Nothing more repulsive than the settler state's attempt at manipulating Sunni Muslims by using sectarian language to legitimise the killing of Shi'a Muslims

In fact, "The Shi'as insult the Prophet's companions" rhetoric was also used by another notorious terrorist group to legitimise the genocide of Shi'a Muslims:

[srzei]

Tatbir

A while ago I came across a post on Facebook calling tatbir a cultural practice and here was my comment on it.

“I beg to differ. Where did you read that it’s a cultural practice and not a religious one? Just like Matam, zanjeer zani and qama are to give pursa to Bibi Syeda (a.s.), Imam Hussain (a.s.) and Ahlulbayt.

On a second note, people will always make comments. People make fun of our matam and some have made it into parodies. Does that stop us? No. Why? Because we want to give pursa to the Ahlulbayt. It’s very personal to us. Just like that, if someone wants to practice tatbir to give pursa then it’s their choice.

Thirdly, throughout people have presented all different sorts of images of Shia.

I have tried my level best to always present what a good Shia should look like. But when it comes to giving pursa to Ahlulbayt, the situation becomes very sensitive and personal! Hence, everyone should be left up to their own way of giving pursa. Some want to donate blood and some want to do tatbir but none should be called out for presenting a wrong image. To each their own.”

I also want to mention that if we Shias want to be united, we need to accept different views within our community and accept it unless their actions are harming someone. I believe tatbir and even matam should be done by choice. If a parent is forcing their child to do tatbir or matam then that is totally wrong.

What is your take on it?

[mtkthedreamer0]

Is Tatbir (blood maatam) a part of Islam? | BISKIT

[saviortruth-posts]

Mr. Aabdolakram Interview about Tatbir

[zinattango]

"Zaynab, when she saw the head of her brother she struck her forehead against the front side of the carriage and we could see blood coming from under her scarf and she made a gesture with a piece of rug to him saying: "O my new moon whom on becoming full moon, eclipse has seized and has begun to disappear behind the horizon, I could not imagine, O one half of my heart that this was measured and determined in writing. O my brother, here is little Fatimah, please speak to her, because her heart is about to melt, out of grief, sadness missing her father, O my dear brother your heart was very kind to us, what has happened that it has become, and has turned stiff, O brother were you to see Ali among the captives with the orphans he could not bear compulsion, whenever they hurt him with beating he would call you with his face lost all color (pale) and with his tears following, O brother hold him to you and take him near yourself to calm down his terrified heart, what becomes of the condition of a orphan when he/she calls his her father for help but does not find any answer !"

Bihar Al Anwar, Volume 44 To receive Daily Ahlulbayt (a) hadiths please join: https://t.me/Ahlaybayt

[nargisfirdous]

Does ritualized self-harm promote freedom of religion?

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According to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights  Article (9), everyone has the freedom to express their religious beliefs and practice their religion accordingly. Does it mean that one can cross the boundary line and go too far? I believe that Shia Muslims go too far during Ashura, commemorated worldwide in the form of self-flagellation and bloodletting practice. Is this freedom being abused? In Tooting, south London, 2016, hard-line Muslims spilt blood in the mosque by flaying their skin with chains in a brutal way, called “Zangeer Zani’’   whereas Iraqis use swords on their heads. This practice is so extreme that Ayatollah banned it in Iran. Shia Scholars’ Fatwas on Tatbir - Ijtihad Network

I would argue that it is an extreme level of self-harm and not mentioned in Quran. Some critic’s claim the participants suffer psychological damages, especially children with this traumatic experience. I agree with this because young children are under peer pressure to participate without understanding religion, which plays a part to fulfil their desire to belong to the religion/ group and not be perceived as cowards. It is traumatic for any non-practising observer who has never witnessed this event before.

Parents are to blame for encouraging them in the name of religion, and young babies having their forehead slashed with razors by parents is beyond belief and illogical. If it means to wash away sins, babies are not old enough to sin. Does this ritual self-harm promote religion? I don’t think so. It is not a religious requirement; on the contrary, it presents a very barbaric image of Shiaism, whereas Islam is a religion of peace. This practice is a deterrent for anyone thinking of converting to Islam.

 As a secular society, the UK has accommodated minority religions, and the bloodletting ritual is not a religious but cultural practice. Children participating in such practices openly on the street seems barbaric. Yes! We can educate children about the tragedy of Karbala, but self-flagellation is not part of it and does not achieve anything except attention from onlookers. So is it for a show? It does gain media attention to be on the front page. How do the participants, including children, feel at the end of the day? In pain, obviously, and unable to lie on their back for a few days until healed.

Article (24) Children need to be protected, nurtured and not to march on the streets practising bloodletting rituals. In my opinion, the state should intervene and prohibit children‘s participation for the sake of their welfare. There is child protection legislation, so why not apply to this ritual? Some Shia clerics encourage men to donate blood for good causes instead of wasting it on the streets. This should be promoted vigorously throughout Shia mosques. It is a matter of educating the masses.

[inventors-fair]

Winners to the Core

Congratulations to @pretentiouslimericks and @gollumni for winning this week’s contest!

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@pretentiouslimericks - Tatbir, Consul of Strategy

Well, it’s aggressive, but not “win the game” aggressive, and a build-around-me card if I ever saw one. Works with small fliers and dorks, elementals and zombies, and certainly fits white’s niche without being so insanely overpowered that it breaks the pie. Scry is a tiny bend, but the nontoken clause makes it worth it for that. I feel like someone would build a legacy commander deck with this card, and I love them a lot. Just the kind of thing that a new player might be interested in, seeing white’s small creatures and wondering what to do with them!

@gollumni - Marrow Melder

I’m reminded of Nantuko Shade, personally, with some aggressive blends of vampires and shades alike. I’m not a massive fan of the mutant clause, and I wish there was flavor text, but as a concept? This card is just what I’d love to see in limited and is at a powerful enough level to be a rare for new players while occupying black’s slice immensely. I’m just a fan of this card in general, and that might be a personal bias of mine. It still, to me, captures just what a card from an older core set might have been, and it’s that feeling that I enjoy seeing emulated.

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Runners-up and general commentary soon! Thank you all for your entries.

[ghelgheli]

no wonder the vibes are off it's muharram and I got nobody to do azaadaari with

[adpr-i-b-s-referee-blog]

#اهدای_خون_شیعه #التبرع_بدم_المسلم_الشیعی #شیعه #امام_حسین #قمه #قمه_زنی #محرم #اهدای_خون #خون #shiamuslims #shiablodddonors #shiablooddonation #hussain #ashura #muharram #blood #blooddonation #blooddonors #imamhussain #tatbir

[lover-of-ar-rahmaan]

Tatbir - Ya Hussain (ع)

Let the blood splatter - leave me alone! I'm drenched and intoxicated in his Wilayah.

[shiaat]

Azadari

May Allah curse the killers Hussain(asws). Shame on us for pointing at fellow Shias on the tatbir.

• Tatbir is bidah, tatbir is fabrication ! Self flagellation is haram! Enough people stop it. When you don't want do tatbir then stay back no ones forcing you to do it. • Or are you more aware of Quran then Sayeda #Zainab(asws) or Imam al Sajjad(asws) or should I ask do you have more marifat of Ahlulbayt(asws) then Prophets(as) who shed blood over martyrdom of shaheed e #karbala Hussain ibne Ali(aswa) ?? Where do you stand and who are you to judge azadars over his/her azadari ? Does anyone have a right to judge people as to how they express love over Hussain(asws) ? Who are you to judge and command people on how to give condolesence to Al Zahra(asws) ? May Messenger of Allah(sawaw), Al Zahra(aswa), Imam Ali(asws), Imam Hassan(asws) & Imam al Qaim(ajtf) accept Jaza of every believer whose intentions are clean!! Shame on you lots that call tatbir bidah. #muharram1438

[shia-revert17]

Nakshawani does not endorse Tatbir. Get your facts straight first. I can't paste a link but search this on youtube exactly as I've written it by youtube user AbidZaidi195: Self FlagellationZanjeer Zani is not allowed in Shia Islam Syed Ammar Nakshawani

I recommend you watch the clip properly yourself as well. You're contradicting yourself.

[saviortruth-posts]

Is Tatbir a part of Shia Islam?

#Tatbir is a wrong costume which is imported to #Ashura ceremonies among #Shia Muslims  by Britain and America supported scholars to show a savage and barbaric face of Shia Musims to prevent the massive waves of converting to Shia Islam. No plan could do better ruining Shia Islam like Tatbir ! To day performing the memorial ceremony of Ali Asghar (infant son of Imam #Hussain who was martyred in Karbala) is banned in the United Kingdom but Tatbir is allowed and supported !!! #Imam_Hussain

[bibliatodo]

Los musulmanes, anualmente realizan una celebración donde para ellos la actividad más importante es derramar su propia sangre e involucrar a los niños cortándolos con cuchillos en sus cabezas.

Personas practicantes del Islam participando en la celebración del festival anual de Ashura

El islam es una religión con miles de fieles en muchas partes del mundo, y esta a su vez se divide en dos ramas: los sunitas (los ortodoxos, seguidores de los primeros califas sucesores de Mahoma) y los chiítas (seguidores del yerno de Mahoma).

Cada año, los chiítas participan en las ceremonias que se realizan para llorar la muerte de Husayn ibn Ali, quien fue nieto del “profeta”.

Estas celebraciones se llevan a cabo el décimo día del primer mes del calendario islámico, en el festival de Ashura.

Lo que en realidad causa polémica sobre estas “conmemoraciones”, son las extrañas actividades que se realizan en la misma; los hombres se cortan a sí mismos y también cortan las cabezas de los niños.

Hay investigaciones que sugieren que este tipo de acciones en los pequeños puede causar daños psicológicos duraderos.

Muchos musulmanes marcan el día con la práctica de “Tatbir”, en el cual usan una espada o azote para extraer sangre de sus cuerpos; algunos de los que participan en esta actividad creen que al hacerlo sus pecados son limpiados.

Existen clérigos que consideran que está prohibido autolesionarse en el Islam, mientras que otros creen que estas prácticas pueden crear una imagen negativa de su fe.

Otros rituales que se llevan a cabo durante esta celebración son: procesiones de luto y recitaciones de poesía triste.

Una perspectiva diferente

Cuando vemos todo esto desde un punto de vista distinto, podremos darnos cuenta de lo que en realidad opera en este tipo de “festividades”.

En esto no hay nada de bueno ni nada de beneficioso, ya que no hay necesidad de que una persona se autolesione solo para recordar la muerte de alguien.

Esto solo puede ser descrito como idolatría, la cual ciega a las personas para hacerlas realizar acciones creyendo que están haciendo el bien cuando en realidad solo se condenan; la idolatría evita que las personas puedan poner su mirada en Jesús para conocer al Dios verdadero.

¿Cómo sabemos que algo es de Dios?, simple, todo lo que viene de Dios lo refleja a ÉL, y transmite paz, gozo y seguridad.

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Musulmanes celebran a Mahoma derramando sangre y cortando las cabezas de los niños (FUERTE VÍDEO) Los musulmanes, anualmente realizan una celebración donde para ellos la actividad más importante es derramar su propia sangre e involucrar a los niños cortándolos con cuchillos en sus cabezas.