#t rants abt tvd

[phalliwellz]

What do you think of Elena Gilbert?

(In typical me fashion, this got stupidly winded n slightly off topic so TLDR; Elena is my baby even if I do wanna smack her sometimes skdnwkdn)

This is an hard question tbh bc short answer? I think she’s a good character. Complex and not as one dimensional as literally everyone makes her out to be. Especially in s1. and i think folks are unfair to her just ‘cause the writers failed her TERRIBLY and ruined her character completely by the time s4 hit. I firmly believe that the Elena that people ended up hating is s4-s8 Elena, not s1-s3 Elena. They shoved her down our throats without any thought and completely stumped her development/any redeeming thing abt her as soon as delena became a thing. She was so cool in s1! She was LITERALLY a depressed hot girl who could stand up to a 200 year old vampire but then they slowly took that hardness away from her to show that she’s ‘healing’ and ‘definitely not Katherine’ n she literally just...regressed and turned submissive in her relationship with Damon and pretty much every other relationship she had. Like I’ve said before, the Salvatore brothers came into her life when she was 17, she knew nothing BUT them and how they (and the rest of them eventually) treated her. They raised her to an IMPOSSIBLE standard and got irritated whenever she didn’t just sit and look pretty. Y’all mad because she made everything about herself even though Stefan, Damon, and the rest of them did the same thing? Constantly? she did not start that shit out of nowhere lol.

It’s irritating ‘cause she was literally just like a less vindictive Katherine, and honestly, there’s nothing wrong with that. The same traits that people villainize Elena for are the same traits people will call Katherine a ‘queen’ for. And tbh out of the two i definitely prefer Elena. But basically, as a protagonist, Elena was good until she wasn’t tbh. s1-s3, she was a level-headed, sweet girl and you can tell she genuinely cared for/wanted to fight for the people around her. (And yes I’m saying that as a Bonnie stan but bonlena is whole nother story for a whole nother day.) but in s4-s8 it eventually didn’t take long for j*lie & co. to ruin yet another female character for a relationship. all her good qualities and that selflessness they speak so highly of left as soon as she got with that man child but I’m honestly not holding it against her because Damon and his lil brother ruined and groomed Elena.

[phalliwellz]

that’s prolly exactly what they be thinking, and i honestly don’t get it bc we barely knew shit abt Hope in the originals??? like iirc we knew she was kinna a weirdo (as to be expected when your family acts like That) and she liked painting there was literally nothing else that told us abt what Hope liked to do, what exactly her personality was besides being a carbon copy of Klaus/Hayley like hellooooo ? 😭 y’all are not done we still know nothing abt this child compared to literally every other main character.

Exactly! like the twins have overbearing personalities that’s just how it is but if they were gonna introduce and MAKE IT SEEM LIKE legacies was gonna be the Hope & Others show then they need to act like it bc rn it’s jus the twins & landon, period.

besides raf, who doesn’t get anything of substance to even dig into: who do any of y’all feel is the worst written character on legacies - whether it be from poor content, lack of content, inconsistent writing, etc, etc? and obviously i’d like to hear why you feel that way, essays very much welcome, lol.

[phalliwellz]

Both Elena and Caroline were the main point of a love triangle. Frustratingly, when Bonnie was involved in one...Jeremy was the main point and the other girls were...ghosts.

If you were given complete control of storyline, who might you have paired with Bonnie for a love triangle where she is the main focus? (If that's anything you'd be interested in).

I love this ask because the amount of Bonnie love triangle fics I’ve read is far too much. There’s so many dynamics she would’ve been great in where do I even begin?

For one, KolxBonniexKai would’ve been the serve we all needed. It could’ve started during Silas era and probably never would have ended tbh. Bonnie’s moral compass would’ve been shot and she would’ve been obsessed over the way she SHOULD HAVE BEEN. They both would’ve helped her w expression and would have taken her away from the MFG easily. Just like how Kol always wanted Davina away from harm in the originals? that would’ve been Bonnie. In that dynamic, I could have seen her being held accountable/not propped up as the ‘perfect lil witch’ and it would’ve made for great development. Also, all 3 of them just would’ve been really hot together lmao.

Secondly, KlausxBonniexTyler. I know blah blah blah Klaus x Tyler is explosive in its own right but I love when authors have Bonnie being the person they come together (wink wink) for. werewolf x witch relationships will always have my heart and I think she could’ve thrived in that love triangle. Klaus loved witches before k*aroline took over and Tyler could have grown as a wolf with Bonnie, especially since wolves were once witches in TVDlore. Klaus would have showed her the world and Tyler would’ve been her comfort/the only one who gets how toxic the MFG really was. Plus, the trope where Bonnie is mates w both of them? Chef’s kiss really.

lastly, DamonxBonniexEnzo was really interesting to see. I don’t ship bamon nor bonenzo but the tension between all 3 of them? How sexsi. Canonically, Bonnie loved them both equally. Enzo and Damon had their own gay tension and were jus so angsty? Bonnie wouldnt be the MAIN focus in this but she would still have been surrounded w love so I think i tolerate this threesome a lot.

Overall, Bonnie was such a good character otp/shipping wise. She was flexible enough where she could’ve been with just about every character in this show, bc hell, even ElenaxBonniexCaroline was great in the gay sense bc they loved her differently? Idk but Bonnie and love triangles was missed terribly.

[phalliwellz]

A small rant on Forwood (and why I don’t like it as both a Tyler and Caroline stan.)

(Before I start I should say I very much like Tyler more than Caroline, so it honestly might show in this rant. Regardless, it’s not an attack on her character, more so how poor writing makes Caroline worse than she actually is. Anywho.) 

I legitimately cannot say one good thing about forwood. Except what @/hizziemikaelson actually made me realize was that it was Caroline’s best ship, but Tyler’s worst. Since the show likes to portray Caroline as everyone’s emotional savior, they very much knew what they were doing with getting them together. Ty was the patient, Care was the therapist. ‘Tyler has ‘anger issues’? perfect! Caroline will now be his entire rock because that’s her job and we don’t know how to write this character without EVERYONE falling in love with her in someway because we’re WEIRD!’ Like. lmao what? They made Caroline get so carried away with that shit that it turned manipulative. She subconsciously wanted him to be so dependent on her because someone wanting her for once? So unrealistic! (I say that sarcastically because it’s bullshit, but this is a forwood rant, not a Caroline rant.) and you best believe she used that to her advantage till the very end. She wanted Tyler to be nothing without her. And in the show’s eyes for a very great while, he was. Everything Ty did from s2 to s5 was ‘cause Caroline influenced it or wanted him to, unless it was related to his pack and even then he had to fight to be able to do that on his own. (Remember when she didn’t give two shits that his pack member died? (Inherently cause of Elena and Caroline wanted him to help her save her, might I add.) they made his happiness rely on her. Like I said, he was nothing without Caroline Forbes. Literally. Who swooped in when he was going through his father passing away? Caroline. Who was there when he found out his uncle died? Caroline. Who was DEFINITELY there when his mother died? Caroline. Which isn’t necessarily a TERRIBLE thing, but in this context it’s not cute/healthy, it’s dehumanizing. Because instead Tyler’s grief turns into her grief. We can only focus on Tyler if Caroline is mentioned/in the shot. It’s so fucking annoying, especially as such an extreme Tyler stan. I want to know about Tyler Lockwood, not Caroline Forbes and her werewolf boyfriend. But that’s what they did. That’s what they made forwood. They turned it into in the relationship only Caroline can excel at. He loved and cared for her and at most all she did was like his body and like the fact that he cared about her. I mentioned this before in a rant of mine but Caroline only started dating him because he actually listened to her yap all the time and showed her more attention than Matt ever did. (Without a fight atleast.) other than that, what else did they have? Vampire and werewolf, we’re to believe they despise each other and Caroline and Tyler are mystic fall’s answer to Romeo & Juliet? Fuck outta here. I know Caroline never cared about that boy because instead of actually being furious at Damon for killing him, it was, ‘He was my first love. *Conflicted but ready to get this over with frowny sad face*’ and my favorite ignorant bullshit line that she told KLAUS, ‘You were never the villain in my story.’ Oh, we know. We figured that out when you fucked him in the woods while you were supposed to love Tyler but you know, semantics :). 

It’s fucked because I could see the appeal? Like genuinely. Especially as someone who wanted THE BOTH OF THEM to be happy, it could’ve been the relationship where both of them shined, not just Tyler being Caroline’s boy toy and Caroline being propped up as ‘a soft uwu baby next to a bad boy with a mean temper and she has to calm him down all the time despite not being his registered therapist.’ They also wanted forwood to be the one good unrequited ship on the show and Caroline’s first great ship but that’s the problem, it was hers, not Tyler’s. Basically it was Caroline’s world, Tyler was simply living in it.

I feel like nothing defines forwood more than the scene where Tyler finds out Caroline slept with Klaus because everything from that is just them in a nutshell. Tyler trying to calm himself down/diffuse the situation because he doesn’t want to blow up, he knows it’ll hurt Caroline by doing so but he’s hurting, he needs an outlet. Caroline, who’s used to always being his outlet, is instantly threatened and actually doesn’t feel like she should be in the wrong for fucking Klaus, so suddenly she’s nervous and now she’s even more nervous because she can’t calm him down this time. Stefan, with his fat headed ass, instantly only sees Caroline being threatened and can’t even process being mad at her, he tries to defend Care, almost gaslighting Tyler into feeling like he’s the one that should be either apologizing or not taking it so hard. It was such a mess of a situation and such a pivotal moment I don't know how they even survived after that. It showed that forwood was so one-sided. No sex/grief scenes or declaration of love could’ve changed that. He fell in love with Caroline because she was all he had. She fell in ‘love’ with him because she was horny and needed a lap dog to heal her insecurities/wounds. No other reason. 

Personally I think they could’ve been more than what they were and could’ve been a great way to show Tyler’s development, Caroline’s development and even that julie & co. actually can make good relationships/have good writing. But unfortunately, none of those things happened except showcasing that Tyler Lockwood never mattered to anyone in the tvdu long before his death and Caroline Forbes is figuratively and literally the golden girl of tvd, despite them trying so hard to make her seem like she’s not. Tyler never stood a chance in that relationship.

[phalliwellz]

So I seen your rant about forwood so here's my question do you think parkwood was just as bad as forwood or what

In some ways, yeah? But in other ways, no. Because parkwood seemed like the writers apology for splitting up forwood as shit as they did. It was nowhere near as toxic but it still was ~meh~. Especially since j*lie & co. swore they weren’t gonna do the witch x werewolf combo because of Buffy. (and also the only young witch at the time was Bonnie and you know miss thing can’t have anyone remotely good for her romantically.) it honestly felt rushed and yet again Tyler was a character because of his significant other/another main character at that point in time. He wasn’t really an equal in parkwood but like I said, it wasn’t AS toxic. So is it as bad compared to forwood? Absolutely not. But does it still suck as a ship and for Tyler’s character? Hell yeah. If Tyler had to have a girlfriend to be a character, at the very least it should’ve always been Bonnie. There was no one else he could’ve been equals with or thrived more with.

[phalliwellz]

Society if Bonnie actually got the plot lines/arcs she deserved in tvd