#suspicious taekook moments

[hearthvkoo]

Someone sent me this video…

I personally never know what to believe when I see these analyses, but I admit that the time that passes between the comment and his reaction could be possible, and the fact that he quickly puts the cup down to clap his hands randomly is quite strange.

it happened to me that years ago (2019) Taehyung responded to one of my comments (unfortunately at the time I didn't know how to screen recording and I have no proof >.<), but the time between sending my comment and his response was just a few seconds, so all can be.

However, I don't believe in other videos where the dynamic is more or less the same like "raise your hand if taekook is real" "say hi if taekook is real" "whistle if taekook is real" I don't like that the chat is filled with this kind of comments, and I don't i think he or taehyung mean to play these games every time…

opinions on this?

[dearweirdme]

Hi 👋

First, I wanna thank you for being honest with me. I'm not the best at reading social cues so unless you are direct with me I'll be thinking "I think we're getting along!" and go on completely oblivious to any implications lol So your honesty is greatly appreciated, I'll keep everything you said in mind in the future.

On a second note, I'm really sorry for how my words came off 🙏, that really wasn't my intention. But now I see exactly what you mean, it really wasn't my place to tell you how to run your blog, it came off really bad. I sincerely apologize for that.

Now, to be real with you, I don't see you as delusional or wrong, or to be more accurate, both our opinions are based on pure speculation and personal interpretation, so I don't see you as any more delusional than I see myself.

In my perspective, I don't see Jikook as a real couple because they have never confirmed themselves to be one. And as long as that question lies unanswered, I'll only truly believe what they have described their relationship as, which is close friends. There's a part of me that suspects they're a couple but I don't see it as a fact.

So, keeping that in mind, I'll only believe you are actually delusional if there's not a single fiber of your being that believes you could be wrong, you are 100% sure Taekook are a couple. But that wouldn't be because you're a Taekooker, it'll be because you, a complete outsider to their life, believe your speculations to be a fact. And that's just a dangerous mentality to have in general, and unfortunately, I see it frequently in both jikook and taekook circles.

I don't come here to try to change your mind about Taekook, I come here cause I like reading your takes. You give very grounded opinions and debunk many biased assumptions I have of jikook, showing me different perspectives I couldn't see in my little bubble.

Moving on, I wanted to ask you: what really sold you on taekook, that made you go "they're dating"?

One thing I see as suspicious is the weird tension they have with each other, I don't see any other members having that same tension.

I think it's this very tension they have that makes Taekookers believe that taekook prioritize hiding their relationship to protect themselves, and Jikookers believe that taekook really did grow distant and got closer after In the soop.

Taekookers: tension = sexual tension and hiding relationship

Jikookers: tension = distance and awkwardness

I understand both of these takes, but I have some different interpretations of it, but ain't nobody reading all that. This shits WAY too long already lol.

Borahae 💜

(the more you look at him the more beautiful he gets, we can't blame Jungkook for getting a little lost in him kkkkk)

Hi @moo-mood!

I’m glad you understand.

As for your question about Tae and Jk, I think your ask really shows how people outside of tkk fandom don’t really understand where we are coming from.

We don’t generally focus much on sexual tension I believe. I’m sure there corners in our fandom that do, but in general sexual tension between Tae and Jk is not that often a point of discussion. There are moments that I feel classify as that, or at least as strong attraction.. but we don’t really get to see much of those. We also don’t expect to, because the last thing we would be privy to see between a closeted couple is obvious sexual tension. They hide that, and I think they hide it well. We see flirting, we see tenderness, and we did get some more loaded moments.. but imo not as much to be able to say Tkkrs generally explain the tension between Tae and Jk as it being sexual.

Sexual tension is only one part that might clue us into wether two people are in a romantic relationship though. What clued me in was how Tae and Jk are just a level up in closeness when compared to the other members. Imo they are closest physically and emotionally. There’s a reason why despite efforts to show Jk and Tae as less close (and yes, imo it’s been efforts) there are still soo many who never believed that. It’s because all throughout the period that Tae and Jk were deemed to be distant, their bodies and their interactions showed us differently. We often get laughed at because of our words on stares, looks, touches.. but those things are actually the hardest for people to consistently fake and to consistently hide. No other duo is as aware of each other as Tae and Jk are. No other duo gets each other as easily as Tae and Jk do… and that is actually something I am quite sure of… regardless of wether that means they are in a romantic relationship.

So it started with me believing Tae and Jk are closest. And what made me believe they are more than friends is basically everything else around them. The way they are the biggest ship, and yet Hybe does not commercialize them. The way they get jealous and/or annoyed because of the other. The way they are at times possessive of the other. The way the other members react to them (wether in a good way or in a way that they’re afraid of discovery). It’s all supported by my belief that individually speaking I feel Tae and Jk are possibly queer.

All in all, when I think of how I feel a closeted idol couple within the same band would be dealt with in SK.. it’s just basically what I see happened with Tae and Jk.

[bangtannism]

Lol speaking of other shippers being jealous of what JK and JM have and blaming the company for why their fave pair don't have it, I recently came across a reel from a Jinkooker page, showing moments from AYS and captioning it "this is what a friends vlog looks like so the company didn't mind showing it" and compared it to those pictures where JK and Jin took a trip together or something and JK was carrying his camera around, and of course they made the excuse that "the company" is gatekeeping the footage because they couldn't hide how they were a couple😅

I laughed so hard when I saw that. It's really all the same arguments from different subgroups of the fandom, they all cry "Bighit is hiding my ship/Jikook is fanservice". It looks like it's solely a Taekooker narrative simply because they are the loudest and most unhinged, but really, all non-Jikook BTS pair-that-has-JM-or-JK-as-one-half shippers are keeping their ships afloat with this narrative. Yes, including some Vminies (I've seen this lot parroting Taekooker narratives when the joint enlistment of Jikook was announced, and mind you they are the same people who were also so smug about Vmin definitely enlisting together)

I know deep down these people know that even if it was their ship spending so much time around each other and orbiting one another, it still wouldn't be the same. They'd never come across as suspicious. Jungkook was openly spending time with Taehyung and there had been an uptick in Taekook moments since 2022 compared to the few years before then and not ONCE did I see other shippers cry about "Bighit forcing Taekook down our throats" or accusing Taehyung of being a "fanservice king" (those accusations were only coming from toxic Jikookers) and "feeding his minions" the way they've always accused Jimin and still do to this day even though he doesn't mention JK nearly as much as Tae does.

Jikook as a ship was on a little bit of a "break" and Taekook had Taekookers convinced they were doing a soft launch and would become official quite soon & not once did I see Jinkookers, Vminies or Taejinners talking about "Taekook is hiding my ship". Even during that time, still, it was Jikook getting those allegations.

No, what makes the Jikook ship so polarizing was never about the quantity of their interactions but always about that special chemistry, that special tension they share between them. And everybody and their mama knows this - the only difference is that most of us hate it.

"the company" is gatekeeping the footage

yes, yes, a very popular assertion. bh/hybe is apparently sitting on a mountain of tkk, ymn, vmn, and jnkk content. (side note, i usually do not judge peoples ships at all but jnkk .... brother eugh.)

It's really all the same arguments from different subgroups

yup. 🙃 everyone is weirdly obsessed with calling jikook fanservice because it hurts their feelings that jikook not only spend time together, not only enjoy the time they spend together, but also come across more couple like than any other duos. it MUST be fanservice that theyre acting like that! it MUST be scripted!! (the cognitive dissonance goes hard in some of these folks.)

It looks like it's solely a Taekooker narrative simply because they are the loudest

nothing to add to this, i just agree. there's more tkkrs than other sub-groups so of course we would see it more often from them.

there had been an uptick in Taekook moments since 2022 compared to the few years before then and not ONCE did I see other shippers cry about "Bighit forcing Taekook down our throats" or accusing Taehyung of being a "fanservice king" (those accusations were only coming from toxic Jikookers)

to be fair, the uptick happened during ch2, so it wouldn't make much sense to say bh was forcing them (not that some other sub-groups ever feel the need to make sense, but that's a them problem). tkk are good friends and had more time to hang out and i love that for them and i do think most jikookers readily admit that tkk love each other. fuck the ones who don't, because it makes them no better than the people they criticize.

No, what makes the Jikook ship so polarizing was never about the quantity of their interactions but always about that special chemistry

that's exactly it, anon. jikook is viewed as a "threat" to all other ships that have jm/jk in them and therefore they take the brunt of hate. they simply would not get the hate and attention they do from other sub-groups if people were not so hellbent on "disproving" them. (weirdo behavior fr.)

i saw someone asking what shippers actually have some sus proof and underneath the comment mentioning jikook, there were tkkrs trying to tell everyone that jk never wanted to be on ays, doesn't like being around jm, etc. you would never catch me behaving like that or even thinking like that, because it simply does not worry me when jm or jk hang out with other people. it reeks of jealousy and insecurity.

no matter who jm and jk spend time with, it simply will not be the same as the moments they have together. whether friends or more than friends, their bond and chemistry is just special and anyone who doesn't want to admit that is lying to themselves.

[peachjagiya]

It doesn't matter how detailed your spreadsheet is. We will never know all the times any of them spend together -- and we shouldn't. So picking the ones we know, or think we know, and saying that's 1) comprehensive or 2) that we know the significance is dumb.

People are allowed to have friends. I will never understand this argument that in order for one ship to be true, the other dynamics must be negative. There are several reasons why these are the two top ships, but one is that there is a genuine closeness. Jk and JM stayed up and played video games. Ok. So? If either was dating a woman, would this late night game sesh make you question it? It's weird. It also ignores a prominent third dynamic (which I think should get more shine): vmin - who are clearly close and love each other and have done for over a decade. JM is one of both of their best friends. Spending time with him isn't a gotcha. There is no villain here (unless it's BH/BPD, then cool, I'm fine with that).

But ok, if birthdays are your thing...none of them have said it's actually their thing. In fact, hasn't it been said that JM is the only one who is really into birthdays? JM and Hobi are regularly the only ones doing postings for everyone. The rest are pretty inconsistent. Tae who has said him and his siblings don't even recognize each other's birthdays. The same way people hype that video of JK wishing JM happy birthday -- would make sense if your close friend really prioritizes birthdays. This sounds more like a difference of personal preference.

And of course there is just the blinding inconsistency. They are closeted and need to hide their love; no they are filming their honeymoon! They are hanging out (from what we, the anonymous strangers of the internet know) and that is the measure of romance; nope, psych, they are tooo busy and it's actually kinda suspicious if you hang out publicly like that, clearly bro behavior. You can't only point at a specific period of time (that time being the present) to prove a relationship; see, it all comes down to a few nights in 2018.

You've got 8 weeks of content coming up (and merch!). Half your ship as an album coming out. Just put the spreadsheet away and relax.

Not much more I can add to this! 👏👏👏

Especially the bit about Vmin.

I don't want to seem superior but I feel like if we had 8 weeks of Taekook coming, we'd be having so much fun with it. Remember when Friends came out, and Inkigayo and type 1 and all these things this year... Maybe it's because I'm not hugely on twitter but we seemed to have so much fun with theorising and joking about and whatnot. But even if that's just my inaccurate reading of events, I know personally that my first thought upon getting a TKK moment isn't to go find the nearest JKKr and throw it at them. I tend to want to seek out other TKKrs to be silly and happy about it with. That's why I started a tumblr! I wanted to share my excitement.

So I don't know why 8 weeks of the travel show they've been talking about since Suchwita has brought out such bitterness when they call it a win (But then to be honest I never saw a jikooker talk about it with excitement, only in the context of how it was a victory over tkkrs or hypersexualised)

I wish they would just have fun with it and enjoy it. At this point, I genuinely feel like there are TKKrs more excited to see JK&JM interacting than the JKKrs are?!

Thanks anon! 💜

[stupendousfoxthing]

I want to share a post making the rounds that made a lot of great points, but op dismisses the idea of any romantic relationships existing between any two members of the group in the replies. I will never be down with the "no ships are real" crowd because I can't think of a single valid (non-homophobic) reason to think a romance between two men is impossible. A romantic relationship between two people who met when they were young, worked and lived together for the better part of a decade, and enjoyed each other's company so much that when given the opportunity to build lives separate from that work STILL chose each other makes more sense than a lot of other things people will accept as perfectly reasonable (if it's a man and a woman of course). But the homophobia is just one layer to their dismissal, and the post hit on several others. There are so many layers to the shitty way this fandom treats Taekook and Taekookers. The video I shared earlier from an anon tells it like it is. Taekookers are not delusional to believe it's possible there is something there. No matter what antis would like you to believe, they are not literally brothers. Saying they are brothers is literally delusional (believing something is true when there is evidence to the contrary). There is a pattern of suspicious behavior going back years and only intensifying during solo era. I've talked about this before, but during the frenzy over the Dream premiere last year I saw something I thought was funny. I saw two people on Twitter talking about it, talking about Taekook fondly, and saying they felt like it had been a million years since they had seen them together. I realized then that they had no idea about all of the things that had happened with Taekook in the months prior to that. I started to wonder if we get called delusional just because people really do only pay attention to what is laid out in front of them, mostly in official content. Like...yeah, we probably do look delusional if you don't know about 95% of the things that have happened. This would tie back into how the fandom sees Tae as well, and why he is treated like an outsider. If you've been in the fandom for a while, you know how people who go against the company narrative in any way are treated. Tae does go against that narrative. He has talked about the more negative aspects of their position openly more than any other member. Why was he allowed to hint that things aren't all rosy between him and the company in the recent documentary? Look at how the fandom treats those who go against the company, and you will know. Taekook as a ship has a unique ability to create a perfect storm of animosity in this particular fandom that literally has training materials and guidelines written up for "baby ARMY". Layers. Homophobia. Company loyalty over everything. The spoon-fed narratives. The "outsider" and the "privileged" one dating? But they're awkward brothers... Taekookers get treated like monsters, no other group even comes close and it isn't because we're "shippers". I see evidence of that everyday. Other ships/shippers within the group have a free pass to do whatever they want. The fandom loves Namkook, for instance. You can openly romanticize/sexualize them and the fandom eats it up. Tons of people showed their ass with Tae/IU as well. It's not shipping that bothers them. It's Taekook. Taekook challenges what they've been led to believe. Taekookers shine a light on it and celebrate it. That's what pisses people off, and I do believe that when they actually look at Taekook they see it too. We bring something that makes them uncomfortable to their attention, something they'd rather not see or acknowledge. When a Taekook "moment" happens and we haven't even said anything yet but people are already bitching about the fact they can't enjoy it because they know Taekookers will be happy and celebrating? It's not us. It's Taekook as a pair that bothers them.

[cocamalfeta]

I was already on my way out of Taekook fandom but

having recently uncovered by chance @esthariv’s posts and theories, I find myself coming back to all this again. And writing about this is better than just scrolling so here I come (again).

I was thinking it would be helpful (for me) to discern the supposedly “romantic or even sexual nature” of some of the older Jikook clips I stumbled upon when I first entered this ship fandom. Btw I blame Jungkook’s Weverse lives from last year for landing into Jikook. Total promotion effort, in hindsight, yes?  

Anyway, after watching the actual context of  several Jikook’s scenes, especially those deemed as “romantic” and “steamy”, I generally found those scenes are more like Jungkook teasing Jimin in a friendly way, but not romantic. However –I won’t lie--, doubts remained on other situations . Here's one instance of a highly suspicious scene -- Jimin sneakily caressing Jungkook’s crotch in this interview by Liam MacEwan from early June, 2017.

While doing some research, I found that before the interview took place, there was a rather typical jealousy scene involving Taehyung -–even if this scene lasted about a few secs. you can see how Jungkook’s smile slowly faded way. At 1;26 Tae touched Liam’s hair and complimented him, several times – and as fans know Jungkook used to get jealous at the drop of a hat.  

But to be perfectly honest, in the proper Liam McEwan interview, the Jikook scene was a bit harder to judge, in relation to the previous hair moment. Besides, the interview is edited, full of cuts and change of shots, and the camera zooms in and out several times.

The Jimin “steamy” part begins at 3:50. He folds his arms at his back and you see the change in his expression – it becomes I don’t know how to put this, super serious, like frozen.  Here at 4,01 Jk’s tongue thing (which as we know it’s a hint of being stressed or anxious).  

I’d say that Jimin did what he did on the spur of the moment, because it dawned on him, that he could do this without getting noticed. He only had to lower his hands a bit more –and just look at their expressions, full of tension. Jungkook face became smug.  

Then Jimin swallows, and the camera shows the rest of members, and lingers a moment on Taehyung.  

 I think Taes watching them here, but impossible to know for sure.  

But --but I’m sure he’s been checking on them for the whole interview. Here comes the difficult thing. I re-watched the previous minutes; it seems to me Tae tried visual contact, but Jungkook ignored him several times.  

-At 1,20 Tae seems thoughtful, maybe feeling regrets. Jungkook is meanwhile, hovering behind Jimin, not touching 

-- At 2.02 Tae is looking at Jungkook, very intently, Jungkook makes a blocking gesture with his hand over his face, averts eyes. I think Tae understand this rejection as he pressed his lips, disappointed. They made visual contact at 2,15 (Namjoon is addressing Jungkook) and again Jungkook avert his eyes. At 2,20 Jungkook looks at Tae again, as the interviewer addresses Tae. Then Jungkook makes an interesting gesture and twists his mouth while nodding. Tae smiles --whatever

--After more cuts, at 3 min Taekook look serious again, Jungkook is tight-lipped and Tae is shown with his arms crossed and he sighs –he tries to protect himself, clearly not happy, they don’t look at each other and you can sense Jungkook’s tension. I think Tae being the only one clapping at sth  hints at him being a bit anxious too and not really knowing what to do and then he lowers his eyes –another sign that he feels like he’s being scolded or having guilty feelings.  

-- Then after this there came the steamy scene, Jungkook’s expression turning super smug, and he even looked at the camera as it challenging it.  

The above description was a bit rushed and may serve more as to convey a general feeling on the scene. It could be wrong etc.

Now, for interpretations.

You could say this means Jikook have something more going on, or it’s just a random thing, totally inconsequential action which Jimin just did because maybe he wanted excitement --it was an exciting thing to do in front of cameras. As for Taekook supporters, they shouldn’t just turn a blind eye on things like this. There should be ever an open option to discuss things like this.

A good starting point would be to consider it in a broader context. This American interview happened around the same time as Festa 2017 (I don't know now which was filmed first), where, at the very least, Jimin was fully aware of what was happening between the Taekook, as he even tried to make Tae stop the flirting.  

The Festa party with Taekook was a huge thing for me personally, and an eye opening for many other non-shippers, non-believers too. You can watch an expert of body language (non-BTS fan) analysing it in full detail with very good English subtitles here. Or you can check an analysis by a fan with deep knowledge on body language and even a fan reaction to this fan analysis. I suggest looking at the comment section too --highly entertaining!

So this tells me --what is this thing telling me? That Taekook bond was way stronger and something that was beyond Jimin's reach. It was and It's, still something very powerful.

Whatever happened at the Liam McEwan interview Jimin likely did something similar to what he tried to do in the Festa thing, likely he was trying to soothe things down with Jungkook or just providing him with some inmediate or temporary distraction or some added attention as Jungkook was feeling restless. Maybe. Something along these lines.

What Taekookers feel about this scene? I know you don't want to talk but you should.

[mrs-monaghan]

I was looking through tkk blogs to see what they were saying about Jimin’s death threats and their role in it—unsurprisingly nothing, and I saw you in the replies and just wanted to say, they don’t have receipts because they don’t exist. Their entire ship is built on slow-mo edits and conspiracy theories.

I do wish some jkkrs would realize they’re starting to think and move like the cult. That blog seemed more rational and reasonable than I’ve seen a tkkr be before, and harassing them isn’t doing anyone any favors. No jkkr is ever going to convince a tkkr of anything in the same way that a tkkr can’t convert a jkkr. That blog at least thinks jk and jm are friends… and wow the bar is on the floor isn’t it? I am surprised that blog is so popular though because they don’t seem to say much of anything. They agree when tkkrs send them asks and then give vague non answers with no receipts for any other ask, but I guess they’re used to that sort of thing. The one time I saw them trying to show receipts it was from an account named KookV FANTASY FICTION 😂

I did not harrass them. I do not harass people. I just made a statement. Like u said, this person seemed pretty level headed so yeah, I replied. You don't come across a sane tkkr everyday so that's why I was confused by their post. Because all I have to do is swap Taekook for Jikook and I can find all the moments they described.... with receipts! 😅

There is something you said thou that stands out to me.

No jkkr is ever going to convince a tkkr of anything in the same way that a tkkr can't convert a jkkr.

Anon, I disagree. If a tkkr showed me legit questionable moments I would listen. If we didn't have HD photos of the Taennie Paris drama I would listen. But as it stands everything they say makes tkk real can be found with V and the wooga squad, can be found with V and other members, with JK and other members. There is not one single "sus" tkk thing that applies to only them.

So yeah, a tkkr would never make me stop believing in Jikook... but Jikook would make me stop believing in Jikook. What happened with V is NEVER going to happen with Jikook. There is not leaked photos or videos (legit ones) that exist of Jimin and JK with other men or women. I personally don't think they have ever broken up so I believe this to be fact. From 2013 when we met them till now November 2023, there is nothing of substance out there that suggests Jimin or JK are or have ever been with other people.

Idk about the future but now, in this moment, I can confidently say this.

But,

If in future they broke up and stopped... well Jikooking, I guarantee you Jikookers would stop "shipping" them. Me included. We don't support Jikook to be stubborn. We believe in them because they remind us of our own rlships or rlships of people we know about.

I discovered BTS and then gravitated towards the two members who screamed "we suck each other's dicks!" to me. This is the story of 90% of Jokers. If it was RM and Jin who acted the way Jikook do, this would be a Namjin blog. If it was Jhope and V doing and saying the things Jikook do, this would be a Vhope blog. Because I am an Army and I watched alot of content with all 7 and Jikook just happened to be the sus ones.

Heck, if Tkk were any bit suspicious to me, i would be a tkkr too!

But alas! That's not the case.

Anon I disagree because majority of Jikookers have reason. We are smart, we did the math. When we get debunked we accept. When we get corrected by the Koreans, we accept. We admit when we are wrong and the survival of our ship doesn't depend on getting rid of V. Most importantly we don't make up anything just so our ship can keep sailing.

GCF Saipan who???

We are here because among all 7 members it was Jikook who looked like they had something going on. You will find Suga biased Jkkrs, Jhope biased Jkkrs, Jin biased Jkkrs, etc. If I thought tkk were real, I would support them despite Jimin being my bias. THAT, anon is the difference between us and them. Not what you think.

Oh. This is the post anon and I are talking about. Please no hate to the blog. He/she seems like good people.

Like @magicshop-pjm1 likes to say; thanks for attending my TED talk

[kanmom51]

Hi Kanmom,

I have a theory I would like your take on. Of course as a theory, it’s my opinion, yet I rarely see any Jikook blogs or obviously Army blogs speak to, actually I see most Jikook blogs vehemently deny the notion.

My opinion is that the Tae kook ship acts as a protection for Jikook. (I know you must be tired of hearing of taekookers)

Here is the moment that made me have this opinion solidified, well enough that I have it in my head as a theory.

In the infamous New Jersey Live. I remember watching it for the first time after seeing an analysis video that someone was in the room.

Anyway, like I always do I watch OG content and noticed something strange, which was Tae’s actions.

He came in the room, for the first time to me as a viewer, considering he didn’t know who’s room it was.

Anyways, fast forward someone speaks in the background and Tae in turn says “Weren’t we sharing the same room?” to JK.

Of all questionable Jikook moments this is the one that has me like ?????? and it isn’t even Jikook lol.

But then I thought about it from Tae’s perspective.

He clearly knows JK whispering to someone in the bathroom(fact). And, honestly like a good friend, he tries to cover it up (my opinion).

What I find interesting is that his way of kinda “not revealing” the secret or divert attention is by drawing attention to him and JK. That’s interesting, and I don’t understand why there is no thoughts on that.

My opinion is that Tae maybe was trying to normalize the behavior, and he thought well if I say we’re sharing a room, then ppl will focus on that instead of the secret rendezvous in the bathroom.

Which leads me to a bigger theory: Taekook normalizes Jikook.(totally my opinion)

imagine Jikook being a strong force, imo taekook is a strong force in the opposite direction.

I think if taekook wasn’t around, Jikook would stand out like a sore thumb. There are the first to negate even the most obvious Jikook moments. In my baby army stage even when every logical part of my brain was screaming there’s something up with these two, I watched taekook videos to shut it down. Like oh it’s just shipping, and move on.

I mean no one wants to even acknowledge the notion taekook acts a diversion for Jikook why? “If taekookers say this. Then I can’t think like this cause tkkers are crazy”

My point ^. The presence of tkkers make Jkkers so insecure all of a sudden they forget Jimin bit JK’s neck and JK sucked his ears.

Anyone feeling like Jikook could be real? Lemme just watch a Taekook video to remind myself I’m just a delulu shipper like them. Hence why I think RM said film a video with Tae after JKs very sis GCF in Tokyo.

Anyway, it’s clear as day to me when vminkook are together. Take the ppyong live. JK came in and the atmosphere changed. JK does a very imo bf thing and moves Hobi to sit next to jimin, then you know it’s all over.

All of a sudden they are kekekeing in a corner and what is Tae’s response? “JK didn’t you and I do boxing something like that”

Which wasn’t true as they said in the same live “lying is his charm” JK just shut it down,

I think Tae is “protecting” them in the best way he knows how, by absolutely trolling the hell out of army.

I think if Jikook accidentally kissed on stage. Hobi would freeze, namjoon would die, yoongi would stare, Jin look away and Tae would just kiss Jk or Jimin to even it out and divert attention lol. Either that or smile idk.

I think that’s his way of protecting them and now that he’s possibly in a relationship, maybe protect himself.

My 2 cents.

@jacha101 I hear you. I do.

I even want to say that in the past I thought it to be somewhat of a possibility. And not in the TKKs sick way of thinking that one queer relationship is showcased (JKK) to protect the second queer relationship (TKK), but more like Tae inserting himself into the mix to balance out the JKK interaction (like putting them on the same level so their interaction doesn't seem too suspicious). More like showing "we're all friends here, nothing queer going on..."

I thought it might be a possibility, even as close back as late 2021 (and only on certain occasions, because on other occasions it was as clear as day that Tae was there to troll them, as in to get in their faces and piss them off, lol).

I have also seen moments where Tae will be gatekeeping Jikook, but I don't think it was in a sense of pushing TKK, but more nudging the two out of a moment.

This one I'm not sure if is policing or trolling, lol.

And if we are talking about trolling...

There are so many more examples of Tae 'inserting' himself or policing Jikook or trolling them, whatever the reason may be.

In any case, unlike you, I don't think that TKK as a ship was ever there to protect JM or JK.

Ok, I think I have to start from the beginning here though.

Shipping two people together does not necessarily mean you see them as a couple. It is a slippery slope and many do ship that way, but as a whole a ship can mean you like the connection between two people, and it can be a totally platonic one at that. Many Vminers are not about Vmin being a couple, and more about their close friendship (although there are those that still live in a dream that it has even been more than that).

So, when we talk about TKK as a ship, if we were talking about normal human beings and not a fucking cult, they could totally be perceived as a cute ship, AS FRIENDS, partners in crime (in the past), and more recently too (bowling buddies, gaming buddies, not going live buddies, cause that was just way too awkward).

If this fandom was constituted from mentally stable people, indeed I could maybe say that at times TKK as a ship can even out the JKK interactions and be used by them to balance things out a little and take the attention off JKK and their very suspicious interactions. Although, while writing those lines I can't help but think to myself that Jikook's chemistry and closeness cannot be compared to TKK's. They are just not the same, no matter which what way you look at them. If you are a person with common sense and life experience (including a basic level of emotional intelligence) you can see there is clearly a difference between the two couplings.

But in any case, you and I know that is not the case. This fandom is flawed, no secret there.

And we also know that the members and company know exactly who TKKs are and what they do and are capable of.

The vile hate JM gets from them is not an unknown. The harassment of whoever shows some sort of closeness or support for Jikook is also not an unknown. Their verbally violent behavior towards anyone who does not fall in line, and that includes JKKs (I'd say that is inconsequential to the company), people that may have interacted with Tae or JK or the two (including different brands or professionals) or even total strangers that they deem relevant to their sick fantasy about JK and Tae. All known to the members and to the company.

I really don't see JK nor Tae going to the lengths of promoting TKK as a ship to hide JKK knowing what they do about the consequences of pushing this ship.

That, by all means, does not mean the two will not interact and showcase their friendship. But JK, for one, has been trying for some time now to make sure the line in the sand is clear, that it's friendship and no more. Tae does not tread as carefully as JK does.

I'll go back to my initial statement. I do think that at times Tae pushed the TKK to 'change the subject' if you may. Or as you put it, take the attention off the Jikook elephant in the room. But many a times it's just Tae being Tae. Trolling both JM and JK and Army at the same time.

I kind of think at times that Tae is an anarchist at heart, lol. Or more so an agent of chaos. He loves to throw the stones and just see where they fall. He'll do it with JM ("I think JM likes men"), he'll do it with JK (take that NJ live and him unwilling to leave all while JK is doing everything possible for him to leave other than say "get the fuck out already"), he'll do it with Jikook ("JM is hanging out with JK") and he does it constantly with army, and I'd say even more so with TKKs. And here comes into work his lack of care as to the consequences of riling them up. I kind of think he, and I'm going to be careful with my wording here, doesn't care for big parts of this fandom (cough TKKs cough), and definitley doesn't think much of them.

If Tae was doing this out of the kindness of his heart or wanting to protect Jikook as a couple or JM and JK as individuals, if that was his objective, then he wouldn't, for instance, post a Jikook photo for Hobi's birthday, for example.

One thing I want to add here.

If TKK were being used to nullify JKK why is it that JK is constantly continuously doing things to show us that Jikook are more than friends? If JK himself wants to show us they are closer, they are just MORE, why would the whole TKK ship be used to nullify that? JK sucked on JM's ear in front of 10s of thousands of fans, knowing he's also being filmed. He wanted us all to see it. JK signed "I love you" to JM at the TMA's, knowing everyone saw it. JK tattooed the J over the M on his ring finger. JK outright said "I love you" to JM for all of us to hear it during the LV tour, and so much more. They have both done so much more to showcase their relationship. They don't want to be balanced out. And even more so knowing what they know about TKKs. JK doesn't want to be thought of as Tae's boyfriend, not when he's going out of his way to show what JM is to him.

At the end of the day, I do get what you're saying, but I don't think that JK nor Tae, nor JM for that matter, are people that would play along with this kind of game.

Ships are a thing, there is no escape from that. And the members know it. I mean they themselves have thrown around ship names once in a while. They are aware of the ships, they are aware of the shippers. Tae doesn't have to go live for 3 minutes, mention JK's name and leave for TKKs to be TKKs. If you get my drift. He didn't do that to balance out some kind of Jikook interaction.

Pretty much since the Busan concert we had close to no Jikook interactions. We got a few Run BTS episodes, which were mostly filmed before the concert. They themselves, until JK's Feb lives, were in radio silence. And once they became loud it was of their own accord, they wanted to be loud. They wanted to show us stuff. They didn't want or need Tae to balance out whatever we were getting from them (and all of this happening without even seeing them in the same frame). Tae showing up in JK's Feb live and the IG TKK live, all those happened during that radio silence period. During a time where the rejoicing sounds of "Jikook are over" were ever so loud. There was no need to push TKK to balance out non existent interactions or suspicions (cause they just weren't there at that point).

What I'm saying here is that Tae is doing whatever he's doing, not to balance out JKK.

And for those that will be coming at me, I'm not saying he did it necessarily to push TKK.

I'm saying he didn't do it to balance out JKK.

His reasons are his, whatever they may be. And there could be a plethora of them: he was bored, he wanted to do the live with a friend, he feels awkward doing the live alone and doing it with JK was a good way of being in touch with army all while not having all the attention on himself, etc.

I will end by saying that they all do love each other dearly. They have over 10 years of together, and although there might be ups and downs in their relationships, they do care greatly for each other and are good friends. Said care/love/friendship is showcased in their interactions with each other. Mostly good, at times not so much (we obviously do not get to see the full picture, and the big fights or blow ups we won't be privy to too much, I mean we just discovered from JK, and still not getting the whole story, that the dumpling fight was way bigger than what we were told for years). JK and Tae are good friends. Mates. And we will be getting a lot of them in the near future, mainly because the others won't be around soon. We need to overcome our adversity to TKKs and remember that this is about TKK, their bond, their friendship, not their shippers.

Karmy know how to enjoy their interactions. We need to be able to create a disconnect between the cult and these two people. They are friends, they interact, they most likely will be supporting each other through their solo debuts. It's about them and us supporting them. Not about demented fans that don't know boundaries or lack common sense. And we also need to remember that both JK and Tae have zero control over these fans, their behavior or actions.

Let's enjoy what they give us before they leave us.

[kookiecrush]

do you think it’s possible that bighit noticed that tkkrs were getting more invested in tae and jk’s relationship being romantic bc we thought they were being cut/hidden so they decided to just use that as a strategy to keep us invested even though there might not actually be anything to cover up. like there have been quite a few times where they’ve posted something tkk related like a picture/video that had tkk being cuddly or something and then quickly deleted it. for example that coffee ad they did where i think tae had his hand over jk’s on the counter. they posted it and then deleted it. and that’s happened more than once. i feel like they could be doing that on purpose to draw tkkrs attention to it and make us think they’re trying to hide it when in reality they’re not. bc i don’t rlly get why they’d post it in the first place then. like maybe they know that tkkrs make up a big chunk of the fandom and a lot of us r only here bc of tkk so they want to keep us invested in the story so as not to lose us. they know we notice these things and it only makes it more sus than if they were to just leave it.

No, not really, anon. That sounds like a whole lot of effort for no reason because it would be far more profitable for BH to actually take advantage of taekook's popularity and capitalise on their ship.

And I don't even think taekookers make up a big chunk of the fandom, but maybe I'm wrong. I think it's just that shippers are the loudest and most active online, and taekook is the most popular ship. In reality, we probably only make up a small part of the fandom, and the percentage of taekookers who actually think taekook are in a relationship is even smaller. So I'm sure BH have better things to do than come with strategies to keep us interested.

And let's not forget that BH cutting taekook moments is just one piece of the taekook puzzle. There's still all of the off camera moments, their interactions online, interviews, private dates, award show fancams, etc. There's so many other suspicious things about taekook that if BH were actually trying to keep taekookers invested, they wouldn't even need to do anything 🤷‍♀️

The coffee ad wasn't even BH, so there's not much to say about that. BH could have had something to do with it being deleted, but that's probably because they didn't want the attention on taekook. Things like that probably slip through the cracks every now and then and they don't realise until after the content has already been posted. If something gets deleted, it doesn't mean it was a calculated move. Maybe they just forgot to remove something they didn't want people to see?

[irishhorse-blog]

"jikook can't be a couple because they behave too much like one, when they're supposed to be hiding" no they're not??? they aren't obligated to hide, and they aren't behaving too much like a couple, they're doing just enough to insinuate that they are without explicitly saying it.

"we don't see taekook acting like a couple bc they keep that behaviour for when there's no cameras" and how would YOU know? are you a fly on the walls of their houses?? tkkrs reasons to ship tk is based on assumptions that there's more to them happening beyond what they let us see. while our reasons to ship jikook is that they actually behave like a couple without explicitly saying it, which leaves room for deniability, that tkkrs love to take advantage of.

jikook are being themselves and it's up to each individual to choose if they wanna see things for how they are or if they're gonna deny it to hell and make 162837292 theories that debunks jikook's bond and the way it looks.

tkkrs think it makes more sense to tell someone "i know jikook act like a couple, but let me tell you 100 theories that explain why they aren't one" and "ik taekook seem more tame and never do anything that shows they're a couple, but let me tell you 100 theories explaining why their seemingly platonic skinship is actually more than that but they're just hiding it. i have no actual proof that they do more behind the scenes but dude trust me"

one gotta make up a thousand theories to make taekook make sense when jikook makes sense just upon initial observation. you watch any jikook compilation and you'll find the editors (for the most part) not interfering with the moment and just letting you see it for how it is, and it always MAKES SENSE, for those who aren't willfully blind of course.

while watching any taekook compilation will give you moments that never stand out as something suspicious or beyond friendship levels, but the editors always gotta put in their two cents on what they BELIEVE is going on at that moment, treating it as a fact and acting like they're inside taekook's heads.

you got jkkrs stating how jk sucked jm's ear while tkkrs theorize on why it's normal between friends. you got jkkrs stating that jm gave jk a hickey while tkkrs theorize on how it wasn't actually jimin who did it. you got jkkrs stating how jk edits his GCFs in a way that highlights jimin, especially during certain lyrics or filters, while tkkrs downplay jk's intelligence in effort to debunk any special meanings related to jm. you got jkkrs stating how jk gives jm special treatment on his weverse lives and how jimin is the only member jk streams all his releases, watches compilations of, keeps up with his interviews/performances/MVs, but tkkrs are theorizing on why jimin isn't actually special to jungkook even if he's on live giggling kicking his feet to jimin videos, jungkook's special person however is one that jungkook never does the same for.

it's actually crazy how many hoops they gotta jump through to convince themselves that taekook is real when all they're doing is basing their beliefs on theories from fans who know as much as we do. it's crazy to me that tkkrs would rather be confused every time jk or tae do something and try to explain how it fits in the grand theme of taekook's storyline no matter how confusing and out of place it seems, when being a jikooker is much easier because jikook are very consistent and direct and it doesn't take fan theories to realize what's going on between them.

jk only watches jm content on live? jm must special then. see? easy.

jungkook made a GCF for jimin with queer coded lyrics? damn, they might be dating.

jimin gave jungkook a hickey?? TWICE??? they must make out/fuck.

jimin wasn't fazed when jungkook sucked his sweaty ear on stage? he must do that a lot.

jikook spend their birthdays together? they must really love each other.

jungkook went live for hours on White Day? a couple holiday in Korea? his partner must've been out of town then

jungkook speaks informally to jimin and jimin only? they must consider each other as equals then

jikook wore matching clothes on valentine's day? and they watched the first snow together (a couple's tradition in korea)? they must be a couple then.

jikook flirt constantly? jungkook especially doesn't flirt with anyone except/as much he flirts with jimin? they must be attracted to each other then.

jungkook's body is always unconsciously pointing towards jimin? he's obviously interested in jimin then.

IT'S SOOOO EASY!! WITH JIKOOK EVERYTHING IS ALWAYS SO EASY. i don't get why people willingly torture themselves by trying to disprove them??? do you hate the idea of them possibly being together that much??? if so then you need to ask yourself why, and QUICKLY.

613% agree.

I don't understand why they put themselves through all the logical gymnastics. They're gonna sprain something.

[dearweirdme]

Speaking of Dream Premiere:

Jungkook's smile when Tae held his hand. It's all you need to see to understand that he isn't opposed to how much Tae shares about him/them. In fact, his smile tells me he wants it too. His natural reaction was to be bashful instead of retreating or taking his hand away. Perhaps, he even wanted to be held til the stage with the way his pinky searched for Tae's hand after Tae let go. Jungkook is proud. Give him FULL freedom and I'm pretty sure he will set this world on fire LOL.. oh, we actually had this moment initiated by him: him singing "So what?!" while holding Tae's hand. To anyone who thinks he is gonna be mad at Tae for sharing photos of them or talking about them, just remember his smile and "So what?" 😉

PS. Did I just psychoanalyzed JK's smile? Yes, yes I did. See, here's the thing: VISCERAL REACTIONS tend to be very very subtle but are the loudest once you catch them. You can't act it out, it's your body's initial response and there's no way you can control them. TaeKook exhibits a LOOOT of suspicious visceral reactions. Pay attention😉

Hi anon!

So, I agree! There is no doubt in my mind that, like Tae, Jk is also very proud and happy to be together. I think it's rational thinking and practical reasons that keep them from being open (actual contractual clauses probably, but also a personal wish for privacy and safety), but I have no doubt, that if they were able to do so safely they would be showing each other off.

I've often mention that it is somewhat hard to describe exactly what it is that make Jk and Tae stand out. And the reason is that a huge part of it has to do with the way they respond to each other. Those physical reactions you speak of are a part of that. Micro expressions as well. It's the automatic responses they have towards each other. Things like that cannot be edited away completely. You can try to avoid having a reaction, but you have to be prepared and when you are not... things just keeping shining through the mask.

We can actually see them hide those automatic responses often. It's the way Jk often looks down when it comes to Tae, it's biting away smiles, it's going in for a touch but stopping midway. But also very often they don't hide it. It's how Jk's eyes soften, how their voices change, the way they move to stand closer, the way they always do sit closer than others. So yeah.. very good observation!!

[pjmsneverland]

Said Dearest

Warnings: minors dni (mention of drugs, high!jk, Jiminxreader (they’re dating), taekook, fluff, drugdealer!Tae (if I missed anything let me know). Wc: 4.1k

The weather is rainy and cold. The time changes, shifting your biological clock while you drag through work, school, and your social life; too busy to even acknowledge your birthday creeping up on you. It feels like you are carrying a weight on your shoulders each morning; a guilt you couldn’t shake even if it wasn’t yours to keep. Your boyfriend is not sparing you the festivities as he’s mentioning your special day at every possible moment which was nice. The last time your birthday had been this exciting was when you were turning thirteen.

“You okay?” Jimin would ask while holding you in his arms while a movie played on the screen.

“Yeah, just tired is all.” You sigh.

He leaves it there not wanting to prod or ruin the moment of peace, memorizing his plans for the following day when he calls Jungkook while he goes over the guest list for your surprise party.

“Hello?”

“Clear your schedule, we are planning a party for Y/n.”

The younger boy looks away from his computer screen, taking the phone off of speaker to press it to his ear with a stoned face.

“Does she know?”

“Now where’s the fun in that? Are you gonna help me be a good boyfriend or not?”

Sure he knew you two went out on a date last he heard but he was not aware of how far well you two were getting along and hearing it from him causes a pang of betrayal to surface in his chest. He pushes it aside remembering that his friend is on the line waiting for an answer.

He clears his throat “Totally. What’s the plan?”

-

You trudge up the stairs exhausted from the long day at work but you keep in your mind that the weekend is here for comfort.

Your phone is squished in the pocket of your purse knowing that looking at the screen will send you into a spiral; even with your birthday near you felt not an ounce of strength in you to acknowledge it nevermind celebrate it.

Pushing the key into your lock you push the door open and shut the door before laying on the floor of your apartment feeling exhaustion take over your whole body. Letting your mind wander, you think about Jungkook and the last encounter you had with him a month ago. You imagine he’s planning a party tonight with the week end rolling in and all or maybe he’s planning on saving himself the cleanup and visiting a club to blackout in instead.

Your eyes shut as you groan at the feeling of a resurfacing headache as you attempt to coax yourself to relax and rid the thought from your psyche. Vibrations from your phone have you perking up to rummage through your bag to lazily tap the green button without looking at the name.

“Hello.”

“Hey beautiful.”

Your mood smoothes over immediately at the sound of Jimin’s voice coming through the speakers as you prop yourself up so you’re able to sound like you weren’t on the verge of passing out on your apartment floor.

“Hey.”

“Can you get pretty for me in say thirty minutes?”

Your head tilts in confusion.

“What are you planning, Park?” You stand up from your previous spot on the floor and trail over to your boudoir.

He laughs in response to your suspicious tone.

“I left you something in your closet a few days ago so put that on and I’ll be by to pick you up when you’re done. How’s that sound?”

Unable to deny the man’s charms, you agree with a slow nod as you begin to strip yourself of clothing before realizing he can’t see you.

“Yeah. See you when you get here, honey.”

It takes you half an hour to shower and slip on the dress he left for you in the closet but you figure he’ll take his sweet time coming up the elevator to come get you as you spray at your hair and apply another layer of lip gloss not before spritzing a perfume Jimin gifted you a few weeks ago. He felt like a dream or a scene out of a movie. He seemed like he really did like you aside from the parts of you that every other boy wanted to indulge in and disappear. He was one of the only men you could truly be yourself in front of without the need of trying to hide the ugly parts of yourself like how you self-isolated to punish yourself for something you did wrong in your week or in that one month of last year. It was only ever like that with Jungkook. Pausing in your action of fixing your stockings you look up into the mirror with wide eyes at the thought of him and just then the door of your apartment clicks open. Taps of Jimin’s heeled dress shoes letting his presence be known.

He stands at your bedroom door and smiles at you as you step into your heels. Eyes still on you as he remains wordless in his observing of your form.

“Is it what you imagined?”

His brow raises.

“You’re more than anything I could’ve ever imagined darling.” He steps closer to you to rest his hand on your cheek as your heart soars in your chest and you fight to act unphased. It’s not fair that you like someone this much and you haven’t worked hard enough for someone to treat you this well.

“I meant the dress sweetie.” You tease, looking up into his eyes while laughing.

To deflect from your victory he goes in for a kiss that you accept. His touches are always so sweet with no traces of malice. He made loving you look like it wasn’t hard.

“You ready?” He asks slowly when he pulls away.

“Are you gonna tell me where we’re going?”

He shakes his head mischievously before taking you by the hand and walking you out of your apartment down to the car and opening the passengers door for you. It’s silent most of the car ride but his hand that is not busy steering the wheel lays on your thigh caressing the stocking clad skin gingerly as your excitement heightens at what he has planned for the night.

After what feels like ages he turns into a parking garage and makes turns until he reaches the top floor.

“Jimin, are you secretly planning to murder me?”

He chuckles as he backs into a parking slot.

“Now I should be asking you that.” He unbuckles his seatbelt and leans in to land a quick peck on your lips, giving you butterflies as you giggle wordlessly.

“Me? I’m harmless.”

He shakes his head, reaching into his back pocket to pull out what looks to be black silk cloth.

“Turn around.”

You obey his command, turning so he can tie a firm knot as he blindfolds you.

“There.” He says in accomplishment before you hear him step out of the car and run around to your side and take your hands to help you up. He shuts the car door behind you and you feel his hands hold onto your waist gently as he instructs you to step forward.

“What if I hit into something?” You panic.

“I’ve got you baby.” Jimin says, comforting you by caressing your waist as you get more comfortable to take bigger steps.

“Almost there babe, you’re doing good.” You take a few more steps forward, heels clacking with each step and your tummy flips in anticipation at what your beautiful boyfriend has planned for you.

“Okay beautiful. Stop right here.”

You come to a halt as you feel the silk material loosen from your eyes and it drops to show beautiful fairy lights hung to lay above the table as well as all your friends that shout a “Surprise!”

“Aww no! You didn’t have to-guys!” You spot your best girl friends you haven’t seen in a while smile widely at your teary eyed reaction.

The two taller girls run towards you and coddle you in a long hug as you back away to take in the sight of them.

“You guys look gorgeous oh my god!”

The night goes beautifully as you catch up with your friends and sip on champagne. Jimin periodically chimes in and your friends congratulate you on the new found relationship.

“So do you love him or?” Your friend, Sky, whispers as your heart drops to your ass at the question.

You ponder before you answer. Jimin is really sweet to you but he’s always been a nice guy even in terms of friendship but you didn’t want to rush into saying the word just yet.

“I really like him. He’s set all this up for my birthday. You know how I am about not doing anything for my birthday.”

Your friends nod, taking in the sight of you after not seeing you for so long.

“You know after everything I’m surprised you didn’t end up with Jungkook.”

“What? Did everyone know about that except for me?”

Sky and Paige spent all of high school watching the two of you go through the awkward stage of your friendship to what it is now. The parties, the granting of a key when you landed your first apartment which made them side eye you, but you saw it as a safety measure if anything.

Your friend, Paige, rolls her eyes.

“You can be a little oblivious, hon but hey Jimin’s a cutie and if he treats you right that’s great!”

You nod with a grin, thinking of their words before you hear Sky speak.

“Speak of the devil.”

You turn to see Jungkook decked out in a gray suit as earrings decorate his ears and his newly black strands are slicked black. The wind knocks out of you at the sight of him leaning down to look at you, the starry look in his eyes never falters when he flashes a smile at you.

“Hey pretty!” He beams, throwing a wink at you before peering over at you friends who greet him with a curt handshake.

“I’m gonna steal the birthday girl for a sec.” His hand is out for you to take and you slowly let your hand fall into his cautiously. He leads you away from the crowd and gives you a smile.

“You look amazing.”

The compliment makes the alarms in your head go off but you blush at his words nonetheless.

“Thanks for coming and thank you, that's sweet.”

Silence hangs in the air for a moment and you look away from his gaze to peer over at an excited Jimin who speaks to your friends.

“I wouldn’t miss it for anything.” His hand reaches over to put a strand of hair behind your ears. His touch leaves your skin burning in his presence. What is going on with you? Reaching into his suit pocket he pulls out a pink velvety box.

“Bought you a present. Saw you eyeing it at the mall a few times.”

“Jungkook, you didn’t-”

“-but I did. Always will when it comes to you.”

Opening the box promptly he pulls out the sparkly diamond bracelet that has the lightest tinge of pink on it as you spot a piece dangling from it.

“It’s your initial. May I?” He gestures toward your wrist, asking if he could clasp it on and you let him.

Tattooed digits carefully decorating your wrist with the diamonds.

You can’t help but wrap your arms around his neck in a hug.

“Thank you so much. I didn’t think you’d show up because I thought you were mad at me.” You ramble on. He can hear that you’re on the verge of tears by your shaky voice while his hand caresses your back.

“I’m not mad, dearest and fuck me if I was. It’s your birthday and all the other shit doesn’t matter.”

He’s trying his best to be respectful as a best friend who has feelings for you but he can’t help but feel like everything he says is coated in intimacy. There’s nothing you can do to scare him away. He’s going to be here to watch all the huge things that are going to happen for you. He knows friends drift apart but he won’t let it happen with you.

“Love you.” You whisper against his ear.

Jimin deserves better than a girl who has a weird attachment towards her best friend. It isn’t fair for him to do all this for you while you’re crying in another man's arms.

“I love you too. Always.”

He’s careful in the way he holds you. He’s not a bad person. He may not be perfect but he would never disrespect you and his friend’s relationship.

“Happy birthday, Dearest.”

You finally pull away and wipe your eyes.

“I wanna go take shots. Join me?”

“Yeah, I’m right behind you.”

The timing is perfect because as you walk out you see Sky and Jimin carrying over a huge cake with candles beautifully lit upon it. They set the cake down on the table and Jimin is quick to wrap his arms around you. Kissing your cheek and shoulder sweetly before everyone gathers around to sing happy birthday to you. Your best friend feels his stomach sink at the sight of you together. He’s never seen Jimin like that before with anyone else. Jungkook tries to let the happiness for you overshadow his jealousy. He’s a good friend. His behavior towards you has been puerile and he told himself after that last kiss that he would let the thought of ever having you shrivel up and die.

“….happy birthday to you.”

You lean over to blow your candles as you clap in glee. A smile that spreads out from ear to ear graces your face as your equally beautiful boyfriend brings his lips to yours and your group of friends look at the two of you in admiration, but all Jungkook feels manifesting in his chest is envy.

-

“Don’t be a pussy, Kim.” Jungkook teases as he sits in the section of the nightclub secluded from the crowd of people on the main floor. The crystals of white piles on the table are evident as each person takes turns consuming it in the way they like.

Taehyung smirks at Jungkook’s intoxicated state. The boy didn’t know when to stop and he didn’t think he would hear from him again after the last time he’d sold to him which according to Yoongi didn’t end well but who was he to deny the extra cash?

“I’ve had enough. After this line I’m calling you an Uber.”

The younger man rolls his eyes at this before passionately snorting another line, sighing at the burn in his nostrils as he leans back on the cushion of the sectional.

“Ugh you used to be fun!” Jungkook slurs, eyes squeezed shut as he feels the high approaching.

“Your friends aren’t gonna cuss me out over you anymore. Yoongi is gonna have my fuckin head if he sees you like this.”

Taehyung’s words bring the thought of you to his mind. How happy you looked at your birthday party a week ago and how good you and Jimin looked together.

“You know yn’s with Jimin now? They look good together!”

Taehyung glares at the boy. What a trope. Jungkook not getting the girl he fawns over is quite the opposite of what he was expecting but from what he had heard and observed about you when seeing you at all the parties the boy threw it made sense. The way you kept a close eye on him each time he looked like he was indulging a little too much while you nursed the same drink all night.

Yes, Jungkook dabbled in hard drugs but Taehyung thought he knew how to control himself. This was him coping with the fact that you found someone else and left him on the sideline to watch as a friend and only that.

Taehyung excuses himself and Jungkook from the section before walking him through the club to the exit where the vehicle waits for him.

“Go home and get some rest and call me when you wake up. Keep this up and I won’t sell a single fucking gram to you.”

Jungkook rolls his eyes and opens the door and climbs into the backseat, going to close the door when Taehyung grabs it.

“I mean it.”

“I heard you bro! Calm the fuck down.”

Taehyung nods and shuts the car door firmly, bidding the driver a goodnight before watching it speed away.

-

The Uber takes Jungkook home and the first thing he wants to do when he gets home is take himself to bed but he sees your house key dangling from his key hanger and before his further judgment can take over he’s pulling his shoes back on and trailing over to yours.

The walk doesn’t take long and before Jungkook knows it he’s staring at your door.

It’s 1am and there’s a chance you’re asleep so he doesn’t knock. He simply lets himself in with his key and closes your door behind him, kicking his shoes off before footsteps make him look up to see your groggy form staring back at him.

“Oh-hey Kook.”

The air knocks out of Jungkook at the sight of you in a sports bra, sweats and your pink satin bonnet.

He clears his throat. “H-hey.”

You tilt your head at his appearance, walking closer to get a better look at him. Your hands reach over to his face feeling how warm he is to the touch and the way his nose is red and his pupils are dilated. He leans down a bit to give your shorter form an easier time examining him until your tear your hands off of him.

“..and you’re high.”

“N-no I just really wanted to see you.”

Your brow quirks up at him as you cross your arms.

“So you’re not high?”

“I am but I wanted to see you.” Jungkook giggles toward the end of his rebuttal and you scoff, walking to your kitchen to fill up your water bottle. Jungkook crosses the threshold and leans on the counter behind you.

“The full story is I was at the club with Tae where I did said drugs and then he got me an Uber to mine, then when I got there I was like ‘I miss yn!’ so I walked over here.”

“You walked? That’s not safe-what if you blacked out in a random alleyway or something?” You turn to look up at him. Water bottle long forgotten as you slam it on the counter.

“But I didn’t, baby. I’m here.” He counters with a look of satisfaction coating his features.

“I won’t lecture you any longer. I just worry is all.”

Jungkook nods, looking at you intently. It’s like you get prettier every time he sees you. You’re a little pale from the winter but your skin looks so soft and your cheeks are so round and- God damn you Jimin.

“I know and I’m sorry for making you.”

“You know this relationship is so funny because I can’t get angry at you anymore. All I can do is tell you that you are actively participating in your downfall.”

Your words cause a pit in his stomach and he knows there’s nothing he can say that will make you wrong. He isn’t being smart with the way he is choosing to handle his life. He just knows he can feel you drifting with every lecture, word, and argument.

“I don’t want to bury my best friend cuz he overdosed on fentanyl.” You say it so quietly that he nearly misses it. You can’t look at him while you say it so you choose to look down at the tiled floor.

“Why do you keep doing this?” Your voice breaks and he knows you’re about to cry.

Fuck. No. That’s not what he came here for. He thought you’d be asleep and he’d only planned to black out on the couch. He knows why he’s doing this but he can’t tell you that or lie to your face.

“Is it because of me?” You finally meet his eyes desperate for the answer.

“I don’t want to lie to you.”

“So don’t.”

“I’m just a little jealous but I’ll get over it.” He grumbles.

Jimin’s good. He’s a safe pick and you both share similar qualities while also being polar opposites. He likes parties on the weekend, you’ll tag along but on the days you can help it you’d rather stay home or drive into the city for a movie. He brings out the extrovert in you and overall makes you happier. You enjoy parties if he’s around and the movie seems to have deeper meaning when he watches with you.

“Was it the party?”

“It was.”

You feel the guilt boiling in your core.

“So what do you want me to do?”

He laughs. “I can’t dictate your life because I have a crush on you.”

You want to tell him he’s been dictating it since the day he turned to drugs and started having parties every week instead of talking it out with a professional or getting help.

“Would it be any better if I liked you back?”

He’s stunned, shaking his head to make sure he heard you correctly.

“Would you still be snorting coke at 1am if I loved you back?”

“Don’t tease me with that question.”

“I’m genuinely curious because if that’s the case consider me and Jimin done.”

“B-but that’s not fair to Jimin-”

“We broke up.”

“But you two are perfect together-” He attempts to defend.

“-and yet you’ve got a key to my apartment and you got me a crazy expensive birthday gift and you kissed me on that floor right there a month ago.”

Your finger points at the floor in your living room.

“Jimin deserves better than someone who’s obviously hung up on their best friend.” You shake your head.

“You got what you wanted. You didn’t want me with him anyway.”

“All of that is true but what does that mean for us?”

“It means I give you a chance. We give us a really good try.”

Jungkook reaches out to touch you but you pull away.

“We start when you’re sober. Goodnight, Dearest.” You land a quick kiss on his cheek before walking over to your room and leaving Jungkook to situate himself on the couch.

-

Jungkook is knocked out on his back when he wakes up to the feeling of warmth on his head and a weight on his thighs. His heavy eyelids open to the sight of you caressing his face with the pad of your thumb.

“Morning-or afternoon really.” You chuckle.

“What-” he babbles at the sight of you on top of him.

You’re frivolous with the way you let your hands linger on him as you tilt your head as you observe his groggy face.

“You okay? Feeling sick?”

“No, I'm fine. Just-” He looks down at you straddling him as a way to articulate his feelings.

“Oh right-”

You go to move but he stops you with a hand on your thigh.

“Stay.”

He sits up with a groan, resting his large hands on your waist and resting his head on the swell of your chest as your automatic response is to put your hand on his head feeling the prickles of his undercut as you play with the tendrils atop his head. You are taken back to the night you told him you liked Jimin and it was there you realized his feelings towards you. It’s not like the thought of being with Jungkook never crossed your mind. He was your first real crush but he was also everybody else’s and you didn’t want to be a part of that rat race so you did the only thing you knew how to do.

Pivot and distract yourself. Perhaps you and Jungkook weren’t all that different.

“What are you thinking about?” He breaks the silence.

“How if you ever show up at my door coked up again I’m breaking up with you.”

Laughter rings through him at your comment, hands slithering down to your ass testing the waters that is you.

“You have my word, Dearest.” He says cutely.

And it makes you smile.

[peachjagiya]

Hey there, BABY ARMY! As someone who's been around since 2016, I've seen BTS and the fandom evolve in fascinating ways. Let me tell you about a period that really tested our strength – the Taekook roller coaster of 2019.

Back in the day, things were simpler. Sure, 2017 saw a bit of a "separation" from Bighit, with limited content beyond a single selca. But there were enough crumbs – dispatches, award show interactions, playful moments – to keep shippers satisfied.

Then came 2019. Now, this year was a doozy for a Taekook shipper like me. It felt like everything had changed. Gone were the candid behind-the-scenes interactions, replaced by a carefully curated public image. Interactions seemed superficial, almost choreographed. It was like Big Hit was desperate to rewrite the narrative. Remember the iconic Anpanman and DNA interactions? Gone. Replaced with a calculated push for another pairing. Dispatch, once notorious for dropping Taekook bombshells, started focusing on other pairings. Even their "I Love You" sign, a secret handshake of sorts, became a group thing

This strategy felt manipulative. It made me question everything. Were the boys still close? Was it all just a performance? The worst part? The awkwardness seeped into their on-stage interactions. Even Jungkook, usually so carefree, seemed hesitant around Taehyung.

Bighit, it seemed, was playing a clever game. They'd sprinkle in a few, heavily edited Taekook moments (diff anon have mentioned previously) while simultaneously hyping up another pairing. That's why in the eyes of general fandom those moments are nothing in front of other ship content. And no matter how we explain of taekook bond of that time it will always lack in their eyes. It felt like they were trying to downplay their bond, portraying them as just bandmates rather than close friends. This aggressive strategy took a toll, especially on Taehyung. The free spirit we knew seemed subdued. Their once-exclusive moments were now public knowledge, and they were forced to fabricate stories on camera.

My saving grace? Those rare moments when the facade crumbled. Taehyung's subtle eye contact at award shows, the way their bodies moved in sync, the now-legendary Vlive moment (May 2019) – these were testaments to their unbreakable bond.

Even with the restrictions, they tried to be close at concerts. This was further complicated by Jungkook's awkwardness – a sign even the general ARMY noticed. This is where Taehyung's infamous "Weverse imagination" comment comes in, but that's a story for another day.

A Turning Point:

Now, let's rewind a bit. Remember the disbandment rumors around 2017? Interestingly, 2018 saw a surge of previously unseen tk content in the form of Bangtan Bombs. My theory? Two things were at play: disbandment fears (with Taekook's relationship potentially a factor) and their contract renewal in May 2018. These cut scenes were a way to pacify the the members, especially Taekook.

However, things took a sharp turn after the renewal. Bighit's "ship-flopping" became more aggressive, butchering Taekook moments and shifting focus away from the hyung line. As RM himself admitted, without the pandemic, they might have disbanded again.

The Aftermath:

The #taekookisoverParty trend marked a shift. Taehyung started responding in English to avoid misinterpretations, and interactions resurfaced. This begs the question – if there was a genuine separation in 2019, how do we explain hotel room shares, the natural flow of their interactions now, and even their hug at the GDA 2020?

The forced public separation feels like a fabricated narrative. The whole SOOP conversation felt like a way for Bighit to avoid taking blame. Protecting the artists? Valid. But twisting the narrative to the point of misunderstanding artists, that's where I draw the line.

This turned from a "suspicious moment" to a rant, I apologize! But as someone who lived through this period, it stings to see new ARMYs offer neutral perspectives without acknowledging past events. It's crucial to understand history before forming opinions. Don't settle for a neutral perspective. Learn from the past. This scenario isn't just about a ship, it's about the power dynamics between artists, agencies, and the fandom caught in the middle. Remember, sometimes, the most captivating stories are the ones that lie beneath the surface. Also, this is just one interpretation amidst a sea of ARMYs. But hopefully, it sheds some light on the intricate web of emotions and narratives surrounding these two precious members.

I'm sorry for the text wall but m not usually an active user. Have been reading old blogs from a few days and saw a same perspective. I also saw one of your anon asking about taekook bond 2019-20. To the anon, here you go.

Thank you for this context! 💜

But as someone who lived through this period, it stings to see new ARMYs offer neutral perspectives without acknowledging past events.

Forgive me if I've misinterpreted this but is this directed at me? I try to stay in my lane as best I can. I've received criticism for having a decisive opinion as baby army too so maybe I do err on the side of trying to give a neutral read? I don't know.

Essentially, I'm aware of all the stuff you mentioned here but don't have the context of watching it real time. Apologies if my opinion ever reflects that in a way that upsets you.

Thank you again for context. It's really good to read it this way. 💜

[stupendousfoxthing]

It's so annoying to me when I come across people who say that tkkers base their belief in taekook on edits and videos that overanalyze. Not saying that there aren't shippers like this but I know this is not the case for alot of tkkers I know and certainly not for me. I had no interest in shipping and theorising on band mates being in a secret relationship when I got into BTS. I just really loved their music and their story.

I noticed taekook while catching up on lives and binging BTS content trying to get to know the members more. I wasn't trying to ship any members, but I was picking up on things with taekook that made me side eye them ngl. The odd tension in lives, the hot and cold behaviour, being overly touchy and familiar with eachothers bodies and personal space while also sometimes acting like they don't know eachother. I tried to brush it off but the vibe they were giving off was like when you start noticing tension between two people in a friend group but nobody talks about it and it becomes the big elephant in the room, only to find out later they were secretly hooking up lol.

After awhile I felt like I had gotten a good grasp on all the friendships and dynamics within the group and yet taekook remained a big question mark to me and fandom discourse certainly didn't help at all. It's only then that I fell into the rabbit hole out of curiousity and most of what I learnt has solidified my suspicions about them. You really don't need analysis videos or shipping edits to notice them because the vibe they give off and the things they do, the way BigHit handled them, these things are enough to make you question. Remember when locals at 2020 Grammy's were asking if they were a couple? Yep, taekook give off boyfriend vibes and we all know it, even the naysayers know it deep down.😂

(Btw I love reading your thoughts, please post more 😭)

It doesn't annoy me when other people say that about Taekookers, because I know for a fact that's not what I base my belief on and I think a significant portion of people who say that are trying to convince themselves there's nothing between TK, we just really want there to be. A lot seem to believe that if they get rid of us Taekook's relationship will stop existing, whatever the nature of that relationship is. Personally I hate analysis videos. Like I said previously, when I first starting looking at Taekook those kinds of videos weren't very popular yet. The two big YouTube accounts I followed just posted compilation videos of moments with no analysis. That's all I need. There are so many moments that speak for themselves. I'll be screaming about the nape kiss until the end of time. I'm sorry but there's no way you're going to convince me there's anything platonic about that. Two recent moments I think about a lot are the Sweetheart shirts and Tae's live where we found out Jungkook always sings "To Find You" to him. Those are very loud and obvious imho. I don't need to analyze them. I've also in my own life accurately called these same "vibes" between plenty of people who ended up together. The tells aren't any different for same-sex couples, but some people will readily read romantic/sexual interest into every interaction between a man and a woman but dismiss way more sus moments between two men. I think there would be no question about Taekook for a lot of people if they were a het pair. I do remember the buzz around them at the Grammys. I was just recently thinking about reactions I saw on Twitter to the live where Tae played "Oh No Oh Yes" (where he intentionally "twin flamed" with Jungkook as an anon recently pointed out). That had some people questioning things. I remember seeing people talking back and forth in a thread about the lyrics and how they usually drag Taekookers but maybe we're onto something. 😂 I still think that some people who call us delusional just don't follow what happens between Taekook, because they were more suspicious than ever during solo era. Thank you for the message, sorry it took me a bit to get to answering ❤️

[juliapark13]

why you were happy to know that jikook usually had dates in the past and you used that as evidence of the ship but now that taekook hang out it means they're only friends? So when jikook hang out are a couple and when taekook hang out are friends right? You made fun of taekookers with the "privet" thing in the past but you're using the "privet" narrative for jikook...

People thinking like you are so painfully stupid. Just admit you don’t know anything about relationships or you want to find any excuse to dismiss jikook.

Jungkook and Jimin’s bond is so much different than any other duo’s. Only they did things other duos didn’t, only they did things which can be considered as more than friends behaviour and only they behave like a typical korean couple.

1. Jungkook did whole GCFT as a birthday gift for Jimin.

2. Rose Bowl. Jungkook did that in front of the 60k people.

3. Jungkook got a hickey from Jimin and he was very proud to show it.

4. Only Jimin was with Jungkook while he was getting medical help when only staff can be there.

5. Jimin flew from Paris to Korea for 15 hours only to be with Jungkook on his birthday. Also Jungkook in BV4 said he only saw Jimin and Jhope during their 2 months break.

6. Jungkook and Jimin were alone together at 4 a.m. on Jungkook’s birthday in 2020.

7. Only Jimin and Jhope were with Jungkook on his birthday in 2022.

8. Jungkook posted 1 minute thirst trap at 4 a.m. on Jimin’s birthday only for him.

9. They celebrated White day together.

10. The level of intimacy between them is quite insane.

11. The amount of suspicious moments is also insane.

12. Their emotional connection is stronger than other duo’s.

13. Their body language is very obvious.

The list can go on. On the other hand can you tell at least 1 thing which would imply Jungkook and Tae can be romantically involved? No you can’t. Moreover Tae has said get out of your imagination directly to tkkrs on weverse in front of everyone. Jungkook explained in ITS there was a distance between him and Tae for some time. If you don’t twist their own words and actions, you know there is 0% possibility they are more than friends, so of course when they hang out, they hang out as friends. Jikook possibly more than friends and taekook friends isn’t based on hanging out.

Also when you consider 2019 business gay performance emails, constant hate and recent situation, why wouldn’t they want to be private? Tk ‘privet’ thing was totally different and yes, it was laughable and it was only made up narrative out of desperation.

[chevelleneech]

https://www.tumblr.com/chevelleneech/761101155179937792/made-the-mistake-of-checking-the-comments-of-his?source=share

I actually can say that without knowing anything about a fandom. Cause all I need is common sense. I'm not taking about the mild comments. I described a specific scenario for a reason. I'm talking about those comments that are so devoid of basic logic that if anyone believes them, I'm sorry, but I'm gonna think they're a little stupid. Like, do you really need to have been a fan for years and know the members like the back of your hand to know that 'Company uses gay ship to hide other gay ship in homophobic country' makes no logical sense? And sometimes solely by the way someone writes you can't tell they're a little crazy.

I imagine you've read the type of comment that makes you think "How could anyone possibly believe this?" and that's the type of comment I'm referring to. And he's reacting to those comment like they're normal.

But ultimately, this doesn't really matter, he's just one of the hundreds of people on YouTube that react to BTS for views and change their opinion based on fans's reactions because that's who giving them those views. And if he actually falls for taekookers's lies, that's on him, he's not a kid and should fact check before believing things that already sounds suspicious.

Again, I understand where you’re coming from, but wanting someone with zero knowledge of how this fandom acts, who has already made it a point to say he won’t tolerate any shipping and toxicity, to have a reaction you find good enough, is unfair.

We know how toxic Tkkrs can get. We know how ridiculous the shit they say is, and I’d assume he is looking at it sideways as well, but you can’t decide he’s allowing it just because he wants views. Nothing about his reactions thus far imply that. Him liking contradictory comments, as you yourself pointed out, even proves that he hasn’t taken a side and is likely unaware of the full picture as he allows both sides to have their opinions.

Is that a mistake? Yes, because we know which side will take his ignorance and run wild, but that doesn’t mean you should decide he’s willingly playing into Tkkrs hand. Toxic fans are toxic assholes no matter which way you turn it, and them manipulating a new fan with zero context to the fandom and the members should not be put back on the person being manipulated.

A lot of y’all have absolutely zero room for understanding, yet wonder why people talk shit about the fandom. A lot of it is bullshit, but a lot of it is also exactly what you’re doing. Making up your mind about someone who just entered the fandom, because you don’t like that they haven’t already pieced together what’s going on and created a plan of action to stop it. That is unrealistic, and if he’s not online as much as we are, why would he think anything other than, “Fans are being assholes to me because they think I don’t like a member who is being mistreated by the company.”

Yes, drastic and crazy comments like the example you gave exist, but so do “sensible” ones that don’t come across that way. Comments telling him JK was irritated for most of the trips, but not with Tae, because he and Tae usually travel without cameras. People who are implying AYS isn’t as fun of a script, proven by how little action is happening, unlike when Tae showed up. Mind you, Frankie is shutting people down about the action, because he said he enjoys the laid back foodie vibe. So yeah, he’s stuck in the middle and thinks it’s a scripted adventure, but he’s also at the moment, not letting that ruin the experience for him.

Therefore, at the very least, he deserves a minute to figure shit out. If he doesn’t and keeps bickering, or if he does start to lean toward Tkkrs, then I’d understand feeling some type of way. But putting him in the line of fire along with the people who caused all of this, purely because they knew he was an easy target, is messed up.

And I’m not trying to go to the mat defending a man I don’t know, but your reaction is weird, if I’m being honest. This guy seems relatively civil all things considered, but it’s not good enough for you, because you want him to know which shippers to shut down without second guessing? Because you think only the toxic fans make dramatic comments? That’s straight up unfair, and I said you wouldn’t react the way you initially said, because you wouldn’t. No one would. Yes, block the obvious crazy shit, but outside of the commenters telling on themselves by sounding crazy… how would you know who is being honest and who isn’t? You wouldn’t without out taking time to research, and that’s all I’m saying to offer him. Or just don’t watch his stuff.